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10 year old gives birth in Mexico
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Aside from the shock of such a young person giving birth (and they act like it's a big deal she's BFing; that's how most women feed their babies there, she's just doing what her mom, grandma, and everyone else in society is doing) and the disgusting fact that a girl has to PROVE she was sexually assaulted to receive an abortion at a young age, I was thrown by the fact that the age of consent is 12. TWELVE. There is so much WTF for me in this article.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2060241/Girl-10-gives-birth-baby-Mexico.html
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Re: 10 year old gives birth in Mexico
SO MANY wtf's here...
Jail time for young girls who can't prove they were raped.... As if a 9 year old is going to take DNA. Or really, they think a 9 year old "had it coming" and just likes to sleep around?!
Well, obviously, there's a new life to celebrate.
i predict that they don't believe this would ever ever happen here if abortions were banned because the usa is sooooo much better at being pro-life than those godless other nations.
in poland they made a mother of two give birth even though her drs said she'd probably go blind.
https://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/6470403.stm
Another life saved. High-five! A mother doesn't need no stinking eyes to watch her kids.
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what exactly does that mean? i see it all the time, and i am wondering what an appropriate abortion looks like to someone who considers themselves "fairly pro-life."
I think people mean they don't think it should be used instead of contraception or as an alternative to contraception.
Because abortion is birth control.
Um... I know a girl who pretty much doesn't use birth control because it's not a big deal. If she gets pregnant she just has an abortion. No biggy. (she's had 5 that I know of)
THIS is "using abortion as BC"
put a f'ing condom on at least... TRY to not get pregnant. IF you do, oops. But to just be a *** dumpster and "get the problem taken care of" is sick in my book
right, no one thinks that's ok. i think that's pretty irresponsible and awful. but seriously, i want to know what an appropriate abortion looks like to a pro-lifer.
Um... I know a girl who pretty much doesn't use birth control because it's not a big deal. If she gets pregnant she just has an abortion. No biggy. (she's had 5 that I know of)
THIS is "using abortion as BC"
put a f'ing condom on at least... TRY to not get pregnant. IF you do, oops. But to just be a *** dumpster and "get the problem taken care of" is sick in my book
dude, we all know about the worst case scenario person. i understand that abortion threads are awesome opportunities to hate on some irresponsible person you know.
i'm asking for the OPPOSITE. because heather is right: abortion is always birth control. when is it ok, if you're pro-life? ever? never?
is that what you believe or are you just imagining what someone else might think? because i really want to discuss this with a person who believes it, not just conjecturing about some imaginary pro-life person.
Funny how much attention is being given to her not being able to have an abortion when we don't know the victim's instance on this, yet we are barely discussing how she was raped. Which is the real source of the problem here?
Are we assuming that she should have had an abortion?
pro-choice here. But Father and Uncle/Godfather who is a decon both are "very catholic" and pro-choice. Rape or danger to mother I believe are their stance.
I don't think you can get the cut and dry answer you may be looking for. One "pro-lifer" is different then another "pro-lifer" just as one reb/dem is different. You will always have the left, right and middle......
"I am prolife and will kill a baby killing doctor" um NOT cool to "I'm a pro-life but if you were raped and you don't think you could give it up for adoption, then go ahead with the abortion and I'll pray for you"
Calling pro-lifers and that ways is just as ridiculous as calling pro-choicers "anti-lifers", it makes no sense.
Calling pro-lifers that way is just as ridiculous as calling pro-choicers "anti-lifers", it makes no sense.
EDITED; for my terrible, terrible spelling
Those of us who believe it unconcionable for a child to have little or no choice about whether she should have a (clearly) high-risk pregnancy and a c-section think this, yes.
It is quite accurate.
Pro-life is a misnomer unless you are also against the death penalty and if you support a movement that does not support a woman's life, in favor of an unborn child.
Pro-choice means you support the choice, not that you support an abortion itself or that you are against choosing "life."
Anti-choice means that you are against even having the choice.
It's not really inflammatory, Ali. It's logical.
if a 9 year old was raped and did not want to the the baby that resulted from it, she should be able to have an abortion. IF she didn't ask for an abortion and was raped and had a baby, I pray her mother and family would help her and she and her baby would live a wonder loving life together.
right, that's why i want to ask the real person who believes this exactly what they believe and why. i don't think it's very useful to argue with imaginary people.
How about a person with intelectual limitations? (I don't even know is that is the term) or a 12 year old? until what age do we take that decision for a kid?
If a person is aware fo the complications and of a legal choice (when that's the case) where do we draw the line in terms of age? or actual ability to make that call?
If a 10 years old girl or someone with severe mentallimitaions asks for an abortion, don't we take her choice as valid? why not the other way around?
I wish there were easy answers. I just hope this girl gets to heal from all this *** storm she's been dragged to.
i agree with this. i generally call the stance "pro-life" only because i know that's what the people who believe it prefer. but it literally is an anti-choice stance because that is what is typically being promoted in "pro-life" bills. generally they are not bills that provide for the life of the child, other than making it difficult or impossible for the mother to get an abortion. for example, bush called himself pro-life, but then he did this.
I don't know the answer to those questions because they are contingent on Mexican law.
I was unnecessarily snarky in my last statement about your logic. I meant the rest as an earnest discussion / reply. I apologize and will edit.
uh, the point is that she couldn't get one.
also, are 10 year olds at liberty to refuse any medical treatment? or do you just want them to be able to have babies, and not able to, for example, refuse chemo because it makes them feel ill?
See, that's the issue, even amongst pro-lifers there's no common consensus as to when it is "acceptable" to have an abortion, so this definition most defeinitely doesn't cover the whole movement. And yes I am VERY against death penalty.
I think your reasoning (which I can agree with to an extent) to can be aplied both ways, I'm not against choice per se, I don't think anybody is.
so when is it acceptable?
and what does it mean when you say you're "not against choice per se?" these people definitely are:
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/personhood-bills-introduced-gain-traction-across-us/
The point is that she was raped, the point is that she is put in an unfair position because she was raped. Whether or not she tried or wanted an abortion is unknown to us.
And abortion is not a medical treatment, but a procedure. Refusing chemo will kill you, refusing and abortion when there's not and actual reason to believe ther pregnacy will harm the mother beyond it's normal consecuences will not.
Wait, what does "that" refer to (your second word)?
And as to the last-- if you're not against choice, then you're pro-choice. And yes, they really are against choice. Politicians are continually trying to create laws that make abortion illegal or incredibly restricted / difficult to obtain. Isn't one of the mottos "It's a child, not a choice?" Anyone who wants abortion illegal except in cases of ___ (fill in the blank) is against women having a choice. Anyone who wants abortion illegal in all cases is against women having a choice. And that brings me back to why anti-choice is a logical, non-inflammatory term.
You seem conflicted in your beliefs. I imagine that is a difficult place to be in-- particularly so if your beliefs are grounded in religion.
You probably don't know my story because you haven't known me for years. 4 years ago, I had a serious pregnancy complication at 9-ish weeks and was hemorrhaging... for 5 weeks. Blood transfusion, everything. I was counseled to terminate since I was, you know, bleeding out. I was on full bedrest for almost the entire pregnancy. My anxiety was so bad that I was medically ok'd by the high risk specialist to take Xanax (class X drug). It was a terrible time. We both did live to tell the tale. As you well know, I am a vehement pro-choice advocate in ALL situations, and yet I chose life. A small personal anecdote, but it illustrates really well the concept of pro-choice and why pro-life is a problematic term to describe people who do not believe abortion should be legal.
"In August 2010, an eleven-year old Mayan girl named Amalia gave birth in southern Mexico, two weeks earlier than expected. The birth came months after the local Justice Department had denied an abortion to the girl because she was in the fourth month of pregnancy."
https://upfrontnewswire.com/1739/10-year-old-girl-gives-birth-in-east-central-mexico/
she did seek an abortion. why shouldn't she have gotten one?
bstrange, you're doing nothing good for my blood pressure.
Oh, Bstrangely, I'll humor you. My personal instance is that abortion is OK when the mother's life is compromised. It's self defense, really.
Now, you can start bombarding me with more questions and hypothetical situations.
The rest of my post is self explanatory, I'm not against the choice itself, I'm pro-life, simple as that.
I was referring to the bolded part.
I'm actually not conflicted, I meant that it is not the choice I'm against, but think life (mother or child) should be favored. I get that you don't have the intention of being inflamatory when saying anti-choice, but yeah, it is, and it doesn't really cover the heart and essence of it.
And I'm sorry you had such a rough pregnancy and I'm happy you are both OK.
dude, i really find your tone ridiculous. you are the person saying that you know better than all of us what we should do with our lady bits. the least you can do is deign to explain your reasoning.
but i guess that's to be expected. if we're not to be trusted with our own fertility, i guess we can't be trusted to understand your lofty views either. because frankly, what you're now discussing (OK when the mother's life is compromised.) is a doctor's advice, not a woman's choice.