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are we really ready?

My DH and i have been married for 11 months now, and have been together for almost 8 years! I am only 21 and still have another year left of school, but DH is 23 and done with school and is working full time. We have enough money to support us and should be fine supporting a baby as well. i'm so ready to have a baby, but DH would like to wait to pay off my student loans, which could take years, depending on how good of a job i get out of school! i can't imagine waiting that long! i know i seem young, but i feel as if we are ready for a baby! how do we know if we should wait till loans are paid off or to start now!
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  • That's really only something that you and your H can answer. Internet strangers shouldn't have any control over when you ttc. However, if you both feel you're ready and you can financially support a baby, then you will more than likely have "support" from most people here. 
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  • If you wait for the perfect time to have a baby you'll never have one. Do what you and DH both think is best for your family.

    I was 19 years old when DH and I had DD1...age really doesn't matter. As long as you both love eachother and can financially & emotionally support your child.

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  • We can't really tell you if you are ready..it is something you and your husband have to discuss and decide. if he isn't on board with TTC until loans are paid off, then he probably isn't ready.
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  • Well... Once those loans are paid off then what, you won't accumulate any additional debt?  There are always going to be bills.  But if you're DH isn't ready (for whatever reason) then it looks like you'll just need to wait until you're both ready.  Having a baby isn't 100% about money.
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  • I don't know, are you?

    Maybe you should talk to YH instead of asking a board of internet strangers.

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  • I agree with Mrs. Slick. Really the only people that can know if you are ready to become parents are you and YH. We can say go for it or no you should wait. But, your life is not our life. We are not YH. You should really talk to him and the 2 of you need to figure out when the time will be right for you.
  • I'd say that if your DH isn't ready, then no, you're not ready. My recommendation is for you to finish school and then discuss it with your husband again. Good luck!
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  • I feel like if you have to ask, then the answer is no. Why not wait a few years? Enjoy being married for goodness sakes.
  • imagedenahamilton@cox.net:

    If you wait for the perfect time to have a baby you'll never have one. Do what you and DH both think is best for your family.

    I was 19 years old when DH and I had DD1...age really doesn't matter. As long as you both love eachother and can financially & emotionally support your child.

    Sorry, but I have to disagree with this. No matter how much you think you are "ready" in your teens, you can't be. Brains aren't fully formed for good decision making until your mid-20's. Not to say kids rasied by teen parents can't turn out well, or that some teen parents don't do a good job. But age certainly IS a factor you should consider.

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    If you wait for the perfect time to have a baby you'll never have one. Do what you and DH both think is best for your family.

    I was 19 years old when DH and I had DD1...age really doesn't matter. As long as you both love eachother and can financially & emotionally support your child.

    Sorry, but I have to disagree with this. No matter how much you think you are "ready" in your teens, you can't be. Brains aren't fully formed for good decision making until your mid-20's. Not to say kids rasied by teen parents can't turn out well, or that some teen parents don't do a good job. But age certainly IS a factor you should consider.

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    imagedenahamilton@cox.net:

    If you wait for the perfect time to have a baby you'll never have one. Do what you and DH both think is best for your family.

    I was 19 years old when DH and I had DD1...age really doesn't matter. As long as you both love eachother and can financially & emotionally support your child.

    Sorry, but I have to disagree with this. No matter how much you think you are "ready" in your teens, you can't be. Brains aren't fully formed for good decision making until your mid-20's. Not to say kids rasied by teen parents can't turn out well, or that some teen parents don't do a good job. But age certainly IS a factor you should consider.

    That's pretty bold.

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    imagedenahamilton@cox.net:

    If you wait for the perfect time to have a baby you'll never have one. Do what you and DH both think is best for your family.

    I was 19 years old when DH and I had DD1...age really doesn't matter. As long as you both love eachother and can financially & emotionally support your child.

    Sorry, but I have to disagree with this. No matter how much you think you are "ready" in your teens, you can't be. Brains aren't fully formed for good decision making until your mid-20's. Not to say kids rasied by teen parents can't turn out well, or that some teen parents don't do a good job. But age certainly IS a factor you should consider.

    That's pretty bold.

    Not really, its science. Humans brains are not fully prepared to handle adult jobs in their teens. Also, read what I wrote under that sentence.

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  • You need to make sure you're both on board, it wont work if only one is ready, no matter what the reason is. Financially you will never be fully ready, something will always come up. I will tell you that we follow Dave Ramseys advice and we have gotten alot of debt paid off really fast. Just Sayin'. Good Luck to you and YH in making a desicion that works for both of you.
  • I don't think that because your H isn't ready today won't mean he won't be ready tomorrow.  It just needs to be something that you both discuss and keep open communication about, esp. if it is important to you.

    My DH has been so back and forth about us having a baby, but I think he just gets scared when we say we are TTC vs. 'just letting it happen'.  He wants a baby so badly, but he had a rough childhood with his folks and is so worried about being a good father.  At the end of the day we just have to communicate, and if someone is/isn't on the same page anymore in the future than we have to agree to TTC or not based on that.

    Everyone is different, so the best source to get an answer will be your H.  I know that is not the answer you want, it can be really hard to sometimes when you both aren't on the same page, but just be honest with him and communicate how you are feeling. 

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    No matter how much you think you are "ready" in your teens, you can't be.

    Hahahahahahahahahahahaha, I'm pretty sure you can. 

    It may not be ideal, but come on! It happens, and it doesnt always turn out to be the train wreck that '16 & Pregnant' depicts.

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    imageSheenaNash1:

    No matter how much you think you are "ready" in your teens, you can't be.

    Hahahahahahahahahahahaha, I'm pretty sure you can. 

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    I feel like if you have to ask, then the answer is no. Why not wait a few years? Enjoy being married for goodness sakes.

     

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  • Keyourtnee - I'll say it again, please read what I wrote on the very next sentence of that response. But it's good that you can pick out words to suit your point.

    And if anyone can show me a teen couple who is financially stable, not living paycheck to paycheck without credit cards, and ready to be parents, and who don't have a trust fund or help from their parents, please let me know. Cause I haven't met one yet.

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    Keyourtnee - I'll say it again, please read what I wrote on the very next sentence of that response. But it's good that you can pick out words to suit your point.

    And if anyone can show me a teen couple who is financially stable, not living paycheck to paycheck without credit cards, and ready to be parents, and who don't have a trust fund or help from their parents, please let me know. Cause I haven't met one yet.

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    Keyourtnee - I'll say it again, please read what I wrote on the very next sentence of that response. But it's good that you can pick out words to suit your point.

    And if anyone can show me a teen couple who is financially stable, not living paycheck to paycheck without credit cards, and ready to be parents, and who don't have a trust fund or help from their parents, please let me know. Cause I haven't met one yet.

    Oh, I read it all. I chose to respond to your point that made me laugh at your ignorance. And, most (adult) Americans are living paycheck to paycheck WITH credit cards. Wink 

    Stop reading statistics and venture out into the real world!

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    Well... Once those loans are paid off then what, you won't accumulate any additional debt?  There are always going to be bills. But if you're DH isn't ready (for whatever reason) then it looks like you'll just need to wait until you're both ready. Having a baby isn't 100% about money.

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     You should sit down & talk to YH, because there is a chance that it's NOT just paying off loans that's making him want to wait. It could run deeper than that. That is something you need to discuss with him. Being financially ready is one thing. Being emotionally ready is another. GL!

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  • Haha, no snarky-ness at all!

    Of course not, and like I said, it is definately not the ideal situation. If anything, I have learned from it and will do everything I can so that my daughter doesn't have to go through what I did growing up so fast. Im not advocating teen pregnancy in any way. Im saying that such broad statements are ignorant. Its like saying "I don't know of any honest lawyers, so all lawyers are filthy, lying, thieves"

    Not really fair, is it?

    ETA - Obviously meant to quote LegalPawn

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    Haha, no snarky-ness at all!

    Of course not, and like I said, it is definately not the ideal situation. If anything, I have learned from it and will do everything I can so that my daughter doesn't have to go through what I did growing up so fast. Im not advocating teen pregnancy in any way. Im saying that such broad statements are ignorant. Its like saying "I don't know of any honest lawyers, so all lawyers are filthy, lying, thieves"

    Not really fair, is it?

    ETA - Obviously meant to quote LegalPawn

    It is not the same thing at all. It's basic science that brains aren't fully developed until a certain age and speaking from experience unexpected pregnancies when you are young aren't the best indicator of good decision making skills and thought processes. If it's a good idea why aren't you advocating it for your daughter?
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    Keyourtnee - I'll say it again, please read what I wrote on the very next sentence of that response. But it's good that you can pick out words to suit your point.

    And if anyone can show me a teen couple who is financially stable, not living paycheck to paycheck without credit cards, and ready to be parents, and who don't have a trust fund or help from their parents, please let me know. Cause I haven't met one yet.

    Oh, I read it all. I chose to respond to your point that made me laugh at your ignorance. And, most (adult) Americans are living paycheck to paycheck WITH credit cards. Wink 

    Stop reading statistics and venture out into the real world!

    Just because people do, doesn't mean it's a good idea. The real world is full of train wrecks...a lot of them got married, had children at an early age and ended up divorced and wondering what the hell happened to their lives. 

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    imagekeyourtnee:

    Haha, no snarky-ness at all!

    Of course not, and like I said, it is definately not the ideal situation. If anything, I have learned from it and will do everything I can so that my daughter doesn't have to go through what I did growing up so fast. Im not advocating teen pregnancy in any way. Im saying that such broad statements are ignorant. Its like saying "I don't know of any honest lawyers, so all lawyers are filthy, lying, thieves"

    Not really fair, is it?

    ETA - Obviously meant to quote LegalPawn

    It is not the same thing at all. It's basic science that brains aren't fully developed until a certain age and speaking from experience unexpected pregnancies when you are young aren't the best indicator of good decision making skills and thought processes. If it's a good idea why aren't you advocating it for your daughter?

    Get out of my head!!! Wink

    I gotchu grrrrrrrrl!!!!! 11111!!! 1 If teen pregnancy was ever not set up to fail A LOT of family lawyers would be out of lifetime clients and vacation houses lol. Some people make it work (and everyones definition of working is different) but they are the exception not the rule.
  • I think that is a personal choice between you and your dh. My husband and I decided to pay off all of our debt before TTC and it was the right thing for us. But everyone's circumstances is different.  I
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  • Whoa, whoa, whoa. I don't think I ever said that teen pregnancy was a good idea. In fact, I said it was not ideal. I was responding to the statement that you CANNOT do it. Just because you CAN do it, means it's a good idea? No, no, no. I think that I would know (having gone through it) just how hard it is. Yes, you have to have help from your family. I was in no way saying "Teen pregnancy is fine, because I did it and it turned out great!" I was saying you CAN do it. I wasn't offering the advice to OP to not worry about age, because she isn't even in her teens. I was merely responding to a post that I personally found offensive. Turning it into me saying Teen Pregnancy is a good thing is a little bit of a stretch.
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  • "Teen pregnancy is 100% preventable."

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    imagedenahamilton@cox.net:

    If you wait for the perfect time to have a baby you'll never have one. Do what you and DH both think is best for your family.

    I was 19 years old when DH and I had DD1...age really doesn't matter. As long as you both love eachother and can financially & emotionally support your child.

    Sorry, but I have to disagree with this. No matter how much you think you are "ready" in your teens, you can't be. Brains aren't fully formed for good decision making until your mid-20's. Not to say kids rasied by teen parents can't turn out well, or that some teen parents don't do a good job. But age certainly IS a factor you should consider.

    Women have been having babies in their teen years for thousands of years. In fact, it used to be the norm. I just read an article today that said that more than 25% of unplanned pregnancies between married couples are aborted. Now take the statistic for what it's worth but it certainly says something about ANY couple's ability to parent. Age can certainly play a factor in one's ability to parent but that's doesn't mean that age can make someone incapable of parenting as your post suggests.

    Aside from all that, didn't the OP say she is 21 and therefore not a teen??

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    imagedenahamilton@cox.net:

    If you wait for the perfect time to have a baby you'll never have one. Do what you and DH both think is best for your family.

    I was 19 years old when DH and I had DD1...age really doesn't matter. As long as you both love eachother and can financially & emotionally support your child.

    Sorry, but I have to disagree with this. No matter how much you think you are "ready" in your teens, you can't be. Brains aren't fully formed for good decision making until your mid-20's. Not to say kids rasied by teen parents can't turn out well, or that some teen parents don't do a good job. But age certainly IS a factor you should consider.

    I TOTALLY agree. Thinking and problem-solving processes in the brain of a 24 year old compared to even a 26 year old can differ like night and day. A few years of learning, and growing make the world of difference. At 24 and younger, it SEEMS like you know what's best for yourself, and you've got the world figured out, but you are still developing thinking patterns, personality and learning who you are. Making lifelong decisions during this time isn't ideal...although it doesn't mean the decisions will be regretted or wrong.

    Age is a factor.

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    Teenage pregnancies for alllllllll!!!!!!!

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    imageSheenaNash1:
    imagedenahamilton@cox.net:

    If you wait for the perfect time to have a baby you'll never have one. Do what you and DH both think is best for your family.

    I was 19 years old when DH and I had DD1...age really doesn't matter. As long as you both love eachother and can financially & emotionally support your child.

    Sorry, but I have to disagree with this. No matter how much you think you are "ready" in your teens, you can't be. Brains aren't fully formed for good decision making until your mid-20's. Not to say kids rasied by teen parents can't turn out well, or that some teen parents don't do a good job. But age certainly IS a factor you should consider.

    I TOTALLY agree. Thinking and problem-solving processes in the brain of a 24 year old compared to even a 26 year old can differ like night and day. A few years of learning, and growing make the world of difference. At 24 and younger, it SEEMS like you know what's best for yourself, and you've got the world figured out, but you are still developing thinking patterns, personality and learning who you are. Making lifelong decisions during this time isn't ideal...although it doesn't mean the decisions will be regretted or wrong.

    Age is a factor.

    With that logic, is a 35 year old more capable of parenting than a 30 year old? They do have 5 more years of life experience after all. I'm not AT ALL advocating teen pregnancy but there are plenty of "adults" who fail at parenting and there are plenty of teens who don't. I agree that age can have an affect but it's not the only, or even the main, factor.
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    imagedenahamilton@cox.net:

    If you wait for the perfect time to have a baby you'll never have one. Do what you and DH both think is best for your family.

    I was 19 years old when DH and I had DD1...age really doesn't matter. As long as you both love eachother and can financially & emotionally support your child.

    Sorry, but I have to disagree with this. No matter how much you think you are "ready" in your teens, you can't be. Brains aren't fully formed for good decision making until your mid-20's. Not to say kids rasied by teen parents can't turn out well, or that some teen parents don't do a good job. But age certainly IS a factor you should consider.

    I TOTALLY agree. Thinking and problem-solving processes in the brain of a 24 year old compared to even a 26 year old can differ like night and day. A few years of learning, and growing make the world of difference. At 24 and younger, it SEEMS like you know what's best for yourself, and you've got the world figured out, but you are still developing thinking patterns, personality and learning who you are. Making lifelong decisions during this time isn't ideal...although it doesn't mean the decisions will be regretted or wrong.

    Age is a factor.

    Whoa. Wait a minute. I am 23(22 when I got PG) so technically you are saying that I was not ready to have my child or make the best decision. Or, according to you, I don't know what IS best for myself which would then correlate to not knowing what is best for my family. I have been through more life experiences then most people who are in the 50's have been so way to lump everyone into one category and not take their life experience into consideration.Confused

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    Keyourtnee - I'll say it again, please read what I wrote on the very next sentence of that response. But it's good that you can pick out words to suit your point.

    And if anyone can show me a teen couple who is financially stable, not living paycheck to paycheck without credit cards, and ready to be parents, and who don't have a trust fund or help from their parents, please let me know. Cause I haven't met one yet.

    Oh, I read it all. I chose to respond to your point that made me laugh at your ignorance. And, most (adult) Americans are living paycheck to paycheck WITH credit cards. Wink 

    Stop reading statistics and venture out into the real world!

    Maybe I need to make myself more clear...

    My first post was in response to someone who said that age doesn't really matter (or something that effect) when planning a family, which is clearly not true. Age is a HUGE factor when planning a family.

    Second, the OP was talking about being READY to have a child. A teen (or young adult) who gets pregnant on accident and then steps up to the plate and does their job in being a parent is very, very different than being ready to be a parent. Being ready means planning, taking time to be thoughtful about you choices before you TTC, and getting your affairs in order. It also means having conversations about parenting styles, money, etc with your partner or support system. Getting pregnant at a young age and then doing what you are supposed to do for a child is quite another thing.

    Third, I would hardly say that what I said was the same as putting all people in one group (like your lawyer example). What I said was merely that young adults and teens do not have the same thought process when it comes to judgement and foresight because of the differences in their brains.

    It seems you got confused and got offended because you were a teen mom once. I'm sorry you took that personally, but I stand by my words. Age matters.

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    If you wait for the perfect time to have a baby you'll never have one. Do what you and DH both think is best for your family.

    I was 19 years old when DH and I had DD1...age really doesn't matter. As long as you both love eachother and can financially & emotionally support your child.

    Sorry, but I have to disagree with this. No matter how much you think you are "ready" in your teens, you can't be. Brains aren't fully formed for good decision making until your mid-20's. Not to say kids rasied by teen parents can't turn out well, or that some teen parents don't do a good job. But age certainly IS a factor you should consider.

    Women have been having babies in their teen years for thousands of years. In fact, it used to be the norm. I just read an article today that said that more than 25% of unplanned pregnancies between married couples are aborted. Now take the statistic for what it's worth but it certainly says something about ANY couple's ability to parent. Age can certainly play a factor in one's ability to parent but that's doesn't mean that age can make someone incapable of parenting as your post suggests.

    Aside from all that, didn't the OP say she is 21 and therefore not a teen??

     article :  https://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/gpr/12/2/gpr120213.html

    My post didn't suggest that. I said specifically that some young parents do a good job....holy he!! is it Tuesday already??

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    imageSheenaNash1:
    imagedenahamilton@cox.net:

    If you wait for the perfect time to have a baby you'll never have one. Do what you and DH both think is best for your family.

    I was 19 years old when DH and I had DD1...age really doesn't matter. As long as you both love eachother and can financially & emotionally support your child.

    Sorry, but I have to disagree with this. No matter how much you think you are "ready" in your teens, you can't be. Brains aren't fully formed for good decision making until your mid-20's. Not to say kids rasied by teen parents can't turn out well, or that some teen parents don't do a good job. But age certainly IS a factor you should consider.

    Women have been having babies in their teen years for thousands of years. In fact, it used to be the norm. I just read an article today that said that more than 25% of unplanned pregnancies between married couples are aborted. Now take the statistic for what it's worth but it certainly says something about ANY couple's ability to parent. Age can certainly play a factor in one's ability to parent but that's doesn't mean that age can make someone incapable of parenting as your post suggests.

    Aside from all that, didn't the OP say she is 21 and therefore not a teen??

     article :  https://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/gpr/12/2/gpr120213.html

    My post didn't suggest that. I said specifically that some young parents do a good job....holy he!! is it Tuesday already??

    Just because you said that some teen parents can do a good job doesn't negate the fact that you said that young people CAN'T BE READY. That is what you said, correct? I understand that you're saying that age matters. I agree. But you're making it seem like young people CAN'T BE READY... because, well, that's what you said. 

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    imagedenahamilton@cox.net:

    If you wait for the perfect time to have a baby you'll never have one. Do what you and DH both think is best for your family.

    I was 19 years old when DH and I had DD1...age really doesn't matter. As long as you both love eachother and can financially & emotionally support your child.

    Sorry, but I have to disagree with this. No matter how much you think you are "ready" in your teens, you can't be. Brains aren't fully formed for good decision making until your mid-20's. Not to say kids rasied by teen parents can't turn out well, or that some teen parents don't do a good job. But age certainly IS a factor you should consider.

    Women have been having babies in their teen years for thousands of years. In fact, it used to be the norm. I just read an article today that said that more than 25% of unplanned pregnancies between married couples are aborted. Now take the statistic for what it's worth but it certainly says something about ANY couple's ability to parent. Age can certainly play a factor in one's ability to parent but that's doesn't mean that age can make someone incapable of parenting as your post suggests.

    Aside from all that, didn't the OP say she is 21 and therefore not a teen??

     article :  https://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/gpr/12/2/gpr120213.html

    My post didn't suggest that. I said specifically that some young parents do a good job....holy he!! is it Tuesday already??

    Just because you said that some teen parents can do a good job doesn't negate the fact that you said that young people CAN'T BE READY. That is what you said, correct? I understand that you're saying that age matters. I agree. But you're making it seem like young people CAN'T BE READY... because, well, that's what you said. 

    Did you really miss her whole explination? We aren't talking about their ability to parent after the fact we are talking about their preparedness prior to even getting pregnant.

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    If you wait for the perfect time to have a baby you'll never have one. Do what you and DH both think is best for your family.

    I was 19 years old when DH and I had DD1...age really doesn't matter. As long as you both love eachother and can financially & emotionally support your child.

    Sorry, but I have to disagree with this. No matter how much you think you are "ready" in your teens, you can't be. Brains aren't fully formed for good decision making until your mid-20's. Not to say kids rasied by teen parents can't turn out well, or that some teen parents don't do a good job. But age certainly IS a factor you should consider.

    Women have been having babies in their teen years for thousands of years. In fact, it used to be the norm. I just read an article today that said that more than 25% of unplanned pregnancies between married couples are aborted. Now take the statistic for what it's worth but it certainly says something about ANY couple's ability to parent. Age can certainly play a factor in one's ability to parent but that's doesn't mean that age can make someone incapable of parenting as your post suggests.

    Aside from all that, didn't the OP say she is 21 and therefore not a teen??

     article :  https://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/gpr/12/2/gpr120213.html

    My post didn't suggest that. I said specifically that some young parents do a good job....holy he!! is it Tuesday already??

    Just because you said that some teen parents can do a good job doesn't negate the fact that you said that young people CAN'T BE READY. That is what you said, correct? I understand that you're saying that age matters. I agree. But you're making it seem like young people CAN'T BE READY... because, well, that's what you said. 

    Did you really miss her whole explination? We aren't talking about their ability to parent after the fact we are talking about their preparedness prior to even getting pregnant.

    I did understand her explanation. We'll just have to agree to disagree. There are many young women under 25 (as she did say mid-20s) who can make a decision to get pregnant and be a successful parent. There are also many older women who make the decision to get pregnant and are not successful parents. Perhaps that part of the brain that's not fully developed has to so with some other kind of decision making...

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  • maybe i should have been more clear with my post...... i am 21, yes i am a young adult but certainly not a teen. my husband an i have been married for almost a year, and have been together for almost 8! we have certainly talked about things and have everything worked out financially. we are 21 and 23 years old and have a 401k and another roth IRA for our retirement, we own a home and have plenty of money in our savings account, including a separate savings account for emergencies only. we have student loans because I would like to pay for my schooling by myself and don't want to burden my husband with my debt, and have yet to finish my education and receive a high paying full time job. i am a very good planner and like to sit through and talk about everything and plan it out before we do something, we even talked and worked out a budget before we even got engaged to make sure we would be ok financially before jumping the gun! we are not the typical 21 and 23 year olds that spend all their weekends out getting drunk and partying. maybe i should have worded it differently saying something more along the lines of asking advice or for experience as to when people were ready, and if people thought they were and once the baby came realized they weren't? how did you know when you were ready?
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