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Can a baby die from screaming/crying?

Dd was clearly overtired but still playing. dH realized she pooped and went to change her but it was a big one so he called me in to help. I was cleaning her and he was holding her down on the changer....she screamed so hard she turned blue and couldn't catch her breath...so i picked her up and dh put her diaper on with me holding her....lying her back down caused more screaming....we are both freaked out... She fights changes unless distracted but never this hard...don't know how we will do ferber or cio if she can scream herself into not breathing....should i worry? She looked like she was drowning and struggling to breathe she was so upset....
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Re: Can a baby die from screaming/crying?

  • I would guess no, it's not really possible.  Like when older children hold their breath for long periods of time they eventually 'pass out' and then start breathing again, involuntarily.

    However, please listen to your gut and your daughter on this one... it's not good for her (or any baby) to be that hysterical, physically or emotionally.  Do what you need to do to comfort and care for your daughter.

    ETA: I just wanted to add, I certainly don't mean to imply you're not comforting or caring for her!  I just mean, do whatever she needs from you right now - don't be worried about CIO and Ferber and all that!

    Hannah

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  • Thanks- our lives are chaotic now with the move and she is drfinitely feeling it....that hysterical fit scared us... She is sleeping now but i never want that to happen again.
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  • Don't feel like you have to do CIO or Ferber, especially if she gets like that. It is not a good state for them to be in, and if she gets that worked up, it may not be for her. Maya gets herself like that when she is upset, and I doubt she would respond appropriately to Ferber or CIO, but we don't plan on doing it anyway. Follow her cues.
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  • Yeah - me thinks she'll be sleeping with us for a long time. We can't stomacj it esp after her reaction tonight.
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  • imagesliz:
    Yeah - me thinks she'll be sleeping with us for a long time. We can't stomacj it esp after her reaction tonight.

    Hey, if it is working for you and you are fine with it, no need to change things up :) It sounds like you will all be happier :)

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  • If it was possible Dylan would be DEAD.

    And sadly he actually cries harder now than he did when he was a baby - and that's saying a LOT.

    Over tired is a very very very very bad thing in our house.

    It was bad when he was a baby and it's almost worse now that he's older because he looses all sense of rationality and seriously looses his ever loving mind over the tiniest of issues.

    It's sad to see and I feel so guilty when I know I've let him get that tired.

    It would go against survival of the species for hard crying to kill or seriously injure a child.

    And... we did modified CIO.  It becomes circular - not getting good sleep means MORE massive crying fits.  For us it made sense to suck up a few really bad nights for everyone in exchange for him finally getting good sleep and becoming a much happier kid.

     

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    If it was possible Dylan would be DEAD.

    And sadly he actually cries harder now than he did when he was a baby - and that's saying a LOT.

    Over tired is a very very very very bad thing in our house.

    It was bad when he was a baby and it's almost worse now that he's older because he looses all sense of rationality and seriously looses his ever loving mind over the tiniest of issues.

    It's sad to see and I feel so guilty when I know I've let him get that tired.

    It would go against survival of the species for hard crying to kill or seriously injure a child.

    And... we did modified CIO.  It becomes circular - not getting good sleep means MORE massive crying fits.  For us it made sense to suck up a few really bad nights for everyone in exchange for him finally getting good sleep and becoming a much happier kid.

     

    Oh boy... This sounds so much like my younger son. Yikes!

     

    Back to the original topic, I agree with Hannah. Even if she held her breath, there is nothing that is physically stopping her from breathing, so if she passed out from lack of oxygen, she'd start breathing again automatically. I'm sure that was scary, but I wouldn't expect it to happen with CIO, honestly, as long as she doesn't get to the overtired state when you start. But in all things parenting-related, do what you're comfortable with! As long as everyone is well-rested and happy, that's what matters.

  • My friend's daughter had something (I can't remember what it was called) where she would hold her breath when she was upset...She started it at a very young age.  It was very upsetting for my friend (and clearly they sought help for her) but like Hannah said she wouldn't die from it.

    Another close friend of mine has to change her daughter upright, and has had to since she was a baby...she can't stand to be on her back.  Now that she's bigger, she just stands up, but when she was younger, it was difficult to say the least! 

    That sounds like it was incredibly scary!  I hope it doesn't happen again! Hugs.

  • imageCassian:
    Don't feel like you have to do CIO or Ferber, especially if she gets like that. It is not a good state for them to be in, and if she gets that worked up, it may not be for her. Maya gets herself like that when she is upset, and I doubt she would respond appropriately to Ferber or CIO, but we don't plan on doing it anyway. Follow her cues.

    All of this!!!

    Even if a baby can't die from holding their breath, I don't feel comfortable allowing the situation to happen where a child this young could get so upset, pass out and involuntarily start breathing again, just not ok with me! I was going to say maybe when they are older but that wouldn't be ok for me either.

    Go with your mommy instincts and follow her cues! There is nothing wrong with that. You are doing an awesome job!

     

  • imageESTH2000:

    imageCassian:
    Don't feel like you have to do CIO or Ferber, especially if she gets like that. It is not a good state for them to be in, and if she gets that worked up, it may not be for her. Maya gets herself like that when she is upset, and I doubt she would respond appropriately to Ferber or CIO, but we don't plan on doing it anyway. Follow her cues.

    All of this!!!

    Even if a baby can't die from holding their breath, I don't feel comfortable allowing the situation to happen where a child this young could get so upset, pass out and involuntarily start breathing again, just not ok with me! I was going to say maybe when they are older but that wouldn't be ok for me either.

    Go with your mommy instincts and follow her cues! There is nothing wrong with that. You are doing an awesome job!

     

    I don't think anyone was saying that they were OKAY with a baby holding their breath and passing out...they were just saying that is what would happen if they held their breath. 

    My friend was NOT okay with her daughter holding her breath.  It was scary and awful. 

  • imagesliz:
    Dd was clearly overtired but still playing. dH realized she pooped and went to change her but it was a big one so he called me in to help. I was cleaning her and he was holding her down on the changer....she screamed so hard she turned blue and couldn't catch her breath...so i picked her up and dh put her diaper on with me holding her....lying her back down caused more screaming....we are both freaked out... She fights changes unless distracted but never this hard...don't know how we will do ferber or cio if she can scream herself into not breathing....should i worry? She looked like she was drowning and struggling to breathe she was so upset....

     

    this was the only time she did it right?

    well, hopefully it's only an isolated incident...i know for sure all 3 of my kids have had screaming fits where it took a while to breathe, i have seen Audrey's lips turn purple more then once because of it.   

    Could she possibly have an ear infection? They cause really bad pain when laid down, but if she is laying down to sleep with no prob that is most probably not a worry.

    I don't think you really need to say right now that you won't be able to do any ST'ing if you need it....especially if it was only once... Ronnie used to cry until he puked, but he was able to be ST'ed with no problem at 13 months (and no, i didn't let him cry til he puked in that instance). 

    As long as it was an isolated event, I wouldn't worry too much...the boys both HATED  laying down due to their reflux, and it just became a thing, that even when their reflux was better, they still HATED it..so i changed them standing up as soon as they could stand. :) 

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  • imagedundasgirl:
    imageESTH2000:

    imageCassian:
    Don't feel like you have to do CIO or Ferber, especially if she gets like that. It is not a good state for them to be in, and if she gets that worked up, it may not be for her. Maya gets herself like that when she is upset, and I doubt she would respond appropriately to Ferber or CIO, but we don't plan on doing it anyway. Follow her cues.

    All of this!!!

    Even if a baby can't die from holding their breath, I don't feel comfortable allowing the situation to happen where a child this young could get so upset, pass out and involuntarily start breathing again, just not ok with me! I was going to say maybe when they are older but that wouldn't be ok for me either.

    Go with your mommy instincts and follow her cues! There is nothing wrong with that. You are doing an awesome job!

     

    I don't think anyone was saying that they were OKAY with a baby holding their breath and passing out...they were just saying that is what would happen if they held their breath. 

    My friend was NOT okay with her daughter holding her breath.  It was scary and awful. 

    Didn't meant to imply anyone was okay with it, sorry if it came across as that. Just wanted to make sure the OP was confident in knowing she did the right thing.

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