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sbrowns08 · November 2011

Hey there! I've been thinking about you a lot lately and hoping that your and your hubby are doing OK. I know that you have a history of mild MFI, has YH ever seen a uro or been dx with a varicocele?

Back when DH was diagnosed I did a lot of reading on the effects of them, etc. One of the benefits of the surgery (per the uro and the research I found) is that it has shown to improve sperm dna considerably.

HTH and continued good thoughts

There's this article: https://www.scsadiagnostics.com/docs/202%20-%20Significant%20decrease%20in%20sperm%20deoxyribonucleic%20acid%20fragmentation%20after%20varicocelectomy.pdf

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sbrowns08 · November 2011

And if someone could explain why I always get two pics when i upload from tinypic, that would be fab. Ugh.

MsGMChick · November 2011

sbrowns08:
And if someone could explain why I always get two pics when i upload from tinypic, that would be fab. Ugh.

::sneaks in:: It looks like you're using the code marked HTML for websites. While this is a website, TB uses BB and not HTML. If you use the one marked IMG code for forums, it should work. If you're using that already, disregard and tinypic just hates you

FX for you, Hootie!!

::sneaks out::

sbrowns08 · November 2011

MsGMChick:
sbrowns08:
And if someone could explain why I always get two pics when i upload from tinypic, that would be fab. Ugh.
::sneaks in:: It looks like you're using the code marked HTML for websites. While this is a website, TB uses BB and not HTML. If you use the one marked IMG code for forums, it should work. If you're using that already, disregard and tinypic just hates you
FX for you, Hootie!!
::sneaks out::

Ahh, thank you!

hootie123 · November 2011

Thanks - We did go to the uro this year - and he had all the b/w, exam and scrotal u/s - and they found absolutely nothing wrong with him. So he basically just sent us back to the RE. My sister wants me to get that DNA frag test done - but my RE didn't think it was necessary. I'm going to wait and see what they say at Strong. But you can get the test done on your own w/o an RE - but I just don't want to spend any more money at this point - until we get a second opinion. One of my friends from support group that ended up going to Strong did the donor/IUI and donor back-up/IVF at the buffalo office. Then went to Strong and they told her not to use donor and ended up pregnant on her first IVF there (with her husbands sperm). So she is very adamant that we don't give up hope at this point. It's hard to compare her situation though - since she was secondary IF - so her husband did have proven 'success' with his sperm at one point.

Meanwhile - my husband still is upset about the idea of donor - and doen't want to do it. But he did randomly say to me the other day 'if we do end up using a sperm donor - I want him to be tall - I've always wished I was taller'. It was so random - so it makes me feel like he is trying to come to terms with it if we do get to that point. I'm still thinking we'll do at least one more IVF with his sperm (unless Strong really thinks otherwise).

sbrowns08 · November 2011

hootie123:
Thanks - We did go to the uro this year - and he had all the b/w, exam and scrotal u/s - and they found absolutely nothing wrong with him. So he basically just sent us back to the RE. My sister wants me to get that DNA frag test done - but my RE didn't think it was necessary. I'm going to wait and see what they say at Strong. But you can get the test done on your own w/o an RE - but I just don't want to spend any more money at this point - until we get a second opinion. One of my friends from support group that ended up going to Strong did the donor/IUI and donor back-up/IVF at the buffalo office. Then went to Strong and they told her not to use donor and ended up pregnant on her first IVF there (with her husbands sperm). So she is very adamant that we don't give up hope at this point. It's hard to compare her situation though - since she was secondary IF - so her husband did have proven 'success' with his sperm at one point.

Meanwhile - my husband still is upset about the idea of donor - and doen't want to do it. But he did randomly say to me the other day 'if we do end up using a sperm donor - I want him to be tall - I've always wished I was taller'. It was so random - so it makes me feel like he is trying to come to terms with it if we do get to that point. I'm still thinking we'll do at least one more IVF with his sperm (unless Strong really thinks otherwise).

I know exactly how you guys feel about the whole donor situation. We talked about it at length last year when the first SA was so bad. We decided to exhaust our resources with his sperm, and that would be that. It's such a personal and difficult decision though.

We don't want to do the frag test either, mainly because of the $$ and because we know we'll try IVF with his sperm no matter what.

I'm really curious as to what Strong has to say. DH's uro is affiliated with Strong's clinic, though we go to a different clinic. He's the leading uro in the city and has been so helpful to us on this journey. I hope that you guys get a clearer picture and some better answers from Strong.

hootie123 · November 2011

sbrowns08:

I know exactly how you guys feel about the whole donor situation. We talked about it at length last year when the first SA was so bad. We decided to exhaust our resources with his sperm, and that would be that. It's such a personal and difficult decision though.

We don't want to do the frag test either, mainly because of the $$ and because we know we'll try IVF with his sperm no matter what.

I'm really curious as to what Strong has to say. DH's uro is affiliated with Strong's clinic, though we go to a different clinic. He's the leading uro in the city and has been so helpful to us on this journey. I hope that you guys get a clearer picture and some better answers from Strong.

So you mean you would decide not to try donor if it comes to that point? At least right now - I feel that its a better choice for us than adoption. Even though I'm willing to try anything possible to not have to go the donor route - I know I would be ok with it (but of course we both need to agree with this).

And FYI - my appt. at Strong is on Jan. 5. I'm definitely going to consider trying a biopsy to get sperm - since there has been some research that its better quality - but it could also be the same. It's never easy...

sbrowns08 · November 2011

hootie123:
sbrowns08:

I know exactly how you guys feel about the whole donor situation. We talked about it at length last year when the first SA was so bad. We decided to exhaust our resources with his sperm, and that would be that. It's such a personal and difficult decision though.

We don't want to do the frag test either, mainly because of the $$ and because we know we'll try IVF with his sperm no matter what.

I'm really curious as to what Strong has to say. DH's uro is affiliated with Strong's clinic, though we go to a different clinic. He's the leading uro in the city and has been so helpful to us on this journey. I hope that you guys get a clearer picture and some better answers from Strong.

So you mean you would decide not to try donor if it comes to that point? At least right now - I feel that its a better choice for us than adoption. Even though I'm willing to try anything possible to not have to go the donor route - I know I would be ok with it (but of course we both need to agree with this).

And FYI - my appt. at Strong is on Jan. 5. I'm definitely going to consider trying a biopsy to get sperm - since there has been some research that its better quality - but it could also be the same. It's never easy...

DH really isn't on board with it; I could be swayed. We decided to exhaust our path with his sperm first. It's almost like I know he won't be able to talk about it until we've tried a few IVF's with his. So I guess what I meant to say is that we aren't going to revisit it until we've tried IVFs first!

I'm glad you got into Strong so quickly. I didn't know that about biopsied sperm- I think it's definitely worth a shot!

hootie123 · November 2011

Well I hope more than anything you don't get to the point that I am at! Honestly its not the actual IVF that is hard - its the emotional turmoil involved (knowing that you put back growing embryos - then it not working - then still not being pregnant while everyone else in the world seemingly is or has been at some point). I could keep doing IVF over and over if it wasn't so mentally/emotionally exhausting.

sbrowns08 · November 2011

hootie123:
Well I hope more than anything you don't get to the point that I am at! Honestly its not the actual IVF that is hard - its the emotional turmoil involved (knowing that you put back growing embryos - then it not working - then still not being pregnant while everyone else in the world seemingly is or has been at some point). I could keep doing IVF over and over if it wasn't so mentally/emotionally exhausting.

I can't even imagine what you're going through right now, and I hope that this is over for both of us soon! I'm praying like crazy for you guys. I can't wait to hear how it goes on the 5th!

limpetfan · November 2011

hootie123:
Thanks - We did go to the uro this year - and he had all the b/w, exam and scrotal u/s - and they found absolutely nothing wrong with him. So he basically just sent us back to the RE. My sister wants me to get that DNA frag test done - but my RE didn't think it was necessary. I'm going to wait and see what they say at Strong. But you can get the test done on your own w/o an RE - but I just don't want to spend any more money at this point - until we get a second opinion. One of my friends from support group that ended up going to Strong did the donor/IUI and donor back-up/IVF at the buffalo office. Then went to Strong and they told her not to use donor and ended up pregnant on her first IVF there (with her husbands sperm). So she is very adamant that we don't give up hope at this point. It's hard to compare her situation though - since she was secondary IF - so her husband did have proven 'success' with his sperm at one point.

Meanwhile - my husband still is upset about the idea of donor - and doen't want to do it. But he did randomly say to me the other day 'if we do end up using a sperm donor - I want him to be tall - I've always wished I was taller'. It was so random - so it makes me feel like he is trying to come to terms with it if we do get to that point. I'm still thinking we'll do at least one more IVF with his sperm (unless Strong really thinks otherwise).

Not to barge in on you guys' thread... but I wanted to add... hootie, the DNA frag test is the exact reason my DH and I decided to go for a second opinion at SIRM. We're going next Monday. If you read the SIRM website, they discuss at length about DNA fragmentation testing and why they do it... so we know if we go there, it shouldn't be an OOP test. After DH's uro appointment Friday, it's clear he doesn't have anything anatomically wrong - so we're in a similar boat to you. And DH is dead-set against donor anything at this point, too.

Again, sorry about barging in!

hootie123 · November 2011

limpetfan:
Not to barge in on you guys' thread... but I wanted to add... hootie, the DNA frag test is the exact reason my DH and I decided to go for a second opinion at SIRM. We're going next Monday. If you read the SIRM website, they discuss at length about DNA fragmentation testing and why they do it... so we know if we go there, it shouldn't be an OOP test. After DH's uro appointment Friday, it's clear he doesn't have anything anatomically wrong - so we're in a similar boat to you. And DH is dead-set against donor anything at this point, too.
Again, sorry about barging in!

You can barge in anytime you want limpetfan!!! I am so excited you are going to SIRM for a consult! I just read the section on MFI on their site - and it is interesting. I wrote this down:

There is some suggestion that the use of antioxidant therapy (pycnogenol 200mg daily, L-Carnitine 3 grams per day, acetyl carnitine 500mg per day, Vitamin C 1,000mg per day and Vitamin E 800IU per day) taken for 6-8 weeks, can cause the SDI assay to revert to normal in many cases.

My DH is already on Vit. C and E - I'm going to add in the others - I can't imagine it will hurt. He's going to think I'm crazy - but I think he'll do anything at this point. Not that I even know if his frag test would come out high - I just can't imagine that it wouldn't at this point. I'm definitely going to ask the new RE if we should get it done though. Can't wait to hear what SIRM tells you!!

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