Know it all posts annoy me- esp. this one... c&p

Bride2b2004 · February 2012

I don't like it when people post know-it-all posts with long drawn out opinions coached as advice. The post on 0-3 really bothers me because after saying Sears isn't the be-all-end-all (who is?) it advocates Ferber... did I mention this is the 0-3 month board? Oh, and if you carry/hold/bw your baby, they won't learn their milestones like crawling...

https://community.thebump.com/cs/ks/forums/ShowThread.aspx?PostID=63217956#63226761

(sorry, having all kinds a problems making this clicky on my Mac)

LouiseB2001 · February 2012

OMG [facepalm]. Her baby is 10 months and she "would have had no sleep for years" if she hadn't done Ferber. Enough said.

GrayGhost13 · February 2012

Oh yeah, anytime someone from a one of the older month boards comes back to one of the younger month board or the tri board to preach advice unasked, I always get ready to do lots of eye rolling. This one certainly did not disappoint! Huh?

Bride2b2004 · February 2012

LouiseB2001:
OMG [facepalm]. Her baby is 10 months and she "would have had no sleep for years" if she hadn't done Ferber. Enough said.

And b/c they didn't follow it sooner, they had "months of agonizing over emotionally scarring our baby." Seriously? Like new moms aren't worried enough, now they will be emotionally scarring the baby if they try other sleep methods and don't immediately go to Ferber? I usually just ignore these posts, but this is just bad "advice" for a new mom IMO.

glasgow_girl · February 2012

Yeah, I'm a little over the "no sleep for years" thing. It will not last forever. There will be times it gets better.

My LO is going through another stretch of sleeping woes, but we've not turned to Ferber, because I know it will change.

lanie30 · February 2012

Meh I think it was just a venting post and lord knows there are enough know it alls around here. It was genuine and very not "know it all" IMO.

I laugh at anyone giving advice with a 10 month old though. That's precious.

But I think her overall point is absolutely true. I think the pressure put on women during the first year is outrageous. No one will die if someone has to cry for a few minutes. Your breasts will not shrivel up and drop off if you let your nipples heal and give the baby a bottle now and again. You really need to poop by yourself. Yes you do. You also should have a hot meal, a hot shower, a dinner out alone, and some time to read a book even in those first few months. You are not a better mother if you never put your baby down/never let him cry/never leave him alone for more than 8 minutes at a time. Those are your choices but they are not better choices.

THe patronizing "this will pass and you will miss these years" while a woman is fit to be tied, sobbing and exhausted is pathetic and very anti woman. It's nothing I ever want to raise my daughter to say/do. Put the baby down and go for a walk. Do what you need to do to survive. It is not black and white. There are no rules. Just do what works for you AND your baby. In that order.

lanie30 · February 2012

Also, for the 9 millionth time. Ferber is not a sleep approach. It is a sleep book. If you haven't read it, you look ignorant.

Marcilene1 · February 2012

Oh God. That post is so obnoxious. The Ferber part really annoyed me the most. Probably because everyone thinks that he is the only answer to their sleep problems. Annoying.

lanie30 · February 2012

chrismo1013:
Oh God. That post is so obnoxious. The Ferber part really annoyed me the most. Probably because everyone thinks that he is the only answer to their sleep problems. Annoying.

He probably is. For those who read the book precious little is about crying. I used an approach recently for Jo's nightmares. Great advice on sleep.

I love love love that no one on this forum reads one page of the book but has condemned the man (a pediatric sleep expert) as a jerk who hates babies and IGNORANT!

Please. Go read.

lanie30 · February 2012

Oh and Sears is NOT the be all and end all. THat's the truth. He's also patronizing. Ugh.

Marcilene1 · February 2012

lanie30:

chrismo1013:
Oh God. That post is so obnoxious. The Ferber part really annoyed me the most. Probably because everyone thinks that he is the only answer to their sleep problems. Annoying.

He probably is. For those who read the book precious little is about crying. I used an approach recently for Jo's nightmares. Great advice on sleep.

I love love love that no one on this forum reads one page of the book but has condemned the man (a pediatric sleep expert) as a jerk who hates babies and IGNORANT!

Please. Go read.

Have read it. And Weissbluth. And Pantley. And Sears. I don't think any of them are the be all and end all on sleep issues. I think it's good to read all you can (which is not easy to do when you are sleep deprived) and take bits and pieces from each as well as using your own common sense. I just get irritated when people think that Ferber is the sleep god. He is not.

lanie30 · February 2012

chrismo1013:
lanie30:

chrismo1013:
Oh God. That post is so obnoxious. The Ferber part really annoyed me the most. Probably because everyone thinks that he is the only answer to their sleep problems. Annoying.

He probably is. For those who read the book precious little is about crying. I used an approach recently for Jo's nightmares. Great advice on sleep.

I love love love that no one on this forum reads one page of the book but has condemned the man (a pediatric sleep expert) as a jerk who hates babies and IGNORANT!

Please. Go read.

Have read it. And Weissbluth. And Pantley. And Sears. I don't think any of them are the be all and end all on sleep issues. I think it's good to read all you can (which is not easy to do when you are sleep deprived) and take bits and pieces from each as well as using your own common sense. I just get irritated when people think that Ferber is the sleep god. He is not.

But for me, he was and pantley was a joke. So... sharing my opinion would be similar to what this woman did. Yes?

Bride2b2004 · February 2012

chrismo1013:
lanie30:

chrismo1013:
Oh God. That post is so obnoxious. The Ferber part really annoyed me the most. Probably because everyone thinks that he is the only answer to their sleep problems. Annoying.

He probably is. For those who read the book precious little is about crying. I used an approach recently for Jo's nightmares. Great advice on sleep.

I love love love that no one on this forum reads one page of the book but has condemned the man (a pediatric sleep expert) as a jerk who hates babies and IGNORANT!

Please. Go read.

Have read it. And Weissbluth. And Pantley. And Sears. I don't think any of them are the be all and end all on sleep issues. I think it's good to read all you can (which is not easy to do when you are sleep deprived) and take bits and pieces from each as well as using your own common sense. I just get irritated when people think that Ferber is the sleep god. He is not.

This. I take a little from each. And regardless of the sleep method, Ferber on 0-3 month board? Give me a break.

lanie30 · February 2012

Bride2b2004:
chrismo1013:
lanie30:

chrismo1013:
Oh God. That post is so obnoxious. The Ferber part really annoyed me the most. Probably because everyone thinks that he is the only answer to their sleep problems. Annoying.

He probably is. For those who read the book precious little is about crying. I used an approach recently for Jo's nightmares. Great advice on sleep.

I love love love that no one on this forum reads one page of the book but has condemned the man (a pediatric sleep expert) as a jerk who hates babies and IGNORANT!

Please. Go read.

Have read it. And Weissbluth. And Pantley. And Sears. I don't think any of them are the be all and end all on sleep issues. I think it's good to read all you can (which is not easy to do when you are sleep deprived) and take bits and pieces from each as well as using your own common sense. I just get irritated when people think that Ferber is the sleep god. He is not.

This. I take a little from each. And regardless of the sleep method, Ferber on 0-3 month board? Give me a break.

I think she's giving them an FYI for the future. But he does have good advice for those first few months. Read his works have you? LOL.

Marcilene1 · February 2012

lanie30:
chrismo1013:
lanie30:

chrismo1013:
Oh God. That post is so obnoxious. The Ferber part really annoyed me the most. Probably because everyone thinks that he is the only answer to their sleep problems. Annoying.

He probably is. For those who read the book precious little is about crying. I used an approach recently for Jo's nightmares. Great advice on sleep.

I love love love that no one on this forum reads one page of the book but has condemned the man (a pediatric sleep expert) as a jerk who hates babies and IGNORANT!

Please. Go read.

Have read it. And Weissbluth. And Pantley. And Sears. I don't think any of them are the be all and end all on sleep issues. I think it's good to read all you can (which is not easy to do when you are sleep deprived) and take bits and pieces from each as well as using your own common sense. I just get irritated when people think that Ferber is the sleep god. He is not.

But for me, he was and pantley was a joke. So... sharing my opinion would be similar to what this woman did. Yes?

I don't really care about people giving their opinion or sharing what worked for them and what was helpful to them. I just think that anyone who says, "This is the way to do it, and the only way to do it," is really annoying. Every child is different and different things work for different people. For example, I don't think that any of the above mentioned "methods" would have worked for my LO. I'm glad I read a lot and got a lot of information, but, really, the only expert on my baby and the way she sleeps is me. Just my two cents.

lanie30 · February 2012

chrismo1013:
lanie30:
chrismo1013:
lanie30:

chrismo1013:
Oh God. That post is so obnoxious. The Ferber part really annoyed me the most. Probably because everyone thinks that he is the only answer to their sleep problems. Annoying.

He probably is. For those who read the book precious little is about crying. I used an approach recently for Jo's nightmares. Great advice on sleep.

I love love love that no one on this forum reads one page of the book but has condemned the man (a pediatric sleep expert) as a jerk who hates babies and IGNORANT!

Please. Go read.

Have read it. And Weissbluth. And Pantley. And Sears. I don't think any of them are the be all and end all on sleep issues. I think it's good to read all you can (which is not easy to do when you are sleep deprived) and take bits and pieces from each as well as using your own common sense. I just get irritated when people think that Ferber is the sleep god. He is not.

But for me, he was and pantley was a joke. So... sharing my opinion would be similar to what this woman did. Yes?

I don't really care about people giving their opinion or sharing what worked for them and what was helpful to them. I just think that anyone who says, "This is the way to do it, and the only way to do it," is really annoying. Every child is different and different things work for different people. For example, I don't think that any of the above mentioned "methods" would have worked for my LO. I'm glad I read a lot and got a lot of information, but, really, the only expert on my baby and the way she sleeps is me. Just my two cents.

I think its how you're reading it because I certainly didn't get that from her post at all. Also if you post around here you'll know the irony of a "god I hate know it alls" post.

Hysterical.

pepomntpat · February 2012

Bride2b2004:
LouiseB2001:
OMG [facepalm]. Her baby is 10 months and she "would have had no sleep for years" if she hadn't done Ferber. Enough said.
And b/c they didn't follow it sooner, they had "months of agonizing over emotionally scarring our baby." Seriously? Like new moms aren't worried enough, now they will be emotionally scarring the baby if they try other sleep methods and don't immediately go to Ferber? I usually just ignore these posts, but this is just bad "advice" for a new mom IMO.

That is not exactly what she said. She wished she had tried to do Ferber instead of agonizing over how Ferber would emotionally scar her baby.

I think her post is maybe a little AWish, but certainly not side eye worthy. I agree with most of it.

And while Ferber may not be a sleep god, he certainly is the only sleep expert I trust. I refer to his book often when weird things come up. It is not just about how to get your baby to sleep all night. In fact, that is a very small portion of the book. But, whatever.

Dreamsicle23 · February 2012

Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't there quite a few posters on this board that did, in fact, deal with night wakings or other sleep issues for years (yes...uears, plural)? If that's your thing then that's totally fine, but the possibility of having a kid who doesn't STTN for years is entirely real, and I'm sure it's far more common among those who choose not to sleep train.

Marcilene1 · February 2012

lanie30:
chrismo1013:
lanie30:
chrismo1013:
lanie30:

chrismo1013:
Oh God. That post is so obnoxious. The Ferber part really annoyed me the most. Probably because everyone thinks that he is the only answer to their sleep problems. Annoying.

He probably is. For those who read the book precious little is about crying. I used an approach recently for Jo's nightmares. Great advice on sleep.

I love love love that no one on this forum reads one page of the book but has condemned the man (a pediatric sleep expert) as a jerk who hates babies and IGNORANT!

Please. Go read.

Have read it. And Weissbluth. And Pantley. And Sears. I don't think any of them are the be all and end all on sleep issues. I think it's good to read all you can (which is not easy to do when you are sleep deprived) and take bits and pieces from each as well as using your own common sense. I just get irritated when people think that Ferber is the sleep god. He is not.

But for me, he was and pantley was a joke. So... sharing my opinion would be similar to what this woman did. Yes?

I don't really care about people giving their opinion or sharing what worked for them and what was helpful to them. I just think that anyone who says, "This is the way to do it, and the only way to do it," is really annoying. Every child is different and different things work for different people. For example, I don't think that any of the above mentioned "methods" would have worked for my LO. I'm glad I read a lot and got a lot of information, but, really, the only expert on my baby and the way she sleeps is me. Just my two cents.

I think its how you're reading it because I certainly didn't get that from her post at all. Also if you post around here you'll know the irony of a "god I hate know it alls" post.

Hysterical.

Actually I think you're right here. Just went back and read the post. I don't think she was really saying that Ferber was the sleep god. She was just saying that Sears wasn't. The post as a whole does rub me the wrong way though. Maybe that's just because everything is rubbing me the wrong way lately though lol.

LouiseB2001 · February 2012

pepomntpat:
Bride2b2004:
LouiseB2001:
OMG [facepalm]. Her baby is 10 months and she "would have had no sleep for years" if she hadn't done Ferber. Enough said.
And b/c they didn't follow it sooner, they had "months of agonizing over emotionally scarring our baby." Seriously? Like new moms aren't worried enough, now they will be emotionally scarring the baby if they try other sleep methods and don't immediately go to Ferber? I usually just ignore these posts, but this is just bad "advice" for a new mom IMO.

That is not exactly what she said. She wished she had tried to do Ferber instead of agonizing over how Ferber would emotionally scar her baby.
I think her post is maybe a little AWish, but certainly not side eye worthy. I agree with most of it.
And while Ferber may not be a sleep god, he certainly is the only sleep expert I trust. I refer to his book often when weird things come up. It is not just about how to get your baby to sleep all night. In fact, that is a very small portion of the book. But, whatever.

I read Ferber (thanks to a recommendation on this board, there you go lanie30 :-) and it was great. I also read all the other books and together with the sleep lady, Ferber (2nd ed) was the most useful one. I'm glad that the poster's baby is now sleeping well but saying that anything else would have meant years of bad sleep and her DH in another room is just ridiculous (since her baby is 10 months). Especially as advice for new moms. Like pp here, parents take a bit from here and there and you do what you feel is right for your baby.

Bride2b2004 · February 2012

lanie30:

I think she's giving them an FYI for the future. But he does have good advice for those first few months. Read his works have you? LOL.

Not sure why I saw this since I have had the pleasure of having your posts blocked for months Smile

Must be a Bump burp... Interesting to see you are still policing this board, making sure nobody is TOO AP on the AP Board.

But yeah, fascinating point, those first few months are really the focus of his method...

Harper'smom · February 2012

I think its how you're reading it because I certainly didn't get that from her post at all. Also if you post around here you'll know the irony of a "god I hate know it alls" post.

Hysterical.

The irony of the irony you point out above Lanie is what is hysterical. Being the resident know it all who calls out all of the other know it alls is your deal in these parts.

tokenhoser · February 2012

lanie30:
Oh and Sears is NOT the be all and end all. THat's the truth. He's also patronizing. Ugh.

I found his advice on sleep amounted to "suck it up, mom".

Which didn't help. I much prefer Ferber, who actually tells you to follow your instincts and feel free to adapt his advice to your parenting style. He includes advice on sleep improvement while cosleeping in his last revision of his book.

Far more useful than "Take a walk in the sunshine!". If I could punch Dr. Sears in the nuts, I would have by now.

lanie30 · February 2012

Harper'smom:

I think its how you're reading it because I certainly didn't get that from her post at all. Also if you post around here you'll know the irony of a "god I hate know it alls" post.

Hysterical.

The irony of the irony you point out above Lanie is what is hysterical. Being the resident know it all who calls out all of the other know it alls is your deal in these parts.

I do so enjoy my role.

lanie30 · February 2012

But yeah, fascinating point, those first few months are really the focus of his method...

Another brilliant mind!

webMistress0609 · February 2012

lanie30:

I love love love that no one on this forum reads one page of the book but has condemned the man (a pediatric sleep expert) as a jerk who hates babies and IGNORANT!

This is total BS Lanie. If there's a night weaning post on here you'll probably find a reply from me rec'ing Ferber & saying it was more gentle & involved much less crying then any of the "AP" methods. I also mention the book when ppl ask nightmare/night terror or scheduling questions. I've stated eleventy billion times on this board that a lot of the information in his book helped us correct & deal with Ari's sleep issues with no tears at all.

This has again turned into a "you guys are all a$$holes for bashing Ferber" & the OP was very clear to point out that this post was on the 0-3 board. No one should be doing Ferber on the 0-3 board. The OP also pointed out that the poster in question stated holding or wearing your baby will prevent it from hitting milestones like crawling. That is a bunch of ridiculous BS if I ever heard it.

kcisthebombdotcom · February 2012

Dreamsicle23:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't there quite a few posters on this board that did, in fact, deal with night wakings or other sleep issues for years (yes...uears, plural)? If that's your thing then that's totally fine, but the possibility of having a kid who doesn't STTN for years is entirely real, and I'm sure it's far more common among those who choose not to sleep train.

A friend of mine did Ferber with both her kids at 8 months old. They slept great afterwards...for a while. Now she has 2 toddlers that sleep like crap and has been dealing with sleep issues in fact for years.

Using Ferber doesn't mean your kid STTN for the rest of his/her life. Not sleep training doesn't mean your kid will never be able to STTN on their own.

I don't think you need to force night weaning at 4 months old to get your kid to sleep.

lanie30 · February 2012

webMistress0609:
lanie30:

I love love love that no one on this forum reads one page of the book but has condemned the man (a pediatric sleep expert) as a jerk who hates babies and IGNORANT!

This is total BS Lanie. If there's a night weaning post on here you'll probably find a reply from me rec'ing Ferber & saying it was more gentle & involved much less crying then any of the "AP" methods. I also mention the book when ppl ask nightmare/night terror or scheduling questions. I've stated eleventy billion times on this board that a lot of the information in his book helped us correct & deal with Ari's sleep issues with no tears at all.

This has again turned into a "you guys are all a$$holes for bashing Ferber" & the OP was very clear to point out that this post was on the 0-3 board. No one should be doing Ferber on the 0-3 board. The OP also pointed out that the poster in question stated holding or wearing your baby will prevent it from hitting milestones like crawling. That is a bunch of ridiculous BS if I ever heard it.

We're clearly reading different things. She's giving generic advice. Not saying "by 3 months you should all have done ferber." Its more a "Hey these guys are back where I wish someone had told me about this stuff."

I get that this board is very high strung but this is a HUGE stretch.

lanie30 · February 2012

EllaHella:

lanie30:
Oh and Sears is NOT the be all and end all. THat's the truth. He's also patronizing. Ugh.

I agree on Sears. He is very patronizing. I struggled over whether I could even be AP-lite and not like Sears. There is just something about him. Something I can't put into words.

Luckily Pantely worked for my child and I didn't have to try another method.

Do you watch Caillou with your kid? Do you get a weird feeling about Mr. Hinkle? I have that feeling about Dr. Sears.

chary412 · February 2012

Hi all, I'm the OP from the linked thread, with all the unpopular opinions. I still hang out on this forum even though I no longer consider myself "AP", cause I like keeping up on the latest wraps/carriers and BLW threads.

I don't know how to write this in a way that doesn't sound defensive or petulant, but for whatever it's worth, I don't think I actually told anyone in that thread that they should CIO with a newborn or never hold their baby.

Every baby really is different, and I whole-heartedly understand and believe that what works for one baby won't necessarily be the right approach with another baby. That said, I do wish that I'd at least seen some advice like what I posted on 0-3 when I was at the stage they're at now, so that I'd have known more about the different choices that were coming up. I read a lot of "you can never hold your baby too much!" posts like the ones above when I was just starting out, and I believed them. Now I look back and realize that I never really gave LO the opportunity to crawl, or even roll, because I was holding her all the time. *shrug* She's catching up fine now, I just wish I'd realized how important independent floor time was. I wouldn't have stopped holding her, I just would have incorporated more floor time into the day and encouraged her to do more moving on her own.

Anyhow. Sorry for rubbing some of you the wrong way.

kcisthebombdotcom · February 2012

lanie30:

chrismo1013:
Oh God. That post is so obnoxious. The Ferber part really annoyed me the most. Probably because everyone thinks that he is the only answer to their sleep problems. Annoying.

He probably is. For those who read the book precious little is about crying. I used an approach recently for Jo's nightmares. Great advice on sleep.

I love love love that no one on this forum reads one page of the book but has condemned the man (a pediatric sleep expert) as a jerk who hates babies and IGNORANT!

Please. Go read.

When you're so against what someone fundamentally stands for it's kind of hard to look past that.I know that he stands for more than just his method of CIO, but the "ferber method" is his claim to fame for sure.

It kind of reminds me of a post from another board yesterday that was complimentary of hilter's intelligence. Everyone else went on about how he was a monster and they couldnt compliment anything about him because he was a monster and they were so against him. Now I'm not trying to draw comparisons from hitler to ferber, but if you're someone in your heart that believes that it's best for babies to not be left to CIO it's hard to think to pick up his book to take any other advice the man gives (albeit beneficial) seriously.

I read weissbluth's book. Early on, there was a scenario he described of a couple he helped that had a young infant he recommended extinction method CIO to. I was so appalled after that I had a difficult time getting through the rest of the book.

people are biased creatures. It's hard not to be.

Harper'smom · February 2012

KC_13:
lanie30:

chrismo1013:
Oh God. That post is so obnoxious. The Ferber part really annoyed me the most. Probably because everyone thinks that he is the only answer to their sleep problems. Annoying.

He probably is. For those who read the book precious little is about crying. I used an approach recently for Jo's nightmares. Great advice on sleep.

I love love love that no one on this forum reads one page of the book but has condemned the man (a pediatric sleep expert) as a jerk who hates babies and IGNORANT!

Please. Go read.

When you're so against what someone fundamentally stands for it's kind of hard to look past that.I know that he stands for more than just his method of CIO, but the "ferber method" is his claim to fame for sure.

It kind of reminds me of a post from another board yesterday that was complimentary of hilter's intelligence. Everyone else went on about how he was a monster and they couldnt compliment anything about him because he was a monster and they were so against him. Now I'm not trying to draw comparisons from hitler to ferber, but if you're someone in your heart that believes that it's best for babies to not be left to CIO it's hard to think to pick up his book to take any other advice the man gives (albeit beneficial) seriously.

I read weissbluth's book. Early on, there was a scenario he described of a couple he helped that had a young infant he recommended extinction method CIO to. I was so appalled after that I had a difficult time getting through the rest of the book.

people are biased creatures. It's hard not to be.

I get what you are saying but you are kind of reinforcing Lanie's point here. I read Ferber before I read Sears *gasp* and I have a middle of the road opinion on both. The first sleep book I read was No Cry Nap Solution and that was, for us, a bunch of crap. Then I read Ferber. While I am strongly opposed to CIO and have no problem saying I think it is disgusting for infants I did find the information on sleep cycles, estimated amount of sleep by age, and some other information to be very informative. It actually helped me realize that although my kid was a crappy napper she was on the low end of normal for a total 24 hour period for her age. This allowed me to realign my expectations of how much she should be napping. It was frustrating as a new mom to here so and so talk about how their baby took 2-4 hour naps in the crib and getting DD to sleep 45 minutes was a struggle.

I realized I didn't really need to do anything except decide what worked best for us to get her to sleep for her naps. For us that was rocking or nursing and holding for the nap. She slept great through the night and went down easily and it worked for us and I don't regret doing it. I still nap with her on the weekends if she naps but we don't consider this a "problem".

I've gone back to the book since for head knocking and recently night terrors.

I don't think one has to be pro cry it out to get something out of Ferber. It is wrong to assume that there is no value in the book because of the Ferber method and it is equally wrong to assume that because one is staunchly against CIO that they can't comprehend the rest of the book or have not read it.

lanie30 · February 2012

KC_13:
lanie30:

chrismo1013:
Oh God. That post is so obnoxious. The Ferber part really annoyed me the most. Probably because everyone thinks that he is the only answer to their sleep problems. Annoying.

He probably is. For those who read the book precious little is about crying. I used an approach recently for Jo's nightmares. Great advice on sleep.

I love love love that no one on this forum reads one page of the book but has condemned the man (a pediatric sleep expert) as a jerk who hates babies and IGNORANT!

Please. Go read.

When you're so against what someone fundamentally stands for it's kind of hard to look past that.I know that he stands for more than just his method of CIO, but the "ferber method" is his claim to fame for sure.

It kind of reminds me of a post from another board yesterday that was complimentary of hilter's intelligence. Everyone else went on about how he was a monster and they couldnt compliment anything about him because he was a monster and they were so against him. Now I'm not trying to draw comparisons from hitler to ferber, but if you're someone in your heart that believes that it's best for babies to not be left to CIO it's hard to think to pick up his book to take any other advice the man gives (albeit beneficial) seriously.

I read weissbluth's book. Early on, there was a scenario he described of a couple he helped that had a young infant he recommended extinction method CIO to. I was so appalled after that I had a difficult time getting through the rest of the book.

people are biased creatures. It's hard not to be.

you did just compare hitler to Ferber. His crying method is not his claim to

Fame. It is 3 pages out of thousands he has written. He has stated how upset he becomes when people associate him with these 3 pages and not his good work. It's no mien kempf. Which btw was no journal about puppies with only 2 pages of hate. But you do prove my point as beautifully as you do

Ignorantly. Hitler was evil. He was hate. Ferber wrote a helpful book about sleep that has been beneficial right through to age 4. You honestly chose hitler as a comparative?

kcisthebombdotcom · February 2012

lanie30:
KC_13:
lanie30:

chrismo1013:
Oh God. That post is so obnoxious. The Ferber part really annoyed me the most. Probably because everyone thinks that he is the only answer to their sleep problems. Annoying.

He probably is. For those who read the book precious little is about crying. I used an approach recently for Jo's nightmares. Great advice on sleep.

I love love love that no one on this forum reads one page of the book but has condemned the man (a pediatric sleep expert) as a jerk who hates babies and IGNORANT!

Please. Go read.

When you're so against what someone fundamentally stands for it's kind of hard to look past that.I know that he stands for more than just his method of CIO, but the "ferber method" is his claim to fame for sure.

It kind of reminds me of a post from another board yesterday that was complimentary of hilter's intelligence. Everyone else went on about how he was a monster and they couldnt compliment anything about him because he was a monster and they were so against him. Now I'm not trying to draw comparisons from hitler to ferber, but if you're someone in your heart that believes that it's best for babies to not be left to CIO it's hard to think to pick up his book to take any other advice the man gives (albeit beneficial) seriously.

I read weissbluth's book. Early on, there was a scenario he described of a couple he helped that had a young infant he recommended extinction method CIO to. I was so appalled after that I had a difficult time getting through the rest of the book.

people are biased creatures. It's hard not to be.

you did just compare hitler to Ferber. His crying method is not his claim to
Fame. It is 3 pages out of thousands he has written. He has stated how upset he becomes when people associate him with these 3 pages and not his good work. It's no mien kempf. Which btw was no journal about puppies with only 2 pages of hate. But you do prove my point as beautifully as you do

Ignorantly. Hitler was evil. He was hate. Ferber wrote a helpful book about sleep that has been beneficial right through to age 4. You honestly chose hitler as a comparative?

Wow, that went way over your head.

I compared Ferber to a CONVERSATION yesterday that happened to be about Hilter. The point was it is difficult for people to be able to open their mind to anything positive in something they fundamentally disagree with. I'm not saying it's right or wrong. Just that I get why people bash Ferber with little knowledge of everything hes about.

I don't personally have a problem with CIO unless it is used improperly. I don't think he's the devil or anything. I just get why people are adamently opposed to him. It might have only been three pages of work, but those 3 pages rubbed many the wrong way. The "ferber method" is fiercely popular and deeply loved/hated. It IS his claim to fame.

lanie30 · February 2012

KC_13:
lanie30:
KC_13:
lanie30:

chrismo1013:
Oh God. That post is so obnoxious. The Ferber part really annoyed me the most. Probably because everyone thinks that he is the only answer to their sleep problems. Annoying.

He probably is. For those who read the book precious little is about crying. I used an approach recently for Jo's nightmares. Great advice on sleep.

I love love love that no one on this forum reads one page of the book but has condemned the man (a pediatric sleep expert) as a jerk who hates babies and IGNORANT!

Please. Go read.

When you're so against what someone fundamentally stands for it's kind of hard to look past that.I know that he stands for more than just his method of CIO, but the "ferber method" is his claim to fame for sure.

It kind of reminds me of a post from another board yesterday that was complimentary of hilter's intelligence. Everyone else went on about how he was a monster and they couldnt compliment anything about him because he was a monster and they were so against him. Now I'm not trying to draw comparisons from hitler to ferber, but if you're someone in your heart that believes that it's best for babies to not be left to CIO it's hard to think to pick up his book to take any other advice the man gives (albeit beneficial) seriously.

I read weissbluth's book. Early on, there was a scenario he described of a couple he helped that had a young infant he recommended extinction method CIO to. I was so appalled after that I had a difficult time getting through the rest of the book.

people are biased creatures. It's hard not to be.

you did just compare hitler to Ferber. His crying method is not his claim to
Fame. It is 3 pages out of thousands he has written. He has stated how upset he becomes when people associate him with these 3 pages and not his good work. It's no mien kempf. Which btw was no journal about puppies with only 2 pages of hate. But you do prove my point as beautifully as you do

Ignorantly. Hitler was evil. He was hate. Ferber wrote a helpful book about sleep that has been beneficial right through to age 4. You honestly chose hitler as a comparative?

Wow, that went way over your head.

I compared Ferber to a CONVERSATION yesterday that happened to be about Hilter. The point was it is difficult for people to be able to open their mind to anything positive in something they fundamentally disagree with. I'm not saying it's right or wrong. Just that I get why people bash Ferber with little knowledge of everything hes about.

I don't personally have a problem with CIO unless it is used improperly. I don't think he's the devil or anything. I just get why people are adamently opposed to him. It might have only been three pages of work, but those 3 pages rubbed many the wrong way. The "ferber method" is fiercely popular and deeply loved/hated. It IS his claim to fame.

ohhhh, sure just a comparison to hitler related conversation. My bad. However did I misunderstand such an articulate informed and intelligent comment? You can be adamantly opposed to three pages of his book, but not "him" or his expertise and writings entirely. That would simply be dumb. I can however be adamantly opposed to pure evil, like, hitler. See the difference?

tokenhoser · February 2012

lanie30 · February 2012

tokenhoser:

This may be my favourite graph ever. Hysterical and yes. Yes.

jsugrin · February 2012

KC_13:
lanie30:

chrismo1013:
Oh God. That post is so obnoxious. The Ferber part really annoyed me the most. Probably because everyone thinks that he is the only answer to their sleep problems. Annoying.

He probably is. For those who read the book precious little is about crying. I used an approach recently for Jo's nightmares. Great advice on sleep.

I love love love that no one on this forum reads one page of the book but has condemned the man (a pediatric sleep expert) as a jerk who hates babies and IGNORANT!

Please. Go read.

When you're so against what someone fundamentally stands for it's kind of hard to look past that.I know that he stands for more than just his method of CIO, but the "ferber method" is his claim to fame for sure.

It kind of reminds me of a post from another board yesterday that was complimentary of hilter's intelligence. Everyone else went on about how he was a monster and they couldnt compliment anything about him because he was a monster and they were so against him. Now I'm not trying to draw comparisons from hitler to ferber, but if you're someone in your heart that believes that it's best for babies to not be left to CIO it's hard to think to pick up his book to take any other advice the man gives (albeit beneficial) seriously.

I read weissbluth's book. Early on, there was a scenario he described of a couple he helped that had a young infant he recommended extinction method CIO to. I was so appalled after that I had a difficult time getting through the rest of the book.

people are biased creatures. It's hard not to be.

I think your being "so fundamentally against" him is clouding your judgment. In fact Dr. Ferber himself has repeatedly stated that he hates that his name has become a catch phrase for CIO, that he never intended for their to be so much focus on the crying part of sleep training and that his book was intended to be a comprehensive look into the biology of sleep to help parents understand the root of their childs issues and offer guidance to solve them.

kcisthebombdotcom · February 2012

fredalina:
The irony is that the woman who brought Hitler into the conversation was attempting to make the point that no one can ever continue a discussion once Hitler is brought into the conversation.

LOL right????

kcisthebombdotcom · February 2012

lanie30:
KC_13:
lanie30:
KC_13:
lanie30:

chrismo1013:
Oh God. That post is so obnoxious. The Ferber part really annoyed me the most. Probably because everyone thinks that he is the only answer to their sleep problems. Annoying.

He probably is. For those who read the book precious little is about crying. I used an approach recently for Jo's nightmares. Great advice on sleep.

I love love love that no one on this forum reads one page of the book but has condemned the man (a pediatric sleep expert) as a jerk who hates babies and IGNORANT!

Please. Go read.

When you're so against what someone fundamentally stands for it's kind of hard to look past that.I know that he stands for more than just his method of CIO, but the "ferber method" is his claim to fame for sure.

It kind of reminds me of a post from another board yesterday that was complimentary of hilter's intelligence. Everyone else went on about how he was a monster and they couldnt compliment anything about him because he was a monster and they were so against him. Now I'm not trying to draw comparisons from hitler to ferber, but if you're someone in your heart that believes that it's best for babies to not be left to CIO it's hard to think to pick up his book to take any other advice the man gives (albeit beneficial) seriously.

I read weissbluth's book. Early on, there was a scenario he described of a couple he helped that had a young infant he recommended extinction method CIO to. I was so appalled after that I had a difficult time getting through the rest of the book.

people are biased creatures. It's hard not to be.

you did just compare hitler to Ferber. His crying method is not his claim to
Fame. It is 3 pages out of thousands he has written. He has stated how upset he becomes when people associate him with these 3 pages and not his good work. It's no mien kempf. Which btw was no journal about puppies with only 2 pages of hate. But you do prove my point as beautifully as you do

Ignorantly. Hitler was evil. He was hate. Ferber wrote a helpful book about sleep that has been beneficial right through to age 4. You honestly chose hitler as a comparative?

Wow, that went way over your head.

I compared Ferber to a CONVERSATION yesterday that happened to be about Hilter. The point was it is difficult for people to be able to open their mind to anything positive in something they fundamentally disagree with. I'm not saying it's right or wrong. Just that I get why people bash Ferber with little knowledge of everything hes about.

I don't personally have a problem with CIO unless it is used improperly. I don't think he's the devil or anything. I just get why people are adamently opposed to him. It might have only been three pages of work, but those 3 pages rubbed many the wrong way. The "ferber method" is fiercely popular and deeply loved/hated. It IS his claim to fame.

ohhhh, sure just a comparison to hitler related conversation. My bad. However did I misunderstand such an articulate informed and intelligent comment? You can be adamantly opposed to three pages of his book, but not "him" or his expertise and writings entirely. That would simply be dumb. I can however be adamantly opposed to pure evil, like, hitler. See the difference?

Let's try this again. Say scott peterson writes a book. 3 pages are about killing his pregnant wife. The other 250 are amazing advice on parenting. Hard to want to read his book and take his advice seriously, no?

I KNOW CIO isn't as bad as killing someone (nor do I think its bad, unless its mentioned under 4 months). That's not the point. Are you getting it yet though?

kcisthebombdotcom · February 2012

fredalina:
KC_13:
lanie30:
KC_13:
lanie30:
KC_13:
lanie30:

chrismo1013:
Oh God. That post is so obnoxious. The Ferber part really annoyed me the most. Probably because everyone thinks that he is the only answer to their sleep problems. Annoying.

He probably is. For those who read the book precious little is about crying. I used an approach recently for Jo's nightmares. Great advice on sleep.

I love love love that no one on this forum reads one page of the book but has condemned the man (a pediatric sleep expert) as a jerk who hates babies and IGNORANT!

Please. Go read.

When you're so against what someone fundamentally stands for it's kind of hard to look past that.I know that he stands for more than just his method of CIO, but the "ferber method" is his claim to fame for sure.

It kind of reminds me of a post from another board yesterday that was complimentary of hilter's intelligence. Everyone else went on about how he was a monster and they couldnt compliment anything about him because he was a monster and they were so against him. Now I'm not trying to draw comparisons from hitler to ferber, but if you're someone in your heart that believes that it's best for babies to not be left to CIO it's hard to think to pick up his book to take any other advice the man gives (albeit beneficial) seriously.

I read weissbluth's book. Early on, there was a scenario he described of a couple he helped that had a young infant he recommended extinction method CIO to. I was so appalled after that I had a difficult time getting through the rest of the book.

people are biased creatures. It's hard not to be.

you did just compare hitler to Ferber. His crying method is not his claim to
Fame. It is 3 pages out of thousands he has written. He has stated how upset he becomes when people associate him with these 3 pages and not his good work. It's no mien kempf. Which btw was no journal about puppies with only 2 pages of hate. But you do prove my point as beautifully as you do

Ignorantly. Hitler was evil. He was hate. Ferber wrote a helpful book about sleep that has been beneficial right through to age 4. You honestly chose hitler as a comparative?

Wow, that went way over your head.

I compared Ferber to a CONVERSATION yesterday that happened to be about Hilter. The point was it is difficult for people to be able to open their mind to anything positive in something they fundamentally disagree with. I'm not saying it's right or wrong. Just that I get why people bash Ferber with little knowledge of everything hes about.

I don't personally have a problem with CIO unless it is used improperly. I don't think he's the devil or anything. I just get why people are adamently opposed to him. It might have only been three pages of work, but those 3 pages rubbed many the wrong way. The "ferber method" is fiercely popular and deeply loved/hated. It IS his claim to fame.

ohhhh, sure just a comparison to hitler related conversation. My bad. However did I misunderstand such an articulate informed and intelligent comment? You can be adamantly opposed to three pages of his book, but not "him" or his expertise and writings entirely. That would simply be dumb. I can however be adamantly opposed to pure evil, like, hitler. See the difference?

Let's try this again. Say scott peterson writes a book. 3 pages are about killing his pregnant wife. The other 250 are amazing advice on parenting. Hard to want to read his book and take his advice seriously, no?

I KNOW CIO isn't as bad as killing someone (nor do I think its bad, unless its mentioned under 4 months). That's not the point. Are you getting it yet though?

Good lord, woman! Just STOP! Ferber's book is not evil, for chriissake! I am not a fan of any CIO before age 1 and am adamantly opposed before 4 months (and 6 preferably), but the book and the doctor are not evil so just stop making ridiculous comparisons!

I never said ferber's book was evil! My point is if someone has a deep rooted belief against something (in Ferber's case, CIO as many think that it is harmful to babies), it is difficult to take anything else the person says seriously, as well informed and as well meaning as that advice may be. It's difficult to open your mind to someone when what they believe is against your own beliefs.

I give up. Clearly my point has been completely missed and twisted into something else that I'm not saying AT ALL.

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