~UNpopular Opinion Thursday ~

mollybloom · June 2011

ar78:
LaComtesse:

While this opinion isn't so unpopular in my neck of the woods...

I'm absolutely thrilled that gay marriage was legalized in New York and I hope it is an idicator of national legislation in the near future.

Amen. Legit, I'm hoping that this will be the shape of things to come. I worry though---some really traditionally strongly liberal places in the midwest (MN, WI) seem to be moving more to the right. However, as soon as those baby boomers are gone...

I love you girls. I am so thrilled that this passed in NY. I don't get how people think this is going to weaken heteosexual marriage. The divorce rate is already over 50%. Straight people are messing up the institution of marriage just fine on their own.

Agree with Womancake on the misconception of women that want batural births.

I have mixed feelings on the obesity thing. I have struggled with my weight all my life. If I am being completely honest with myself, most of my struggles can be placed squarely at my feet. I like fried foods, I like ice cream, I adore chocolate. However, I try not to have them too often. Even when I would go through psycho dieting phases, it is extremely hard for me to lose weight.

But I agree with the point that, generally, people are healthier when they eat right and are active (I do not think that you need to be a size 2 to meet this criteria). There are many people that do not take care of themselves at all and then glamorize their weight as being curvy and womanly. I get that this is in response to the barrage of images that showcase size 2 women as the ideal. Saying that they are proud of their size 24 "curves" sounds like a defense mechanism. However, it does send just as unhealthy a massage as the 6 foot tall, 105 pound supermodels send. Extremes are not healthy, but there is a lot of wiggle room in between the extremes.

Unfortunately, this debate is missing the most important element and that is that the number does not matter. The focus should be on the health of individuals, not the number on the scale.

boxtonmom1014 · June 2011

Mrs.K23:
Interesting tidbit I learned on the radio this morning. If you were in a same sex marriage in CA before prop 8, you file your state taxes as a married couple but your federal taxes as a single person. Messed up. Hoping the rest of the country catches up soon!

Actually, here in MA where same sex marriage is legal, same sex married couples still can not file their federal tax returns as "married". Huh?

womancake · June 2011

mollybloom:
ar78:
LaComtesse:

While this opinion isn't so unpopular in my neck of the woods...

I'm absolutely thrilled that gay marriage was legalized in New York and I hope it is an idicator of national legislation in the near future.

Amen. Legit, I'm hoping that this will be the shape of things to come. I worry though---some really traditionally strongly liberal places in the midwest (MN, WI) seem to be moving more to the right. However, as soon as those baby boomers are gone...

I love you girls. I am so thrilled that this passed in NY. I don't get how people think this is going to weaken heteosexual marriage. The divorce rate is already over 50%. Straight people are messing up the institution of marriage just fine on their own.

Agree with Womancake on the misconception of women that want batural births.

I have mixed feelings on the obesity thing. I have struggled with my weight all my life. If I am being completely honest with myself, most of my struggles can be placed squarely at my feet. I like fried foods, I like ice cream, I adore chocolate. However, I try not to have them too often. Even when I would go through psycho dieting phases, it is extremely hard for me to lose weight.

But I agree with the point that, generally, people are healthier when they eat right and are active (I do not think that you need to be a size 2 to meet this criteria). There are many people that do not take care of themselves at all and then glamorize their weight as being curvy and womanly. I get that this is in response to the barrage of images that showcase size 2 women as the ideal. Saying that they are proud of their size 24 "curves" sounds like a defense mechanism. However, it does send just as unhealthy a massage as the 6 foot tall, 105 pound supermodels send. Extremes are not healthy, but there is a lot of wiggle room in between the extremes.

Unfortunately, this debate is missing the most important element and that is that the number does not matter. The focus should be on the health of individuals, not the number on the scale.

Well said! Smile

LaComtesse · June 2011

lily87:
LaComtesse:
ar78:
LaComtesse:
While this opinion isn't so unpopular in my neck of the woods...
I'm absolutely thrilled that gay marriage was legalized in New York and I hope it is an idicator of national legislation in the near future.
Amen. Legit, I'm hoping that this will be the shape of things to come. I worry though---some really traditionally strongly liberal places in the midwest (MN, WI) seem to be moving more to the right. However, as soon as those baby boomers are gone...
In some places, I have no doubt, it will take national mandate as it would never pass on a state level. Liberal MW has challenges, but as you said, I think we'll see a huge difference once the baby boomer/pre-boom population... ummm... how to put this delicately... gets quieter?
But seriously, I was watching the vote in real time online and burst into tears when it passed and said "Yay, William! You can marry anyone you want!"
I just wanted to say kudos to NY on this one- though it isn't an UO where I live either! lol And, I also wanted to remind you that we did it first Haha.
I was really upset when this didn't pass in my home state of Maine. My hometown Portland is very gay friendly. But, the northern conservatives went out in droves.

It's true, but I credit that by MA's proximity to Connecticut, which is awesome (and my home state, where, obviously, it is also legal!)

I was saddened by Maine, too, due in no small part to the fact that it is a truly cool state!

lily87 · June 2011

I'll add a new one...as a tangent from La Comtesse's post...

I find it ludicrous when people argue about the "sanctity of marriage" as a justification against gay marriage....when they themselves are divorced. And, some prominent conservative statespeople make this argument publicly, despite the fact that they have been divorced numerous times and were known for having extramarital affairs ( I don't care if they married them later- it still doesn't make it right).

What about the sanctity of their marriages? And, what do they think they are doing to the "sanctity of marriage"?

This is by no means an attack on divorced people or people who don't feel that marriage is sacred. But more those who use that as a reason to deny others civil rights, when they don't even respect the reason in their own personal lives. I just find this entirely hypocritical and am glad I don't live in a state that condones this.

elynds · June 2011

LaComtesse:
ar78:
LaComtesse:

While this opinion isn't so unpopular in my neck of the woods...

I'm absolutely thrilled that gay marriage was legalized in New York and I hope it is an idicator of national legislation in the near future.

Amen. Legit, I'm hoping that this will be the shape of things to come. I worry though---some really traditionally strongly liberal places in the midwest (MN, WI) seem to be moving more to the right. However, as soon as those baby boomers are gone...

In some places, I have no doubt, it will take national mandate as it would never pass on a state level. Liberal MW has challenges, but as you said, I think we'll see a huge difference once the baby boomer/pre-boom population... ummm... how to put this delicately... gets quieter?
But seriously, I was watching the vote in real time online and burst into tears when it passed and said "Yay, William! You can marry anyone you want!"

Unfortunately I live in one of those states that will require a federal mandate , so I'm so glad to see that this opinion isn't quite as unpopular nationwide as it is in my area.

LaComtesse · June 2011

Katywren:
LaComtesse:
Mrs.K23:
LaComtesse:

While this opinion isn't so unpopular in my neck of the woods...

I'm absolutely thrilled that gay marriage was legalized in New York and I hope it is an idicator of national legislation in the near future.

For serious. Wishing California would get their a** in gear now and stop fighting the dang thing.

Interesting tidbit I learned on the radio this morning. If you were in a same sex marriage in CA before prop 8, you file your state taxes as a married couple but your federal taxes as a single person. Messed up. Hoping the rest of the country catches up soon!
I am pretty sure California will re-institute it and I'm very optimistic that it will happen nationally in my lifetime. Fingers crossed!
Dear god I hope you're right. Have you ever visited the midwest? It's almost like ignorance and intolerance are celebrated.
On this note, a little unpopular fuel to the fire. Love this article: https://www.good.is/post/liberal-brains-bigger-in-areas-of-complexity-conservative-brains-bigger-in-areas-of-fear/

My exposure is limited, though my MIL has been bitching about living in OH for about five years (FIL was transferred there--now they're back in CA). I will say this, though: there's a lot of bigotry everywhere, though, admittedly, some places more than others, but I think acceptance is closer than many people think.

Have you ever watched Dan Savage's visit to the South? People were vehemently anti-gay marriage and weren't shy about saying so, but when they found out that Savage was gay and partnered with a child, they were totally cool with it and many/most wished him well and some even invited him and his family over for dinner, etc. And you hear a lot about very small towns where everyone knows ol' Miss Smith and Miss Jones, who have lived together for years are lesbians, and they're cool with it. There are challenges and, yes, some strongholds of prejudice, but I don't think it's insurmountable anywhere.

BlueEyedBoyMeetsABrownEyedGirl · June 2011

Katywren:
LaComtesse:
Mrs.K23:
LaComtesse:

Dear god I hope you're right. Have you ever visited the midwest? It's almost like ignorance and intolerance are celebrated.

On this note, a little unpopular fuel to the fire. Love this article: https://www.good.is/post/liberal-brains-bigger-in-areas-of-complexity-conservative-brains-bigger-in-areas-of-fear/

Speaking of gross generalizations Hmm As someone who could be classified as a fiscal conservative and social moderate (fine with same sex marriages), I think I have a pretty good ability to weigh complex ideas/situations.

LaComtesse · June 2011

lily87:
I'll add a new one...as a tangent from La Comtesse's post...
I find it ludicrous when people argue about the "sanctity of marriage" as a justification against gay marriage....when they themselves are divorced. And, some prominent conservative statespeople make this argument publicly, despite the fact that they have been divorced numerous times and were known for having extramarital affairs ( I don't care if they married them later- it still doesn't make it right).
What about the sanctity of their marriages? And, what do they think they are doing to the "sanctity of marriage"?
This is by no means an attack on divorced people or people who don't feel that marriage is sacred. But more those who use that as a reason to deny others civil rights, when they don't even respect the reason in their own personal lives. I just find this entirely hypocritical and am glad I don't live in a state that condones this.

It is positively annoying... but doesn't it make the sweet sweet schadenfreude of their public humiliation as their (sometimes homosexual) extra-marital affairs are revealed all the sweeter?

womancake · June 2011

Here's my interesting take on the whole gay marriage thing, as someone who grew up as a conservative Christian, smack dab in the middle of the country.

I think you can oppose it morally without challenging it legally, and still remain true to your personal faith convictions. I'm not necessarily saying people are right to oppose it morally. My point is just that there is no mandate in the Bible to make all sins (or even certain ones) illegal. I've looked--it's just not there. So assuming, for the sake of argument, that the Bible is true and homosexuality is a sin, that still doesn't give Christians a reason to fight against it. If they were being consistent, they would be fighting to make all kinds of thing illegal--namely divorce. (Again, not saying that should happen--just pointing out the inconsistency). It doesn't matter if you believe it's right or wrong--there's no Christian mandate to keep it illegal, and there is no good reason to deny rights to other people, especially when it doesn't affect you or your personal freedom to exercise your religion.

The New Testament does actually say that Christians have no business judging those outside the church, and it tells us to submit to the government authorities, because God is the one who allowed them to be in that position. Jesus also had quite a bit to say about our treatment of the poor, the orphaned, and the widowed, but those parts aren't as fun, so they tend to get glossed over.

beazbadazme2 · June 2011

I think handicapped stickers should be for the "really" handicap. Makes me mad to see ppl who look perfectly healthy or capable park in those spots. While those who really need the spots can't. Okay maybe I'm jealous while I'm huffing it to the door and baby is so low it hurts!!!

spidermonkeymomma · June 2011

beazbadazme2:

I think handicapped stickers should be for the "really" handicap. Makes me mad to see ppl who look perfectly healthy or capable park in those spots. While those who really need the spots can't. Okay maybe I'm jealous while I'm huffing it to the door and baby is so low it hurts!!!

People may not look "handicap" but do need it for one reason or another. Yes, the system may get abused, but you cannot judge someone's ability by visualizing them.

beazbadazme2 · June 2011

mesa81:
beazbadazme2:

I think handicapped stickers should be for the "really" handicap. Makes me mad to see ppl who look perfectly healthy or capable park in those spots. While those who really need the spots can't. Okay maybe I'm jealous while I'm huffing it to the door and baby is so low it hurts!!!

People may not look "handicap" but do need it for one reason or another. Yes, the system may get abused, but you cannot judge someone's ability by visualizing them.

I know you are right... I just get upset when I hear someone say (and they have said it to me while pregnant) "just get your doctor to write you for one". UGGGHHH yeah it sucks to walk some days but I really don't NEED one.

LaComtesse · June 2011

womancake:
Here's my interesting take on the whole gay marriage thing, as someone who grew up as a conservative Christian, smack dab in the middle of the country.
I think you can oppose it morally without challenging it legally, and still remain true to your personal faith convictions. I'm not necessarily saying people are right to oppose it morally. My point is just that there is no mandate in the Bible to make all sins (or even certain ones) illegal. I've looked--it's just not there. So assuming, for the sake of argument, that the Bible is true and homosexuality is a sin, that still doesn't give Christians a reason to fight against it. If they were being consistent, they would be fighting to make all kinds of thing illegal--namely divorce. (Again, not saying that should happen--just pointing out the inconsistency). It doesn't matter if you believe it's right or wrong--there's no Christian mandate to keep it illegal, and there is no good reason to deny rights to other people, especially when it doesn't affect you or your personal freedom to exercise your religion.
The New Testament does actually say that Christians have no business judging those outside the church, and it tells us to submit to the government authorities, because God is the one who allowed them to be in that position. Jesus also had quite a bit to say about our treatment of the poor, the orphaned, and the widowed, but those parts aren't as fun, so they tend to get glossed over.

sigh. I think I love you, womancake.

Yes! 100% this, thank you so much. There are a lot of sins in the Bible that are perfectly legal in the US. If someone wants to believe those named actions are condemned by God that's their right and their business. But that it should have any bearing on secular legislation just doesn't make sense. Similarly, no law can or should demand that a church/synagogue/mosque/coven/etc. perform gay marriage if they don't want to. Separation of church and state goes both ways.

spidermonkeymomma · June 2011

beazbadazme2:
mesa81:
beazbadazme2:

I think handicapped stickers should be for the "really" handicap. Makes me mad to see ppl who look perfectly healthy or capable park in those spots. While those who really need the spots can't. Okay maybe I'm jealous while I'm huffing it to the door and baby is so low it hurts!!!

People may not look "handicap" but do need it for one reason or another. Yes, the system may get abused, but you cannot judge someone's ability by visualizing them.

I know you are right... I just get upset when I hear someone say (and they have said it to me while pregnant) "just get your doctor to write you for one". UGGGHHH yeah it sucks to walk some days but I really don't NEED one.

A coworker said that too and I refuse unless medically necessary (I have a looong walk to my car but I am insisting I can do it til the end). I work with a lot of MS patients and they constantly hear "but you look so good". There are a lot of invisible/ hidden ailments.

LaComtesse · June 2011

beazbadazme2:
I think handicapped stickers should be for the "really" handicap. Makes me mad to see ppl who look perfectly healthy or capable park in those spots. While those who really need the spots can't. Okay maybe I'm jealous while I'm huffing it to the door and baby is so low it hurts!!!

If my brother were wearing full-length pants, you would simply see a buff, 21 y/o guy walking away from a handicap spot. You would not see that his right leg is half the size of his left due to traumatic muscle death resulting from an injury that almost cost him his leg below his knee and even now, 6 years later, leaves him in almost constant pain.

boxtonmom1014 · June 2011

LaComtesse:
beazbadazme2:
I think handicapped stickers should be for the "really" handicap. Makes me mad to see ppl who look perfectly healthy or capable park in those spots. While those who really need the spots can't. Okay maybe I'm jealous while I'm huffing it to the door and baby is so low it hurts!!!
If my brother were wearing full-length pants, you would simply see a buff, 21 y/o guy walking away from a handicap spot. You would not see that his right leg is half the size of his left due to traumatic muscle death resulting from an injury that almost cost him his leg below his knee and even now, 6 years later, leaves him in almost constant pain.

My FIL fit into this category too. He had congestive heart failure and was on the list for a heart transplant when he got his. Just looking at him, he looks like a "regular" guy, but he couldn't even do a short flight of stairs.

And the thing was... he hated it. He hated that he had to have that permit and he always felt like he was "taking away" the spot from someone else who needed it, even though he was absolutely "someone who needed it."

womancake · June 2011

LaComtesse:
womancake:
sigh. I think I love you, womancake.
Yes! 100% this, thank you so much. There are a lot of sins in the Bible that are perfectly legal in the US. If someone wants to believe those named actions are condemned by God that's their right and their business. But that it should have any bearing on secular legislation just doesn't make sense. Similarly, no law can or should demand that a church/synagogue/mosque/coven/etc. perform gay marriage if they don't want to. Separation of church and state goes both ways.

Aww...love you too, dahling!

I still consider myself a Christian (though not as conservative as I once was), and I adamantly support the separation of church and state--for the protection of both. Growing up I was taught to fear and challenge that phrase, and it saddens me now to realize that its purpose is very much to protect the church from the government (as well as vice versa). We can't have freedom of religion but also say this is a Christian nation. That just doesn't work.

boxtonmom1014 · June 2011

My UO is that I usually avoid UO here on Thursdays!!!!!

Today I dove in, and now I need to drag myself away and jump in the shower so I'm not late to my OB appointment! LOL

Miss Shasta · June 2011

womancake:
Here's my interesting take on the whole gay marriage thing, as someone who grew up as a conservative Christian, smack dab in the middle of the country.
I think you can oppose it morally without challenging it legally, and still remain true to your personal faith convictions. I'm not necessarily saying people are right to oppose it morally. My point is just that there is no mandate in the Bible to make all sins (or even certain ones) illegal. I've looked--it's just not there. So assuming, for the sake of argument, that the Bible is true and homosexuality is a sin, that still doesn't give Christians a reason to fight against it. If they were being consistent, they would be fighting to make all kinds of thing illegal--namely divorce. (Again, not saying that should happen--just pointing out the inconsistency). It doesn't matter if you believe it's right or wrong--there's no Christian mandate to keep it illegal, and there is no good reason to deny rights to other people, especially when it doesn't affect you or your personal freedom to exercise your religion.
The New Testament does actually say that Christians have no business judging those outside the church, and it tells us to submit to the government authorities, because God is the one who allowed them to be in that position. Jesus also had quite a bit to say about our treatment of the poor, the orphaned, and the widowed, but those parts aren't as fun, so they tend to get glossed over.

I usually don't comment on UO Thursday, but I have to say I absolutely LOVE this. Very well said and ITA!

womancake · June 2011

To lighten things up a bit, here's another UO from me:

You know those cheap little Totino's pizzas? The ones with the crust made out of cardboard and the little tiny pepperoni squares?

I think they're delicious.

JaninneAlvarado · June 2011

I just hate hearing/reading overweight debates because it always comes back to being some b/s about skinny people. I'm a natural born TWIG. I eat healthy, I exercise, I indulge, I do just about the same crap as the rest and CAN'T gain weight. I've tried for years. I gain weight during pregnancy and within hours after delivery I am back to being me (only with wide hips and big boobs). Really, everyone is different. Deal with your OWN issues. Everyone is beautiful in their own way. If they are complaining about something that is clearly a HEALTH issue that they are neglecting, that's when I give the side eye. Until then, I don't look at your scale weight, what size you wear, what your BMI is because to me its all crap! It means nothing! We are people, of all shapes, sizes, and we all have feelings! And because there was mention of size 2, I was literally in a size 2 dress a month after having DS#2 for a wedding. Never did anything to lose weight. It's just how my body worked.

My UO has to do with posting in general. I feel bad for those people who want to post something that has been posted 50,000,000 times. The fact is that everyone wants to be able to show off what THEY have, what THEY want, what THEY got, how their showers went, etc. Everyone who participates should be able to do that. It shouldn't just be the first few who get all the glory! With that being said, I will be showing off my babyshower and stuff along those lines weeks LATER then most of you will be. My shower isn't until August 27th!

beazbadazme2 · June 2011

tinshee:
LaComtesse:
beazbadazme2:

I think handicapped stickers should be for the "really" handicap. Makes me mad to see ppl who look perfectly healthy or capable park in those spots. While those who really need the spots can't. Okay maybe I'm jealous while I'm huffing it to the door and baby is so low it hurts!!!

If my brother were wearing full-length pants, you would simply see a buff, 21 y/o guy walking away from a handicap spot. You would not see that his right leg is half the size of his left due to traumatic muscle death resulting from an injury that almost cost him his leg below his knee and even now, 6 years later, leaves him in almost constant pain.

My FIL fit into this category too. He had congestive heart failure and was on the list for a heart transplant when he got his. Just looking at him, he looks like a "regular" guy, but he couldn't even do a short flight of stairs.

And the thing was... he hated it. He hated that he had to have that permit and he always felt like he was "taking away" the spot from someone else who needed it, even though he was absolutely "someone who needed it."

I think my real gripe was how ppl just tell you to get one when you don't really need one and I am sure there are plenty of ppl who did just that.

I know how it is.. I'm sick alot and in pain alot with my illness most of which I hide. I was in a wheelchair in middle school and was told I was "faking" because I could move my legs.

Like everything... some ppl just take advantage of things and that is my real irk.

womancake · June 2011

JaninneAlvarado:
I just hate hearing/reading overweight debates because it always comes back to being some b/s about skinny people. I'm a natural born TWIG. I eat healthy, I exercise, I indulge, I do just about the same crap as the rest and CAN'T gain weight. I've tried for years. I gain weight during pregnancy and within hours after delivery I am back to being me (only with wide hips and big boobs). Really, everyone is different. Deal with your OWN issues. Everyone is beautiful in their own way. If they are complaining about something that is clearly a HEALTH issue that they are neglecting, that's when I give the side eye. Until then, I don't look at your scale weight, what size you wear, what your BMI is because to me its all crap! It means nothing! We are people, of all shapes, sizes, and we all have feelings! And because there was mention of size 2, I was literally in a size 2 dress a month after having DS#2 for a wedding. Never did anything to lose weight. It's just how my body worked.

My UO has to do with posting in general. I feel bad for those people who want to post something that has been posted 50,000,000 times. The fact is that everyone wants to be able to show off what THEY have, what THEY want, what THEY got, how their showers went, etc. Everyone who participates should be able to do that. It shouldn't just be the first few who get all the glory! With that being said, I will be showing off my babyshower and stuff along those lines weeks LATER then most of you will be. My shower isn't until August 27th!

I hope I didn't say anything to offend you in the weight debate! I know that just like there are some people who are naturally bigger and have a hard time losing weight, there are also people who are naturally very thin and can't put weight on. Neither is an indicator of overall health--it's just how your body works, like you said. It just goes to show that people will always find a way to discriminate against others. I'm sorry you've been the brunt of skinny discrimination/judgment.

I also agree with your second paragraph. Personally, I don't want to read about every single person's GTT results or baby shower. But that's okay--I can just choose not to open those posts. Everyone has the right to post what they want.

Amanda&EricB · June 2011

Here goes...

I think sometimes when elderly people say they are ready to "go" I think we shouldn't be appalled or argue with them. Not that I'm saying I think we should help them or assist or anything.

DH's grandpa is in the hospital, admitted last night because his pacemaker wires are coming out of an open incision that has been there since January due to an infection. He has been in pain, has been uncomfortable, and subject to some humiliating things due to this. We just noticed the wires coming out last week and his cardiologist yesterday admitted him right away. He is having emergency heart surgery today, to remove the entire pacemaker (the leads have infection, along with the rest of the area, ever since January. He's been on antibiotics ever since). Anyway, he's been talking alot lately about being done, wanting to just be done with life. He's got Alzeheimer's, he misses his wife who died almost 20 years ago, he's in constant pain and he feels helpless/useless.

Not that I want him to die; he's a hilarious guy with a huge heart. But I don't want to see him suffer either. So will I be sad if he dies during surgery? YES. I will be very sad. But on the other hand, if that happens, he will finally be free from pain, and he will get to be with his wife.

So... that's my UO. Flame away.

valzee · June 2011

Katywren:
Pina:
I think nesting is a load of crap. We are adults and our homes should be neat, clean and organized.
Oh Pina, if only we could all be as perfect as you.... sorry for the sarcasm. Being neat and organized just doesn't come naturally to everyone. Some of us need a little motivation, like house guests, babies, etc...
I hate walking into someone's house that is so neat, clean and organized that it doesn't look like anyone lives there but the cleaning lady. I need a little chaos and imperfection to relax.

I agree, Katywren - my mom's house is spotless and I hate visiting there because it makes me feel uncomfortable. She's so bad that if I take my shoes off next to the chair she'll actually put them out in the center of the room (on display) so I see them and put them away. I just step over them, in protest, and eventually she can't stand it and puts them away herself. Oh, and she doesn't have any couches (just uncomfortable chairs) in front of the TV because she doesn't think relaxing is appropriate, or something completely insane like that.

So she and my dad are on their way to visit this week and DH and I have been on a mad cleaning tear for the past 4 days in order to get the house up to her ridiculous standards, and I guarantee she'll still complain about the (nonexistent) mess when she arrives. It makes me nuts -- houses are meant to be LIVED in, not kept like museums.

dianamcu · June 2011

womancake:

To lighten things up a bit, here's another UO from me:

You know those cheap little Totino's pizzas? The ones with the crust made out of cardboard and the little tiny pepperoni squares?

I think they're delicious.

I love them those pizzas!

BlueEyedBoyMeetsABrownEyedGirl · June 2011

valzee:
Katywren:
Pina:

I agree, Katywren - my mom's house is spotless and I hate visiting there because it makes me feel uncomfortable. She's so bad that if I take my shoes off next to the chair she'll actually put them out in the center of the room (on display) so I see them and put them away. I just step over them, in protest, and eventually she can't stand it and puts them away herself. Oh, and she doesn't have any couches (just uncomfortable chairs) in front of the TV because she doesn't think relaxing is appropriate, or something completely insane like that.

So she and my dad are on their way to visit this week and DH and I have been on a mad cleaning tear for the past 4 days in order to get the house up to her ridiculous standards, and I guarantee she'll still complain about the (nonexistent) mess when she arrives. It makes me nuts -- houses are meant to be LIVED in, not kept like museums.

I agree...my MIL is like this. She vacuums at least once each day. They've got a yellow lab and she follows her around the house to wipe up her foot prints and any dog hair that falls on her precious brazilian cherry floors. The dog isn't allowed to run/play in the house, either, because she says it makes the hair fall out more and could scratch her floors! So, I always feel judged when she comes to my house, because my house is far from perfect, especially now.

babydreamsj · June 2011

lily87:

I'll add a new one...as a tangent from La Comtesse's post...

I find it ludicrous when people argue about the "sanctity of marriage" as a justification against gay marriage....when they themselves are divorced. And, some prominent conservative statespeople make this argument publicly, despite the fact that they have been divorced numerous times and were known for having extramarital affairs ( I don't care if they married them later- it still doesn't make it right).

What about the sanctity of their marriages? And, what do they think they are doing to the "sanctity of marriage"?

This is by no means an attack on divorced people or people who don't feel that marriage is sacred. But more those who use that as a reason to deny others civil rights, when they don't even respect the reason in their own personal lives. I just find this entirely hypocritical and am glad I don't live in a state that condones this.

I so agree with this, what makes it okay for someone to get married and divorced and married and divorced over and over but these same people are against gays getting married. You would think after your 2nd marriage didn't work out you would stop there...I don't get it.

boxtonmom1014 · June 2011

beazbadazme2:
Like everything... some ppl just take advantage of things and that is my real irk.

That is absolutely true. They ruin it for the deserving/honest people. Sad

spidermonkeymomma · June 2011

Amanda&EricB:

Here goes...

I think sometimes when elderly people say they are ready to "go" I think we shouldn't be appalled or argue with them. Not that I'm saying I think we should help them or assist or anything.

DH's grandpa is in the hospital, admitted last night because his pacemaker wires are coming out of an open incision that has been there since January due to an infection. He has been in pain, has been uncomfortable, and subject to some humiliating things due to this. We just noticed the wires coming out last week and his cardiologist yesterday admitted him right away. He is having emergency heart surgery today, to remove the entire pacemaker (the leads have infection, along with the rest of the area, ever since January. He's been on antibiotics ever since). Anyway, he's been talking alot lately about being done, wanting to just be done with life. He's got Alzeheimer's, he misses his wife who died almost 20 years ago, he's in constant pain and he feels helpless/useless.

Not that I want him to die; he's a hilarious guy with a huge heart. But I don't want to see him suffer either. So will I be sad if he dies during surgery? YES. I will be very sad. But on the other hand, if that happens, he will finally be free from pain, and he will get to be with his wife.

So... that's my UO. Flame away.

Absolutely no flames from me-- I am sorry about your husband's grandfather and hope he isn't in pain but completely agree with you... I see this on a daily basis (hospital social worker).

windsongs · June 2011

JaninneAlvarado:
I just hate hearing/reading overweight debates because it always comes back to being some b/s about skinny people. I'm a natural born TWIG. I eat healthy, I exercise, I indulge, I do just about the same crap as the rest and CAN'T gain weight. I've tried for years. I gain weight during pregnancy and within hours after delivery I am back to being me (only with wide hips and big boobs). Really, everyone is different. Deal with your OWN issues. Everyone is beautiful in their own way. If they are complaining about something that is clearly a HEALTH issue that they are neglecting, that's when I give the side eye. Until then, I don't look at your scale weight, what size you wear, what your BMI is because to me its all crap! It means nothing! We are people, of all shapes, sizes, and we all have feelings! And because there was mention of size 2, I was literally in a size 2 dress a month after having DS#2 for a wedding. Never did anything to lose weight. It's just how my body worked.

My UO has to do with posting in general. I feel bad for those people who want to post something that has been posted 50,000,000 times. The fact is that everyone wants to be able to show off what THEY have, what THEY want, what THEY got, how their showers went, etc. Everyone who participates should be able to do that. It shouldn't just be the first few who get all the glory! With that being said, I will be showing off my babyshower and stuff along those lines weeks LATER then most of you will be. My shower isn't until August 27th!

Well said. I agree completely- on both! When are we, as woman especially, going to stop cutting each other down???

It's hard for all of us- every single person on this entire planet has their issues that seem impossible to fix, for them. The last thing that anyone needs is to be made to feel worse about something that they usually already feel self conscious about in the first place.

cheezemonger · June 2011

dianamcu:
womancake:

To lighten things up a bit, here's another UO from me:

You know those cheap little Totino's pizzas? The ones with the crust made out of cardboard and the little tiny pepperoni squares?

I think they're delicious.

I love them those pizzas!

yay me too! I allow myself to have one of these maybe 2 or 3 times a year because they are yummy, but have you looked at the nutritional panel. terrifying.

windsongs · June 2011

Amanda&EricB:
Here goes...

I think sometimes when elderly people say they are ready to "go" I think we shouldn't be appalled or argue with them. Not that I'm saying I think we should help them or assist or anything.

My Nana decided it was her time to go about 4 years ago. She didn't want to live her last years in pain, or needing help to go to the washroom etc... She felt that she had a full life.

She somehow made a deal with her doc, went into the hospital- didn't eat or drink and was put on Morphine until she passed away.

I think I was the only one in our family that didn't try to talk her out of it. I just hugged her and said that I understood and respected her as my elder to make her own choice. I was grateful to be able to say goodbye, she died in her sleep with her kids around her- and the entire family had a chance to come and say good bye.

So I guess my unpopular opinion is that I am not against euthanasia and I think that in *certain* cases people should be allowed to make their own choices to live or die. I just don't think we would ever be able to agree on what those cases are... so I don't really see it as a reality.

ar78 · June 2011

Katywren:
dianamcu:
womancake:

To lighten things up a bit, here's another UO from me:
You know those cheap little Totino's pizzas? The ones with the crust made out of cardboard and the little tiny pepperoni squares?
I think they're delicious.
I love them those pizzas!
yay me too! I allow myself to have one of these maybe 2 or 3 times a year because they are yummy, but have you looked at the nutritional panel. terrifying.

You guysssss.....now I'm so hungry for a pepperoni one!!

italnprncss78 · June 2011

LaComtesse:

To the BMI/weight/curves/judge-y/clusterfvck debate going on I say...

(Mainly because so many ladies are stating my feelings on the matter so beautifully that I have nothing significant to add.)

Agree! Pass the popcorn please

Laceface7 · June 2011

My OU is that I get tired, I mean TIRED of hearing people piss and moan about their money situations via facebook or every single time you speak to them. Not talking about anyone AT ALL on TB, seriously. I know people have finacial strugles, I get that. It is a very real and legit concern. But I have 2 instances that come to mind:

I have a friend on FB that almost every single post is about how she wishes people would help her meet her Mary Kay goal bc she is so close, and that it would help her and her future husband out soooo much with wedding expenses. Or its a post about how they are having to shell $ out on something else unexpected and they have no one to help them out. Yeah that stinks having surprises pop up but you are an adult. Don't post all of your woes on FB for eveyone to read. You figure out how to fix your problem and hold your head up about it and move on.

And my brother and sister in law. Drive. Me. Bananas. Do they make great money-no. But they make a decent living and if they would budget their finaces would be just fine. My brother is the king of throwing pity parties. And he sneaks them into normal conversation all the time. "Well we don't have the $ for that", or "I wish we could afford something like that". He does this to my DH all the time. And every year Christmas and my mom's birthday (Jan 1st) come on the same day. And every year he makes a big deal that they are going to be lucky if they are able to provide my nephews Christmas let alone anything else. If they would budget for these things it wouldn't be an issue, but they suck with $. My SIL will go buy stuff at Walmart that they dont need and then let it sit in the sacks around there house. They are going on a cruise in October and I dread the holiday time bc I know I am going to have to hear about them not being able to afford anything.

Wow. I sound like a b!tch. But this bothers me realllllllly bad!

elynds · June 2011

windsongs:
Amanda&EricB:

Here goes...

I think sometimes when elderly people say they are ready to "go" I think we shouldn't be appalled or argue with them. Not that I'm saying I think we should help them or assist or anything.

My Nana decided it was her time to go about 4 years ago. She didn't want to live her last years in pain, or needing help to go to the washroom etc... She felt that she had a full life.

She somehow made a deal with her doc, went into the hospital- didn't eat or drink and was put on Morphine until she passed away.

I think I was the only one in our family that didn't try to talk her out of it. I just hugged her and said that I understood and respected her as my elder to make her own choice. I was grateful to be able to say goodbye, she died in her sleep with her kids around her- and the entire family had a chance to come and say good bye.

So I guess my unpopular opinion is that I am not against euthanasia and I think that in *certain* cases people should be allowed to make their own choices to live or die. I just don't think we would ever be able to agree on what those cases are... so I don't really see it as a reality.

I totally agree. Additionally, as a country we spend an insane amount of money in end of life care - I'm NOT saying that we shouldn't do everything we can to keep people alive, but I do think that a DNR request should be honored and that in so many cases it's a good decision. I think that because I come from a family of healthcare providers I have a different view on this (all of my relatives have DNRs in their wills), but I think that keeping someone alive for longer than they perhaps want to be is insensitive.

sonflower1427 · June 2011

womancake:
lmjt:
Azrayla:
JenniferAnnes:
Azrayla:

I don't think that having a birth plan is ridiculous. I think being unwilling to deviate from it is.

I think that's the point she was originally trying to make, and I actually agree. You guys know I'm all hippie natural water birth, but if something goes wrong, you can bet yourass I'm not putting my birth plan above mine and the baby's safety. If I really need to be cut open, go for it.

I guess that brings up another point. I think a lot of people have the impression that those of us with birth plans or those who want an unmedicated birth care more about our own experience than we do about what's best for our babies. The truth is, for me at least, the birth choices I am making are precisely because I believe they are what's best for me and the baby. Everyone else has to decide what they feel is best--for some people, that's going to be a c-section, or an induction, or an epidural. There are plenty of situations where those things really are in everyone's best interest, so I'm not knocking them. I just hate being made to feel like I'm being selfish because I want to avoid those things unless I need them. I honestly don't get a lot of that on tb, but I do IRL.

THIS! I had a hospital birth with my first child, and my hospital followed my birth plan almost to a T. They were wonderful. But this time around, I want the birthing tub and the freedom to do my own thing and to be able to eat and all that stuff that lots of people call hippy or weird or give me the side eye over.

If you feel strongly, take the birth plan, but keep it simple and short and realize that things happen sometimes. I've seen people with birth plans three pages long--to me that's too much, and that's asking for disappointment.

laurasuzanne2006 · June 2011

womancake:
lmjt:
Azrayla:
JenniferAnnes:
Azrayla:

I don't think that having a birth plan is ridiculous. I think being unwilling to deviate from it is.

I think that's the point she was originally trying to make, and I actually agree. You guys know I'm all hippie natural water birth, but if something goes wrong, you can bet yourass I'm not putting my birth plan above mine and the baby's safety. If I really need to be cut open, go for it.

I guess that brings up another point. I think a lot of people have the impression that those of us with birth plans or those who want an unmedicated birth care more about our own experience than we do about what's best for our babies. The truth is, for me at least, the birth choices I am making are precisely because I believe they are what's best for me and the baby. Everyone else has to decide what they feel is best--for some people, that's going to be a c-section, or an induction, or an epidural. There are plenty of situations where those things really are in everyone's best interest, so I'm not knocking them. I just hate being made to feel like I'm being selfish because I want to avoid those things unless I need them. I honestly don't get a lot of that on tb, but I do IRL.

sorry ladies, just got on and since i have nothing to post about gay marriage I shall go back to this. I personally feel like there are A LOT more people who would rather have interventions than attempt intervention free births. I really don't care what other people do, but I feel there are a lot more side eyes given to women planning an intervention free birth as opposed to side eyes given to women who would opt for a scheduled C-section. Maybe that's just the vibe I've picked up anyway. And i totally agree with womancake about being made to feel like we are selfish where in reality I'm planning the type of birth I am mostly because after research I think it is healthier for our LO. My thing with birth plans however is this: as much as I may be for intervention free births, a piece of paper will not advocate for you. As a nurse myself I am really skeptical how much a busy nurse will either look, or to be honest care about what someone's plans are. I think it is much more valuable having a birth partner/ or someone there who will be an advocate for you when you are unable to advocate for yourself. If it's you and DH and he isn't an advocate, the paper will most likely do nothing.

And I shall also side-eye the post about overweight/obese women. When you can explain to me how my 5 foot overweight BMI can still squeeze into my size 2 jeans, give me a call......

I have nothing against vacation pics on fb, but seriously can't stand when people make posts from their honeymoon and post honeymoon pictures. I thought a honeymoon was a private time for a newly married couple. Not time to make posts letting the world know how wonderful your trip is, nor should photos of the two people enjoying their supposed time alone together be uploaded. end rant.

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