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  • imageEchowysp:
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    imageEchowysp:

    Considering I'm going to teach Adam not to dip his pen in the well without a condom, removing part of his penis to prevent HIV won't be necessary.

    Right. Because teens ALWAYS heed their parents warnings about sex and protection.

    Indifferent

    I'm curious if Europe, who don't routinely circ their boys, have higher rates of HIV.

    Considering that what I've read about the HIV-circ connection was done in African countries where AIDS and unprotected sex is out of control, I still don't see a need to cut off part of my child's penis to prevent a very remote possibility.   I'm also not going to remove my daughter's breasts to prevent breast cancer.

    You mean you don't think we should do things like remove appendixes at birth because they might get infected?

    Funny how the research gets spun to support the things we're already doing.

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    OP- you would hate me then. We had DD on a delayed vaccination schedule, bedshared at an early age and started her FF before she turned 2 after too many anxious outings trying to install the car seat correctly RF in a taxi cab.

    I wouldn't judge you for that. I am sure a LO is safer in a correctly installed FF seat than an incorrectly installed RF one. That's a different story.

    And Echo, that makes sense. I'll admit, it does get frustrating at times when my kids are in a mood where they keep begging to watch TV and it's not time. But they get obsessed with all kinds of non-TV stuff that I'm always having to say no to as well. I just have to limit it and distract them and they don't ask as much.

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  • I think smoking with kids in the house should be illegal. Take your butt outside.

    I also dont get turning the carseat around before two years, because IMO, there's just no point.

    I'm also a nut about SIDS safety.

     Pretty much, my mom motto is "safety first".

    ETA: I will also add that we bedshare and have since DS was three months. There is good evidence that bedsharing, when done safely, can actually decrease the risk of SIDS. I followed all the safety guidelines to a T, including no blankets and sleeping on a mattress directly on the floor.

     

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  • imagewellfleet04:

    Re the inappropriate clothing, I don't judge that AT ALL.  My 3.5 year old will wear what she will wear.  I use natural consequences with her.  If she chooses not to wear a coat, she learns that she gets cold.  She's not going to die or get sick from going out in shorts one time when it's cold.  I always bring warmer stuff, but I let her have that independence and power of choice.  Not a battle worth fighting.  I also let her wear crazy mismatched outfits that she picks out herself.  Not a big deal to me and not something I judge when I see other kids.

    For me, it's letting young toddlers watch more than a couple of minutes TV (under 18 months), especially if you only have one kid.  There is just no reason you can't amuse your child another way.   Ditto that for having the TV on all day as background noise.  Studies show that even if you think your kid isn't watching it, it IS having an effect on how they play and how you interact with them.

    Another one that drives me nuts is people who are crazy about their kid's diet with organic everything and lots of fruits and veggies, but the adults in the household eat like crap.  Teach your kids moderation, and respect yourself and your health enough to eat well yourself.  What are those people going to do when their kids get older?  Never eat a family meal?  Why not just cook healthy food for EVERYONE?  Your health is important, too!

    Some people can't afford to eat organic, but want the best for their kids. And its entirely possible that they will be financially better off when their kids are older, and will be able to buy all organic at that juncture. BTW, DS eats what we eat and has from the get-go. I just think maybe you're not seeing possible reasons for this. Unless by "eating like crap" you mean fast food and junk food. But otherwise, I think you're being needlessly judgey.

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  • imageEchowysp:

    Circumcision. I don't buy the whole hygenie thing considering that vast amounts of other countries don't do it and somehow teach their boys to clean their penises.  Imagine the same argument for cutting off the labia of girls and you see how weird it is.  I keep it to myself, mostly though.

    i respect your opinion, but the hood of a penis is NOT the same thing as labia.  That is not the same argument.  The hood of the penis is the same as the hood of the clit - which, btw, i had pierced for many years and it didnt hurt at all.  Now, that said - the piercing felt good (more friction) so a better argument against circumcision is that it takes reduces sensation.  I am not sure if that is even true, but at least its a sound analogy.

    I circumcised because i am Jewish.

    I dont really have any issues...i dont really like seeing people purposely get pregnant when they are not financially ready, though. 

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    imageEchowysp:

    Circumcision. I don't buy the whole hygenie thing considering that vast amounts of other countries don't do it and somehow teach their boys to clean their penises.  Imagine the same argument for cutting off the labia of girls and you see how weird it is.  I keep it to myself, mostly though.

    i respect your opinion, but the hood of a penis is NOT the same thing as labia.  That is not the same argument.  The hood of the penis is the same as the hood of the clit - which, btw, i had pierced for many years and it didnt hurt at all.  Now, that said - the piercing felt good (more friction) so a better argument against circumcision is that it takes reduces sensation.  I am not sure if that is even true, but at least its a sound analogy.

    I circumcised because i am Jewish.

    I dont really have any issues...i dont really like seeing people purposely get pregnant when they are not financially ready, though. 

    I totally support circing for religious reasons. You gotta do what you gotta do. But I also don't appreciate being told that my son will get cancer because I didn't circ. I did what I thought was best at the time (along with the advice of our doctor) and have no regrets.

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    imageEchowysp:

    Circumcision. I don't buy the whole hygenie thing considering that vast amounts of other countries don't do it and somehow teach their boys to clean their penises.  Imagine the same argument for cutting off the labia of girls and you see how weird it is.  I keep it to myself, mostly though.

    i respect your opinion, but the hood of a penis is NOT the same thing as labia.  That is not the same argument.  The hood of the penis is the same as the hood of the clit - which, btw, i had pierced for many years and it didnt hurt at all.  Now, that said - the piercing felt good (more friction) so a better argument against circumcision is that it takes reduces sensation.  I am not sure if that is even true, but at least its a sound analogy.

    I circumcised because i am Jewish.

    I dont really have any issues...i dont really like seeing people purposely get pregnant when they are not financially ready, though. 

    Actually, there's a ton of nerve endings that are in the foreskin that the guy loses out on when it's removed and the friction of the foreskin moving adds to sexual sensation.  Sort of how when we're dry, our sexual experience isn't as good.

    Plus, it's waaaaay easier to do certain sexual favors when there's a foreskin.  Don't ask me how I know. ;-)

  • People that ignore their kid or treat him/her like an accessory or photo prop instead of a growing person who needs tons of interaction and attention even at times when its inconvenient or difficult or a PITA.

    On the other hand, people that are so over-involved in their kid's life that they can't leave them alone for 2 seconds and let the kid explore/roam safely.

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    imageEchowysp:

    Circumcision. I don't buy the whole hygenie thing considering that vast amounts of other countries don't do it and somehow teach their boys to clean their penises.  Imagine the same argument for cutting off the labia of girls and you see how weird it is.  I keep it to myself, mostly though.

    i respect your opinion, but the hood of a penis is NOT the same thing as labia.  That is not the same argument.  The hood of the penis is the same as the hood of the clit - which, btw, i had pierced for many years and it didnt hurt at all.  Now, that said - the piercing felt good (more friction) so a better argument against circumcision is that it takes reduces sensation.  I am not sure if that is even true, but at least its a sound analogy.

    I circumcised because i am Jewish.

    I dont really have any issues...i dont really like seeing people purposely get pregnant when they are not financially ready, though. 

    Actually, there's a ton of nerve endings that are in the foreskin that the guy loses out on when it's removed and the friction of the foreskin moving adds to sexual sensation.  Sort of how when we're dry, our sexual experience isn't as good.

    Plus, it's waaaaay easier to do certain sexual favors when there's a foreskin.  Don't ask me how I know. ;-)

    i think that is the best argument against circumcision, lol.  it actually makes me feel a little guilty for doing it (but as a Jew, not doing it didnt even come up as an option).

    i watched a documentary once about men who were so upset that they had been circumsized that  they would do "foreskin reconstruction".  And I kid you not, "foreskin reconstruction" is tying a weight to your penis and re-stretching the skin.  and its a slow process...its something they would do every day, after work.

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  • Mine are probably consistent discipline and cleanliness.

     

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  • imagewellfleet04:

    Another one that drives me nuts is people who are crazy about their kid's diet with organic everything and lots of fruits and veggies, but the adults in the household eat like crap.  Teach your kids moderation, and respect yourself and your health enough to eat well yourself.  What are those people going to do when their kids get older?  Never eat a family meal?  Why not just cook healthy food for EVERYONE?  Your health is important, too!

    You would hate me then, LOL. The reason that I do it is, quite frankly, I cannot afford organic food for everyone in the family and I want her to have the best start possible. We are now just getting to the point where DD can share meals. It's not that I don't want everyone else to be healthy, but I figure we are already ruined. Stick out tongue

    I have realized that I need to make an effort to eat myself what I want her to eat because she watches everything I do. Which means I have to make big changes and eat the crap when she's asleep. LOL

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  • imageCalinsBride:
    imagewellfleet04:

    Re the inappropriate clothing, I don't judge that AT ALL.  My 3.5 year old will wear what she will wear.  I use natural consequences with her.  If she chooses not to wear a coat, she learns that she gets cold.  She's not going to die or get sick from going out in shorts one time when it's cold.  I always bring warmer stuff, but I let her have that independence and power of choice.  Not a battle worth fighting.  I also let her wear crazy mismatched outfits that she picks out herself.  Not a big deal to me and not something I judge when I see other kids.

    For me, it's letting young toddlers watch more than a couple of minutes TV (under 18 months), especially if you only have one kid.  There is just no reason you can't amuse your child another way.   Ditto that for having the TV on all day as background noise.  Studies show that even if you think your kid isn't watching it, it IS having an effect on how they play and how you interact with them.

    Another one that drives me nuts is people who are crazy about their kid's diet with organic everything and lots of fruits and veggies, but the adults in the household eat like crap.  Teach your kids moderation, and respect yourself and your health enough to eat well yourself.  What are those people going to do when their kids get older?  Never eat a family meal?  Why not just cook healthy food for EVERYONE?  Your health is important, too!

    Some people can't afford to eat organic, but want the best for their kids. And its entirely possible that they will be financially better off when their kids are older, and will be able to buy all organic at that juncture. BTW, DS eats what we eat and has from the get-go. I just think maybe you're not seeing possible reasons for this. Unless by "eating like crap" you mean fast food and junk food. But otherwise, I think you're being needlessly judgey.

    By "crap" I mean eating a less healthy diet.  Nothing to do with organic.  I get that organics may not be in everyone's budget, and that's fine, but if you think it's important for your kid to eat lots of fruits and veggies and fresh foods (which it IS!), it's important for you to do the same for the same reasons.  

    Aren't we all being "judgey" in this post?  Wasn't that the point?  I'm judging people who prepare one healthy meal for their kids and then eat junk/all carbs/whatever themselves later after the kid is asleep.  Your kids learn to eat by watching you eat.  They learn the importance of eating real food, veggies, etc by watching you respect yourself and your health enough to do what you want them to do.  I think a HUGE reason many toddlers are such picky eaters is that their parents feed them differently or separately.  I am big on everyone eating the same, healthy things, preferably together.  It teaches kids moderation, healthy habits, family dinner, etc.  

    I get that sometimes you have to choose, and the kid gets the organic milk while the parents don't, but a lot of the time it's just that the parents don't respect their own health to follow the diet they want their kids to.  Your health is just as important as your kids'!

  • My only real "issue" is when parents smoke around their LOs (in the car or at home) .  That's horrible and should be illegal IMO.  But there's really no way to control it.
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  • The only thing I simply cannot support (other than abuse, obviously) is smoking. Especially in the house or car. I get that it's an addiction...I was there for 10 years, I know how hard it is to quit, which is EXACTLY why I quit in 12/07 in preparation to TTC. I didn't even want that in my body at conception!

    I have a cousin who has 2 little girls with asthma and no matter how much we all plead with them, they still smoke in the house/car. Every time the girls come visit their clothes, overnight bag, carseats smell like cigarettes. It disgusts me that someone would subject their child to that.

    Um, yeah. The Bump be too crazy for pics of my kid.
  • I cannot stand the following:

    -Judging other parents for little things like what the child wears or if it's breastfed or formula fed.

    -Parents who smoke around their kids.

    -Not wanting to prolong turning their child's seat around if they can.

    -Parents who choose drugs/alcohol over their kids

    -Parents who fight (and I mean really fight) and abuse one another in front of their kids.

     

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    The only thing I simply cannot support (other than abuse, obviously) is smoking. Especially in the house or car. I get that it's an addiction...I was there for 10 years, I know how hard it is to quit, which is EXACTLY why I quit in 12/07 in preparation to TTC. I didn't even want that in my body at conception!

    I have a cousin who has 2 little girls with asthma and no matter how much we all plead with them, they still smoke in the house/car. Every time the girls come visit their clothes, overnight bag, carseats smell like cigarettes. It disgusts me that someone would subject their child to that.

    I think that, especially since the kids have asthma, that should be punishable by intervention by CPS. That is terrible and disgusting. I kind of want to shoot them.

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  • Non-vaccinators make my blood boil.

    I vehemently disagree with those who do delayed schedules....but if they're eventually fully vaccinating their kid, a little of my rage goes away.  lol.

  • People who don't vaccinate their kids. It's the only thing that may affect my kid. Everything else, I really don't give a shiit. I may give the side eye, but not something I would consider a hot button issue.
  • HANDS DOWN, the most annoying thing to me is when parents put blankets in a crib with young babies.  Also, stuffed animals etc.  I worry so much about that stuff and I just can't stand to see tiny babies covered in blankets in the crib.  To me, it is SO dangerous.
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  • Smoking around children makes me want to hurt someone. This includes smoking outside and then coming back in and breathing their nasty smokers breath all over their kids.

    I'm also really bothered when I see really young children being '"disciplined" in a way that is not appropriate for their age.

    I'm also pretty passionate about extended rear facing but I've had to keep my mouth shut with many friends at this point.

  • imageCalinsBride:
    imageheatherlane:

    The only thing I simply cannot support (other than abuse, obviously) is smoking. Especially in the house or car. I get that it's an addiction...I was there for 10 years, I know how hard it is to quit, which is EXACTLY why I quit in 12/07 in preparation to TTC. I didn't even want that in my body at conception!

    I have a cousin who has 2 little girls with asthma and no matter how much we all plead with them, they still smoke in the house/car. Every time the girls come visit their clothes, overnight bag, carseats smell like cigarettes. It disgusts me that someone would subject their child to that.

    I think that, especially since the kids have asthma, that should be punishable by intervention by CPS. That is terrible and disgusting. I kind of want to shoot them.

    There is a very, very fine line between tough love, and not pissing the parents off so much that they take away access and therefore, some good influences in these girls' lives. Suffice it to say the issue has been discussed with them many, many times with promises to quit or at least take it outside (with several family members).

    The thing that makes me the most angry is that they are decent parents otherwise. The girls are smart, well-adjusted, well-behaved, have great imaginations, communicate well with children and adults. It always puts that nature vs nuture debate back in my mind.

    Um, yeah. The Bump be too crazy for pics of my kid.
  • imageEchowysp:

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    Echo, I'm impressed you have managed to keep that up while taking care of a toddler and a newborn!

    You mean the tv thing?  Believe me, I now get the appeal of turning on the tv now that Ava is here.  He's pretty active and likes to do things around the house, so I'm lucky that way.  He has become more clingy since she came though, so that's what has made me think maybe it's time to introduce him to animal shows or something so I can get stuff done without having to chatter back and forth with him.

    It's hard when you've been pretty strong opinionated about something to then start doing it.  I'm afraid he will always be begging to watch once he gets a taste.

    Yep, I've learned this the hard way.  Tongue Tied

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  • imageEchowysp:

    I'm curious if Europe, who don't routinely circ their boys, have higher rates of HIV.

    Considering that what I've read about the HIV-circ connection was done in African countries where AIDS and unprotected sex is out of control, I still don't see a need to cut off part of my child's penis to prevent a very remote possibility.   I'm also not going to remove my daughter's breasts to prevent breast cancer.

    Oh, I don't care if you circ your kid or not, don't need any studies, etc. I'm Jewish, it's a non-issue, and I don't have any problem with circ whatsoever. I just think of ALL the arguments you could have used in favor of NOT circ'ing, THAT was just the flimsiest/most ridiculous one you could have picked.  I'm sure there are MANY other great arguments as to why one wouldn't do it (as some were pointed out later on in the thread) you could have picked other than "You'll teach him not to so he just won't." Hello, Bristol Palin....

  • We are Jewish - we circ'ed and I can't for the life of me understand why anyone else gives a shiit about that. He was fine and is fine.

    My issue is holier than thou parents who think just because they do things one way that everyone should be able to do things the same. Just because something is easy for you doesn't mean that everyone else is in your same situation.

     

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    imageEchowysp:

    I'm curious if Europe, who don't routinely circ their boys, have higher rates of HIV.

    Considering that what I've read about the HIV-circ connection was done in African countries where AIDS and unprotected sex is out of control, I still don't see a need to cut off part of my child's penis to prevent a very remote possibility.   I'm also not going to remove my daughter's breasts to prevent breast cancer.

    Oh, I don't care if you circ your kid or not, don't need any studies, etc. I'm Jewish, it's a non-issue, and I don't have any problem with circ whatsoever. I just think of ALL the arguments you could have used in favor of NOT circ'ing, THAT was just the flimsiest/most ridiculous one you could have picked.  I'm sure there are MANY other great arguments as to why one wouldn't do it (as some were pointed out later on in the thread) you could have picked other than "You'll teach him not to so he just won't." Hello, Bristol Palin....

    I get what you're saying.  But I'm just pointing out that cutting of a body part to stop a disease that is easily controlled with condoms is way extreme to me.  Much like countries who would sew a girl's labia together to prevent pregnancy.  That wouldn't fly in our country.

  • My hot button issue is seeing kids eating Junk food as their main form of "nutrition". I am saying this because at day care I notice some toddlers get pre packaged/processed food for meals. I understand some parents are simply busy. Trust me, we are a very busy working couple working almost 50 hrs each week with 2 hours commute each way in the NY/NJ area. I know busy.

    What bothers me is that it's ok to put your child's nutrition on the back burner until its too late. Kids obesity is a huge growing problem in many parts of the world now. I strongly believe we are made of what we eat.

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