RF vs FF

Masonismylove · May 2011

I know their has been a debate about this, but DH asked me this weekend if he could move the convertible seat FF since DS feet hit the back seat. How can I keep DS comfortable if I keep him RF?

Roxpup · May 2011

My DS's feet have touched the back seat for months now, but it's a myth that they are uncomfortable just because it looks like a position we wouldn't choose to sit in. If you google extended rear facing, you can see how he can eventually sit in the car.

Here are some myths that could help... https://www.carseat.se/rear-facing-myths/

Masonismylove · May 2011

Thank you. I plan on keeping him RF as long as I can.

SuperCuteBenz · May 2011

There was a woman at a BBQ we went to last night that asked if I had DS forward facing yet. I looked at her like she was crazy, and said "hell no", well she said that her DS was forward facing because we weighed enough. He is 7 months old.

I told her my DD rear-facing until 2.5 and then again right after she turned 3. She gave me a weird look and didn't talk to me the rest of the night. Confused

Anyway, I don't think your DS is uncomfortable. He doesn't know any differently. My DD is almost 3 1/2 and she prefers rear-facing. Despite what people ASSume, she actually likes it, and if she didn't she can obviously verbalize that.

I would just make sure to dress him in lightweight, breathable clothing. I know that my DD didn't get much air when she was rear-facing, so I would cool the car a little bit before we left.

robinsokj · May 2011

Kids have these things called knees. Most kids can bend these knees

DrinknDerive · May 2011

Cross his legs. Easy peasy.

Chelle112 · May 2011

DS's feet have touched the backseat for months. He's perfectly comfortable and content with his legs crossed.

KelzinBoston · May 2011

Masonismylove:

I know their has been a debate about this, but DH asked me this weekend if he could move the convertible seat FF since DS feet hit the back seat. How can I keep DS comfortable if I keep him RF?

If?

Keep him rearfacing.

ali_bl-nov05 · May 2011

If he is not complaining, odds are he is fine, he dosn't know any different anyways. Besides, he is just too young to FF.

angelame1979 · May 2011

KelzinBoston:
Masonismylove:

I know their has been a debate about this, but DH asked me this weekend if he could move the convertible seat FF since DS feet hit the back seat. How can I keep DS comfortable if I keep him RF?
If?
Keep him rearfacing.

Why do people judge or assume when people type something. What she probably meant is IF she keeps him RF past the age/weight requirement. I know that's just me assuming but we have to assume she is in the right mind if she wasn't asking about it.

Masonismylove · May 2011

Oh I planned on keeping him RF until the age of 2 but I needed some information to give to DH.

My friend had her baby FF at 9 months and he is 17 months now and weighs the same as DS.

Masonismylove · May 2011

angelame1979:
KelzinBoston:
Masonismylove:

I know their has been a debate about this, but DH asked me this weekend if he could move the convertible seat FF since DS feet hit the back seat. How can I keep DS comfortable if I keep him RF?

If?

Keep him rearfacing.

Why do people judge or assume when people type something. What she probably meant is IF she keeps him RF past the age/weight requirement. I know that's just me assuming but we have to assume she is in the right mind if she wasn't asking about it.

Yes Thank you. Exactly.

WildcatPrincess · May 2011

DD sits with her legs crossed, it's adorable.

Masonismylove · May 2011

WildcatPrincess:
DD sits with her legs crossed, it's adorable.

Your DD is adorable anyway. I love her curls!

Addicted2thenot · May 2011

DS feet touched the day we put him in his convertible car seat.

He will stay RF until two

abc123xyzandsoforth · May 2011

lisajay09:

DS will be rear facing for as long as he can. Hopefully until 2 but he is a really big boy both in weight and length, so we'll see....but I'm hopeful.

My question is: What about rear end accidents? Probably a stupid question, but considering the only accidents I've ever had are me being rear-ended (not to say a frontal one could never happen, of course they can) but how is RF better protecting them that way? I'm seriously asking, not trying to argue at all.

Here's a couple links you might like to read:

https://www.parenting.com/article/rear-facing-car-seat-guidelines?page=0,2

And this one is a story about rear-facing and a rear-end accident: https://myangelsaliandpeanut.tripod.com/id5.html .

The odds are against a rear-end accident being fatal. There is a much greater danger of front-end collision and side-impact collisions. Personally, I've got DD's carseat in the center of the backseat rear-facing. I've seen a lot of people put the carseat on the driver or passenger side backseat because it's easier to get the child in and out, but I don't mind climbing in & out.

HTH

Masonismylove · May 2011

The passenger side in the back has an air bag. Is that bad?

ali_bl-nov05 · May 2011

lisajay09:

DS will be rear facing for as long as he can. Hopefully until 2 but he is a really big boy both in weight and length, so we'll see....but I'm hopeful.

My question is: What about rear end accidents? Probably a stupid question, but considering the only accidents I've ever had are me being rear-ended (not to say a frontal one could never happen, of course they can) but how is RF better protecting them that way? I'm seriously asking, not trying to argue at all.

It is still safer to be in a RF seat, as it absorbs some of the the impact. You can google "carseat lady" for more info

abc123xyzandsoforth · May 2011

Masonismylove:
The passenger side in the back has an air bag. Is that bad?

It's fine. Here's a link: https://www.car-safety.org/faq.html#Q61

And this is the information given on that page:
"Currently, side airbags are generally not considered a risk to children in correctly used child restraints. In fact, children in properly installed and used child restraints should gain a safety benefit from side impact airbags unless otherwise indicated in an owner's manual. A possible risk is to child passengers seated out of position: leaning on the door, face on the window, head sleeping on a pillar, etc. This would be most relevant to children in boosters who are not seated properly, and to children not using any type of seatbelt or restraint. Side curtain airbags should be even less risk, as they are higher and inflate with somewhat less force. In general, it should be OK to place a child in a harnessed carseat (front or rear facing) in a rear seat position with an active side airbag, as long as the owner's manuals for the carseat and vehicle do not prohibit such placement."

HTH

I've got too much time on my hands today ;o)

Masonismylove · May 2011

abc123xyzandsoforth:

Masonismylove:
The passenger side in the back has an air bag. Is that bad?

It's fine. Here's a link: https://www.car-safety.org/faq.html#Q61

And this is the information given on that page:
"Currently, side airbags are generally not considered a risk to children in correctly used child restraints. In fact, children in properly installed and used child restraints should gain a safety benefit from side impact airbags unless otherwise indicated in an owner's manual. A possible risk is to child passengers seated out of position: leaning on the door, face on the window, head sleeping on a pillar, etc. This would be most relevant to children in boosters who are not seated properly, and to children not using any type of seatbelt or restraint. Side curtain airbags should be even less risk, as they are higher and inflate with somewhat less force. In general, it should be OK to place a child in a harnessed carseat (front or rear facing) in a rear seat position with an active side airbag, as long as the owner's manuals for the carseat and vehicle do not prohibit such placement."

HTH

I've got too much time on my hands today ;o)

Thank you!

I do too! DH had to work last night and works tonight so no fun for us.

abc123xyzandsoforth · May 2011

Masonismylove:
abc123xyzandsoforth:

Masonismylove:
The passenger side in the back has an air bag. Is that bad?

It's fine. Here's a link: https://www.car-safety.org/faq.html#Q61

And this is the information given on that page:
"Currently, side airbags are generally not considered a risk to children in correctly used child restraints. In fact, children in properly installed and used child restraints should gain a safety benefit from side impact airbags unless otherwise indicated in an owner's manual. A possible risk is to child passengers seated out of position: leaning on the door, face on the window, head sleeping on a pillar, etc. This would be most relevant to children in boosters who are not seated properly, and to children not using any type of seatbelt or restraint. Side curtain airbags should be even less risk, as they are higher and inflate with somewhat less force. In general, it should be OK to place a child in a harnessed carseat (front or rear facing) in a rear seat position with an active side airbag, as long as the owner's manuals for the carseat and vehicle do not prohibit such placement."

HTH

I've got too much time on my hands today ;o)

Thank you!

I do too! DH had to work last night and works tonight so no fun for us.

Yup. DH is working today too ( bummer.

doremi29 · May 2011

DS just bends his legs. Actually yesterday he had one hanging off one side of the carseat like he was seriously lounging

We get attitude about it from my SIL all the time- she loves to tease me about it because she knows it's "my thing" (keeping him RF'ing past 1, which she feels is the very latest you should turn them around. her's were about 7/8 months when she ff'd them). DS will RF as long as possible. I hope to make it to the 2 year mark- like others have said, he doesn't know any different.

Mrs.Cford · May 2011

SuperCuteBenz:
There was a woman at a BBQ we went to last night that asked if I had DS forward facing yet. I looked at her like she was crazy, and said "hell no", well she said that her DS was forward facing because we weighed enough. He is 7 months old.
I told her my DD rear-facing until 2.5 and then again right after she turned 3. She gave me a weird look and didn't talk to me the rest of the night.
Anyway, I don't think your DS is uncomfortable. He doesn't know any differently. My DD is almost 3 1/2 and she prefers rear-facing. Despite what people ASSume, she actually likes it, and if she didn't she can obviously verbalize that.
I would just make sure to dress him in lightweight, breathable clothing. I know that my DD didn't get much air when she was rear-facing, so I would cool the car a little bit before we left.

I would have laid a strip into her - even if you decide to go FF as soon as they can the minimum is the weight limit AND 1 year, she is putting her child's life in jeopardy because he 'looks' uncomfortable!!!!!! Stupid people bother me!

superned · May 2011

abc123xyzandsoforth:
Masonismylove:
The passenger side in the back has an air bag. Is that bad?

It's fine. Here's a link: https://www.car-safety.org/faq.html#Q61

And this is the information given on that page:
"Currently, side airbags are generally not considered a risk to children in correctly used child restraints. In fact, children in properly installed and used child restraints should gain a safety benefit from side impact airbags unless otherwise indicated in an owner's manual. A possible risk is to child passengers seated out of position: leaning on the door, face on the window, head sleeping on a pillar, etc. This would be most relevant to children in boosters who are not seated properly, and to children not using any type of seatbelt or restraint. Side curtain airbags should be even less risk, as they are higher and inflate with somewhat less force. In general, it should be OK to place a child in a harnessed carseat (front or rear facing) in a rear seat position with an active side airbag, as long as the owner's manuals for the carseat and vehicle do not prohibit such placement."

HTH

I've got too much time on my hands today ;o)

Please be sure that you do indeed read the owner's manual for both the car and the car seat - it should be okay, but there are definitely a handful of car and seat combinations where it is not safe.

rubredvelvet · May 2011

Not dissing the rf reccomendation (we rf still/will), but question about those who so blindly follow the aap... Do you follow all the rules? Like viewing tv, getting every shot, or not bed sharing? I just ask out of curiosity, not mean spirits.

DrinknDerive · May 2011

rubredvelvet:
Not dissing the rf reccomendation (we rf still/will), but question about those who so blindly follow the aap... Do you follow all the rules? Like viewing tv, getting every shot, or not bed sharing? I just ask out of curiosity, not mean spirits.

This isn't just a suggestion with subjective research as evidence. The principles of physics back up these suggestions, ya know? The TV-viewing is based on new research and statistics, so I can understand not blindly following that rule. The vaccinations thing... well I prefer my child alive.

rubredvelvet · May 2011

DrinknDerive:
rubredvelvet:
Not dissing the rf reccomendation (we rf still/will), but question about those who so blindly follow the aap... Do you follow all the rules? Like viewing tv, getting every shot, or not bed sharing? I just ask out of curiosity, not mean spirits.
This isn't just a suggestion with subjective research as evidence. The principles of physics back up these suggestions, ya know? The TV-viewing is based on new research and statistics, so I can understand not blindly following that rule. The vaccinations thing... well I prefer my child alive.

yeah our lo has her shots too, but we let her watch tv. It's just interesting for me to see what things people go by and such that's all. And yes the physicalness of the car impact makes sense. I still sometimes feel like if your in a bad accident you die regardless. But that's just my outlook on life as based on luck (can't remember what personality type that was..)

BurnNurse · May 2011

DrinknDerive:
rubredvelvet:
Not dissing the rf reccomendation (we rf still/will), but question about those who so blindly follow the aap... Do you follow all the rules? Like viewing tv, getting every shot, or not bed sharing? I just ask out of curiosity, not mean spirits.
This isn't just a suggestion with subjective research as evidence. The principles of physics back up these suggestions, ya know? The TV-viewing is based on new research and statistics, so I can understand not blindly following that rule. The vaccinations thing... well I prefer my child alive.

If research doesn't convince her, I think I saw someone reference an Angelina Jolie movie once in which she knew she was going to crash so she turned around rear facing.

If *that* ain't concrete evidence, then I dont know what is!

DrinknDerive · May 2011

rubredvelvet:
DrinknDerive:
rubredvelvet:
Not dissing the rf reccomendation (we rf still/will), but question about those who so blindly follow the aap... Do you follow all the rules? Like viewing tv, getting every shot, or not bed sharing? I just ask out of curiosity, not mean spirits.
This isn't just a suggestion with subjective research as evidence. The principles of physics back up these suggestions, ya know? The TV-viewing is based on new research and statistics, so I can understand not blindly following that rule. The vaccinations thing... well I prefer my child alive.
yeah our lo has her shots too, but we let her watch tv. It's just interesting for me to see what things people go by and such that's all. And yes the physicalness of the car impact makes sense. I still sometimes feel like if your in a bad accident you die regardless. But that's just my outlook on life as based on luck (can't remember what personality type that was..)

I don't see pessimism as an excuse to not make every effort you can for your child's safety (not saying that's what you do). It doesn't have to be a really terrible car accident for RF vs FF to make a difference either.

ToledoDeux · May 2011

rubredvelvet:
DrinknDerive:
rubredvelvet:
Not dissing the rf reccomendation (we rf still/will), but question about those who so blindly follow the aap... Do you follow all the rules? Like viewing tv, getting every shot, or not bed sharing? I just ask out of curiosity, not mean spirits.
This isn't just a suggestion with subjective research as evidence. The principles of physics back up these suggestions, ya know? The TV-viewing is based on new research and statistics, so I can understand not blindly following that rule. The vaccinations thing... well I prefer my child alive.
yeah our lo has her shots too, but we let her watch tv. It's just interesting for me to see what things people go by and such that's all. And yes the physicalness of the car impact makes sense. I still sometimes feel like if your in a bad accident you die regardless. But that's just my outlook on life as based on luck (can't remember what personality type that was..)

Watching TV ain't gonna kill my kid.

DrinknDerive · May 2011

BurnNurse:
DrinknDerive:
rubredvelvet:
Not dissing the rf reccomendation (we rf still/will), but question about those who so blindly follow the aap... Do you follow all the rules? Like viewing tv, getting every shot, or not bed sharing? I just ask out of curiosity, not mean spirits.
This isn't just a suggestion with subjective research as evidence. The principles of physics back up these suggestions, ya know? The TV-viewing is based on new research and statistics, so I can understand not blindly following that rule. The vaccinations thing... well I prefer my child alive.

If research doesn't convince her, I think I saw someone reference an Angelina Jolie movie once in which she knew she was going to crash so she turned around rear facing.

If *that* ain't concrete evidence, then I dont know what is!

Touche. I'm going to rework my RF schpeal to include this.

sleepingbeauty825 · May 2011

BurnNurse:
DrinknDerive:
rubredvelvet:
Not dissing the rf reccomendation (we rf still/will), but question about those who so blindly follow the aap... Do you follow all the rules? Like viewing tv, getting every shot, or not bed sharing? I just ask out of curiosity, not mean spirits.
This isn't just a suggestion with subjective research as evidence. The principles of physics back up these suggestions, ya know? The TV-viewing is based on new research and statistics, so I can understand not blindly following that rule. The vaccinations thing... well I prefer my child alive.

If research doesn't convince her, I think I saw someone reference an Angelina Jolie movie once in which she knew she was going to crash so she turned around rear facing.

If *that* ain't concrete evidence, then I dont know what is!

Hahahaha

rubredvelvet · May 2011

DrinknDerive:
rubredvelvet:
DrinknDerive:
rubredvelvet:
Not dissing the rf reccomendation (we rf still/will), but question about those who so blindly follow the aap... Do you follow all the rules? Like viewing tv, getting every shot, or not bed sharing? I just ask out of curiosity, not mean spirits.
This isn't just a suggestion with subjective research as evidence. The principles of physics back up these suggestions, ya know? The TV-viewing is based on new research and statistics, so I can understand not blindly following that rule. The vaccinations thing... well I prefer my child alive.
yeah our lo has her shots too, but we let her watch tv. It's just interesting for me to see what things people go by and such that's all. And yes the physicalness of the car impact makes sense. I still sometimes feel like if your in a bad accident you die regardless. But that's just my outlook on life as based on luck (can't remember what personality type that was..)
I don't see pessimism as an excuse to not make every effort you can for your child's safety (not saying that's what you do). It doesn't have to be a really terrible car accident for RF vs FF to make a difference either.

no, I do understand even slight accidents can be fatal for babies. We do everything we can to keep her safe in the car. But I just wonder things like, eating organic. To some and to some research can be very dangerous not too. Or smoking, or I just read something about letting babies eat on command and not setting schedules as the safest and healthiest things for our children. I try to do what I can, and I guess my whole long point is people seem to pick and choose which they do. I try to do all I can, but it's never easy - the life of a parent I suppose.

rubredvelvet · May 2011

Brandi Bee:
rubredvelvet:
Not dissing the rf reccomendation (we rf still/will), but question about those who so blindly follow the aap... Do you follow all the rules? Like viewing tv, getting every shot, or not bed sharing? I just ask out of curiosity, not mean spirits.
Out of curiosity, what prompted your parenting choices?

which ones?

rubredvelvet · May 2011

ToledoDeux:
rubredvelvet:
DrinknDerive:
rubredvelvet:
Not dissing the rf reccomendation (we rf still/will), but question about those who so blindly follow the aap... Do you follow all the rules? Like viewing tv, getting every shot, or not bed sharing? I just ask out of curiosity, not mean spirits.
This isn't just a suggestion with subjective research as evidence. The principles of physics back up these suggestions, ya know? The TV-viewing is based on new research and statistics, so I can understand not blindly following that rule. The vaccinations thing... well I prefer my child alive.
yeah our lo has her shots too, but we let her watch tv. It's just interesting for me to see what things people go by and such that's all. And yes the physicalness of the car impact makes sense. I still sometimes feel like if your in a bad accident you die regardless. But that's just my outlook on life as based on luck (can't remember what personality type that was..)
Watching TV ain't gonna kill my kid.

I know right? My lo loves old Disney sing along VHS tapes I have! And I love watching them with her.

DrinknDerive · May 2011

You certainly are making this difficult. Answers in bold below.

rubredvelvet:
no, I do understand even slight accidents can be fatal for babies. We do everything we can to keep her safe in the car. But I just wonder things like, eating organic. Totally subjective at this point, but who doesn't want to limit their children's chemical exposure? To some and to some research can be very dangerous not too. Or smoking NEVER okay around kids. That's a consensus in the medical community. Seriously. , or I just read something about letting babies eat on command and not setting schedules as the safest and healthiest things for our children. Eating on command seems to be the most common tactic with newborns, at least to singleton moms around here. I try to do what I can, and I guess my whole long point is people seem to pick and choose which they do. I try to do all I can, but it's never easy - the life of a parent I suppose. Life as a parent is indeed full of hard decisions. The best we can do is to educate ourselves.

bobbyme · May 2011

rubredvelvet:
DrinknDerive:
rubredvelvet:
DrinknDerive:
rubredvelvet:
Not dissing the rf reccomendation (we rf still/will), but question about those who so blindly follow the aap... Do you follow all the rules? Like viewing tv, getting every shot, or not bed sharing? I just ask out of curiosity, not mean spirits.
This isn't just a suggestion with subjective research as evidence. The principles of physics back up these suggestions, ya know? The TV-viewing is based on new research and statistics, so I can understand not blindly following that rule. The vaccinations thing... well I prefer my child alive.
yeah our lo has her shots too, but we let her watch tv. It's just interesting for me to see what things people go by and such that's all. And yes the physicalness of the car impact makes sense. I still sometimes feel like if your in a bad accident you die regardless. But that's just my outlook on life as based on luck (can't remember what personality type that was..)
I don't see pessimism as an excuse to not make every effort you can for your child's safety (not saying that's what you do). It doesn't have to be a really terrible car accident for RF vs FF to make a difference either.
no, I do understand even slight accidents can be fatal for babies. We do everything we can to keep her safe in the car. But I just wonder things like, eating organic. To some and to some research can be very dangerous not too. Or smoking, or I just read something about letting babies eat on command and not setting schedules as the safest and healthiest things for our children. I try to do what I can, and I guess my whole long point is people seem to pick and choose which they do. I try to do all I can, but it's never easy - the life of a parent I suppose.

derrrr...what?

ETA: MUD

BurnNurse · May 2011

I think it was Gone in 60 seconds. Jolie was a B-A rear facer!

rubredvelvet · May 2011

DrinknDerive:
You certainly are making this difficult. Answers in bold below.
rubredvelvet:
no, I do understand even slight accidents can be fatal for babies. We do everything we can to keep her safe in the car. But I just wonder things like, eating organic. Totally subjective at this point, but who doesn't want to limit their children's chemical exposure? To some and to some research can be very dangerous not too. Or smoking NEVER okay around kids. That's a consensus in the medical community. Seriously. , or I just read something about letting babies eat on command and not setting schedules as the safest and healthiest things for our children. Eating on command seems to be the most common tactic with newborns, at least to singleton moms around here. I try to do what I can, and I guess my whole long point is people seem to pick and choose which they do. I try to do all I can, but it's never easy - the life of a parent I suppose. Life as a parent is indeed full of hard decisions. The best we can do is to educate ourselves.

I hope you i don't do all those things, I'm just saying people might do one but not the other and I just wonder their reasoning that's all. I will stop it with the what ifs I suppose. No harm or need to explain why each is bad - I'm not dull( saying that with the full aware of the set up).

DrinknDerive · May 2011

Okey dokey. I do do all of those things, but I will no longer engage you, as this MUD isn't even fun.

Also, I must have you know, I'm giggling at my use of "do do" above.

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