June 2011 Moms

What would happen if we didn't sleep train?

So LO generally sleeps a 7-8 hour stretch at night, then wakes up once to eat and goes back for an hour or two.

So it's 8pm to 4am, awake from 4-5 and down from 5-6 or 5-7.

It's not ideal, but not horrible either.  I know some of you have it better and some have it worse.  I could go on like this for a few more months, no problem.  Not getting the best sleep, but I could deal.

My worry is that the pedi told me that this is the age when they start creating habits.  And that if we don't sleep train, she may grow into a habit of eating at 4am and not really needing it.   I don't want to be dealing with a 1- year old that still wakes up at night.  Is that what would happen if I didn't sleep train?  Or will she eventually just grow out of it?

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Re: What would happen if we didn't sleep train?

  • Yeah, I haven't felt a huge need to sleep train either because Ty is a pretty good sleeper.  We have no problems getting him to go to sleep and usually he only wakes up 1x a night.  He falls asleep anywhere from 8:30 - 10:00 (weirdly he stays up later on Fridays and Saturdays) and wakes up anywhere from 6:45 - 8:00 - depending on whether or not I wake him when getting ready for DC.  If he wakes up in the middle of the night it's anywhere from 1:30  -4:00 and after he eats he goes right back to bed.  

    I think I'm just afraid to rock the boat, so to speak, so I haven't started trying any Sleep Training.  I'm like you - I could go on like this for a few more months, but I have to wonder if I keep this up if he'll keep it up too. 

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  • We were lucky that DD was a good sleeper but were determined to sleep train even before she was born because my 2 year old niece still doesn't STTN and I was not going to be sleep deprived for 2 years. 
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    We were lucky that DD was a good sleeper but were determined to sleep train even before she was born because my 2 year old niece still doesn't STTN and I was not going to be sleep deprived for 2 years. 

    See, these are the stories that terrify me and make me want to sleep train!  Only issue is, when I get up to feed DD at 4am, if I take ONE second longer to feed her than she would like, she goes into full scream mode.  So I can't imagine trying to skip that feeding altogether. 

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  • We never did formal "sleep training" and ds sttn every night.  All we did was start a bedtime pattern, and do it at the same time every night.  Then after he sttn twice by himself, when he would wake up I would give him his paci and not a bottle becuase I knew he could sttn.  He never cried about it, and within a week he had stoped waking up for the paci.  Heck, now he won't even take a paci!  That was a little before 3 months.

    We did it all just based on how he was sleeping, I never pushed him to sleep longer than he already had on his own.  Maybe we just got lucky and got a good sleeper, but it has worked for us.

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  • I'm so worried about this. I can't listen to her cry it's like nails on a chalk board...and it breaks my heart, plus she shares a room with DS so I don't want to let her cry because it wakes him up and then I'm just stuck with him complaining and her crying. BUT, DS is 3 1/2 and if he sttn it's a miracle. He usually wakes up twice during the night. The first time its usually easy to get him to go back to bed but the second time he wants the tv on or he wants to eat something or he just wants to play (this is usually around 4am). So I either spend the hour trying to get him back to sleep or just give in and let him put the tv on and I go and sleep on the couch next to him. I dont want two like that! I am so torn and don't know what to do. And our pedi said the same thing...it's getting close to the point where it's gonna be too late. :/
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    My worry is that the pedi told me that this is the age when they start creating habits.  And that if we don't sleep train, she may grow into a habit of eating at 4am and not really needing it.   I don't want to be dealing with a 1- year old that still wakes up at night.  Is that what would happen if I didn't sleep train?  Or will she eventually just grow out of it?

    Hmm. We did sleep train to get Max to transition to his crib (he was sleeping with me), but I still feed him during the night (once a full nursing + bottle supplement and once nursing and just a teensy bit of supplement). The pedi told us not to qworry about feeding, that he would stop waking for food in the middle of the night when he was a little older.

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  • Our pedi at our 4 month appointment pushed really hard for us to sleep train.  At that time DD was going to bed at 7 and waking up at 1:30 to eat, then sleeping until we woke her at 6:15 for daycare.  We decided to wait to see what would happen.  Now she's sleeping 7 until 4 sometimes she'll sleep until it's time to get up at 6.  So we're going to wait until solids are fully established to decide if we want to sleep train or not.  I'm hoping that once she's completely on solids she'll sleep better.  Now solids are hit or miss, sometimes she'll eat, sometimes she screams bloody murder when we try.  Like you I'm not sure if I want to rock the boat to get her to sleep two more hours in the morning.
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    I'm so worried about this. I can't listen to her cry it's like nails on a chalk board...and it breaks my heart, plus she shares a room with DS so I don't want to let her cry because it wakes him up and then I'm just stuck with him complaining and her crying. BUT, DS is 3 1/2 and if he sttn it's a miracle. He usually wakes up twice during the night. The first time its usually easy to get him to go back to bed but the second time he wants the tv on or he wants to eat something or he just wants to play (this is usually around 4am). So I either spend the hour trying to get him back to sleep or just give in and let him put the tv on and I go and sleep on the couch next to him. I dont want two like that! I am so torn and don't know what to do. And our pedi said the same thing...it's getting close to the point where it's gonna be too late. :/

    First off, it isn't too late. If your baby is waking up to eat, he/she is hungry and you should feed them. Regarding your older child, have you ever watched SuperNanny? She does an AWESOME routine with kids.. basically after you have put them to bed, you don't talk to them again. If they wake up or come into your room, you (w/out talking) walk them back to their room and put them back in their bed. REPEAT. repeat repeat. But, you do not engage them.

    We already employ that method with Molly. When she wakes to eat, I feed her and rock her a bit, but if she is talking or smiling, I don't smile back. I put her back in her crib and let her fuss for a few minutes. If she starts to cry I soothe her, but I really try not to talk to her.. it only encourages her to stay  awake.

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  • According to my pediatrician the only real fear to worry about is that if you don't transition them to their own room by the time they learn object permanence it's infinitely harder because they know that you are gone (but not permanently) and leaving them there but if they cry hard enough you'll come back.  She said everything else they grow out of.

    She had put the get her in her own room by 6 month tag on but I don't think we'll make that at all since we just decided to embrace cosleeping and gave up the crib fight.

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  • Ugh, we're in the same boat. DS sleeps from about 7-8 until about 4am (with the time change it has been as early as 3:30), then sleeps until nearly 7. He screams for a diaper change/feeding at 4am, so I couldn't imagine taking that away at this point. When we change him at 4am his diaper is really full (we've had a few leaks, so he wakes up due to the leak more than anything else). I don't want to create a bad habit either, but he's so hungry at 4am! =(
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  • Well, I'm not expert but I am of the opinion that most babies will STTN when they are ready.  A friend of mine was getting ready to sleep train her 10 month old to drop the last night feeding and before she could start she dropped it on her own and STTN ever since.

    I know my DD needs to eat at night so I feed her.  She gets up at least 2x, sometimes 3, so I'd be throwing a party if she was eating only once.  But I think she'll get there.

  • We go with the flow. She sleeps through the night 96ish percent of the time but if she ever does wake up I will feed her. It is quick and she falls right back asleep so it really doesn't bother me.
  • I've yet to really mess with sleep training. The week I attempted it I had the crankiest, most irritable baby, who ended up going to bed later than if I would have just gone with the flow... So, I just let her lead... And you know what... She tends to follow mine and DH's sleep routine. She knows around 10-11 PM we lay in bed and watch TV. Lately, she's been falling asleep between the two of us and then we move her to her PnP. Sometimes she wakes up in the middle of the night hungry, sometimes she doesn't. Last night after her last feeding she woke up around the same time as my alarm was going off. Oh, and if she does wake up hungry, she's up for maybe 30 minutes to nurse, burp, and go back to bed!
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  • My friend has irish twins and she thought the older one was her last and didnt want to go through sleep training. She had done it with her older 3 and hated it. She really wished she did because on a good night the 1 yr old gets up once or twice and then she has a newborn that gets up frequently as well. Sleep training becomes harder the longer you wait.
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