Oh, these posts are always the most fun! It should be a personal decision between you and DH. It's not something you should get done just because the majority of other Bumpies are/aren't. And supposedly, it's pretty much a 50/50 thing either way now. DH and I made a decision about whether or not we were going to if LO was a boy, but she's a girl, so at least this is one decision DH and I don't have to worry about!
babubhatt:
heylee:
No, she did not put anyone down, babubhatt did with her comment of "you know what i think is idiotic? when people choose to circ b/c 'it looks the same' or 'it's cleaner'. or other stupid reasoning."
well, it *is* stupid reasoning. i will accept medical reasons and even religious reasons....but superficial ones don't float my boat.
sowwy!
Other people's life choices aren't yours to accept or not accept. It's no skin off your nose either way. I doubt when you give birth a nurse is going to say "Sorry, your decision to not to circ isn't something I accept. Your reasons don't float my boat!" and haul your kid off to circumsize. Calling someone idiotic because they don't share your views is closed-minded and rude.
We are having a girl, but if we have a boy we will not do it. DH feels strongly about this. He generally doesn't care about most things, but he is passionate against doing this.
DH doesn't want to have it done, but I think the benefits far outweigh the risks. For one, DH says he's not sure what he's missing because he read that there are nerve endings in the skin they cut that makes sex more pleasurable or something. I mean, I'm not going to wait around for my kid to have sex, and then decide "Well, maybe I'd rather a circ. because it's not really any different." I mean, how do we really know if it's any different. Was someone stupid enough to do an experimental circ. and write down his experiences? Also, DH even admitted that boys that aren't circ'd are more likely to get yeast infections or UTIs....I'd rather not have to deal with that, personally. So it's an ongoing battle over here....
yes...left it up to my husband with ds and he said definitely. plus, my dad wasn't when he was born (mind you it was 60 years ago), but around the age of 4, he had some serious problems and ended up having to be circumcised at the age of 4 and he still remembers the pain...even at the age of 4.
No, she did not put anyone down, babubhatt did with her comment of "you know what i think is idiotic? when people choose to circ b/c 'it looks the same' or 'it's cleaner'. or other stupid reasoning."
well, it *is* stupid reasoning. i will accept medical reasons and even religious reasons....but superficial ones don't float my boat.
sowwy!
Well, gee, thanks for sharing what you think is stupid. Since we're sharing our personal opinions, you know what doesn't float my boat? Smoking while going through IVF and continuing to do so even after your BFP.
Ooh I hope we are going to get more stories of amputated penises!
Routine infant circ is not necessary. You could argue that studies have found certain benefits to it, but it's still an unnecessary procedure when done routinely. That is not an idiotic statement.
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Oh, these posts are always the most fun! It should be a personal decision between you and DH. It's not something you should get done just because the majority of other Bumpies are/aren't. And supposedly, it's pretty much a 50/50 thing either way now. DH and I made a decision about whether or not we were going to if LO was a boy, but she's a girl, so at least this is one decision DH and I don't have to worry about!
babubhatt:
heylee:
No, she did not put anyone down, babubhatt did with her comment of "you know what i think is idiotic? when people choose to circ b/c 'it looks the same' or 'it's cleaner'. or other stupid reasoning."
well, it *is* stupid reasoning. i will accept medical reasons and even religious reasons....but superficial ones don't float my boat.
sowwy!
Other people's life choices aren't yours to accept or not accept. It's no skin off your nose either way. I doubt when you give birth a nurse is going to say "Sorry, your decision to not to circ isn't something I accept. Your reasons don't float my boat!" and haul your kid off to circumsize. Calling someone idiotic because they don't share your views is closed-minded and rude.
Agreed. The OP asked if people are having it done not for their opinions on it. To each's own with their decisions.
I have 2 sons that are not and in our family and gourp of friends my sons are the only ones who are not. And I have a whole boat load of reasons and if you really asked my opinion I would sure give you and ear full. BUT that is not fair. Everyone is allowed to have thier own opinion and as long as all the pro-circ women keep their opinions to there selfs I will keep my anti-cir opinions to myself.
For the mom who was wonderign the botched rates in other countries... they really arent any since the U.S is the only county still continuing to practice circ's.
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I have 2 sons that are not and in our family and gourp of friends my sons are the only ones who are not. And I have a whole boat load of reasons and if you really asked my opinion I would sure give you and ear full. BUT that is not fair. Everyone is allowed to have thier own opinion and as long as all the pro-circ women keep their opinions to there selfs I will keep my anti-cir opinions to myself.
For the mom who was wonderign the botched rates in other countries... they really arent any since the U.S is the only county still continuing to practice circ's.
I meant the rates of penile amputation in the elderly. I know that we are one of the only countries that still does routine infant circ. so there probably aren't many stats from elsewhere on that part.
If this babe is a boy than, yes, he will be circumcised simply because his father is and I like the idea of not having extra skin to worry about being clean.
I have 2 sons that are not and in our family and gourp of friends my sons are the only ones who are not. And I have a whole boat load of reasons and if you really asked my opinion I would sure give you and ear full. BUT that is not fair. Everyone is allowed to have thier own opinion and as long as all the pro-circ women keep their opinions to there selfs I will keep my anti-cir opinions to myself.
For the mom who was wonderign the botched rates in other countries... they really arent any since the U.S is the only county still continuing to practice circ's.
I meant the rates of penile amputation in the elderly. I know that we are one of the only countries that still does routine infant circ. so there probably aren't many stats from elsewhere on that part.
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I have 2 sons that are not and in our family and gourp of friends my sons are the only ones who are not. And I have a whole boat load of reasons and if you really asked my opinion I would sure give you and ear full. BUT that is not fair. Everyone is allowed to have thier own opinion and as long as all the pro-circ women keep their opinions to there selfs I will keep my anti-cir opinions to myself.
For the mom who was wonderign the botched rates in other countries... they really arent any since the U.S is the only county still continuing to practice circ's.
I meant the rates of penile amputation in the elderly. I know that we are one of the only countries that still does routine infant circ. so there probably aren't many stats from elsewhere on that part.
Oh that makes sense.
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I have 2 sons that are not and in our family and gourp of friends my sons are the only ones who are not. And I have a whole boat load of reasons and if you really asked my opinion I would sure give you and ear full. BUT that is not fair. Everyone is allowed to have thier own opinion and as long as all the pro-circ women keep their opinions to there selfs I will keep my anti-cir opinions to myself.
For the mom who was wonderign the botched rates in other countries... they really arent any since the U.S is the only county still continuing to practice circ's.
I meant the rates of penile amputation in the elderly. I know that we are one of the only countries that still does routine infant circ. so there probably aren't many stats from elsewhere on that part.
We will be circumcising our son.We're both Jewish and have witnessed it done so that no pain was caused to the infant. My nephew did not cry or even flinch. We will probably have a Bris as well. I find it completely insulting to hear that it is barbaric or tortuous. This country surely IS NOT the only one that routinely circumcises. Here is some data:
The overall prevalence of circumcision in Thailand is reportedly 13.3%.[9] The Irish government estimates that fewer than one percent of males are circumcised in China and Japan.[30]
Thirdly, have any of you that are going to circumcise your boys _seen_ a circumcision? It's barbaric. Although _most_ pediatricians use lidocaine (a numbing medicine) and inject it into where they _think_ the nerve is (which is a guess, mind you), baby boys feel it. They scream, and they struggle agains the circumstraint (a plastic board with velcro restraints) until the end of the procedure, when _hopefully_ a parent or compassionate nurse (which is in most cases) holds and talks to him. On that note--if you are having your son circumcised--please be there for him. Please witness what you are subjecting your son to. And please be there to comfort him.
On the May 2011 board when this issue was brought up, one mother mentioned that her DS slept through his. Apparently the doctors of the babies who scream/struggle/what-not need a better education.
If we have a boy, we will not. DH isn't and it is an unnecessary medical procedure that carries risks.
^Idiotic. Really, really, idiotic.
That's all I'm going to say this time around.
i agree with katie - we won't be cir'c. why bother with an unnecesary medical procedure? you wouldn't give your baby a nose job would you?
feel free to expand on why this reasoning is idiotic?
you know what i think is idiotic? when people choose to circ b/c 'it looks the same' or 'it's cleaner'. or other stupid reasoning.
She is a nurse has mentioned in the past that she believes it to be medically necessary because she has seen penile amputations due to people not taking care of them in the elderly. Obviously her opinion. My mother has been a nurse since God was a boy and has seen several butchered infant penises and is way anti circ.
My question has always been what is the rate of this vs. the rate of botched infant circumcision, which would interest me greatly. And what about the rates in countries where almost nobody is circumcised? I have yet to see any news stories about this happening regularly and in large numbers in those countries.
My son had a botched circumcision. At the age of 9 months he had to have surgery to have it corrected. He not only had to have extra skin removed they cut his penis from one end to the other so they move the urinary opening. He had a cathiter for a week after that which we had to go to the ER twice because he would move wrong and he would end up with blood in his urine.
Please do your research before deciding this very important decision. Don't just do it or not do it because your husband has one so he should know his way around penis. It is your and your SO's decision only, who cares what other people think about your son's penis? Do what you want pleae just make sure you are informed either way.
It's in the luck of the draw. I have witnessed it. But- I also must add that it was a (vast) minority. If they are lucky enough to place the lidocaine at the base of the nerve, then sure, baby may sleep through it. Chances are your little boy won't be sleeping through it.
also, there is no requirement that your child be given an anesthetic at all. In the circ's that I witnessed, about 75% received the nerve block, and the rest received EMLA cream (a _topical_ anesthetic--which is no good when you're cutting) and/or a pacifier soaked in sucrose (sugar water) to "distract them."
And I apologize if I've offended. I'm not trying to bash religion. I do not withdraw my statement that circumcision is barbaric--no matter the method. Shoving a metal probe under the foreskin to break adhesions certainly fits under the category of 'barbaric' to me.
As far as the statistics--please. I don't care if 99.9% of the world is doing "x." If the data suggests that "x" is either a.) unnecessary or b.) harmful I'm not going to be with that 99.9%.
Don't a lot of them use the plastibell? We didn't circ but I have heard a few people talk about it.
Also aren't a lot of African countries now getting higher circ rate due to the fact that some believe AIDS is cured or prevented by circumcising? We did our research a long time ago, this is all fuzzy to me.
As a registered nurse, I am of the opinion that circumcision is an unnecessary _surgical_ procedure. The AAP (Am. Acad. of Pediatrics) agrees. In nursing school, during my OB rotation, I was required to view and write a research paper on circumcision.
Firstly, the incidence of UTI's in uncirc'd males is _slightly_ (and I mean very slightly) increased (we're talking less than 1% higher, ladies). This issue can be remedied by simply teaching our boys hygenic practices. Isn't this what we are expected to do with our daughters (wiping front to back, sanitary products, etc. etc.)? What makes it so difficult with our sons?
Secondly, the religion debate. I don't consider myself religious, so I can't say I fully understand all of the issues surrounding this topic. However, it is my understanding that in Christianity, circumcision was required until the coming of Christ (which, if you believe the Bible, already happened). Anyways, call me insensitive (at least to religion--but on this issue I'm going to side with the helpless newborn) but it seems hypocritical to me that religion (which tends to teach beneficience, charity, etc.) would glorify the mutilation (yes, it really is mutilation) of God's own creation.
Thirdly, have any of you that are going to circumcise your boys _seen_ a circumcision? It's barbaric. Although _most_ pediatricians use lidocaine (a numbing medicine) and inject it into where they _think_ the nerve is (which is a guess, mind you), baby boys feel it. They scream, and they struggle agains the circumstraint (a plastic board with velcro restraints) until the end of the procedure, when _hopefully_ a parent or compassionate nurse (which is in most cases) holds and talks to him. On that note--if you are having your son circumcised--please be there for him. Please witness what you are subjecting your son to. And please be there to comfort him.
On a final note--think of it this way. We can all agree that children get dirty fingernails at one point or another. How do we remedy the situation? We perform routine maintenance to keep them clean and short. Now, you don't see parents cutting their newborns' fingertips off, now do we? The human fingertip (from the first knuckle just above the fingernail to the tip) has a similar amount of nerve endings as the newborn baby's foreskin. When we cut off this bit of skin, it hurts as much as cutting off your fingertip. And sure, your baby will forget. But it will take him awhile. Human infants are born into a state of trust vs. mistrust (based on Erikson's stages of development) and what better way to start off a trusting relationship with your precious baby boy than cutting part of him off? Contrary to many peoples' opinions, the human foreskin _does_ have many purposes. Circumcision is generally uncomplicated, but can _certainly_ lead to complications (infection, and hemmorhage are the big two).
Is it really worth it?
Please. Educate yourselves before you put your babies under the knife.
Ooh I'm very late too but it's been sooo long since my last circumcision debate!
We did not circ my son and we won't for any future sons. Our pediatrician was VERY surprised and kept forgetting that we weren't doing it, which makes me think that this is not a common decision in these parts.
Anyway, the only thing that bothers me about these debates are the people that simply leave it up to their husbands. I don't understand how you can completely wash your hands of a decision like this? Furthermore, if any of your DH's are like mine, they will simply choose the easiest answer- to circ. No further research. I could not have left a decision like that for my husband to make alone.
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I left it entirely up to DH because I don't know what it's like to have a penis one way or the other. Originally he was ant-circ because he kinda wished he had his foreskin, then he heard stories from a man at work who was un-circ and due to constant infections needed to be circumcized at 40. Then he changed his mind because at least he doesn't remember having it done- the other guy said it was crazy painful -plus all the infections beforehand weren't fun.
While it was his decision, I personally am somewhat relieved because I wasn't looking forward to moving the skin around to clean it (stupid reason I know- but that's why I didn't make the decision).
As a registered nurse, I am of the opinion that circumcision is an unnecessary _surgical_ procedure. The AAP (Am. Acad. of Pediatrics) agrees. In nursing school, during my OB rotation, I was required to view and write a research paper on circumcision.
Firstly, the incidence of UTI's in uncirc'd males is _slightly_ (and I mean very slightly) increased (we're talking less than 1% higher, ladies). This issue can be remedied by simply teaching our boys hygenic practices. Isn't this what we are expected to do with our daughters (wiping front to back, sanitary products, etc. etc.)? What makes it so difficult with our sons?
Secondly, the religion debate. I don't consider myself religious, so I can't say I fully understand all of the issues surrounding this topic. However, it is my understanding that in Christianity, circumcision was required until the coming of Christ (which, if you believe the Bible, already happened). Anyways, call me insensitive (at least to religion--but on this issue I'm going to side with the helpless newborn) but it seems hypocritical to me that religion (which tends to teach beneficience, charity, etc.) would glorify the mutilation (yes, it really is mutilation) of God's own creation.
Thirdly, have any of you that are going to circumcise your boys _seen_ a circumcision? It's barbaric. Although _most_ pediatricians use lidocaine (a numbing medicine) and inject it into where they _think_ the nerve is (which is a guess, mind you), baby boys feel it. They scream, and they struggle agains the circumstraint (a plastic board with velcro restraints) until the end of the procedure, when _hopefully_ a parent or compassionate nurse (which is in most cases) holds and talks to him. On that note--if you are having your son circumcised--please be there for him. Please witness what you are subjecting your son to. And please be there to comfort him.
On a final note--think of it this way. We can all agree that children get dirty fingernails at one point or another. How do we remedy the situation? We perform routine maintenance to keep them clean and short. Now, you don't see parents cutting their newborns' fingertips off, now do we? The human fingertip (from the first knuckle just above the fingernail to the tip) has a similar amount of nerve endings as the newborn baby's foreskin. When we cut off this bit of skin, it hurts as much as cutting off your fingertip. And sure, your baby will forget. But it will take him awhile. Human infants are born into a state of trust vs. mistrust (based on Erikson's stages of development) and what better way to start off a trusting relationship with your precious baby boy than cutting part of him off? Contrary to many peoples' opinions, the human foreskin _does_ have many purposes. Circumcision is generally uncomplicated, but can _certainly_ lead to complications (infection, and hemmorhage are the big two).
Is it really worth it?
Please. Educate yourselves before you put your babies under the knife.
Our insurance isn't covering it (which is insane) but we're doing it anyway...
It's actually quite common as insurance companies see it as a cosmetic procedure.
Yup - we know tha they now consider it "elective surgery"t. It's just amazing to me what thye choose to cover and not to cover. That's a whole other debate!
As a registered nurse, I am of the opinion that circumcision is an unnecessary _surgical_ procedure. The AAP (Am. Acad. of Pediatrics) agrees. In nursing school, during my OB rotation, I was required to view and write a research paper on circumcision.
Firstly, the incidence of UTI's in uncirc'd males is _slightly_ (and I mean very slightly) increased (we're talking less than 1% higher, ladies). This issue can be remedied by simply teaching our boys hygenic practices. Isn't this what we are expected to do with our daughters (wiping front to back, sanitary products, etc. etc.)? What makes it so difficult with our sons?
Secondly, the religion debate. I don't consider myself religious, so I can't say I fully understand all of the issues surrounding this topic. However, it is my understanding that in Christianity, circumcision was required until the coming of Christ (which, if you believe the Bible, already happened). Anyways, call me insensitive (at least to religion--but on this issue I'm going to side with the helpless newborn) but it seems hypocritical to me that religion (which tends to teach beneficience, charity, etc.) would glorify the mutilation (yes, it really is mutilation) of God's own creation.
Thirdly, have any of you that are going to circumcise your boys _seen_ a circumcision? It's barbaric. Although _most_ pediatricians use lidocaine (a numbing medicine) and inject it into where they _think_ the nerve is (which is a guess, mind you), baby boys feel it. They scream, and they struggle agains the circumstraint (a plastic board with velcro restraints) until the end of the procedure, when _hopefully_ a parent or compassionate nurse (which is in most cases) holds and talks to him. On that note--if you are having your son circumcised--please be there for him. Please witness what you are subjecting your son to. And please be there to comfort him.
On a final note--think of it this way. We can all agree that children get dirty fingernails at one point or another. How do we remedy the situation? We perform routine maintenance to keep them clean and short. Now, you don't see parents cutting their newborns' fingertips off, now do we? The human fingertip (from the first knuckle just above the fingernail to the tip) has a similar amount of nerve endings as the newborn baby's foreskin. When we cut off this bit of skin, it hurts as much as cutting off your fingertip. And sure, your baby will forget. But it will take him awhile. Human infants are born into a state of trust vs. mistrust (based on Erikson's stages of development) and what better way to start off a trusting relationship with your precious baby boy than cutting part of him off? Contrary to many peoples' opinions, the human foreskin _does_ have many purposes. Circumcision is generally uncomplicated, but can _certainly_ lead to complications (infection, and hemmorhage are the big two).
Is it really worth it?
Please. Educate yourselves before you put your babies under the knife.
I had both of my sons circumcised, but I didn't know the risks...I didn't do any research. If this one is a boy we will absolutely not circumcise! It is completely pointless (unless medically necessary) and it's pain our little boys don't need to experience.
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Way late but Yes he will be. Both DH and I work in healthcare and have seen way too many nasty incidences of uncirc.men that have come to the hospital bc their penis has become extremely infected to the point of having to literally "peel" back their forsekin bc it was "crusted" shut. Reasons like this are the reason we are not b/c other people are or are not.
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Our insurance isn't covering it (which is insane) but we're doing it anyway...
It's actually quite common as insurance companies see it as a cosmetic procedure.
Yup - we know tha they now consider it "elective surgery"t. It's just amazing to me what thye choose to cover and not to cover. That's a whole other debate!
I don't understand as to why it is a debate at all, if it is a cosmetic procedure. There are a lot of cosmetic procedures that can be covered (rhinoplasty for a deviated septum, etc.) if there are other issues, but foreskin is not a birth defect. There ARE conditions which necessitate circumcision but they are very rare. Pay for it or don't pay for it (OOP) but I don't see the debate. We will pay for it out of pocket if Jack ever decides he wants it.
As a registered nurse, I am of the opinion that circumcision is an unnecessary _surgical_ procedure. The AAP (Am. Acad. of Pediatrics) agrees. In nursing school, during my OB rotation, I was required to view and write a research paper on circumcision.
Firstly, the incidence of UTI's in uncirc'd males is _slightly_ (and I mean very slightly) increased (we're talking less than 1% higher, ladies). This issue can be remedied by simply teaching our boys hygenic practices. Isn't this what we are expected to do with our daughters (wiping front to back, sanitary products, etc. etc.)? What makes it so difficult with our sons?
Secondly, the religion debate. I don't consider myself religious, so I can't say I fully understand all of the issues surrounding this topic. However, it is my understanding that in Christianity, circumcision was required until the coming of Christ (which, if you believe the Bible, already happened). Anyways, call me insensitive (at least to religion--but on this issue I'm going to side with the helpless newborn) but it seems hypocritical to me that religion (which tends to teach beneficience, charity, etc.) would glorify the mutilation (yes, it really is mutilation) of God's own creation.
Thirdly, have any of you that are going to circumcise your boys _seen_ a circumcision? It's barbaric. Although _most_ pediatricians use lidocaine (a numbing medicine) and inject it into where they _think_ the nerve is (which is a guess, mind you), baby boys feel it. They scream, and they struggle agains the circumstraint (a plastic board with velcro restraints) until the end of the procedure, when _hopefully_ a parent or compassionate nurse (which is in most cases) holds and talks to him. On that note--if you are having your son circumcised--please be there for him. Please witness what you are subjecting your son to. And please be there to comfort him.
On a final note--think of it this way. We can all agree that children get dirty fingernails at one point or another. How do we remedy the situation? We perform routine maintenance to keep them clean and short. Now, you don't see parents cutting their newborns' fingertips off, now do we? The human fingertip (from the first knuckle just above the fingernail to the tip) has a similar amount of nerve endings as the newborn baby's foreskin. When we cut off this bit of skin, it hurts as much as cutting off your fingertip. And sure, your baby will forget. But it will take him awhile. Human infants are born into a state of trust vs. mistrust (based on Erikson's stages of development) and what better way to start off a trusting relationship with your precious baby boy than cutting part of him off? Contrary to many peoples' opinions, the human foreskin _does_ have many purposes. Circumcision is generally uncomplicated, but can _certainly_ lead to complications (infection, and hemmorhage are the big two).
Is it really worth it?
Please. Educate yourselves before you put your babies under the knife.
I had both of my sons circumcised, but I didn't know the risks...I didn't do any research. If this one is a boy we will absolutely not circumcise! It is completely pointless (unless medically necessary) and it's pain our little boys don't need to experience.
obviously the choice is yours but my only concern with this is that the son that isn't circumcised might feel, i don't want to say left out cause that's a bad choice of word but different from his brothers. that's something you might want to consider. boys can be cruel, even to their own brothers so definitely think about this one
No. DS is not circumcised, although DH is. He had complications and repeat surgery for his when he was very young. It suprises me that his parents are still very pro-circumcision after what he went through. I agree with pp that it is not a necessary procedure, and I'm not the type of person to bend to a fading social norm at the expense of my child's health and comfort. That's really the nicest way I can put it.
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Oh, these posts are always the most fun! It should be a personal decision between you and DH. It's not something you should get done just because the majority of other Bumpies are/aren't. And supposedly, it's pretty much a 50/50 thing either way now. DH and I made a decision about whether or not we were going to if LO was a boy, but she's a girl, so at least this is one decision DH and I don't have to worry about!
Other people's life choices aren't yours to accept or not accept. It's no skin off your nose either way. I doubt when you give birth a nurse is going to say "Sorry, your decision to not to circ isn't something I accept. Your reasons don't float my boat!" and haul your kid off to circumsize. Calling someone idiotic because they don't share your views is closed-minded and rude.
Well, gee, thanks for sharing what you think is stupid. Since we're sharing our personal opinions, you know what doesn't float my boat? Smoking while going through IVF and continuing to do so even after your BFP.
Ooh I hope we are going to get more stories of amputated penises!
Routine infant circ is not necessary. You could argue that studies have found certain benefits to it, but it's still an unnecessary procedure when done routinely. That is not an idiotic statement.
Agreed. The OP asked if people are having it done not for their opinions on it. To each's own with their decisions.
I have 2 sons that are not and in our family and gourp of friends my sons are the only ones who are not. And I have a whole boat load of reasons and if you really asked my opinion I would sure give you and ear full. BUT that is not fair. Everyone is allowed to have thier own opinion and as long as all the pro-circ women keep their opinions to there selfs I will keep my anti-cir opinions to myself.
For the mom who was wonderign the botched rates in other countries... they really arent any since the U.S is the only county still continuing to practice circ's.
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I meant the rates of penile amputation in the elderly. I know that we are one of the only countries that still does routine infant circ. so there probably aren't many stats from elsewhere on that part.
Oh that makes sense.
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I find out what we are expecting next thursday but we circumcised our son and if this one his a boy then he will be too
We will be circumcising our son.We're both Jewish and have witnessed it done so that no pain was caused to the infant. My nephew did not cry or even flinch. We will probably have a Bris as well. I find it completely insulting to hear that it is barbaric or tortuous. This country surely IS NOT the only one that routinely circumcises. Here is some data:
Africa
Less than 20%
Rwanda,[5]Burundi,[5]Zambia,[5]Zimbabwe,[5]Malawi,[5]Botswana,[5]Namibia,[5]Swaziland,[5]Canary,Is. (Spain).[5]
Between 20 and 80%
[5]Central African Republic,[5]Sudan,[5]Uganda,[5]Tanzania,[5]Mozambique,[5]South Africa,[5]Lesotho.[5]
80% or more
Algeria,[5]Morocco,[5]Mauritania,[5]Tunisia,[5]Libya,[5]Egypt,[5]Mali,[5]Senegal,[5]Gambia,[5]Guinea-Bissau,[5]Guinea,[5]Liberia,[5]Sierra Leone,[5]Ghana,[5]Togo,[5]Benin,[5]Burkina Faso,[5]Niger,[5]Nigeria,[5]Chad,[5]Cameroon,[5]Equatorial Guinea,[5]Gabon,[5]Republic of the Congo,[5]Democratic Republic of the Congo,[5]Eritrea,[5]Ethiopia,[5]Djibouti,[5]Somalia,[5]Kenya,[5]Angola,[5]Mauritius,[5]Madagascar.[5]C?te d'Ivoire (Ivory Coast).[5]
Asia
Less than 20%
Russia,[5]Mongolia,[5]China,[5]Taiwan,[5]North Korea,[5]India,[5]Sri Lanka,[5]Nepal,[5]Bhutan,[5]Burma,[5]Thailand,[5]Laos,[5]Vietnam,[5]Cambodia,[5]Japan,[5]Papua New Guinea.[5]
The overall prevalence of circumcision in Thailand is reportedly 13.3%.[9] The Irish government estimates that fewer than one percent of males are circumcised in China and Japan.[30]
Between 20 and 80%
Kazakhstan.[5]
80% or more
Israel,[5][31]South Korea,[5]Bangladesh,[5]Pakistan,[5]Afghanistan,[5]Azerbaijan,[5]Bahrain,[5]Brunei,[5]Tajikistan,[5]Kyrgyzstan,[5]Uzbekistan,[5]Turkmenistan,[5]Iran,[5]Iraq,[5]Kuwait,[5]Syria,[5]Lebanon,[5]Jordan,[5]Saudi Arabia,[5]Yemen,[5]Oman,[5]United Arab Emirates,[5]Qatar,[5]Malaysia,[5]Turkey,[5]Philippines.[9]Indonesia,[5]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prevalence_of_circumcision#80.25_or_morehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prevalence_of_circumcision#80.25_or_more
On the May 2011 board when this issue was brought up, one mother mentioned that her DS slept through his. Apparently the doctors of the babies who scream/struggle/what-not need a better education.
My son had a botched circumcision. At the age of 9 months he had to have surgery to have it corrected. He not only had to have extra skin removed they cut his penis from one end to the other so they move the urinary opening. He had a cathiter for a week after that which we had to go to the ER twice because he would move wrong and he would end up with blood in his urine.
Please do your research before deciding this very important decision. Don't just do it or not do it because your husband has one so he should know his way around penis. It is your and your SO's decision only, who cares what other people think about your son's penis? Do what you want pleae just make sure you are informed either way.
Don't a lot of them use the plastibell? We didn't circ but I have heard a few people talk about it.
Also aren't a lot of African countries now getting higher circ rate due to the fact that some believe AIDS is cured or prevented by circumcising? We did our research a long time ago, this is all fuzzy to me.
This exactly! If he wants to later there is plenty of stuff out there so it isnt painful.
i love you!
this, except I am late to the party.
Ooh I'm very late too but it's been sooo long since my last circumcision debate!
We did not circ my son and we won't for any future sons. Our pediatrician was VERY surprised and kept forgetting that we weren't doing it, which makes me think that this is not a common decision in these parts.
Anyway, the only thing that bothers me about these debates are the people that simply leave it up to their husbands. I don't understand how you can completely wash your hands of a decision like this? Furthermore, if any of your DH's are like mine, they will simply choose the easiest answer- to circ. No further research. I could not have left a decision like that for my husband to make alone.
I left it entirely up to DH because I don't know what it's like to have a penis one way or the other. Originally he was ant-circ because he kinda wished he had his foreskin, then he heard stories from a man at work who was un-circ and due to constant infections needed to be circumcized at 40. Then he changed his mind because at least he doesn't remember having it done- the other guy said it was crazy painful -plus all the infections beforehand weren't fun.
While it was his decision, I personally am somewhat relieved because I wasn't looking forward to moving the skin around to clean it (stupid reason I know- but that's why I didn't make the decision).
Also there is no "moving around of the skin" while they are infants. You just leave their penises alone.
Although later on in life, yes. You do have to teach them to take care of their penises- same as you would any child.
You said it better than I could've!
Our insurance isn't covering it (which is insane) but we're doing it anyway...
Yup - we know tha they now consider it "elective surgery"t. It's just amazing to me what thye choose to cover and not to cover. That's a whole other debate!
This!
I had both of my sons circumcised, but I didn't know the risks...I didn't do any research. If this one is a boy we will absolutely not circumcise! It is completely pointless (unless medically necessary) and it's pain our little boys don't need to experience.
I don't understand as to why it is a debate at all, if it is a cosmetic procedure. There are a lot of cosmetic procedures that can be covered (rhinoplasty for a deviated septum, etc.) if there are other issues, but foreskin is not a birth defect. There ARE conditions which necessitate circumcision but they are very rare. Pay for it or don't pay for it (OOP) but I don't see the debate. We will pay for it out of pocket if Jack ever decides he wants it.
obviously the choice is yours but my only concern with this is that the son that isn't circumcised might feel, i don't want to say left out cause that's a bad choice of word but different from his brothers. that's something you might want to consider. boys can be cruel, even to their own brothers so definitely think about this one
No. DS is not circumcised, although DH is. He had complications and repeat surgery for his when he was very young. It suprises me that his parents are still very pro-circumcision after what he went through. I agree with pp that it is not a necessary procedure, and I'm not the type of person to bend to a fading social norm at the expense of my child's health and comfort. That's really the nicest way I can put it.