I had to get something off my chest that I havent been able to tell anyone else...so I have a friend, someone that I have grown up with and been close to since we were 5 years old. I am Godmother to her oldest daughter (she has two). She became pregnant with DD#1 at age 20 and the looser baby daddy has been in and out of jail, doesnt pay child support nor has had much do do with DD#1...now on to baby daddy #2...she started dating a guy much younger then her and low and behold became pregnant, she freaked out because he wasn't 18 yet (I know what you guys are thinking) and terminated the pregnancy. I told her to get on BC and stop having babies...
So what happens....she becomes pregnant with DD#2 and had her in June of 2009 with baby daddy #2 (who was thankfully of age by the time this happened). So now they live together and have had major financial problems, arguments, abuse etc....
I text her last week and shared the news that we found out we were having a little girl and she replied with "lucky you, i would have been due the same time-but that isn't happening now." I told her I was sorry to hear that and if she needed anything to let me know. So i talked to her yesterday and I asked her when did she loose the baby and she told me that she TERMINATED IT! I couldn't believe it. I asked her if she is on BC now and she said that she is on the Mirena. Thank the LORD.
I am just really upset that someone who has children, works three jobs- can still be so damn irresponsible. There are so many women out there that can't conceive and I just think to myself that all because she was too lazy to get BC from planned parenthood that this child life ended before it was given a chance.
I am "pro choice" but I am not ok with it being used as a form of BC. I don't know what to do or to say to her. I am so disapointed.
Re: Vent...(Warning...sensitive subject) LONG!
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Part of me just wanted to slap her and tell her to grow up and tell her that selfish behavior most likely will lead to selfish choices!
She doesn't have the support of anyone and has litterally been on her own trying to make a life for herself and her daughters for 8 years now but I am not sure that I can stand by her for much longer. The hard part is that I love my Goddaughter. its a tough situation.
Me neither. I understand it's their right, but stuff like this really upsets me.
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Sorry, I meant to add in the "so easily" above, not quote myself.
This..
Yea the god daughter part is what would break my heart. I think I would tell the mom that you cant continue the friendship with her but want to with her daughter and invite your god daughter to your house for overnight etc...
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Exactly. I respect her choice (in theory) but NOT how she got herself in those situations.
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I am going to be the unpopular one here, and I am actually kind of shocked by my reaction, but I think cutting her out of your life is ruthless. She sounds like she has lots of other issues in her life besides unwanted pregnancies. And if she wasn't choosing to terminate, she would be bringing children into a life of disarray and abuse. And while I think adoption is noble, it's not always attainable and can be very difficult for the birth mother. A lot of my friends make choices I vehemently disagree with but if they are true friends (and it sounds like you have a long history and close relationship with this person) I stick with them through thick and thin.
The thing about being pro-choice - often times people are going to chose to do something you think is wrong. We can't be pro-choice only when we agree with the choice someone is making. From what your friend said when you told her about your pregnancy, she has some remorse and guilt. She sounds like a damaged person -- esp. if she is putting up with an abusive man and not ending things or protecting her other children. I would stick by her and maybe try to help her and your god daughter in other areas. I really feel bad for her.
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Thank you all for the feed back. She is a "trainwreck" so to speak and I have been litterally the only constant in her life-her family had totally abandon her. I just wish she would make better choices-especially when it involves human life. To top it off, she never even told the baby daddy that she terminated, she told him that she lost the baby. Clearly she doesnt have a very healthy relationship with him if she had to lie to him.
I think I am just going to distance myself and continue to keep in contact to only check up on my Goddaughter. I think it will be best that way.
all of this. but most importantly the bolded.
I couldn't ever chose a man over a baby's life! She should have given it up for adoption instead of murdering the poor thing!
You know what?!?! I couldn't agree with you more. In this day and age, abortion as BC is just preposterous!! I'm all about a woman's choice at any stage of the game, but I couldn't live like that, nor could I emotionally support a "friend" like that.
I dont see how its not attainable.....And I am disgusted to think abortion is easier than adoption....
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I see your point and maybe it makes me a bad friend for cutting the communication back but when you have someone who you have known for practically your whole life making poor decisions, you have to draw the line. She could have very easily gotten BC...she drives to WIC to get her checks and anything else they give her, planned parenthood is next door. She takes advantage of the state daycare assistance and free health insurance for her kids but she pulls up in her Lexus with her pimped out wheels and sound system. Priorities are what you make them to be and in my opinion hers are a little screwed up! For Christmas she didn't have a dime to her name and couldn't go to work because she didn't have gas yet two weeks later threw my Goddaughter a b-day party at chucky cheese...I mean com'mon. there are those who are irresponsible, less fortunate and need help and then there are those who are irresponsible but not willing to make the sacrifices for change.
Agreed, I couldn?t stick around someone like that without sharing my opinion
Some women may not be able to find the resources to put her baby up for adoption. Some women might not be able to continue a pregnancy due to drug addiction, medical conditions or and abusive or unsupportive SO.
I can imagine for some carrying a baby for nine months and then having to give it up would be harder than terminating. Not saying I agree with this, but I respect that a woman might not want to do this. Who am I to judge? I have learned that there are endless situations, ones that I cannot even imagine, that women find themselves in every day. Even though I don't agree with some people's choices I cannot act like I know what it''s like to walk in another's shoes.
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I don't think it makes you a bad friend at all to draw the communication back. You know the situation way better than we do. Besides that is your personal choice. I was just shocked by how many people said they just couldn't speak to her ever again based on the abortions. If you want to cut all ties, by all means go for it. That is your choice. But I don't agree that we have the right to judge people to the point that we don't speak to a life long friend based on an abortion that they may or may have not needed. I live in a country where abortions are illegal but I am from the states, and like it or not, our country (USA) allows abortions to happen, so deal with it or start lobbying if you don't like it. You can't just start hating people for their right of choice Now if you want to talk about sleeping with the under 18 year old okay, then you have my attention. I just wish people would be less judgmental and have more understanding. I hope your friend wakes up and realizes the damage she is doing to those around her including her daughter.
if adoption was so easy, our foster care system wouldn't be overflowing with children...and yes, many of them ARE infants.
Since we aren't on P&CE I don't want to draw the attention away from OP and her friend's issues, but I can think of plenty of reasons why a woman would terminate instead of going through nine months of pregnancy only to give a baby up. Would I do it? Can't say. Never been in that position. The world is not black and white. Not every decision fits into a neat little box labeled wrong and right.
But I understand being judgey, I get it, I do. My opinion has grown and changed as I have gotten older and met more people and experienced different things in life (this is NOT a reflection on anybody's age in this post). I myself am pretty judgmental. I see responses like some of the ones above and I judge those people too. I judge people on here all the time. Another great thing about being free to make choices and give opinions.
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Rock and Roll Half Marathon 09/16/12 - Philadelphia, PA
Philadelphia (Half?!?) Marathon 11/18/12 - Philadelphia, PA
I agree. How is killing a baby easier than giving the baby a loving home with a family that so badly wants him/her? FTR, I am pro-life. It disgusts me when people use abortion as BC.
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Not disagreeing with you. FOR ME. But who am I to decide or judge on what is easier or better for someone else?
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Gobble Wobble 5K 11/24/11 - Abington, PA 29:40
Superbowl 10K 02/05/12 - Allentown, PA 54:28 PR!!!!
Broad Street 10 Mile Run 05/06/12 - Philadelphia, PA 1:30:44
Rock and Roll Half Marathon 09/16/12 - Philadelphia, PA
Philadelphia (Half?!?) Marathon 11/18/12 - Philadelphia, PA
there is a LOT of ignorance and/or stupidity about adoption on these boards.
I'll just go ahead and be unpopular as well. This girl sounds like a perfect candidate for an abortion. She needs another baby like she needs a hole in the head.
As others have pointed out, pro-choice isn't about whether you like the decision or not.
Adoption is not for everyone. I've known since I was a teenager that I could NEVER carry a baby for 9 months and then give it up. It would have been abortion or raising the child for me. I chose abstinence. Not everyone is selfless...
Um, are you calling me ignorant or stupid? I really hope not as you know nothing about me. Now THAT would be ignorant....
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not necessarily. But if you HONESTLY believe any pregnant woman can just go "hey, I want to give this baby up for adoption!" and there will be people lined up to adopt said baby...well, then in that case, yes, it would most definitely apply to you.
Well, now I am, simply because of your reading comprehension skills.
What Mrs.Go4Hockey meant was that adoption is not some magical deus ex machina that allows a woman to get rid of a baby in a way that is better for the baby.
I am adopted, and my birth mother made the decision to give me up for adoption very early on in her pregnancy. The agency she worked with paid for all of her top of the line medical and prenatal expenses, including a private room in one of the best hospitals in the city. My parents paid that bill once I was adopted. Why me? Because my birth mother had never done drugs, smoked, had a clean bill of health, and had no family history of cancer or heart disease. I was also perfectly healthy, which was insured by my birth mother's doctors before my parents were alerted to my existence.
Perfect babies with smart birth mothers get into loving, supportive homes (usually). Many infants who have medical issues, had birth mothers who suffer from addictions, or even whose birth mothers decided late in their pregnancies/after the birth end up in foster care, and once in the system are less likely to be adopted into the sort of family that my parents created.
Don't get me wrong, I am all for adoption. My siggie explains my loss history, but what is missing is the 5 IVFs and 1 FET we endured as well. Before this pregnancy, we were exploring and set to begin the adoption process, so of course, I wish every pregnant mom put her baby up for deserving families. But the truth is, it's not as easy or as rosy as it appears. For birth mom or adoptive parents. To say, "Just put the baby up for adoption" to a conflicted pregnant woman is as ignorant as saying, "Why don't you just adopt?" to a couple that is struggling to conceive. There is A LOT more to it. And I think the world of birth moms and adoptive parents that choose that route, because it is not easy at all.
DD #1 born 9/07 ** DD #2 born 7/11 ** Operation Take Back My Body has begun 10/11
Upcoming Races
Gobble Wobble 5K 11/24/11 - Abington, PA 29:40
Superbowl 10K 02/05/12 - Allentown, PA 54:28 PR!!!!
Broad Street 10 Mile Run 05/06/12 - Philadelphia, PA 1:30:44
Rock and Roll Half Marathon 09/16/12 - Philadelphia, PA
Philadelphia (Half?!?) Marathon 11/18/12 - Philadelphia, PA
AGREE
Maybe I notice odd things, but you mentioned abuse and the fact that she said "Lucky you" when you told her you were having a girl. If her boyfriend is abusing her, is it possible he kinda forced her into it? I don't know from the post whether it's emotional, mental, physical, sexual, etc, but either way, her mind is NOT in the right place. Makes me wonder if she wanted to get the abortion or he made her. Abuse often starts with emotional and mental abuse, so even if it hasn't escalated to physical, it can. The abusers tend to tear apart their victim's self-esteem and sense of worth. It's a LOT of control he'd have over her. Just saying.
Either way, I'm not sure I'd be comfortable with my god-daughter living in a situation like that. Or a friend of mine.
This exactly!! I was adopted too. My birthmom was like 15 when she got preg and she made her own decision to carry me to full term and give me up for adoption, her parents had no say in her decision...at 15 she made that decision and my current parents couldn't have any children so look at the opportunity she provided to them!!!!
I agree with pp's do not associate with her anymore! and if she asks tell her why!