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  • I don't believe in God. My family is a bunch of lapsed Catholics. Religion/God was never part of my life and I never felt a need to seek it/Him out.
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  • I don't really have a better answer than to say that I believe in G-d because G-d exists and G-d exists because I believe He does.

    However, I guess I can kind of understand people who don't believe in G-d because so many people believe Jesus is G-d or G-d's son or however they believe it, but, as a jew, I 100% do not believe that, so, if I can not believe in that, I guess I have to be able to understand that some people may not believe in the G-d that I believe in.

    That was kind of rambling - did it make any sense?

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    imageschmoodle:

    I didn't mean to imply that someone can't believe in science and god, obviously many brilliant scientists also have religion - I guess for me it's more a functional (and personal) incapacity for just sheer belief. 

    Just to clarify, I dont think most people who have true faith find it is easy, or just believe. (I dont think you implied that, I am just clarifying) for me, it takes work to believe in something that can't be proven. I have to suspend that innate expectation of proof... but I have to oversimplify and use the concept of an atom. I can't see it, but i believe in it. I can't see DNA, but I believe it. I know that isn't incontrovertible proof, but it is enough to make me WANT to believe and that WANT (and need) really leads me to belief. Does that make sense? 

    Definitely makes sense! For me, I have tried to believe, but just couldn't get there, but I don't think people that do believe necessarily believe on blind faith, but they have that ability (even if it takes work and effort) that I don't have. For me, the contrast for atoms/DNA is that I can't see them, but I can read lengthy explanations of how we know they exist that are based on other scientific theories/evidence which, eventually, boil down to things I can see or understand. For religion, I haven't yet seen that, but doesn't mean it isn't out there. I'm not AT ALL saying that one way is better than the other or that my belief is right because I reference science, merely that my personal makeup doesn't allow for the belief others have. I wish it did, I would love to believe.

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  • I guess I should chime in since I posed the question:)

    I think there is more to life than just the cells coming together and multiplying.  I think there is an energy that is our personalities.  I think there is more to life than just physics.  However, I don't believe this was granted to us by God.  I don't know what happens to our spirits after we die, but I think both of my parents are with me.

    In my childhood, I believed in God because that is what I was taught in church and Sunday School.  As a teenager, I still believed in God a little.  In my 20's, I pretended to have some faith, although I never prayed or went to church or anything.  Once I became a parent and decided not to baptize our children, I think I fully took ownership of the fact that I don't believe in organized religion.

    I don't believe in God now.

    I have always believed in science, and ghosts, and miracles...

     

  • imageAlissaCell701:

    Well, I am Jewish...DH is Catholic but non practicing..we are raising J Jewish.. But I began to really pay attention to my religion and God when my mother died when I was a young adult (20)..

    I acutally believe more in her spirit then anything. I know this might sound silly, but I  pray to her and hope that she has some kind of "connection" to God and gives him my message.  I truly do believe that she, wouldn't give me more then I can handle.  From greaving her death, dealing with my little brothers drug and alcohol addiction, to me meeting my husband, to moving from MA to Florida, and to my IF struggles, and then giving birth to a small baby.   I know she played a roll in all of these things and I know that she is my gardian and she will help me through anything that life hands me.

    I could have written this same thing!! (probably not as well though :) ) The only difference is DH and I aren't really choosing one of our religions.... we are exposing DD to both (neither of us are very religious, practicing people). I "talk" to my mom on a daily basis!

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    It would be so lonely without God. It MUST be so lonely without God... 

    Please don't.  I am not lonely surrounded by friends and family.  I didn't ask you to feel sorry for me.  

    I don't submit to God.  I have reason and intellect to answer my questions. I take control of my life and choices and don't leave it up to God to decide.  

    I don't have a void. I have reason.

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    imageskoorbnibor:
    imageschmoodle:

    I didn't mean to imply that someone can't believe in science and god, obviously many brilliant scientists also have religion - I guess for me it's more a functional (and personal) incapacity for just sheer belief. 

    Just to clarify, I dont think most people who have true faith find it is easy, or just believe. (I dont think you implied that, I am just clarifying) for me, it takes work to believe in something that can't be proven. I have to suspend that innate expectation of proof... but I have to oversimplify and use the concept of an atom. I can't see it, but i believe in it. I can't see DNA, but I believe it. I know that isn't incontrovertible proof, but it is enough to make me WANT to believe and that WANT (and need) really leads me to belief. Does that make sense? 

    Definitely makes sense! For me, I have tried to believe, but just couldn't get there, but I don't think people that do believe necessarily believe on blind faith, but they have that ability (even if it takes work and effort) that I don't have. For me, the contrast for atoms/DNA is that I can't see them, but I can read lengthy explanations of how we know they exist that are based on other scientific theories/evidence which, eventually, boil down to things I can see or understand. For religion, I haven't yet seen that, but doesn't mean it isn't out there. I'm not AT ALL saying that one way is better than the other or that my belief is right because I reference science, merely that my personal makeup doesn't allow for the belief others have. I wish it did, I would love to believe.

    I say I believe in science but science is constantly evolving and changing.  I believe in learning and exploring and discovering.  There are lots of things in science that are facts today but will be disproven tomorrow.

    Skoorb, when I was being confirmed I kept asking our minister to answer my questions...often his answer was faith is believing without proof...and not needing to have the answers to all the questions. 

  • imageschmoodle:
    imageskoorbnibor:
    imageschmoodle:

    I didn't mean to imply that someone can't believe in science and god, obviously many brilliant scientists also have religion - I guess for me it's more a functional (and personal) incapacity for just sheer belief. 

    Just to clarify, I dont think most people who have true faith find it is easy, or just believe. (I dont think you implied that, I am just clarifying) for me, it takes work to believe in something that can't be proven. I have to suspend that innate expectation of proof... but I have to oversimplify and use the concept of an atom. I can't see it, but i believe in it. I can't see DNA, but I believe it. I know that isn't incontrovertible proof, but it is enough to make me WANT to believe and that WANT (and need) really leads me to belief. Does that make sense? 

    Definitely makes sense! For me, I have tried to believe, but just couldn't get there, but I don't think people that do believe necessarily believe on blind faith, but they have that ability (even if it takes work and effort) that I don't have. For me, the contrast for atoms/DNA is that I can't see them, but I can read lengthy explanations of how we know they exist that are based on other scientific theories/evidence which, eventually, boil down to things I can see or understand. For religion, I haven't yet seen that, but doesn't mean it isn't out there. I'm not AT ALL saying that one way is better than the other or that my belief is right because I reference science, merely that my personal makeup doesn't allow for the belief others have. I wish it did, I would love to believe.

    Skoorb, when I was being confirmed I kept asking our minister to answer my questions...often his answer was faith is believing without proof...and not needing to have the answers to all the questions.  I guess I am not that kind of person.

  • imageLBR_NJ:

    I don't really have a better answer than to say that I believe in G-d because G-d exists and G-d exists because I believe He does.

    However, I guess I can kind of understand people who don't believe in G-d because so many people believe Jesus is G-d or G-d's son or however they believe it, but, as a jew, I 100% do not believe that, so, if I can not believe in that, I guess I have to be able to understand that some people may not believe in the G-d that I believe in.

    That was kind of rambling - did it make any sense?

    I understand your logic.

  • imagedundasgirl:

    I guess I should chime in since I posed the question:)

    I think there is more to life than just the cells coming together and multiplying.  I think there is an energy that is our personalities.  I think there is more to life than just physics.  However, I don't believe this was granted to us by God.  I don't know what happens to our spirits after we die, but I think both of my parents are with me.

    In my childhood, I believed in God because that is what I was taught in church and Sunday School.  As a teenager, I still believed in God a little.  In my 20's, I pretended to have some faith, although I never prayed or went to church or anything.  Once I became a parent and decided not to baptize our children, I think I fully took ownership of the fact that I don't believe in organized religion.

    I don't believe in God now.

    I have always believed in science, and ghosts, and miracles...

     

      I think you are my spiritual soul mate :) 
  • imageschmoodle:
    I can explain why I don't. Mostly because I'm very literal/science minded and it's difficult for me to accept something without proof/explanation/evidence. I'd like to, and I tried to when I was younger, but I was being dishonest by pretending I believed anything. Experiences as an adult and seeing how many ways the world can be terrible have solidified that for me, but didn't cause it. I wasn't really raised with religion, which I'm sure contributed, but we did go to Sunday school when I was very young and I remember even at age 7 viewing the lessons there as allegory/fantasy and not as literal.

    Ditto.  Especially the bolded portions.  


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    imageJune24Bride:

    It would be so lonely without God. It MUST be so lonely without God... 

    Please don't.  I am not lonely surrounded by friends and family.  I didn't ask you to feel sorry for me.  

    I don't submit to God.  I have reason and intellect to answer my questions. I take control of my life and choices and don't leave it up to God to decide.  

    I don't have a void. I have reason.

    agreed.

    my last attempt at trying to understand the whole "religious/god thing" was at church one sunday with my stepdad. I went in with an open mind. heLL, I even sang a hymn.

    it was an anniversary of 911. the pastor, reverend, minister (I don't know) told us it was "our duty, in the name of god, to forgive those responsible for the attacks." WTF! I was there when the planes struck. I saw the second tower fall in front of my eyes. I lived in the devastation for months and months and I will forever be haunted by that day.

    so now I'm supposed to be a good christian and forgive?

    I walk out.

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    imagedundasgirl:

    I guess I should chime in since I posed the question:)

    I think there is more to life than just the cells coming together and multiplying.  I think there is an energy that is our personalities.  I think there is more to life than just physics.  However, I don't believe this was granted to us by God.  I don't know what happens to our spirits after we die, but I think both of my parents are with me.

    In my childhood, I believed in God because that is what I was taught in church and Sunday School.  As a teenager, I still believed in God a little.  In my 20's, I pretended to have some faith, although I never prayed or went to church or anything.  Once I became a parent and decided not to baptize our children, I think I fully took ownership of the fact that I don't believe in organized religion.

    I don't believe in God now.

    I have always believed in science, and ghosts, and miracles...

     

      I think you are my spiritual soul mate :) 

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  • Gosh- I dont know what is going on with me. I cant even respond to the posts because I literally can not verablize why I believe in God or why I have faith in him, but as I read all that you guys have written I have tears just streaming down my face... so I am going to try!

    I know there has been a ton of hurt and heartache for many... much of which I could never even imagine, but knowing what we have gone through and what our 6 year struggle was like (and yes god and I didnt talk for a long time)... the strength that I came out of the whole situation with and the clarity in understanding why we had to go through that to get to where we are today...it holds my heart in a way that I cant verbalize. Even that... that I just typed... make no sense.

    Ultimately, I think we each go through experiences in life that mold us to be who we are. Every single day of my life has molded me to be who I am today and today will be included in who I am tomorrow. The times with and without God's guidance are included in that. I have opened up and listened and learned. For me- my life's path has been more fulfilling when I have been open to God's guidance- so I chose to continue to be open to him.

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    God created me, he gave me life.  Faith is very very important to me, and I fail at it sometimes, but He has always been there for me. I praise Him for my life and blessings. He's held my hand through it all and He is my peace.

    I'm not good with words...lol 

    Pretty much sums it up for.  BTW I am a Born Again Christian who was raised Catholic. 

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    imageBelleBaby:

    I'm very science-minded as well (I have a B.S. in chemistry and a Ph.D.), and I don't think I could study all of that science without believing in God.  I just cannot believe that all of the intricacies involved in how the human body is created from 2 single cells can be just a lucky accident.  Think of how complex our bodies are.  That wasn't an accident.  We were created to work the way we do.

    I didn't mean to imply that someone can't believe in science and god, obviously many brilliant scientists also have religion - I guess for me it's more a functional (and personal) incapacity for just sheer belief. It's not that I believe in science and therefore don't believe in religion, it's that the way my mind works, I view something as true when I see specific evidence and explanation for it, as in many areas of science, but I have yet to see specific explanation of god or religion that makes sense to me. I do understand your perspective as well though and don't think you were rambling.

    I hope you didn't read any snarkiness or anything into my wording.  I just think it's funny that people that come from the same type of thought process can end up at two totally different end points.  It's very interesting to me. 

  • I do not subscribe to "religion".I have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. He is my Lord and Savior. I have faith - I believe what cannot be seen. Yes my parents taught me about Jesus but we were free to decide what we want to believe. When I asked the Lord to forgive my sins and come into my life and my heart, my old life "died" and I am "born again" into a life where I follow after Christ. I try to live like He would want me to live.

     Christianity gets a bad rap in the US because of all the crazy people who use God to promote hate. Its really sad because it turns so many people off.


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    God created me, he gave me life.  Faith is very very important to me, and I fail at it sometimes, but He has always been there for me. I praise Him for my life and blessings. He's held my hand through it all and He is my peace.

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    Because in my heart I know that He is real, and believe He's the way to eternal life in heaven, which is where I want to go!

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    imageduke'sgirl:

    The "easy" answer: because I was raised this way.

    But that's not why I do now. I'm old enough to make my own decisions, and I choose to believe and have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. He has been in my life since I was a young child (I accepted him as my Lord and Savior at 6 years old!), but I have had times that I've pulled away, gotten closer, run screaming, but I always found my way back. And QUICKLY! He is my comfort and peace, and I rely on that faith relationship. Big Smile

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    I do not subscribe to "religion".I have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. He is my Lord and Savior. I have faith - I believe what cannot be seen. Yes my parents taught me about Jesus but we were free to decide what we want to believe. When I asked the Lord to forgive my sins and come into my life and my heart, my old life "died" and I am "born again" into a life where I follow after Christ. I try to live like He would want me to live.

     Christianity gets a bad rap in the US because of all the crazy people who use God to promote hate. Its really sad because it turns so many people off.

    And this too.

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  • I believed in God because I was raised that way.  Then I tried life without God and I was miserable. I thought only of myself, I cared only about myself and I saw my life falling apart all around me.

    Then I found God for the first time in a real and personal way to ME.  And I will NEVER look back. 

    I am by nature a VERY selfish and ungiving, unloving, critical and judgmental person. It's true, even my family will admit it.  Though through my relationship with Christ I am constantly challenged, by his word and other believers, to do away with those things.  But I can't do them on my own. You can be as giving and loving and selfless as you want, but I beleive at the root, I am still selffish and unloving etc. When push comes to shove, no matter how much I change myself, I am still capable of reverting back to those ways.

    But when GOD changes, he CHANGES.  Big time. I can honestly say I am completely a different person than I was 5 years ago.  Because HE has changed me.  And by the grace of God I will be a different person 5 years from now. He is ALWAYS challenging me and stretching me, teaching me and changing me. I'm a better version of myself, through Him.

    And in turn I worship Him and love him and Praise Him. I choose to SEE Him in my life and not just assume things are coincidence or that they are just luck or random. 

    I DO believe that He uses all things for good.  Not that He wants us to suffer through the crud in life, but He can and will use those things for good in our lives and the lives of others.

     

    I think God has used my infertility to change me and in turn He has inspired and  challenged and taken care of other people through my journey.  It wasn't just for me, I would be short sighted and naive to believe the whole thing is and was just for me.  He uses it in other people's lives too.

    I believe in God bc I don't know how NOT to. And I never want to try.

    Also, I do "hear" God speak to me. Not audibly, but when I am frustrated or questioning, or sad and need guidance, He will give me a scripture that will be perfect for the hope I needed. Or I might hear a small voice inside me reassuring me.  Or I physically feel a change when I cry out to him, as if He is literally holding me and taking care of me.

    NOTHING in my life is more important than my faith.

     

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  • I don't.

    I was raised Roman Cathollic...it took me a long time to able to say out loud that I don't believe. I still have never outright said it to my mother. I think she kind of knows but wrongly thinks that it's because of DH's influence or influence from friends, which couldn't be farther from the truth. I actually don't know anyone else IRL who is atheist.

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    imageduke'sgirl:
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    imageJune24Bride:
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    imageskoorbnibor:

    because when I look into my child's eyes, I see His grace. Because I feel a sense of peace and hope when I pray. Because He gives me strength when I am not feeling it anywhere else. Because when I take communion, I feel grounded. Because my life is richer with the belief. Because I believe there are truly miracles. Because there are so many ways to support biblical fables (such as Noah's Ark. 

    faith and religion are far from infallible and there are some horrible inaccuracies (such as Noah's ark!) but I believe in a higher power, and I believe that He is always with me. I believe that Jesus is seated at His right hand. I believe in an afterlife and I believe that saints have interceded for me. 

    This made me tear up.

    I believe in God because that's how I was raised. I respect other peoples views but I can't imagine in not believing in any God. I would go crazy if I didn't have God to cry to, to pray to or to thank endlessly. Enlighten me, when you worry about someone/something, what to do you?

    It would be so lonely without God. It MUST be so lonely without God... 

    Quite the opposite actually.  I'm not lonely at all!  I'm surrounded by loving family and friends.  I can absolutely see how a person can find peace and comfort from God, I just don't.  But I'm certainly not lonely without him!

    I don't think she means, "If you don't believe, you live such a lonely life." It's not about being surrounded by people. You can be lonely with many around you. Did you ever feel that way during your IF treatments? Many times, I did. 

    I think it's more that if you've never had a personal relationship with Jesus, you don't know what is missing. If I were to decide today that I didn't want to believe in God anymore, there would be a void, most definitely. Even when I go days without getting in the word or haven't had my time with just Him, I feel lonely, and I need to get back in the routine. Make sense?

    I see what you're saying, but I guess I should give more background.  I use to go to church.  I was baptized Catholic but never attended the Catholic church.  I suppose my mom did it out of Catholic guilt because she didn't raise me in religion nor does she practice any longer.  I was curious about God and religion as a child.  I joined the Lutheran church by myself when I was in grade school and continued until I graduated high school.  I went through Confirmation and the whole 9 yards.  Sadly, it never felt right to me.  I wanted so badly to believe and trust me, I tried VERY hard.  However, as I got older and more comfortable and confident in myself and my feelings, I realize it was OK that I questioned it all.  I'm very interested in learning about all religions, I just don't freely believe.  

    I honestly don't feel like I'm missing out on anything! 

    This, this is exactly how I feel.

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  • imageTab2710:
    imageduke'sgirl:

    The "easy" answer: because I was raised this way.

    But that's not why I do now. I'm old enough to make my own decisions, and I choose to believe and have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. He has been in my life since I was a young child (I accepted him as my Lord and Savior at 7 years old!), but I have had times that I've pulled away, gotten closer, run screaming, but I always found my way back. And QUICKLY! He is my comfort and peace, and I rely on that faith relationship. Big Smile

    Ooohhhh, this too.  This is a good one :)

    this. almost word for word..except i was 9 :)

    God is good- and just thinking about His love & faithfulness makes me tear up with joy. 

  • I have no idea what I believe any more...I was raised Catholic and went to Catholic schools k-12 and Dh and I were married in the church. In my adulthood I began struggling with the teachings of the Catholic church on social issues and that kind of led me to a crisis of faith. I enjoy going to Mass and get emotional and peaceful when I go (which is next to never), but I just don't know where my heart and head fall on the issue of a higher power...

    I *want* to believe, I'm just not sure I can. I am in awe of people who have sound faith. It is something I struggle with. 

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  • Ditto all of schmoodle's comments.  This video by Lewis Black is pretty much my thinking too (in a comedic way).  That's not meant to offend anyone, it's just the best example I can think of.

    I am a person of science and fact.  I can not give up all of the scientific evidence of evolution.  I just can't.   Oh, and I'm not lonely either.  And I don't feel like I'm missing anything.

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    Ditto all of schmoodle's comments.  This video by Lewis Black is pretty much my thinking too (in a comedic way).  That's not meant to offend anyone, it's just the best example I can think of.

    I am a person of science and fact.  I can not give up all of the scientific evidence of evolution.  I just can't.   Oh, and I'm not lonely either.  And I don't feel like I'm missing anything.

    I think it's possible to believe in G-d and also believe in evolution.  I believe that G-d created man and woman, however, I also believe that we have no idea what man and woman looked like.  The concept of man, woman, G-d's image, and the rib are interpreted, as is all of the bible, and we, again, have no reason to believe they looked like our modern day version of man, woman, etc...  I believe that G-d created "something" that evolved into what we are today.

  • I think God and religion is a choice.  And I choose to believe.  I was raised Catholic, but dont feel a super strong connection to Religion, but I do feel a very strong connection to my fath, spirituality and certainly God.  I have gotten too many signs that He exisits.  Some might call is coincidences, but I CHOOSE to believe its Gods presence in my life. Afterall, even if God, heaven etc does not exist, Its so much nicer to believe that your going somehwre after you die than to believe in nothing at all.
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  • imageskoorbnibor:

    because when I look into my child's eyes, I see His grace. Because I feel a sense of peace and hope when I pray. Because He gives me strength when I am not feeling it anywhere else. Because when I take communion, I feel grounded. Because my life is richer with the belief. Because I believe there are truly miracles. Because there are so many ways to support biblical fables (such as Noah's Ark. 

    faith and religion are far from infallible and there are some horrible inaccuracies (such as Noah's ark!) but I believe in a higher power, and I believe that He is always with me. I believe that Jesus is seated at His right hand. I believe in an afterlife and I believe that saints have interceded for me. 

    This exactly, though I could never have worded it in such an eloquent way. 

  • MayDayGirl, Beautifully said.  Can I just say "ditto"?
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  • imageschoolsoutbride:
    imageJune24Bride:

    It would be so lonely without God. It MUST be so lonely without God... 

    Please don't.  I am not lonely surrounded by friends and family.  I didn't ask you to feel sorry for me.  

    I don't submit to God.  I have reason and intellect to answer my questions. I take control of my life and choices and don't leave it up to God to decide.  

    I don't have a void. I have reason.

    I dont want to speak for June, but this bothers me. I think we are having a really respectful exchange of ideas, but this is bordering on insult. I dont think June24 meant to imply that she was somehow superior or feeling sorry for anyone who didnt believe, but that faith and God are so important to her, that from her perspective, she imagines her life would be very lonely. I dont think anyone is feeling sorry for anyone else here.

    I dont ask anyone else to believe what I believe, but I also dont assume that because they dont, there is something wrong with them. That most certainly does not mean I lack intellect, nor does it mean I lack reason. I think many of us who believe in God also commented about faith being difficult, or complicated, and I know some of us said we believe despite the lack of evidence. But that is what faith is, it is believe in the absence of proof, quite simply. 

    Please respect my choice to believe, as I respect yours. Having faith does not make one stupid, nor do I submit to God. I think he expects me to step up and do for myself. He is beside me, but I do it myself. I like knowing he is there, but I need to make choices and decisions and that isn't what He does. 

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    It would be so lonely without God. It MUST be so lonely without God... 

    Please don't.  I am not lonely surrounded by friends and family.  I didn't ask you to feel sorry for me.  

    I don't submit to God.  I have reason and intellect to answer my questions. I take control of my life and choices and don't leave it up to God to decide.  

    I don't have a void. I have reason.

    I dont want to speak for June, but this bothers me. I think we are having a really respectful exchange of ideas, but this is bordering on insult. I dont think June24 meant to imply that she was somehow superior or feeling sorry for anyone who didnt believe, but that faith and God are so important to her, that from her perspective, she imagines her life would be very lonely. I dont think anyone is feeling sorry for anyone else here.

    I dont ask anyone else to believe what I believe, but I also dont assume that because they dont, there is something wrong with them. That most certainly does not mean I lack intellect, nor does it mean I lack reason. I think many of us who believe in God also commented about faith being difficult, or complicated, and I know some of us said we believe despite the lack of evidence. But that is what faith is, it is believe in the absence of proof, quite simply. 

    Please respect my choice to believe, as I respect yours. Having faith does not make one stupid, nor do I submit to God. I think he expects me to step up and do for myself. He is beside me, but I do it myself. I like knowing he is there, but I need to make choices and decisions and that isn't what He does. 

    I suppose it was a bit snarky, but I saw her response as very condescending.  Like I must be so sad and depressed because I don't live my life the way she does.  That I'm inferior and lonely because I don't believe what she believes.   I MUST be lonely.  I think we're interpreting what she said differently because we're coming from opposite directions.   

    She used the word submit, not me, and I take that word to mean a shirking of responsibility to someone else's authority.  I saw that a lot in the very religious students I taught (well, I didn't study, but I prayed on it.  Seriously.) I don't think that makes YOU stupid.  I never used that word.  I just pointed out that where she has submission, I am responsible only to myself and do not expect to be rescued by anybody but myself. 

    I do not believe in the absence of proof, which is why I have no faith (or at best am an agnostic.)

    I'm fine with you believing whatever you want, but I don't think it was uncalled for to have a knee jerk reaction to her judging ME.  The line I bolded above from what you said is very different from what she said, IMO.  I agree with what you said.

  • I believe in God. I am not religious. I am very scientific minded and fact based in my life. Taking my anatomy classes actually reinforced my faith. I believe in miracles and ghosts and aliens and such. I believe in Evolution, and that God intended it and got the ball rolling. We don't go to church (too many hypocrites) and we did not baptize DD, but we plan to tell her about God, and let her decide what to believe. When I pray, I pray to God and I feel peace and strength an comfort. I do not submit, but take responsibilty for my life and choices, and exercise my free will daily. For those in a crisis of faith, or turned away from a god that allows horrible things to happen, I suggest you read "The Shack". Dh and I both read it after we lost our twins, a time when we were ready to denounce our faith in a god who would curse us with IF, bless us with a pg, then rip it away. The book made us realize we had it all wrong.
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