Ok, I guess I'm confused about exactly what CIO means. I let my son cry a whopping 15 mins alone to fall asleep for all of like 2 nights when he was adjusting to the crib after 3 weeks of co-sleeping. He was well cared for in every respect leading up to those 15 mins, but, yes, I allowed him to cry for 15 mins when he woke up and cried upon being placed in the crib. Horrible parent for letting him do that at such a young age? Apparently according the the consensus here.
When people criticize CIO, as I've already been reprimanded for and as I've seen highly looked down upon in posts today, what length of time for CIO are we talking about here? Do you never ever ever put a baby down in a swing, bouncer, crib, play mat, etc. even for a few mins when you've done all you can think of and they are crying?
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8 months doesn't seem too young to me.
edit - now I am confused, is this an 8 month old that you let CIO at 3 weeks? That sounds young to me, I had heard they can't self soothe until 4 months, but I guess if it worked for you...
This, and I read it wrong too!
People are going to do what they feel is right for their child, regardless of what may be the 'norm', or even 'acceptable' by others. I personally don't agree with it and wouldn't do it, but if it works for you, then that's fine.
I'm pretty sure when people on the bump are referring to CIO, it's leaving their child in their crib to cry themselves to sleep. It's different than putting them down for a few minutes because they need a break from the crying. They will eventually go back in a few minutes to try to soothe their baby.
From how I read your post, you let a 3 week old CIO for 15 minutes? Is that right? It's not recommended to do CIO until at least 4 months, some say 6 months. A baby that young can't self soothe, and is crying for a need whether it be food, a change, or cuddles. LO spent 9 months snuggly and warm inside of you and needs that for quite some time afterwards.
I personally can't let my 20 week old cry for longer than a few minutes, when it comes to bedtime. If I'm doing something and she starts crying during the day, I finish what I can as fast as possible and then go to her. At night, I do let your fuss, to me that is completely different than crying it out. She grunts and moves around her crib and fusses, and then usually she falls asleep. If it lasts longer than 5 minutes, I go to her and pat her back, and if she starts to cry at all, I pick her up and take her back to the rocking chair. She only wakes up once now that we are through the 4 month wakeful (*knock on wood*), and that is either at 3 or 5am to eat, and then she goes right back to sleep.
Like I said, that is what's working for me. Some CIO, and I don't judge, it's just not for me, but at any rate 3 weeks is WAY too young.
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I'm also confused. But if you let him cry alone even for 15 minutes at 3 weeks old you suck.
Same..
yet, I'm still confused!
ETA: Nevermind.. I got it, guys!
Yes, horrible me, I let him cry in the crib for 15 mins at 3 weeks old for 2 nights in a row. Ever since then, it's a very rare night that he cries at all at any point after his last feed and he's been sttn based off of the 6 hr definition since about 6 weeks and sttn for about 10 hr chunks since he was 10 weeks. His crib is about 3 feet from the foot of our bed so he's well monitored. I've seen him soothe himself with his fingers from day 1. I could never swaddle the kid because he'd scream without access to his hands. I never imagined anyone would get criticized for letting him cry for 15 mins but maybe I misused the term CIO or maybe what I did was just really horrific to some people.
It's fine. Everyone on here thinks their kids will turn into messed up sociopaths if the CIO before 4 months but it's BS. Babies don't always need something.
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I agree! Everyone kept telling me to stop spoiling my daughter & she needs to learn to just cry. At around 3 months I tried because my husband is in the Army & was gone & in order to eat or do anything she had to cry. Well I tried it for alittle longer each time & boy that did not work at all!! Everyone told me to just let her cry & she'll get over it soon. BS! My daughter got way worse with the minute. I will not let her do that anymore. Now at 5 months she naps like 2 hrs in her crib with 0 fuss & that was on her timing. I didn't force it, I just one day tried & she went down. Weeks before that she would FLIP out if I put her down for naps. The same thing happened with swaddling. I tried breaking her at 2 months...yea right! She did it on her own at like 4 months. Going with with you LO tells you. Don't force things, go with it. It may take a bit to get LO in crib, hence the reason people say do not co sleep. Just saying...
I do think it's horrid to let your 3 week old baby cry for 15 minutes. I thought your baby was 4 months old by your ticker.
You just seem like you want to stir up $hit. Obviously your gonna do what your gonna do with your baby....you see nothing wrong with it and actually think it was a good thing.
No, sorry worded it wrong, forgot EXACTLY what was going on that day BUT it was the time my husband was gone for a month because he's in the army. I was trying to do what EVERYONE told me to do, let her cry. It wasn't because I didn't care & just wanted to get ready.
IMO, letting a baby under the age of 6 months cry alone with no comfort, INTENTIONALLY, for more than the time it takes to get to them, is detrimental to their development.
I'm sorry you feel this way. I'm genuinely not trying to stir anything up. I don't know how you're making those assessments because I never said it was a good thing...just that I was confused. I was just stating what happened...and what's done is done. It's not like I can go back and try to soothe him for those 15 mins that took place 3 months ago. I don't deny, however, that after those 2 nights sleep was a lot better for everyone and I have continued to wake up to a smiling baby in the morning who remains a more-often-than-not extremely content baby throughout the day.
When I did that at the time I was following advice from a fair number of people who have either IMO successfully raised children or who currently have LOs that seem entirely well-adjusted. I had no idea that letting a kid cry for 15 mins at that age was at all controversial.
I understand there is a difference from the parents' perspective between allowing your kid to cry when you could soothe them versus them crying when you can't (i.e. if they start having a meltdown in the car), but is there a difference to the child? I do have to question whether there is any more detriment to their development if you let them cry for 15 mins in the crib versus not pulling over immediately if they start crying in the car. Is there even any difference between them crying for 15 mins in the crib versus trying to soothe them unsuccessfully for 15 mins. It just seems debatable to me.
Goodness its one thing telling her thats early its another saying that in a very rude manner & saying she's being sh*tty. Damn!
I just can't imagine what it would feel like to be completely immobile, and be left to cry. It makes me sick to think about my LO laying in her crib, not even able to sit up on her own, and crying for me.
That's just my opinion though.
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Not going to flame you, but I will answer you: When my baby cries, I soothe her.
If we were adjusting to the crib, I'd soothe her. She needs it. I think it's a rare child who just needs to lay alone and scream.
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It wasn't fun listening to him cry. In fact, I myself was practically crying to DH. Co-sleeping was working out horribly and there were a few nights where I was practically hysterical trying futilely to soothe him once we gave it up. I talked to friends and family at that point and, as I previously mentioned, I followed advice from these people I trust. I get the sense I'm being painted as some horrible monster that has absolutely no feelings about my child and no concern for his well-being or development. Nothing could be further from the truth.
So does everyone who disagrees with CIO pull the car over if LO starts crying? It's an honest question. Crying without soothing seems like crying without soothing from the child's developmental perspective if that's what the argument is. I can't imagine it's any more frightening or "detrimental to development" to be strapped in a car seat and crying than to be in a crib and crying.
The difference is that you seem to think your LO learned how to go to sleep on his own by crying himself to sleep. He was 3 weeks old. He did not learn to self soothe, he gave up. Babies' response to trauma is sleeping. I'm not saying your kid will be a sociopath because of it, and I'm not saying you're a horrible person- I'm saying it was a developmentally inappropriate technique to get him to sleep and IMO, at 3 weeks it was pretty crappy. There is no one in the world, regardless of how much I trust them, that could convince me to let my 3 week old CIO.
If LO starts crying in a car I can talk to him, replace his paci at red lights, stroke his head. See the difference? I'm not trying to teach him anything, I'm trying to get home from the grocery store- sometimes the crying is unavoidable but I can still soothe him. And yes, if he really starts to melt down I pull the car over.
This. And yes, I pull over. It once took me over 3 hours to get home from a 45 minute trip because P screamed the whole way. Like J+MS said, I would pull over, rock her, soothe her, and put her back in. I sing to her, talk to her, give her binkys, toys, whatever it takes, if all else fails, I pull over.
Crying is the only way your baby has to communicate with you, babies cry because they need something or want something, and yes, to a baby, a "want" is the same as a "need" IMO.
And as far as the whole co-sleeping, you were at your wits end, whatever....
Yeah, my H is deployed, will be for the next 7 months, it takes sometimes 3 hours to get P to bed, and then she is up 3-4 times at night b/c she is teething, and just getting over the 4 month wakeful. Never once will I or have I ever let her CIO. I'm doing this 100% by my self, and I'm exhausted, but I made the decision to have this baby, and it is my responsibility, and pleasure, to soothe her, and meet her needs.
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I couldn't let my baby cry and not go to him. Some people have that ability, I don't understand it and I don't agree with it. I agree w/pp that it was a poor decision on your part.
Also, YES! i pull over if its more than a reasonable distance from home. I have pulled over and gotten in the back to BF DS for about 45 minutes when we were about a 1/2hour away from home. I think it's natural to want to soothe your child and I personally don't have it in me to listen to him in that state.
As soon as I am able to, I do pull my car over if DD is upset in the car. Especially when she was only a couple of weeks old. If DH is driving I will generally just lean my seat back so she can see me, offer her paci and talk to her and that tends to soothe her enough to stop crying, but if it is just the 2 of us the I would stop.
This.
I never let LO cry it out and she sleeps fine anywhere unswaddled, all I have to do is put her down when she's tired and she immediately falls asleep. She slept 6+ hrs at 4 weeks, 7+ at 6 weeks and now 10-12 hours. I'm happy to say that I was always there for her when she cried whether she wanted something or just needed some cuddling time. I thoroughly enjoyed it and now at almost 5 mos, she's so independent!!
No one can determine that CIO is ok with babies unless they analyze their children as they get older. There have been studies that suggest when babies cry, they need some sort of attention. I highly agree with this. Even if someone lets their kid CIO as a baby, and they analyze their kid as they grow, it's all relative as to whether you think it affected your kid or not. My mom never let any of her kids CIO and we all grew up very happy and are all very well rounded, educated, no issues individuals.
The fact of the matter is, when you have a brand new baby, what else could be more important than keeping that baby near to you and attending to him/ her?? Instead of rushing to CIO at only a few weeks, we decided to spend time with our little baby and learning about her cues, which has paid off because she still falls asleep on her own. If we put her down too early, she's start fussing then we'll just play with her a little more, and she'll fall asleep after that.
Agreed! I let mine CIO for 15 min 2 nights in a row at 5 wks and he has been STTN ever since.
CIO is really about how old the baby is and what is working for you. I judge people who make their 2 or 5 week olds CIO. Anything over 5 or 6 months, I think it is just about what works for the baby. Not every baby is CIO material, just like not every baby is crawling right at 6 months, or potty trained right at 2 years old. KWIM?
I personally do not have the stomach for CIO but I'm very lucky to have a baby who self soothes well and if he's crying, it's usually because he is hot or hungry- both of which are easily remedied!
In my own mind, I tell myself I can't do CIO because I want DS to know that if he's hurt or upset, an adult will always help him. Maybe that is a little far fetched, but that's how I feel.