I'm starting drama (I'm sorry)

artygirl · August 2011

Indifferent

Oh my, you should be sorry for starting drama of this nature.

I don't know that I have EVER seen an original post that is this mean-spirited.

trr8203 · August 2011

I don't come over to this board very often anymore, and when I do I just lurk, but I do like to check in on some of the people I used to "know" over here. That being said, I have one thing to say to Davez: You could easily put an end to this discussion if you did something so simple as post an ultrasound picture- with your name and the date- that shows 3 babies in your uterus. Right?

And I'd also like to throw in the fact that I agree with M$B.

emiannie · August 2011

crystalgirl:
Everything you went through was truly horrific, and my heart still aches that you had to go through something like that. But I don't think a post like this is beneficial in any way.

I, for one, do believe every word she has said. If she's playing us, she's the best actor/writer EVER and should win an award! I absolutely don't believe that's the case.

This exactly and I have nothing else to say.

AuburnBride06 · August 2011

Million$$Baby:
CBL:

But doesn't she know other girls on here IRL? She did a vacation IVF cycle with ChristaKim (I think that's the name) and someone else was watching Ava during her ultrasound. How would you account for that? Are they all in on it too or being duped.

I'm not trying to be rude to you, M$B, because despite my lack of posts, I've been here a long time and know you're not one to start drama. I'm just looking for the evidence that's lead you to this conclusion. Maybe sharing it would actually help.

I'm not saying that Davez isn't who she says she is, or that she's not doing IVF. I do believe that she's battling infertility, researching her ass off, etc. What I don't believe is the way that all the pregnancy attempts play out. I think the attempts are real but the outcomes are fake, if that makes sense.

And I appreciate that many of you are being kind to me. This post has nothing to do with any pain I may be in (Davez experiences, real or not, are nothing like my own and therefore do not upset me on that level) and I've long forgotten about the comments "Davez" made on my blog. This really was just a matter of being annoyed by something to the point of speaking out.

So you think the m/c's are/were all fake? How come? Is it b/c there are just so many? or because there isn't an exact cause? or was it the "debate" on how many to transfer? I can understand how someone's first reaction/assumption to so many losses would be like yours....I mean, how much bad luck can happen to a person? a ton, I'm afraid. I'm just wondering why you think the pregnancy outcomes are fake. It makes me wonder if people wondered if mine (although not quite as many as Davez) were false as well. I guess after having been through it, I'm struggling to believe that people would actually doubt stories of loss.

JourneyToBaby · August 2011

100% real or 100% fake, I am prepared.

Unless you're buddies IRL everything you read here is just a story. If its Fiction, I'm ok with that.

SaucySarie · August 2011

I'm not on TB all that much, but every now and then when I am on, it seems like there is always Davez drama...

I agree w/ Million$$Baby- that her outcomes of said pregnancies seem fake. And I also think that it takes being/having been on the multiples board to SEE all the crazies who make up stories about having and losing multiples to fully understand why this was probably the straw that broke the camel's back for Million$$Baby.

amberleeb · August 2011

ESTH2000:
CBL:

But doesn't she know other girls on here IRL? She did a vacation IVF cycle with ChristaKim (I think that's the name) and someone else was watching Ava during her ultrasound. How would you account for that? Are they all in on it too or being duped.
I'm not trying to be rude to you, M$B, because despite my lack of posts, I've been here a long time and know you're not one to start drama. I'm just looking for the evidence that's lead you to this conclusion. Maybe sharing it would actually help.
This is true. I was going to point this out too but figured Davez didn't need my defending her. Glad you brought it up though.

I just had a GTG with Davez today and she is a very sweet lady!

UsedToBeGoldie · August 2011

amberleeb:
Just because your hurting does not mean you need to try to hurt someone else when they finally have some good news!

She's not posting because she is hurting- trust me - i know her well and that is far from the reason.

There are MANY people who feel the way she does --- MANY. I suspect she'll get a ton of PM's from people who don't have the balls to post it on here - saying they felt the same way she has for a long time, etc.

I know many women that were regulars on this board who have left because they can't stand the drama caused by DW and how she has such a gaggle of followers... every other post is about her - and it gets quite old - esp when many don't even believe it's all real.

As for "who would have the time?" or "why would anyone fake such things?" - well, once you have spent a few years on the multiples board- you'll see that MANY people have the time, the knowledge, and odd desire to fake such things. We have called out many people for doing it - on our board - and in blogs... some of the blogs using photos of OUR children from the multiples board - trying to pass them off as their own children. One even used a photo with one of us IN the photo- and said it was an aunt - really?? There are some crazies out there - so NEVER assume that everything is as it seems online.

We even had someone on the NJ local board who faked a LOT of us into believing her story... she had us all fooled because she talked a lot about her 9/11 experience, which is close to all of our hearts in NJ.... so many of us were fooled- until someone who knew her IRL called her out. We were all disgsted and angry - the betrayal we felt was real... and sadly- I fear many of you will feel that someday here... because what DW claims to be going through is close to your heart.

Who knows who is right? Only time will tell... but just keep your mind open - to know that things are NOT always what they seem to be... and you could get hurt if you invest too much time, emotion, and friendship with someone online that you can't 100% know to be legit.

Kudos to you, Million$$Baby - you know we love you!!

epphd · August 2011

trr8203:

I don't come over to this board very often anymore, and when I do I just lurk, but I do like to check in on some of the people I used to "know" over here. That being said, I have one thing to say to Davez: You could easily put an end to this discussion if you did something so simple as post an ultrasound picture- with your name and the date- that shows 3 babies in your uterus. Right?

And I'd also like to throw in the fact that I agree with M$B.

Honestly, that's not a fair request. Nor would it prove anything - people post fake u/s every day. I do think it's reasonable to take what anyone says on a website with a healthy dose of skepticism, but to generally assume most are honest. Most people really are.

We are a tight knit group, and any sort of "betrayal" would be very painful. As much as I've disagreed with Davez in the past, however, I think it's unfair to ask that she prove her story.

alchris · August 2011

Crying

I'm not defending everything Tracie has said over the years, not by a long shot, but in the last couple years she's become a damn good, loyal friend. I don't believe for a split second that she made up years' worth of medical history/research/treatment and the emotions to go with it.

My heart breaks for too many women here -- friends -- who have gone through more than one should ever have to. While we're all human, I wish we could all be there for each other at the lowest lows *and* at the highest highs.

AuburnBride06 · August 2011

It sounds like you guys are insinuating and/or believe that Davez "MO" is lying about losing multiples...the multiples loss was the set of twins and to my knowledge (sorry DW if I'm not rememberly correctly) there hasn't been any other multiple losses.

You know, regardless, the more I read & the more random people that come out of the bushes, the more ridiculous this gets. What did you gals do, rally your peeps from other boards to come & support your opinions? people that have no idea WTF the history here is?

And I agree, she doesn't have to prove ***. Those of us who choose to believe & support her will. Again, if you don't like her or think she is full of ***, ignore her. Don't veil call outs with fake apologies. Whatever happened to giving people the benefit of the doubt? Million$ you said something to the effect of the off chance she is for real...then WHY do such a pointless post? Why try and put a cloud over some great news that has been a very long time coming? You are not a mean person, so I don't understand why you had to be so mean spirited...given you don't know for a fact if she has told the truth or not.

ESTH2000 · August 2011

UsedToBeGoldie:

amberleeb:
Just because your hurting does not mean you need to try to hurt someone else when they finally have some good news!

She's not posting because she is hurting- trust me - i know her well and that is far from the reason.

There are MANY people who feel the way she does --- MANY. I suspect she'll get a ton of PM's from people who don't have the balls to post it on here - saying they felt the same way she has for a long time, etc.

I know many women that were regulars on this board who have left because they can't stand the drama caused by DW and how she has such a gaggle of followers... every other post is about her - and it gets quite old - esp when many don't even believe it's all real.

As for "who would have the time?" or "why would anyone fake such things?" - well, once you have spent a few years on the multiples board- you'll see that MANY people have the time, the knowledge, and odd desire to fake such things. We have called out many people for doing it - on our board - and in blogs... some of the blogs using photos of OUR children from the multiples board - trying to pass them off as their own children. One even used a photo with one of us IN the photo- and said it was an aunt - really?? There are some crazies out there - so NEVER assume that everything is as it seems online.

We even had someone on the NJ local board who faked a LOT of us into believing her story... she had us all fooled because she talked a lot about her 9/11 experience, which is close to all of our hearts in NJ.... so many of us were fooled- until someone who knew her IRL called her out. We were all disgsted and angry - the betrayal we felt was real... and sadly- I fear many of you will feel that someday here... because what DW claims to be going through is close to your heart.

Who knows who is right? Only time will tell... but just keep your mind open - to know that things are NOT always what they seem to be... and you could get hurt if you invest too much time, emotion, and friendship with someone online that you can't 100% know to be legit.

Kudos to you, Million$$Baby - you know we love you!!

As someone already posted above, we are all grown women and understand the reality (or non-reality) of a public message board. The problem is that just because you feel or believe something is not true, it doesn't merit a post insinuating all others have been duped.

We all know there is a small group that doesn't like Davez and that is fine. To each his own. I never understood why it bothers some people that another poster has many "followers"?????

At the end of the day, to post something of this gravity based on feelings just isn't right!

susanc07 · August 2011

AuburnBride06:
Germanwife2b:

charmcitygirl:

This. I consider her one of my friends. She is around as a supporter for me thru emails, facebook and texts (and at all hours of the night). I have never doubted her story. I don't think the knowledge that comes out of this woman can be fabricated by someone who just has too much time on her hands. This is someone who researchers her condition(s) to an extreme. Just don't believe that someone would do all of this to get a rise out of some message board.

Exactly. When you lose baby after baby like Davez & I and some others have, you research, you look at and even see specialist after specialist, you delve into anything and everything that could remotely be a cause and a cure...as weird and "out there" as it may seem. Unfortunately the knowledge that Davez has pretty much ONLY comes from losing tons of babies or being a specialized Dr.

I have to disagree with you here. Not saying Davez is or isn't lying, b/c I have no way of knowing that - just saying that I'm a pretty damn good researcher. Having battled infertility for years, I have plenty of resources on many issues, not only on my own issues but ones that I have never personally dealt with.

ETA - My point is that, if I wanted to, I'm pretty sure I could realistically fake any number of things on the interwebz.

Oh, and this:

kittylove:

Now I feel really bad about having supported you. This is low, if you feel this way about someone. Do us a favor and keep it to yourself, okay?

is disgusting.

AuburnBride06 · August 2011

susanc07:
AuburnBride06:
Germanwife2b:

charmcitygirl:

This. I consider her one of my friends. She is around as a supporter for me thru emails, facebook and texts (and at all hours of the night). I have never doubted her story. I don't think the knowledge that comes out of this woman can be fabricated by someone who just has too much time on her hands. This is someone who researchers her condition(s) to an extreme. Just don't believe that someone would do all of this to get a rise out of some message board.

Exactly. When you lose baby after baby like Davez & I and some others have, you research, you look at and even see specialist after specialist, you delve into anything and everything that could remotely be a cause and a cure...as weird and "out there" as it may seem. Unfortunately the knowledge that Davez has pretty much ONLY comes from losing tons of babies or being a specialized Dr.

I have to disagree with you here. Not saying Davez is or isn't lying, b/c I have no way of knowing that - just saying that I'm a pretty damn good researcher. Having battled infertility for years, I have plenty of resources on many issues, not only on my own issues but ones that I have never dealt with.

ETA - My point is that, if I wanted to, I'm pretty sure I could realistically fake any number of things on the interwebz.

Oh, and this:

kittylove:

Now I feel really bad about having supported you. This is low, if you feel this way about someone. Do us a favor and keep it to yourself, okay?

is disgusting.

yea, anybody can research, sure. But to actually think that someone would randomly look up as specific issues as Davez & I have dealt with, for the sole purpose of lying about it???? That just seems like a stretch and is the reason a claim like the one that has been made likely stems from some kind of "personal" (as one can be on the internet) issue with Davez.

desabean · August 2011

I've been debating on whether or not to respond to this.

This post makes me so incredibly sad. I've never met either of you but I feel like I know you both and it actually hurts me to think of someone making this stuff up and of course it also hurts to think of a person really going through it and not being believed. I am not a drama queen but I am so sad about this post.

With that said, I guess she could be lying. I guess a lot of us could be. It is certainly possible and I don't have the access to medical records or a crystal ball to make that determination.

So at this point I will just say that while I have never met Davez, she has been a really great supporter of me. When my Dad died and I mentioned it on here (not on its own post but in a post about something else) she was the only person to respond about his death. She pm'd me on FB to check in on me and she checked in on FB with me several times post my m/c and during my recent IVFs. I guess she could be a sick liar-- but I think she is a good person and tries to be a good friend even if she doesn't really need to and that's enough for me right now.

FWIW, I think you seem to be a really good person to and I'm sure you had your reasons for posting this, I just really hope this isn't going to be something that divides the board. We are so much stronger together than apart and I'd much rather use the energy I have to support one another than tear each other down.

PeachyKate · August 2011

susanc07:
AuburnBride06:
Germanwife2b:

charmcitygirl:

This. I consider her one of my friends. She is around as a supporter for me thru emails, facebook and texts (and at all hours of the night). I have never doubted her story. I don't think the knowledge that comes out of this woman can be fabricated by someone who just has too much time on her hands. This is someone who researchers her condition(s) to an extreme. Just don't believe that someone would do all of this to get a rise out of some message board.

Exactly. When you lose baby after baby like Davez & I and some others have, you research, you look at and even see specialist after specialist, you delve into anything and everything that could remotely be a cause and a cure...as weird and "out there" as it may seem. Unfortunately the knowledge that Davez has pretty much ONLY comes from losing tons of babies or being a specialized Dr.

I have to disagree with you here. Not saying Davez is or isn't lying, b/c I have no way of knowing that - just saying that I'm a pretty damn good researcher. Having battled infertility for years, I have plenty of resources on many issues, not only on my own issues but ones that I have never personally dealt with.

ETA - My point is that, if I wanted to, I'm pretty sure I could realistically fake any number of things on the interwebz.

Oh, and this:

kittylove:

Now I feel really bad about having supported you. This is low, if you feel this way about someone. Do us a favor and keep it to yourself, okay?

is disgusting.

I'm picking up what you are putting down. As someone else said unless you know someone IRL for all we know it's all fiction and that's ok, it's a message board. Hell, I could be some crazy ass lying liar and no one would ever know. People are sick so again I am not saying anyone here is but it is not out of the realm of possibility that someone would research these things and post on the board.

The only thing that really bothers me about this thread is kittylove's response.

Mouseygail · August 2011

desabean:
I've been debating on whether or not to respond to this.
This post makes me so incredibly sad. I've never met either of you but I feel like I know you both and it actually hurts me to think of someone making this stuff up and of course it also hurts to think of a person really going through it and not being believed. I am not a drama queen but I am so sad about this post.
With that said, I guess she could be lying. I guess a lot of us could be. It is certainly possible and I don't have the access to medical records or a crystal ball to make that determination.
So at this point I will just say that while I have never met Davez, she has been a really great supporter of me. When my Dad died and I mentioned it on here (not on its own post but in a post about something else) she was the only person to respond about his death. She pm'd me on FB to check in on me and she checked in on FB with me several times post my m/c and during my recent IVFs. I guess she could be a sick liar-- but I think she is a good person and tries to be a good friend even if she doesn't really need to and that's enough for me right now.
FWIW, I think you seem to be a really good person to and I'm sure you had your reasons for posting this, I just really hope this isn't going to be something that divides the board. We are so much stronger together than apart and I'd much rather use the energy I have to support one another than tear each other down.

hooliface · August 2011

Davez, I am sorry you are going through this. Please don't let it get to you. As you know, stress right now it SO not needed.

For others, I agree with the vast majority of posters on here. Davez has always been there for me, answered my questions, and has been a real support to me. I hope that I have been to her as well. I really do know what it is like to have one bad thing after another to you & well, it's not fun and not made up. If someone wanted to make up things like that, then they have many more problems then infertility! I am confident that what she says is true.

As another poster mentioned, she did go on a ivf vacation with a fellow member. I just don't know why people have to start crap on a place where we should be supporting one another and being happy for their recent successes.

Hang in there Davez

alchris · August 2011

Mouseygail:
desabean:
I've been debating on whether or not to respond to this.
This post makes me so incredibly sad. I've never met either of you but I feel like I know you both and it actually hurts me to think of someone making this stuff up and of course it also hurts to think of a person really going through it and not being believed. I am not a drama queen but I am so sad about this post.
With that said, I guess she could be lying. I guess a lot of us could be. It is certainly possible and I don't have the access to medical records or a crystal ball to make that determination.
So at this point I will just say that while I have never met Davez, she has been a really great supporter of me. When my Dad died and I mentioned it on here (not on its own post but in a post about something else) she was the only person to respond about his death. She pm'd me on FB to check in on me and she checked in on FB with me several times post my m/c and during my recent IVFs. I guess she could be a sick liar-- but I think she is a good person and tries to be a good friend even if she doesn't really need to and that's enough for me right now.
FWIW, I think you seem to be a really good person to and I'm sure you had your reasons for posting this, I just really hope this isn't going to be something that divides the board. We are so much stronger together than apart and I'd much rather use the energy I have to support one another than tear each other down.

Another Yes on everything here. I'm so very sorry that you didn't get support from more of us, S -- I hope you will accept belated love and hugs.

stepgirl21 · August 2011

This post makes me sad.

AlissaCell701 · August 2011

Mouseygail:
desabean:

I've been debating on whether or not to respond to this.

This post makes me so incredibly sad. I've never met either of you but I feel like I know you both and it actually hurts me to think of someone making this stuff up and of course it also hurts to think of a person really going through it and not being believed. I am not a drama queen but I am so sad about this post.

With that said, I guess she could be lying. I guess a lot of us could be. It is certainly possible and I don't have the access to medical records or a crystal ball to make that determination.

So at this point I will just say that while I have never met Davez, she has been a really great supporter of me. When my Dad died and I mentioned it on here (not on its own post but in a post about something else) she was the only person to respond about his death. She pm'd me on FB to check in on me and she checked in on FB with me several times post my m/c and during my recent IVFs. I guess she could be a sick liar-- but I think she is a good person and tries to be a good friend even if she doesn't really need to and that's enough for me right now.

FWIW, I think you seem to be a really good person to and I'm sure you had your reasons for posting this, I just really hope this isn't going to be something that divides the board. We are so much stronger together than apart and I'd much rather use the energy I have to support one another than tear each other down.

This is the most logical thing said so far..I don't normally respond to these post. But this one was very well put..

AuburnBride06 · August 2011

stepgirl21:
This post makes me sad.

Yes

Yep. That's why posts like these shouldn't even be made. This board is bigger than that. Regardless of any thing that was said, it really cheapens the understanding we all have for each other. Many of us have no one "IRL" who can understand & that's what makes this place & the relationships here so special.

MBandBud · August 2011

I don't post often but I want to support M$B. I speculated this months ago but felt wrong for thinking that way and just tried to avoid the drama. I get why this current reality set you off. I commend you for speaking up and getting people to think and draw their own conclusion. I hope it gets people thinking. I was trying to find a way to contact you and commend you for having the courage to speak up, but then thought it cowardly of me not to just speak out amidst the responses. I am glad there are people like you noble enough to voice your opinion even if it goes agaist the grain.

wille2b · August 2011

CBL:

But doesn't she know other girls on here IRL? She did a vacation IVF cycle with ChristaKim (I think that's the name) and someone else was watching Ava during her ultrasound. How would you account for that? Are they all in on it too or being duped.

I'm not trying to be rude to you, M$B, because despite my lack of posts, I've been here a long time and know you're not one to start drama. I'm just looking for the evidence that's lead you to this conclusion. Maybe sharing it would actually help.

this, i know her and LOVE her, she would NEVER make this up.. i am not even going to respond with any of the things i would like to say to you!! this post was ABSURD! she has gone through all of this and this is all you can do? make some sh*t up about her faking it! your ridiculous.

JessandJeremy · August 2011

desabean:
I've been debating on whether or not to respond to this.
This post makes me so incredibly sad. I've never met either of you but I feel like I know you both and it actually hurts me to think of someone making this stuff up and of course it also hurts to think of a person really going through it and not being believed. I am not a drama queen but I am so sad about this post.
With that said, I guess she could be lying. I guess a lot of us could be. It is certainly possible and I don't have the access to medical records or a crystal ball to make that determination.
So at this point I will just say that while I have never met Davez, she has been a really great supporter of me. When my Dad died and I mentioned it on here (not on its own post but in a post about something else) she was the only person to respond about his death. She pm'd me on FB to check in on me and she checked in on FB with me several times post my m/c and during my recent IVFs. I guess she could be a sick liar-- but I think she is a good person and tries to be a good friend even if she doesn't really need to and that's enough for me right now.
FWIW, I think you seem to be a really good person to and I'm sure you had your reasons for posting this, I just really hope this isn't going to be something that divides the board. We are so much stronger together than apart and I'd much rather use the energy I have to support one another than tear each other down.

I'm just catching up and I couldn't have said Desa's response better if I tried.

Mrs.Reem · August 2011

I'll go ahead and say that with certainty Davez isn't lying.

I think it's fine to have ill feelings and I respect most of the angles here. However, I don't think it's fine to write such hateful words *about anyone* without any sort of proof. A hunch isn't worth the drama and hurt it causes. We're adults. We don't need protecting. We can watch out for ourselves individually.

There are a handful of people on this board who seem to have drama beyond regular drama follow them. Shall we just call them out too, whether it's true drama or drama caused by themselves? No. Maybe we should just ignore them instead. There will always be people you do and don't get along with. Don't waste your energy on the people you don't like. Focus it on cheering for the people you do. It's more beneficial to everyone.

dundasgirl · August 2011

Mrs.Reem:

There are a handful of people on this board who seem to have drama beyond regular drama follow them. Shall we just call them out too, whether it's true drama or drama caused by themselves? No. Maybe we should just ignore them instead. There will always be people you do and don't get along with. Don't waste your energy on the people you don't like. Focus it on cheering for the people you do. It's more beneficial to everyone.

Can I ditto that?

sommerrayne · August 2011

A) You're not sorry.

Whose business is it yours if she is lying? You're "looking out for good women", please! Who says they are good women? You clearly have a cohort of supporters so why don't you just meet in your secret "behind the playground slide" place and bash people for their station in life however it is you judge that. Its not your role in this world to pontificate to people who they should or shouldn't believe. I don't care if Tracie is the biggest lying freak on this earth, this is NOT YOUR PLACE to do this cosmically speaking. You are not the judge and the jury, despite your solid confidence in the contrary.

C) You don't post here anymore. You don't come here anymore. You have another "home" on these boards. Are you welcome here? Well, until today, SURE! But what business is it of yours to come and stir drama for drama sake?

D) Are we not all assumiung that we are adults who have critical thinking skills? If you believe she's lying don't donate to the non-existant "lets support Davez children" fund! She's never asked for anything - ANYTHING from anyone. She's never held fundraisers for IVF or adoption (like other board members have in the past), she's never solicited anything but written advice/input, she's never opened a paypal account to have $ transfered to her for the "supposed" thousands of dollars worth of treatments she's gotten. People who lie for benefit actually BENEFIT, no? Sure there are people who are pathological but they don't have longevity. They pathologically move onto something else when one thing gets passe.

E) I've never had anything but compassion for you M$B, your road has been littered with crazy out of the blue shocking sh!t to have to deal with and for that I have prayed for you, for your little ones, for your marriage to withstand the strain of everything you've gone through, for your husband to be and receive the support he's needed to cope and come out as unscathed as possible. But you need to stop. What would Jesus tell you (not as GOD'S son born from some mystical vagina but as a cool a$$ guy who lived to be a teacher to people)? Sure, he would say "be unto your brothers as you'd have done unto you" so I get that you're, in a very misguided way, trying to spare people some sort of potential heartache but He would also say, DO NO HARM. Move forward. Go concentrate on your own children. Focus on being a living example of how you want people to treat eachother, how you want them to see you behave. Behave with grace and dignity. Behave with honor and respect. Regardless what you feel about Tracie your words, actions, and behaviors here lack grace, dignity, honor, and respect. You don't have to respect her but you should really respect yourself and everyone else here by not partaking in these catty, classless, rude, and melodramatic pontification.

TripMomma · August 2011

I do not post here much but I do lurk, and have questioned the truth in all the Davez drama myself. We will never know if it's all true or not, but I don't think there is anything wrong with a post reminding us to keep our eyes open. For those of you who say you do not know how anyone would have the time or desire to be a faker...it happens ALL THE TIME. The level varies...some just tell little lies, others bigger and others even bigger. We had a women faking that she had triplets, then faked that they had a house fire and the triplets died. Heck last year in my own RL moms of multiples club we had a lady ask to join saying that her twins were due any day...you all may have heard of her she lured an 8mo pregnant woman from CL to her home beat her to death and tried to cut her baby out of her...both the mother and baby died. Crazy people are everywhere...and many of them are not only smart enough to research any given topic on line but have that special quality that allows them to suck people in. So I would NEVER be upset at anyone who cared for me enough to throw out a "keep your eyes open" post. I would take it under advisement and then come to my own conclusion.

lrrb · August 2011

JourneyToBaby:
100% real or 100% fake, I am prepared.
Unless you're buddies IRL everything you read here is just a story. If its Fiction, I'm ok with that.

I think this pretty much describes how I feel about this situation. We are on the internet it could all be real or it could all be fake but we will never know. And I'm totally fine with that too. Lets all have a group hug...

PeachyKate · August 2011

sommerrayne:

C) You don't post here anymore. You don't come here anymore. You have another "home" on these boards. Are you welcome here? Well, until today, SURE! But what business is it of yours to come and stir drama for drama sake?

but telling her until after today she isn't welcome, well that is just super classy!

sommerrayne · August 2011

PeachyKate:

sommerrayne:

C) You don't post here anymore. You don't come here anymore. You have another "home" on these boards. Are you welcome here? Well, until today, SURE! But what business is it of yours to come and stir drama for drama sake?

but telling her until after today she isn't welcome, well that is just super classy!

I don't think anyone here would say that abuse of a fellow board member is welcome or acceptable.

MerryMarisa · August 2011

sommerrayne:
PeachyKate:

sommerrayne:

C) You don't post here anymore. You don't come here anymore. You have another "home" on these boards. Are you welcome here? Well, until today, SURE! But what business is it of yours to come and stir drama for drama sake?

but telling her until after today she isn't welcome, well that is just super classy!

I don't think anyone here would say that abuse of a fellow board member is welcome or acceptable.

I have to say I agree with PeachyKate on this. We are all entitled to voice our opinions and I don't think anything M$B said was abusive.

mommyof4boys · August 2011

sommerrayne:
PeachyKate:

sommerrayne:

C) You don't post here anymore. You don't come here anymore. You have another "home" on these boards. Are you welcome here? Well, until today, SURE! But what business is it of yours to come and stir drama for drama sake?

but telling her until after today she isn't welcome, well that is just super classy!

I don't think anyone here would say that abuse of a fellow board member is welcome or acceptable.

Again, I remember a time when everyone on the board was annoyed with DW. I have to say telling someone that you won't welcome them on this board is a bit absurd. I know M$B had debated over this for some time. There are many who agree with her but didn't have the balls to do what she did. Good for her for speaking up!

MerryMarisa · August 2011

mommyof4boys:
sommerrayne:
PeachyKate:

sommerrayne:

C) You don't post here anymore. You don't come here anymore. You have another "home" on these boards. Are you welcome here? Well, until today, SURE! But what business is it of yours to come and stir drama for drama sake?

but telling her until after today she isn't welcome, well that is just super classy!

I don't think anyone here would say that abuse of a fellow board member is welcome or acceptable.

Again, I remember a time when everyone on the board was annoyed with DW. I have to say telling someone that you won't welcome them on this board is a bit absurd. I know M$B had debated over this for some time. There are many who agree with her but didn't have the balls to do what she did. Good for her for speaking up!

Fully agree with this.

crystalgirl · August 2011

MerryMarisa:
sommerrayne:
PeachyKate:

sommerrayne:

C) You don't post here anymore. You don't come here anymore. You have another "home" on these boards. Are you welcome here? Well, until today, SURE! But what business is it of yours to come and stir drama for drama sake?

but telling her until after today she isn't welcome, well that is just super classy!

I don't think anyone here would say that abuse of a fellow board member is welcome or acceptable.

I have to say I agree with PeachyKate on this. We are all entitled to voice our opinions and I don't think anything M$B said was abusive.

The only way it's NOT abusive is if it's true. Even she says she doesn't have proof.

At best this post says we're all too big of idiots to think for ourselves, so we need someone more enlightened to educate us.

At worst, it is a vile, heartless attack.

sommerrayne · August 2011

mommyof4boys:
sommerrayne:
PeachyKate:

sommerrayne:

C) You don't post here anymore. You don't come here anymore. You have another "home" on these boards. Are you welcome here? Well, until today, SURE! But what business is it of yours to come and stir drama for drama sake?

but telling her until after today she isn't welcome, well that is just super classy!

I don't think anyone here would say that abuse of a fellow board member is welcome or acceptable.

Again, I remember a time when everyone on the board was annoyed with DW. I have to say telling someone that you won't welcome them on this board is a bit absurd. I know M$B had debated over this for some time. There are many who agree with her but didn't have the balls to do what she did. Good for her for speaking up!

Calling someone a liar without proof, ripping their journey to shreds because "you have a feeling", deciding you need to "warn people" about someone without basis is abusive in my opinion.

I can see how you'd disagree with me since you are in Camp M$B. Totally understandable but when you boil it down and skim off the fat, its abusive, inappropriate, and uncalled for.......and franly, unwelcome.

crystalgirl · August 2011

I also have to say (though I should be biting my tongue...as many of today should) that all the people who are PRAISING this post are making me want to vomit.

WHY do you think it's a good idea to spew hatred?? Even if you feel this way, PLEASE, kept it to yourself!

PeachyKate · August 2011

It's a frigging message board! Last time I checked there wasn't one person who could decide who could and couldn't post here. It wasn't until, what, 73 replies that sommerayne stated she was no longer welcome. Using my awesome deduction skills that would mean that even people were upset, not even Davez herself said don't come back to the board.

and while I am on it. Another thing that is killing me right now is that just a few weeks ago when sliz posted I think it may even have been Davez that started a new post and said that we should be lifting each other up. So if we are going by that philosophy which by the way is a good one then one would think instead of going into a tirade you might stop and think that maybe M$B is having a hard time and instead of telling her she is no longer welcome you might go deeper to find out what is going on.

or maybe not.

sommerrayne · August 2011

PeachyKate:

It's a frigging message board! Last time I checked there wasn't one person who could decide who could and couldn't post here. It wasn't until, what, 73 replies that sommerayne stated she was no longer welcome. Using my awesome deduction skills that would mean that even people were upset, not even Davez herself said don't come back to the board.

and while I am on it. Another thing that is killing me right now is that just a few weeks ago when sliz posted I think it may even have been Davez that started a new post and said that we should be lifting each other up. So if we are going by that philosophy which by the way is a good one then one would think instead of going into a tirade you might stop and think that maybe M$B is having a hard time and instead of telling her she is no longer welcome you might go deeper to find out what is going on.

or maybe not.

I think the "tirade" was initated by the original post. And I think the sentiment of, "We feel sorry that you're hurting so..." has been expressed. M$B has refuted such speculations (although, one might argue that those who are hurting so deeply can't see the err of their ways regardless....). No, I PERSONALLY don't feel this sort of behavior is welcome here. We are a close knit community that is centered around support. M$B isn't supportive - in fact, the contrary. She can do whatever she wants. No one is policing her actions, including her.

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