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Would vegan butter be a deal-breaker for you? Clicky

From the "unreasonable?" post. First off I am in no way disrespecting the concern any mom would have for a child with allergies and I think that that specific situation should be able to be worked out easily so everyone is happy. 

But I'm a little hung up on the number of people who think it "won't taste any different" if you use vegan butter in mashed potatoes.  You all know I'm a health nut.  I trim fat out of foods all the times but I believe whole-heartedly in "everything in moderation."  I'm not against vegan butter, and heck I might even try it out as an every-day alternative.

But in my Turkey-day mashed potatoes?  You can peel that butter from my cold dead hands.

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  • I wouldn't mind using vegan butter; I'm always willing to try something new with my recipies. But I also typically use sour cream, milk and parmesan cheese in my mashed potatoes, which might negate the benefit of using vegan butter...
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  • We keep kosher in our home so when we ate having meat we use parve which means it has no dairy nor animal products in it. I don't love it it doesn't melt well but better then nothing.
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  • On Thanksgiving? FVCK YES it would be a dealbreaker.  It would be right up there with serving Tofurkey or sumshit.   

    Any other day of the year: No problem.  I'll eat it.

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  • I have been eating it for a few months due to DD's allergies and still BFing.  It honestly reminds me a lot of margarine.  Melts the same and tastes pretty much the same.  Not the same as real butter, but since our mashed potatoes don't usually have that much butter in them, I think it would be fine.  I'm not sure how I would feel about a milk substitute instead of real milk though in them.   I miss real milk.

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  • I never even had vegan butter : /   I would assume you could taste the difference like most things. It's just what you get use to.
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  • If I were hosting I would have no problem making a smaller batch of potatoes and cooking some other protein for someone with allergies so that they had food to eat too. I also wouldn't care if the host(ess) used vegan butter. But like I said, I'm vegetarian and used to eating that kind of "stuff" so I don't really know if the taste is THAT different from real butter.

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    On Thanksgiving? FVCK YES it would be a dealbreaker.  It would be right up there with serving Tofurkey or sumshit.   

    Any other day of the year: No problem.  I'll eat it.

    I knew you would have my back.  Knew it. 

    And I agree about the any-other-day-of-the-year part too. 

    Although I also agree with Sookie that if it came down to it I'd accomodate a relative if it was important...and then make myself my own non-vegan, buttery mashed potatoes for dessert after everyone left.

    I would make it for a relative, but I would not eat it.  There are some things you don't fvck with.  Thanksgiving Dinner is one of them. 

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  • We rarely use real butter at our house, so I voted that I wouldn't know the difference.

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  • I plan on bringing a few side dishes to Thanksgiving dinner that are made with vegan butter and without eggs/dairy/soy.  I will eat them and I am sure it will taste different, but fine.  I fully expect DH's family to turn their nose at them.  However, as I want my daughter to be able to eat something other than turkey I am bringing them anyway.  If his family complains, well, they should have brought something other than unsalted green beans and a veggie tray.

    I also plan on bringing a sweet potato casserole dish though that is made with everything in the world bad for you because it wouldn't be Thanksgiving without it.

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    On Thanksgiving? FVCK YES it would be a dealbreaker.  It would be right up there with serving Tofurkey or sumshit.   

    Any other day of the year: No problem.  I'll eat it.

    I knew you would have my back.  Knew it. 

    And I agree about the any-other-day-of-the-year part too. 

    Although I also agree with Sookie that if it came down to it I'd accomodate a relative if it was important...and then make myself my own non-vegan, buttery mashed potatoes for dessert after everyone left.

    Have you even every tried it? It melts and has a buttery flavor that is just the same. My H loves mashed potatoes and I mean LOVES! I made them with rice milk and vegan butter and he loved them. I think that you should try them and then come back and we will talk. I am not asking her to serve veggie burgers instead. If he was not allergic I could care less. I don't want her to change because I am trying to lose weight. I am asking her because her grandson is ALLERGIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 

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    Is vegan butter that gross? Never had it so I can't judge. I probably would mind. I like creamy, fatty potatoes, completely void of any nutritional value.

    "Healthy" and "Thanksgiving Dinner" should never be uttered in the same sentence. 

    EVER. 

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  • acceptable. Maybe. LIKED or ENJOYED... Probably not.

    Me personally would probably suck it up if my nephew couldn't eat something and things were changed. But I do feel like if that were my kid, I would just set aside some potaotes and deal with the meat (bring own or whatever)

    My aunt is gluten free and she brings her own pasta/dessert etc to every sunday dinner. My other aunt is vegatarian and has never once asked for anything to be changed. She eats what she can, brings what she likes and we try to have a fish for her during our steak meals.

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    On Thanksgiving? FVCK YES it would be a dealbreaker.  It would be right up there with serving Tofurkey or sumshit.   

    Any other day of the year: No problem.  I'll eat it.

    I knew you would have my back.  Knew it. 

    And I agree about the any-other-day-of-the-year part too. 

    Although I also agree with Sookie that if it came down to it I'd accomodate a relative if it was important...and then make myself my own non-vegan, buttery mashed potatoes for dessert after everyone left.

    Have you even every tried it? It melts and has a buttery flavor that is just the same. My H loves mashed potatoes and I mean LOVES! I made them with rice milk and vegan butter and he loved them. I think that you should try them and then come back and we will talk. I am not asking her to serve veggie burgers instead. If he was not allergic I could care less. I don't want her to change because I am trying to lose weight. I am asking her because her grandson is ALLERGIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 

    Yes, I have had it.  We've had meals prepared by vegan friends.  It doesn't taste the same.  

    I appreciate that your son has an allergy, but I also think that the amount of food your son is likely to eat makes it unreasonable to change an entire menu. 

    Butter (at least in my household) goes in everything, not just the mashed potatoes and turkey.  It's in the gravy, the vegetable, the pies, on the table for rolls, etc. and so forth. 

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    It would be a deal breaker for me. Vegan butter changes the taste completely so it basically ruins your recipe. And many vegan substitutes are processed and rarely healthy anyway. 

    I think we are at the stage where we are realizing that the world does not revolve around our children. If anyone, even my closest relative asked me to alter my thanksgiving day recipes for a 1 year old I would think it was pretty ballsy.  

    You with this age this is pissing me off! He is not going to be one forever!! He will get older! Just so you know babies are not babies forever! 

    I am asking her if she won't use vegan butter then leave it out of the turkey! If not then whatever!!! I would change for someone that I loved for cared about!! 

     

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    On Thanksgiving? FVCK YES it would be a dealbreaker.  It would be right up there with serving Tofurkey or sumshit.   

    Any other day of the year: No problem.  I'll eat it.

    I knew you would have my back.  Knew it. 

    And I agree about the any-other-day-of-the-year part too. 

    Although I also agree with Sookie that if it came down to it I'd accomodate a relative if it was important...and then make myself my own non-vegan, buttery mashed potatoes for dessert after everyone left.

    Have you even every tried it? It melts and has a buttery flavor that is just the same. My H loves mashed potatoes and I mean LOVES! I made them with rice milk and vegan butter and he loved them. I think that you should try them and then come back and we will talk. I am not asking her to serve veggie burgers instead. If he was not allergic I could care less. I don't want her to change because I am trying to lose weight. I am asking her because her grandson is ALLERGIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 

    Yes, I have had it.  We've had meals prepared by vegan friends.  It doesn't taste the same.  

    I appreciate that your son has an allergy, but I also think that the amount of food your son is likely to eat makes it unreasonable to change an entire menu. 

    Butter (at least in my household) goes in everything, not just the mashed potatoes and turkey.  It's in the gravy, the vegetable, the pies, on the table for rolls, etc. and so forth. 

    What about when he is older? So when he is older then they should try and change it? Or not even then? I am not trying to be a *** but the age thing it moot point!!! 

    I am not asking her to change the entire menu. Just a few things would be fine with me. Use butter in the pie, cake , rolls or whatever else. I am asking the turkey not be covered in butter. 

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  • I LOVE food and LOVE butter but if one of my family members had a life threatening allergy to something you can bet that I would make accomodations for them.  I would make an allergen free main entree for everyone and separate allergen free sides for that family member.
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    On Thanksgiving? FVCK YES it would be a dealbreaker.  It would be right up there with serving Tofurkey or sumshit.   

    Any other day of the year: No problem.  I'll eat it.

    I knew you would have my back.  Knew it. 

    And I agree about the any-other-day-of-the-year part too. 

    Although I also agree with Sookie that if it came down to it I'd accomodate a relative if it was important...and then make myself my own non-vegan, buttery mashed potatoes for dessert after everyone left.

    Have you even every tried it? It melts and has a buttery flavor that is just the same. My H loves mashed potatoes and I mean LOVES! I made them with rice milk and vegan butter and he loved them. I think that you should try them and then come back and we will talk. I am not asking her to serve veggie burgers instead. If he was not allergic I could care less. I don't want her to change because I am trying to lose weight. I am asking her because her grandson is ALLERGIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 

    Dude, did you read my comments?  This isn't about you.  Your post sparked a curiousity about how many people would truly "not taste the difference".  Enough exclamation points. 

    Yes I have had it.  I would even eat it sometimes.  But I taste the difference.  Sorry.

    If you say so. 

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    On Thanksgiving? FVCK YES it would be a dealbreaker.  It would be right up there with serving Tofurkey or sumshit.   

    Any other day of the year: No problem.  I'll eat it.

    Ya know.. I might have to change my tune a little... We usually do family dinner every sunday, so I think CG's right. If it were just for a family dinner one day, I'd try it. BUT I don't think Turkey Day is the day to try it. 

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    Is vegan butter that gross? Never had it so I can't judge. I probably would mind. I like creamy, fatty potatoes, completely void of any nutritional value.

    I make mashed red potatoes for holidays with the skins and all. Delicious and nutritious. That's what I tell myself when I am drowning them in butter and salt, anyway.

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    What about when he is older? So when he is older then they should try and change it? Or not even then? I am not trying to be a *** but the age thing it moot point!!! 

    I am not asking her to change the entire menu. Just a few things would be fine with me. Use butter in the pie, cake , rolls or whatever else. I am asking the turkey not be covered in butter. 

    The age thing is important, dude.  It is.  Does your child eat as much as you do on a regular basis?  Like as in volume of food.  Does he even like turkey and/or mashed potatoes? 

    I'm still on Team Bring Your Own Food. 

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    On Thanksgiving? FVCK YES it would be a dealbreaker.  It would be right up there with serving Tofurkey or sumshit.   

    Any other day of the year: No problem.  I'll eat it.

    I knew you would have my back.  Knew it. 

    And I agree about the any-other-day-of-the-year part too. 

    Although I also agree with Sookie that if it came down to it I'd accomodate a relative if it was important...and then make myself my own non-vegan, buttery mashed potatoes for dessert after everyone left.

    Have you even every tried it? It melts and has a buttery flavor that is just the same. My H loves mashed potatoes and I mean LOVES! I made them with rice milk and vegan butter and he loved them. I think that you should try them and then come back and we will talk. I am not asking her to serve veggie burgers instead. If he was not allergic I could care less. I don't want her to change because I am trying to lose weight. I am asking her because her grandson is ALLERGIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 

    Dude, did you read my comments?  This isn't about you.  Your post sparked a curiousity about how many people would truly "not taste the difference".  Enough exclamation points. 

    Yes I have had it.  I would even eat it sometimes.  But I taste the difference.  Sorry.

    If you say so. 

    I'm sorry that you're offended by my taste buds. 

     

    I am not offended by your taste buds. I don't care what you eat. I am just saying that it does not make that much of a taste difference. You don't agree and that is fine. I just don't think it is unreasonable to change a few things. That was the only point I was trying to make. 

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    On Thanksgiving? FVCK YES it would be a dealbreaker.  It would be right up there with serving Tofurkey or sumshit.   

    Any other day of the year: No problem.  I'll eat it.

    I knew you would have my back.  Knew it. 

    And I agree about the any-other-day-of-the-year part too. 

    Although I also agree with Sookie that if it came down to it I'd accomodate a relative if it was important...and then make myself my own non-vegan, buttery mashed potatoes for dessert after everyone left.

    Have you even every tried it? It melts and has a buttery flavor that is just the same. My H loves mashed potatoes and I mean LOVES! I made them with rice milk and vegan butter and he loved them. I think that you should try them and then come back and we will talk. I am not asking her to serve veggie burgers instead. If he was not allergic I could care less. I don't want her to change because I am trying to lose weight. I am asking her because her grandson is ALLERGIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 

    Dude, did you read my comments?  This isn't about you.  Your post sparked a curiousity about how many people would truly "not taste the difference".  Enough exclamation points. 

    Yes I have had it.  I would even eat it sometimes.  But I taste the difference.  Sorry.

    If you say so. 

    I'm sorry that you're offended by my taste buds. 

     

    I am not offended by your taste buds. I don't care what you eat. I am just saying that it does not make that much of a taste difference. You don't agree and that is fine. I just don't think it is unreasonable to change a few things. That was the only point I was trying to make. 

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  • Thanksgiving is a traditional food day in my family. My turkey day mashed pots have a stick of butter, cup sour cream, and milk. I'm not willing to change that. It's a once a year treat!
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    Is vegan butter that gross? Never had it so I can't judge. I probably would mind. I like creamy, fatty potatoes, completely void of any nutritional value.

    I make mashed red potatoes for holidays with the skins and all. Delicious and nutritious. That's what I tell myself when I am drowning them in butter and salt, anyway.

    BEST kind of mashed potatoes! YUM!!!

    Yep. My dad made them one year and I never looked back. If any of y'all ever make it to the Frackhouse home for Thanksgiving, you are getting mashed red potatoes with the skins mashed right in. :) That's how we roll.

    I make these a few times a month because they are my favorite way to eat potatoes (and I'm Irish, so I like my potatoes a lot of ways!).
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    What about when he is older? So when he is older then they should try and change it? Or not even then? I am not trying to be a *** but the age thing it moot point!!! 

    I am not asking her to change the entire menu. Just a few things would be fine with me. Use butter in the pie, cake , rolls or whatever else. I am asking the turkey not be covered in butter. 

    The age thing is important, dude.  It is.  Does your child eat as much as you do on a regular basis?  Like as in volume of food.  Does he even like turkey and/or mashed potatoes? 

    I'm still on Team Bring Your Own Food. 

    He likes them both. I know she will not change the food. It's cool. I will just make him his own little amount. We will just have to make him his own turkey to take with us. I am letting myself get all upset over nothing. I know he has allergies and I am going to have to be careful always. I just thought since it was her grandson she would not mind to make a few changes. If she does then that is something I will have to just deal with. It's not even that I care to make his food and it's not about the money or anything. I just thought it was something she would not mind to do.

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  • My son is allergic to dairy (and eggs and wheat) so I do use vegan butter.  But for Thanksgiving I will make a butter and milk version and a vegan butter version so that my son (and my vegan BIL) because I know my inlaws are a$$es and will pitch a fit.  Honestly though vegan butter doesn't taste all that much different and my husband had no clue until I told him. 


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  • On the taste issue alone, I prefer real butter. I've done the vegan butter thing for communal Thanksgivings, and I can tell the difference in the taste and the cooking properties.

    Second, I don't think margarine and oil-based "buttery spreads" are healthier than butter.  Butter has cream and maybe salt. Buttery spreads are full of processed and hydrogenated oils.

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  • I've never had vegan butter so it's hard to say but I would be willing to give it a shot.  I prefer sour cream in my mashed potatoes, so giving up the butter wouldn't be a huge deal to me.
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    I am beginning to think I'm the odd one out based on the responses in that post. Maybe it's growing up with a mother who has celiac disease before "gluten free" was a popular food choice. I've made more than one ER trip with my mom for food related gastrointestinal problems. I can't imagine caring that much about butter. I would just season the mashed potatoes with lots of roasted garlic and fresh cracked sea salt and pepper instead of trippin over some butter.

    I'm with you.

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  • Being gluten and dairy intolerant, I wouldn't exclude anyone from a part of an important dinner that I could help.  Even if it tastes a little bit different - I don't really notice the difference but I do totally believe that you do, is your getting to have your mashed potatoes this one way on this one day important enough to exclude the kiddo from enjoying with you?  And if it's that big of a deal, okay. Can you at least make two separate dishes, and mark them in some way?

     

    Edited to sound less snarky.  (DD was up a lot last night, I'm sick, and just crabby for no good reason.  No need to share it with you guys.)

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    Hermione, I can understand the frustration. It's not that you expect your MIL to make the changes. You asked, she said no, and that's fine, you'll just bring Crosby his own stuff. It's the fact that she will minimize his allergies and act like you're a stuffy biitch for not letting him eat what she prepares that has you so frazzled.

    I get it.

     

    Thank you. That is what I was trying to say. I just got a little over emotional. It has been a little hard to adjust to, but we are getting there.

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  • I was vegan for about 5 years...I still prefer to use the vegan margarine I used then over real butter for a lot of thing. 

    I do usually use real butter in baking or in mashed potatoes, but I wouldn't be opposed to the vegan stuff at all!

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  • Honestly, I say if you want something special for your LO, then make it and bring it.  My cousin is deathly allergic to everything and for years my aunt did just that.  Cousin is now 40 and still brings her own Thanksgiving meal.

    Also, by bringing your own, you know that LO's food isn't touching other food with regular butter in it. Some allergies can be triggered by that too (even if you don't actually eat the food with the real butter).  I'm sure this is annoying.

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