WTF! No tubal ligations?? (rant)

acaudill75 · January 2012

I just found out from my OB that a tubal is out after DD#2 is born because the hospital I am delivering at is run by a Catholic organization and they don't allow the procedure? Are you kidding me? So if I want one, I have to heal up after the c section, and then go somewhere else and get one! And it isn't like the name of the hospital is Holy Cross or Sisters of Mercy, so I had no idea, and my OB doesn't have privileges anywhere else. I get that they have these opinions and all, and it isn't like I am having a termination there (which I also don't think is their business, but whatever). Really drives home how far reaching other people's opinions can be. Now DH is going to have to have a vasectomy (which I wanted us both fixed so there were no oops pregnancy), and he is getting all huffy because he might have a stitch or two on his scrotum. Not how I saw things working out. I really don't want to go on birth control (any form) afterwards, so this was me trying to be responsible, and nope, sorry, we are going to tell you what we think is the right thing to do with your life. I told DH if he didn't go get the vasectomy, he was going to wake up with my stitching him up with a thread and needle.

kiarstin · January 2012

my hospital is the same way and I am with you, I think hospitals shouldn't be allowed to dictate those sorts of things, mine won't do a circumcision either.

tartaruga · January 2012

I will never understand religiously-affiliated hospitals. I think situations like this are completely ridiculous. Sorry you are dealing with this.

llc730 · January 2012

Sorry your hospital is making things more complicated. You really should be okay birth control wise with DH getting the vasectomy. I would tell him to put his big boy pants on and stop whinning. First of all, you are giving birth to his kid (again). Second of all, it is really a very minor procedure (MUCH smaller than a tubal). My BIL just had one after his wife found out she was pregnant with my neice (big OOPS). He didn't even need anything more than ibuprofen/tylenol for pain. He took a day off work, but even he admitted that if he HAD to go to work that day for some reason he would have made it through.

aruiz1982 · January 2012

Maybe you could have done some research before choosing a doctor/hospital? Hospital have every right to say what they will or will not do and if you don't like it, go elsewhere.

hey_little_bird · January 2012

kiarstin:
my hospital is the same way and I am with you, I think hospitals shouldn't be allowed to dictate those sorts of things, mine won't do a circumcision either.

what kind of hospital doesn't do circumcisions?

and, OP, tell hubby to suck it up. a vasectomy is an in-office procedure with minimal recovery time. i'm pretty sure it costs a lot less than a tubal, too!

acaudill75 · January 2012

aruiz1982:
Maybe you could have done some research before choosing a doctor/hospital? Hospital have every right to say what they will or will not do and if you don't like it, go elsewhere.

When I chose my OB, I wasn't shopping for a tubal. It didn't even occur to me. She was my gynocologist first, and then my OB. And as this is my second child, and I am past 28 weeks, its too late to "go elsewhere." How about, keep your religious views out of my uterus?? I did my duty by my husband, my country and my faith (dripping with sarcasm), and I am done. My OB would do it in a heartbeat, and I am very comfortable with her. And, sometimes, hospitals get bought out, and policies change, and you are stuck with what you have, and you can't deliver elsewhere without a major upheaval. Doctors can't just deliver wherever YOU decide you want to deliver. It doesn't work that way.

acaudill75 · January 2012

kiarstin:
my hospital is the same way and I am with you, I think hospitals shouldn't be allowed to dictate those sorts of things, mine won't do a circumcision either.

That's crazy!! Who owns that hospital? I thought the medical community kind of pushed that on parents.

tartaruga · January 2012

aruiz1982:
Maybe you could have done some research before choosing a doctor/hospital? Hospital have every right to say what they will or will not do and if you don't like it, go elsewhere.

LOL I don't know what country you live in, but here in the US it's not that easy at ALL to just "go elsewhere."

Shawnee11507 · January 2012

acaudill75:
How about, keep your religious views out of my uterus??

Amen. And tell DH to suck it up. You are having a freaking c-section (maybe your 2nd?)- he can deal with a couple stitches!

acaudill75 · January 2012

Shawnee11507:

acaudill75:
How about, keep your religious views out of my uterus??

Amen. And tell DH to suck it up. You are having a freaking c-section (maybe your 2nd?)- he can deal with a couple stitches!

He will more than likely relent, but you know how men are. Mention anything about their "man bits" and their vision starts to dim and they break out in a cold sweat. Like most women, I was taking all the reproductive responsibility on me because thats hows it is done, unfortunately. Like, if you want something done right, give it to a woman, you know?

PhysChic7685 · January 2012

hey_little_bird:
kiarstin:
my hospital is the same way and I am with you, I think hospitals shouldn't be allowed to dictate those sorts of things, mine won't do a circumcision either.
what kind of hospital doesn't do circumcisions?
and, OP, tell hubby to suck it up. a vasectomy is an in-office procedure with minimal recovery time. i'm pretty sure it costs a lot less than a tubal, too!

Vasectomies typically cost less than one-third to one-quarter the cost of a tubal (assuming the tubal is an individual procedure and not associated with a c-sec). There's also significantly less recovery time, better chance of and lower cost for reversal (just in case), and less associated risks.

My brother and his wife just had their fourth kid (all four were unplanned) and he's finally considering getting a vasectomy. My husband and I have already agreed that, if I don't need a c-sec (I'll add tubal to it if I do) he'll definitely get a vasectomy.

To OP, you said that 28 weeks is to late to change, but I've seen plenty of women on these boards who changed well past that point. During my last, I moved across state at 30 weeks and had to change doctors and it was no problem. I'm not telling you that you NEED to change, but that it's definitely still an option. It may be worth it--I found the prices for different procedures at my hospital and discovered that adding a TL to a CS only costs an additional $600.

aruiz1982 · January 2012

tartaruga:

aruiz1982:
Maybe you could have done some research before choosing a doctor/hospital? Hospital have every right to say what they will or will not do and if you don't like it, go elsewhere.

LOL I don't know what country you live in, but here in the US it's not that easy at ALL to just "go elsewhere."

Sure it is. You have tons of options, most are just incredibly lazy about seeking them out and doing their research.

aruiz1982 · January 2012

acaudill75:

aruiz1982:
Maybe you could have done some research before choosing a doctor/hospital? Hospital have every right to say what they will or will not do and if you don't like it, go elsewhere.

When I chose my OB, I wasn't shopping for a tubal. It didn't even occur to me. She was my gynocologist first, and then my OB. And as this is my second child, and I am past 28 weeks, its too late to "go elsewhere." How about, keep your religious views out of my uterus?? I did my duty by my husband, my country and my faith (dripping with sarcasm), and I am done. My OB would do it in a heartbeat, and I am very comfortable with her. And, sometimes, hospitals get bought out, and policies change, and you are stuck with what you have, and you can't deliver elsewhere without a major upheaval. Doctors can't just deliver wherever YOU decide you want to deliver. It doesn't work that way.

How about, go find your whore uterus a new hospital? The good christians don't want their hands covered in your sins.

acaudill75 · January 2012

PhysChic7685:
hey_little_bird:

kiarstin:
my hospital is the same way and I am with you, I think hospitals shouldn't be allowed to dictate those sorts of things, mine won't do a circumcision either.

what kind of hospital doesn't do circumcisions?

and, OP, tell hubby to suck it up. a vasectomy is an in-office procedure with minimal recovery time. i'm pretty sure it costs a lot less than a tubal, too!

Vasectomies typically cost less than one-third to one-quarter the cost of a tubal (assuming the tubal is an individual procedure and not associated with a c-sec). There's also significantly less recovery time, better chance of and lower cost for reversal (just in case), and less associated risks.

My brother and his wife just had their fourth kid (all four were unplanned) and he's finally considering getting a vasectomy. My husband and I have already agreed that, if I don't need a c-sec (I'll add tubal to it if I do) he'll definitely get a vasectomy.

To OP, you said that 28 weeks is to late to change, but I've seen plenty of women on these boards who changed well past that point. During my last, I moved across state at 30 weeks and had to change doctors and it was no problem. I'm not telling you that you NEED to change, but that it's definitely still an option. It may be worth it--I found the prices for different procedures at my hospital and discovered that adding a TL to a CS only costs an additional $600.

Thanks for the info. I have excellent insurance that covers everything. I paid less than $200 for my last pregnancy, which ended in a c-section. Cost isn't really an issue (and yes, I am grateful for that and don't say that lightly). I know its an option to go elsewhere, but I really like my OB and trust her. Also, the hospital's religious BS notwithstanding, they have a level III NICU and PICU, which is Joint Commissions certified, and the care of DD is waaaay more important, if heaven forbid, she should need it. Its just disappointing to find out that what I wanted to happen can't happen.

blessedwithbaby · January 2012

I may get burned................I don't think they should have to do anything they don't agree with. I'm sorry if that upsets you. If you talked to your OB sooner and he didn't say anything that is where I would put your blame. If you didn't talk about it sooner than that is on you. I'm sure the hospitals rules didn't just suddenly change.

acaudill75 · January 2012

aruiz1982:
acaudill75:

aruiz1982:
Maybe you could have done some research before choosing a doctor/hospital? Hospital have every right to say what they will or will not do and if you don't like it, go elsewhere.

When I chose my OB, I wasn't shopping for a tubal. It didn't even occur to me. She was my gynocologist first, and then my OB. And as this is my second child, and I am past 28 weeks, its too late to "go elsewhere." How about, keep your religious views out of my uterus?? I did my duty by my husband, my country and my faith (dripping with sarcasm), and I am done. My OB would do it in a heartbeat, and I am very comfortable with her. And, sometimes, hospitals get bought out, and policies change, and you are stuck with what you have, and you can't deliver elsewhere without a major upheaval. Doctors can't just deliver wherever YOU decide you want to deliver. It doesn't work that way.

How about, go find your whore uterus a new hospital? The good christians don't want their hands covered in your sins.

My WHORE UTERUS? Sorry honey, I'm married and both my first child and this one coming will be delivered within the bonds of matrimony. Actually, I was married in a house of G-d, with all my family and friends to celebrate our love and devotion to each other that lasts until we die. Having said all that, if I was a crack whore on the street with no insurance and just gave your good Christion husband HIV while I serviced him in a way you never could, I still have the right to do with my body as I please. And don't let me get started on the "GOOD CHRISTIANS" who typically run the Catholic Church. I made no comment about the right of the organization to feel that way, I just was disappointed that they could dictate the level of care my OB was able to give me. It sounds like you need to get off your moral high ground and enter the real world. You are obviously a fanatic, and I pity any child that has to be raised in the fire and brimstone world you live in.

runrinserepeat · January 2012

Unfortunately, hospitals in the US are businesses, and they have the right to decide which services they provide. TL is not a life-saving procedure, so they have every right to decide it's not "on the menu."

tartaruga · January 2012

aruiz1982:
tartaruga:

aruiz1982:
Maybe you could have done some research before choosing a doctor/hospital? Hospital have every right to say what they will or will not do and if you don't like it, go elsewhere.

LOL I don't know what country you live in, but here in the US it's not that easy at ALL to just "go elsewhere."

Sure it is. You have tons of options, most are just incredibly lazy about seeking them out and doing their research.

Really? Please tell me where you got access to my insurance plan information.

JLG95 · January 2012

aruiz1982:
Maybe you could have done some research before choosing a doctor/hospital? Hospital have every right to say what they will or will not do and if you don't like it, go elsewhere.

Yes

Catholic hospitals have every night to say no to procedures. They aren't a public service. And you don't have to patronize them.

runrinserepeat · January 2012

JLG95:

aruiz1982:
Maybe you could have done some research before choosing a doctor/hospital? Hospital have every right to say what they will or will not do and if you don't like it, go elsewhere.

Catholic hospitals have every night to say no to procedures. They aren't a public service. And you don't have to patronize them.

Exactly.

aruiz1982 · January 2012

acaudill75:
aruiz1982:
acaudill75:

aruiz1982:
Maybe you could have done some research before choosing a doctor/hospital? Hospital have every right to say what they will or will not do and if you don't like it, go elsewhere.

When I chose my OB, I wasn't shopping for a tubal. It didn't even occur to me. She was my gynocologist first, and then my OB. And as this is my second child, and I am past 28 weeks, its too late to "go elsewhere." How about, keep your religious views out of my uterus?? I did my duty by my husband, my country and my faith (dripping with sarcasm), and I am done. My OB would do it in a heartbeat, and I am very comfortable with her. And, sometimes, hospitals get bought out, and policies change, and you are stuck with what you have, and you can't deliver elsewhere without a major upheaval. Doctors can't just deliver wherever YOU decide you want to deliver. It doesn't work that way.

How about, go find your whore uterus a new hospital? The good christians don't want their hands covered in your sins.

My WHORE UTERUS? Sorry honey, I'm married and both my first child and this one coming will be delivered within the bonds of matrimony. Actually, I was married in a house of G-d, with all my family and friends to celebrate our love and devotion to each other that lasts until we die. Having said all that, if I was a crack whore on the street with no insurance and just gave your good Christion husband HIV while I serviced him in a way you never could, I still have the right to do with my body as I please. And don't let me get started on the "GOOD CHRISTIANS" who typically run the Catholic Church. I made no comment about the right of the organization to feel that way, I just was disappointed that they could dictate the level of care my OB was able to give me. It sounds like you need to get off your moral high ground and enter the real world. You are obviously a fanatic, and I pity any child that has to be raised in the fire and brimstone world you live in.

You said WTF about the hospitals policy. That isn't just disappointment, thats blasphemy. I hope they quietly bless your baby in the nursery, it's going to need it.

tartaruga · January 2012

JLG95:
aruiz1982:
Maybe you could have done some research before choosing a doctor/hospital? Hospital have every right to say what they will or will not do and if you don't like it, go elsewhere.
Catholic hospitals have every night to say no to procedures. They aren't a public service. And you don't have to patronize them.

That's great if your insurance covers other non-religiously affiliated hospitals. But "either pay $20,000 out of pocket for your childbirth or go to a Catholic hospital where other people get to make all the decisions for you" isn't much of a choice.

And if they're not a public service, why are they getting tax exemptions and public taxpayer funds?

tartaruga · January 2012

aruiz1982:
acaudill75:
aruiz1982:
acaudill75:

aruiz1982:
Maybe you could have done some research before choosing a doctor/hospital? Hospital have every right to say what they will or will not do and if you don't like it, go elsewhere.

When I chose my OB, I wasn't shopping for a tubal. It didn't even occur to me. She was my gynocologist first, and then my OB. And as this is my second child, and I am past 28 weeks, its too late to "go elsewhere." How about, keep your religious views out of my uterus?? I did my duty by my husband, my country and my faith (dripping with sarcasm), and I am done. My OB would do it in a heartbeat, and I am very comfortable with her. And, sometimes, hospitals get bought out, and policies change, and you are stuck with what you have, and you can't deliver elsewhere without a major upheaval. Doctors can't just deliver wherever YOU decide you want to deliver. It doesn't work that way.

How about, go find your whore uterus a new hospital? The good christians don't want their hands covered in your sins.

My WHORE UTERUS? Sorry honey, I'm married and both my first child and this one coming will be delivered within the bonds of matrimony. Actually, I was married in a house of G-d, with all my family and friends to celebrate our love and devotion to each other that lasts until we die. Having said all that, if I was a crack whore on the street with no insurance and just gave your good Christion husband HIV while I serviced him in a way you never could, I still have the right to do with my body as I please. And don't let me get started on the "GOOD CHRISTIANS" who typically run the Catholic Church. I made no comment about the right of the organization to feel that way, I just was disappointed that they could dictate the level of care my OB was able to give me. It sounds like you need to get off your moral high ground and enter the real world. You are obviously a fanatic, and I pity any child that has to be raised in the fire and brimstone world you live in.

You said WTF about the hospitals policy. That isn't just disappointment, thats blasphemy. I hope they quietly bless your baby in the nursery, it's going to need it.

What about "WTF" is blasphemy? I'm pretty sure the word f*ck isn't religious.

Or maybe you just don't actually know what the word "blasphemy" means.

footnotegirl · January 2012

I'm all for religious organizations getting to make their own rules. But then they should cease taking government money to provide social services (like catholic social services providing adoption or religious hospitals providing care to people with medicare/medicaid). They should also cease monopolizing the health care industry. In many areas of the US, the ONLY hospitals available are religious institutions.

aruiz1982 · January 2012

tartaruga:
aruiz1982:
tartaruga:

aruiz1982:
Maybe you could have done some research before choosing a doctor/hospital? Hospital have every right to say what they will or will not do and if you don't like it, go elsewhere.

LOL I don't know what country you live in, but here in the US it's not that easy at ALL to just "go elsewhere."

Sure it is. You have tons of options, most are just incredibly lazy about seeking them out and doing their research.

Really? Please tell me where you got access to my insurance plan information.

So because the insurance plan that have choosen doesnt give you the options you need to have the prcedures you would like, you think a religious organization should have to go against their core beliefs? You are a lazy american idiot.

aruiz1982 · January 2012

tartaruga:
JLG95:

aruiz1982:
Maybe you could have done some research before choosing a doctor/hospital? Hospital have every right to say what they will or will not do and if you don't like it, go elsewhere.

Catholic hospitals have every night to say no to procedures. They aren't a public service. And you don't have to patronize them.

That's great if your insurance covers other non-religiously affiliated hospitals. But "either pay $20,000 out of pocket for your childbirth or go to a Catholic hospital where other people get to make all the decisions for you" isn't much of a choice.

And if they're not a public service, why are they getting tax exemptions and public taxpayer funds?

Then don't have a baby if you can't afford it. You seem to think the world should cater to your wants.

aruiz1982 · January 2012

tartaruga:
aruiz1982:
acaudill75:
aruiz1982:
acaudill75:

aruiz1982:
Maybe you could have done some research before choosing a doctor/hospital? Hospital have every right to say what they will or will not do and if you don't like it, go elsewhere.

When I chose my OB, I wasn't shopping for a tubal. It didn't even occur to me. She was my gynocologist first, and then my OB. And as this is my second child, and I am past 28 weeks, its too late to "go elsewhere." How about, keep your religious views out of my uterus?? I did my duty by my husband, my country and my faith (dripping with sarcasm), and I am done. My OB would do it in a heartbeat, and I am very comfortable with her. And, sometimes, hospitals get bought out, and policies change, and you are stuck with what you have, and you can't deliver elsewhere without a major upheaval. Doctors can't just deliver wherever YOU decide you want to deliver. It doesn't work that way.

How about, go find your whore uterus a new hospital? The good christians don't want their hands covered in your sins.

My WHORE UTERUS? Sorry honey, I'm married and both my first child and this one coming will be delivered within the bonds of matrimony. Actually, I was married in a house of G-d, with all my family and friends to celebrate our love and devotion to each other that lasts until we die. Having said all that, if I was a crack whore on the street with no insurance and just gave your good Christion husband HIV while I serviced him in a way you never could, I still have the right to do with my body as I please. And don't let me get started on the "GOOD CHRISTIANS" who typically run the Catholic Church. I made no comment about the right of the organization to feel that way, I just was disappointed that they could dictate the level of care my OB was able to give me. It sounds like you need to get off your moral high ground and enter the real world. You are obviously a fanatic, and I pity any child that has to be raised in the fire and brimstone world you live in.

You said WTF about the hospitals policy. That isn't just disappointment, thats blasphemy. I hope they quietly bless your baby in the nursery, it's going to need it.

What about "WTF" is blasphemy? I'm pretty sure the word f*ck isn't religious.

Or maybe you just don't actually know what the word "blasphemy" means.

Cursing is a sin. And cursing a religious belief or policy is an even bigger sin. Read your bible.

Ya Never Know · January 2012

aruiz1982:
acaudill75:
aruiz1982:
acaudill75:

aruiz1982:
Maybe you could have done some research before choosing a doctor/hospital? Hospital have every right to say what they will or will not do and if you don't like it, go elsewhere.

When I chose my OB, I wasn't shopping for a tubal. It didn't even occur to me. She was my gynocologist first, and then my OB. And as this is my second child, and I am past 28 weeks, its too late to "go elsewhere." How about, keep your religious views out of my uterus?? I did my duty by my husband, my country and my faith (dripping with sarcasm), and I am done. My OB would do it in a heartbeat, and I am very comfortable with her. And, sometimes, hospitals get bought out, and policies change, and you are stuck with what you have, and you can't deliver elsewhere without a major upheaval. Doctors can't just deliver wherever YOU decide you want to deliver. It doesn't work that way.

How about, go find your whore uterus a new hospital? The good christians don't want their hands covered in your sins.

My WHORE UTERUS? Sorry honey, I'm married and both my first child and this one coming will be delivered within the bonds of matrimony. Actually, I was married in a house of G-d, with all my family and friends to celebrate our love and devotion to each other that lasts until we die. Having said all that, if I was a crack whore on the street with no insurance and just gave your good Christion husband HIV while I serviced him in a way you never could, I still have the right to do with my body as I please. And don't let me get started on the "GOOD CHRISTIANS" who typically run the Catholic Church. I made no comment about the right of the organization to feel that way, I just was disappointed that they could dictate the level of care my OB was able to give me. It sounds like you need to get off your moral high ground and enter the real world. You are obviously a fanatic, and I pity any child that has to be raised in the fire and brimstone world you live in.

You said WTF about the hospitals policy. That isn't just disappointment, thats blasphemy. I hope they quietly bless your baby in the nursery, it's going to need it.

Are you for real? Wow... You should hire a therapist early on, because it sounds like you're going to need it.

tartaruga · January 2012

aruiz1982:

Cursing is a sin. And cursing a religious belief or policy is an even bigger sin. Read your bible.

I seem to have misplaced my bible. Can you please point me to the exact chapter and verse where it says that saying the word "f*ck" is a sin?

tartaruga · January 2012

Oh never mind. I've just been informed that you're a troll and don't even believe the crap you're spewing, so. It was fun, see ya!

runrinserepeat · January 2012

Are we seriously just now figuring out that healthcare in America is a priviledge, not a right? You all must have had your heads in the clouds for quite some time now. Honestly, I feel a lot more for people suffering life-threatening diseases who can't afford to see their doctors or pay for their medicine than for the OP, who's demanding an elective procedure. ::rolls eyes:: yes, please tell me how unfair our healthcare system is. I'm all ears.

aruiz1982 · January 2012

Ephesians 4:29 tells us, "Do not let any unwholesome talk come out of your mouths, but only what is helpful for building others up according to their needs, that it may benefit those who listen."

Lilena · January 2012

tartaruga:
JLG95:
aruiz1982:
Maybe you could have done some research before choosing a doctor/hospital? Hospital have every right to say what they will or will not do and if you don't like it, go elsewhere.
Catholic hospitals have every night to say no to procedures. They aren't a public service. And you don't have to patronize them.
That's great if your insurance covers other non-religiously affiliated hospitals. But "either pay $20,000 out of pocket for your childbirth or go to a Catholic hospital where other people get to make all the decisions for you" isn't much of a choice.
And if they're not a public service, why are they getting tax exemptions and public taxpayer funds?

This this this this this.

aruiz1982 · January 2012

tartaruga:
Oh never mind. I've just been informed that you're a troll and don't even believe the crap you're spewing, so. It was fun, see ya!

That is right, I am not religious at all. But that doesn't make what Im saying incorrect.

Temp534591562502098 · January 2012

aruiz1982:
tartaruga:
aruiz1982:
tartaruga:

aruiz1982:
Maybe you could have done some research before choosing a doctor/hospital? Hospital have every right to say what they will or will not do and if you don't like it, go elsewhere.

LOL I don't know what country you live in, but here in the US it's not that easy at ALL to just "go elsewhere."

Sure it is. You have tons of options, most are just incredibly lazy about seeking them out and doing their research.

Really? Please tell me where you got access to my insurance plan information.

So because the insurance plan that have choosen doesnt give you the options you need to have the prcedures you would like, you think a religious organization should have to go against their core beliefs? You are a lazy american idiot.

I heard a french accent when I read this. lol

Moneypenny424 · January 2012

blessedwithbaby:
I may get burned................I don't think they should have to do anything they don't agree with. I'm sorry if that upsets you. If you talked to your OB sooner and he didn't say anything that is where I would put your blame. If you didn't talk about it sooner than that is on you. I'm sure the hospitals rules didn't just suddenly change.

I have to agree with this. Don't get me wrong, I think it is annoying too, but I don't see why a Catholic hospital should have to do something they don't agree with. There are lots of things/mandates religious organizations don't have to cover (i.e. birth control) and that is part of their religious freedom as well.

I'm not saying I blame you for not knowing this earlier, but I understand that religious institutions (including hospitals) have the right to their beliefs.

Temp534591562502098 · January 2012

aruiz1982:
Ephesians 4:29 tells us, "Do not let any unwholesome talk come out of your mouths, but only what is helpful for building others up according to their needs, that it may benefit those who listen."

fu*king is totally wholesome - how else does the baby batter get to its destination?

tartaruga · January 2012

kleMcK:
Are we seriously just now figuring out that healthcare in America is a priviledge, not a right? You all must have had your heads in the clouds for quite some time now. Honestly, I feel a lot more for people suffering life-threatening diseases who can't afford to see their doctors or pay for their medicine than for the OP, who's demanding an elective procedure. ::rolls eyes:: yes, please tell me how unfair our healthcare system is. I'm all ears.

Huh? Is it truly impossible to be upset about more than one thing?

I think it's BS that the OP has found herself in this position due to the religious views of others and our screwed up healthcare system, and I think it's also BS that people in the wealthiest nation in the world go without essential medical treatment because we as a society are too *** selfish to care about it. Caring about one doesn't mean I'm unaware or unable to care about the other.

Temp534591562502098 · January 2012

kleMcK:
Are we seriously just now figuring out that healthcare in America is a priviledge, not a right? You all must have had your heads in the clouds for quite some time now. Honestly, I feel a lot more for people suffering life-threatening diseases who can't afford to see their doctors or pay for their medicine than for the OP, who's demanding an elective procedure. ::rolls eyes:: yes, please tell me how unfair our healthcare system is. I'm all ears.

You are really ok with it being that way?

runrinserepeat · January 2012

tartaruga:
kleMcK:

Are we seriously just now figuring out that healthcare in America is a priviledge, not a right? You all must have had your heads in the clouds for quite some time now. Honestly, I feel a lot more for people suffering life-threatening diseases who can't afford to see their doctors or pay for their medicine than for the OP, who's demanding an elective procedure. ::rolls eyes:: yes, please tell me how unfair our healthcare system is. I'm all ears.

Huh? Is it truly impossible to be upset about more than one thing?

I think it's BS that the OP has found herself in this position due to the religious views of others and our screwed up healthcare system, and I think it's also BS that people in the wealthiest nation in the world go without essential medical treatment because we as a society are too *** selfish to care about it. Caring about one doesn't mean I'm unaware or unable to care about the other.

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The fact of the matter is, the Catholic-run business is refusing to perform a service that contradicts some of their core beliefs. And just like any other business, if you don't like what they have to sell, you can go elsewhere. Will it be more expensive? Perhaps. But we live in a capitalistic society. That's the way things work. And if she can't afford to buy it from somewhere else, she'll survive. If she were buying a TV, nobody would think twice when one store didn't have the one she wanted and another one was charging through the nose for it.

So no, I don't really care. Like I said, if this were a life-threatening issue, then yeah, I'd be upset. But it's an elective procedure. She'll either pay what it costs elsewhere or live without.

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