About the "poop on the floor post"

ashleyrsotomayor · August 2010

First of all, I am kind of surprised and slightly offended that people would actually believe I would make the kid feel bad for having an accident. I am not at all that kind of teacher, and I don't even raise my voice with my students ever.

Secondly, I don't even know which kid it was because it happened at the end of the day...it fell out of his or her shorts onto the floor in pieces. It was time to go home before I could discover the culprit. If I had known who it was, I would have taken them to the nurse to get changed and told them it was okay and that it happens to everyone at some point. I have a feeling of who it was, because I have one kid that doesn't want to stop playing to use the restroom, which I feel at their age should not be an issue. This child does not have any "issues", or I would obviously feel different. And I am not even sure it was that child.

Third of all I was simply venting about my rough first week of school. I understand they are in kinder, this isn't my first year with this age group, but I have some very defiant and hyper children this year and it has been an extremely challenging start to the year. I do not have an aid, and I only get 30 minutes a day to use the restroom and eat. I also have to clean up my room since we don't have a janitor. So, the poop issue was just one thing to really set me off after the kids had done nothing but test me all day. I have NEVER had a class like this. Last year I won the staff award for most patience, so to insinuate that I am unprofessional for not wanting to clean up poop off the floor after a long day of trying to manage a class full of 24 really hyper kids all by myself is just ridiculous. I am sure you wouldn't be thrilled about it either. I know being a teacher is hard, and the pay isn't great, but I didn't sign up for being the janitor too and this year I am thanks to more budget cuts.

As a side note...I was also offended by the person who mentioned "rubbing the kids face in it", and I agree that I would not even do that with my dog. By the whole post was just a vent about me having to clean up poop that I suspect came from a kid very capable of knowing when to use the restroom.

Brilanea · August 2010

so sorry you had a rough day & it wasn't made any easier

shanna82 · August 2010

I knew exactly what you meant when you posted it Big Smile

And I am sorry you are having such a tough class so far. **hugs**

jolieandscott · August 2010

Girl, I teach first grade. I get it! Your morals are intact. I never doubted you.

ashleyrsotomayor · August 2010

shanna82:
I knew exactly what you meant when you posted it And I am sorry you are having such a tough class so far. **hugs**

Thanks. You know how some people can be. Especially non-educators. Like parents when they think their kids are angels all day and never believe when they do something wrong, or when they make up a million excuses for why their kid has misbehaved. I can very easily tell which students "know better" and which ones don't, and if I even suspect a child might have some type of learning issue or other issue preventing them from understanding right from wrong I would absolutely do everything in my power to help them.

kbel424 · August 2010

I didn't even realize your post turned into anything negative. I read it last night real quick and I knew what you meant. I didn't look at it again. Sorry the school year is off to a rough start. I hope it gets better!

cherylanddoug · August 2010

I am a teacher too and I refrained from posting on that all day today because I thought it wasn't right that you were being thrown under the bus when you weren't even here to defend yourself!

I do not think anything you said was unprofessional. We all have bad days, and honestly the kids do things that can make it worse (ie the kid who drew a giant penis on the wall when I was out because my nana passed away...like that was what I wanted to see when I came back). I don't think there is anything wrong with mentioning something that happened in the classroom either, lots of other people talk about what happens at their work too and what's to say their clients don't come on here!

I would also like to know where in our contract it says we are held to a higher moral standard! We can't vent about our school day? At my school we have a teacher that stabbed a kid in the throat with a fencing sword in his classroom and that teacher still has his job!

frogyie · August 2010

kbel424:
I didn't even realize your post turned into anything negative. I read it last night real quick and I knew what you meant. I didn't look at it again. Sorry the school year is off to a rough start. I hope it gets better!

This!

ashleyrsotomayor · August 2010

cherylanddoug:
I am a teacher too and I refrained from posting on that all day today because I thought it wasn't right that you were being thrown under the bus when you weren't even here to defend yourself!

I do not think anything you said was unprofessional. We all have bad days, and honestly the kids do things that can make it worse (ie the kid who drew a giant penis on the wall when I was out because my nana passed away...like that was what I wanted to see when I came back). I don't think there is anything wrong with mentioning something that happened in the classroom either, lots of other people talk about what happens at their work too and what's to say their clients don't come on here!

I would also like to know where in our contract it says we are held to a higher moral standard! We can't vent about our school day? At my school we have a teacher that stabbed a kid in the throat with a fencing sword in his classroom and that teacher still has his job!

Thank you. I almost forgot there are so many perfect people on here that never complain. Ooooops my bad.

tctibbe · August 2010

I know what you meant too. Weird that anyone would think anything differently. It take a special kind of person to be with children that age all day. Thank you for being a teacher.

Hope the rest of the school year goes well for you.

ashleyrsotomayor · August 2010

By the way too, all the stuff about "what if the kid is scared, nervous, etc"....don't you know that if that were the case I would be comforting the child? If it was the child I was thinking, he has been screaming, tackling kids on the floor, and does not sit...ever. I don't think he is scared OR nervous.

jms2005 · August 2010

shanna82:
I knew exactly what you meant when you posted it And I am sorry you are having such a tough class so far. **hugs**

This. I hope things get better for you!

ashleyrsotomayor · August 2010

Thanks...sorry for more venting, I just HATE when people on here take things and twist them around and attack. It makes me crazy!!!!!!!!!!

CashewsMommy · August 2010

I didn't read all the comments from your post, but wow. I'm sorry people were being rude about it! I know you'd never do that to your students!! (((hugs)))

3ltlones · August 2010

I'm not sure if you are referring to me or not but I actually said that I thought that you likely reacted differently in the classroom and posted here out of frustration.

Olive44 · August 2010

I didn't see anything wrong at all with your original post. I just took it as you venting about a stressful day at work, which we all do sometimes. No biggie. I know you are not the kind of person to make a child feel bad, and I saw no ill-intent in the post.

suntoto · August 2010

ashleyrsotomayor:
shanna82:
I knew exactly what you meant when you posted it And I am sorry you are having such a tough class so far. **hugs**
Thanks. You know how some people can be. Especially non-educators. Like parents when they think their kids are angels all day and never believe when they do something wrong, or when they make up a million excuses for why their kid has misbehaved. I can very easily tell which students "know better" and which ones don't, and if I even suspect a child might have some type of learning issue or other issue preventing them from understanding right from wrong I would absolutely do everything in my power to help them.

You do realize that I was a teacher before moving on to curriculum development, right? Yes teachers put up with a hell of a lot more than they ever should, but it still doesn't make posting such vents appropriate for public boards. As per the higher moral standard, sorry, but it is true and a huge part of what occurs today in the teaching world. I, personally don't agree with it, but it is what it is. When vice principals are not fired for confiscating a sexting transgression and teachers are not flamed in the news for being human, can you say it isn't there. Also, as a past kindergarten teacher I fail to see how it is ok to vent such things on a public, searchable platform, especially when your sn is your irl name that anyone could google!

3ltlones · August 2010

ashleyrsotomayor:
By the way too, all the stuff about "what if the kid is scared, nervous, etc"....don't you know that if that were the case I would be comforting the child? If it was the child I was thinking, he has been screaming, tackling kids on the floor, and does not sit...ever. I don't think he is scared OR nervous.

To be fair, you couldn't comfort the child because you said you didn't know who it was.

MCH77 · August 2010

I have not read your other post, mainly b/c I think it will piss me off.

Vent, scream, curse, laugh about your day... sometimes that is what you need to do to make it to the next one. It doesn't matter your profession, we all have those days. ((HUGS))

TeacherVicky · August 2010

I understood your post and where you were coming from.

I don't agree with one of the comments that was made, but it's not like you commented on it to extend the "joke" (I use that term loosely in this comment's case).

I could see from the time you joined this board that you love your job and care a lot for your students, and that makes you a great teacher!

kellbelle618 · August 2010

shanna82:
I knew exactly what you meant when you posted it And I am sorry you are having such a tough class so far. **hugs**

This exactly! I'm sorry everyone was attacking you. I teach 2nd grade and one year I had a kid who used to have accidents all the time because he was afraid of "the ghosts in the bathroom." There is a huge difference between being afraid like that, and to just not be willing to stop playing long enough for a bathroom break when you know better. Girl, sometimes us teachers just need to vent and I don't think you were wrong at all in your earlier post!

damabo80 · August 2010

Olive44:
I didn't see anything wrong at all with your original post. I just took it as you venting about a stressful day at work, which we all do sometimes. No biggie. I know you are not the kind of person to make a child feel bad, and I saw no ill-intent in the post.

Agreed. Cleaning up poop is usually not the highlight of one's day. Unless one is a proctologist, but even then....

ashleyrsotomayor · August 2010

3ltlones:
I'm not sure if you are referring to me or not but I actually said that I thought that you likely reacted differently in the classroom and posted here out of frustration.

I was not referring to you, and you are correct that it was as simple as being frustrated about cleaning poop off the floor. And even if I had known it was the kid I suspected, I would have comforted that kid just like any other, regardless of their behavior. I would never punish a child because of an accident.

ashleyrsotomayor · August 2010

suntoto:
ashleyrsotomayor:
shanna82:
I knew exactly what you meant when you posted it And I am sorry you are having such a tough class so far. **hugs**
Thanks. You know how some people can be. Especially non-educators. Like parents when they think their kids are angels all day and never believe when they do something wrong, or when they make up a million excuses for why their kid has misbehaved. I can very easily tell which students "know better" and which ones don't, and if I even suspect a child might have some type of learning issue or other issue preventing them from understanding right from wrong I would absolutely do everything in my power to help them.
You do realize that I was a teacher before moving on to curriculum development, right? Yes teachers put up with a hell of a lot more than they ever should, but it still doesn't make posting such vents appropriate for public boards. As per the higher moral standard, sorry, but it is true and a huge part of what occurs today in the teaching world. I, personally don't agree with it, but it is what it is. When vice principals are not fired for confiscating a sexting transgression and teachers are not flamed in the news for being human, can you say it isn't there. Also, as a past kindergarten teacher I fail to see how it is ok to vent such things on a public, searchable platform, especially when your sn is your irl name that anyone could google!

Yes, and that does not make you any better. Like you have never complained. I was complaining about cleaning up poop from the floor after school...BIG DEAL. And my parents don't speak English, so I doubt they will be googling me. And just because it annoys you so much I am going to DD. AND I know the moral standard is there...and I don't think I have a compromised moral standard because I complained about cleaning poop since we don't have a janitor. GEEEEEEEZ.

kellbelle618 · August 2010

damabo80:

Olive44:
I didn't see anything wrong at all with your original post. I just took it as you venting about a stressful day at work, which we all do sometimes. No biggie. I know you are not the kind of person to make a child feel bad, and I saw no ill-intent in the post.

Agreed. Cleaning up poop is usually not the highlight of one's day. Unless one is a proctologist, but even then....

Yes

cherylanddoug · August 2010

ashleyrsotomayor:
suntoto:
ashleyrsotomayor:

shanna82:
I knew exactly what you meant when you posted it And I am sorry you are having such a tough class so far. **hugs**

Thanks. You know how some people can be. Especially non-educators. Like parents when they think their kids are angels all day and never believe when they do something wrong, or when they make up a million excuses for why their kid has misbehaved. I can very easily tell which students "know better" and which ones don't, and if I even suspect a child might have some type of learning issue or other issue preventing them from understanding right from wrong I would absolutely do everything in my power to help them.

You do realize that I was a teacher before moving on to curriculum development, right? Yes teachers put up with a hell of a lot more than they ever should, but it still doesn't make posting such vents appropriate for public boards. As per the higher moral standard, sorry, but it is true and a huge part of what occurs today in the teaching world. I, personally don't agree with it, but it is what it is. When vice principals are not fired for confiscating a sexting transgression and teachers are not flamed in the news for being human, can you say it isn't there. Also, as a past kindergarten teacher I fail to see how it is ok to vent such things on a public, searchable platform, especially when your sn is your irl name that anyone could google!

Yes, and that does not make you any better. Like you have never complained. I was complaining about cleaning up poop from the floor after school...BIG DEAL. And my parents don't speak English, so I doubt they will be googling me. And just because it annoys you so much I am going to DD. AND I know the moral standard is there...and I don't think I have a compromised moral standard because I complained about cleaning poop since we don't have a janitor. GEEEEEEEZ.

this. and now refraining from saying the truly terrible things I am thinking

suntoto · August 2010

Ashley, you are missing the point entirely, and that doesn't make you right. The world is what it is and you have to operate with in it. If you choose to get fired bc a disgruntled parent googles you and finds this inappropriate vent of yours, that is your choice and your loss. There is a reason why my sn is not my irl name. Also, know that when you choose to vent you invite all kinds of responses. I was shocked that a TEACHER in today's world would not even realize this! GEEEEEZE! Also calm down and reread my post, maybe then you will realize you missed my point entirely!

ashleyrsotomayor · August 2010

suntoto:
Ashley, you are missing the point entirely, and that doesn't make you right. The world is what it is and you have to operate with in it. If you choose to get fired bc a disgruntled parent googles you and finds this inappropriate vent of yours, that is your choice and your loss. There is a reason why my sn is not my irl name. Also, know that when you choose to vent you invite all kinds of responses. I was shocked that a TEACHER in today's world would not even realize this! GEEEEEZE! Also calm down and reread my post, maybe then you will realize you missed my point entirely!

Then why do you care????!!! Seriously. I "got the point" and it was dumb. I am a teacher and I didn't realize someone would make a big deal out of me complaining about poop? That doesn't even make sense. You just love to stir the pot. It doesn't even matter what the post is about. I just feel sorry for you.

ashleyrsotomayor · August 2010

ashleyrsotomayor:
suntoto:
Ashley, you are missing the point entirely, and that doesn't make you right. The world is what it is and you have to operate with in it. If you choose to get fired bc a disgruntled parent googles you and finds this inappropriate vent of yours, that is your choice and your loss. There is a reason why my sn is not my irl name. Also, know that when you choose to vent you invite all kinds of responses. I was shocked that a TEACHER in today's world would not even realize this! GEEEEEZE! Also calm down and reread my post, maybe then you will realize you missed my point entirely!
Then why do you care????!!! Seriously. I "got the point" and it was dumb. I am a teacher and I didn't realize someone would make a big deal out of me complaining about poop? That doesn't even make sense. You just love to stir the pot. It doesn't even matter what the post is about. I just feel sorry for you.

Oh, and I am only arguing this point still because I it is helping me blow off some steam. Thanks for that. Did you really think an educated person such as myself is going to jeopardize my career for something silly like that? I went back and read the OP before DDing it, just because I am tired and forgot what I wrote exactly and the OP said "A kid pooped on the floor today. How am I going to survive this year? That is all." Ummmmm....not sure how you could think that was worthy of losing my job. I am pretty sure even my parents would be complaining about cleaning up poop.

ashleyrsotomayor · August 2010

lrachelle80:
Ladies, do NOT make me stop this car and get out the puppies and rainbows PIPs. I will turn this car right around!

Ha ha ha...usually I am very puppies and rainbows, but the combo of a rough first week of school, a BFN this morning, and being exhausted has unleashed the beast. I am NOT putting the nice face on today. Sorry.

suntoto · August 2010

Funny, I could say the same about your long winded oh I've got to call out suntoto post, Ashley. Hi pot stirrer meat kettle!

ashleyrsotomayor · August 2010

suntoto:
Funny, I could say the same about your long winded oh I've got to call out suntoto post, Ashley. Hi pot stirrer meat kettle!

Honestly, I am just enjoying calling you out...because it needs to happen. Someone has to knock you off your high horse. I am stirring up what YOU started Wink

cherylanddoug · August 2010

suntoto:
Funny, I could say the same about your long winded oh I've got to call out suntoto post, Ashley. Hi pot stirrer meat kettle!

O high and mighty administer of curriculum, even Ashley's ESL kids know the word is meet.

MCH77 · August 2010

cherylanddoug:

suntoto:
Funny, I could say the same about your long winded oh I've got to call out suntoto post, Ashley. Hi pot stirrer meat kettle!

O high and mighty administer of curriculum, even Ashley's ESL kids know the word is meet.

**Like**

ashleyrsotomayor · August 2010

cherylanddoug:
suntoto:
Funny, I could say the same about your long winded oh I've got to call out suntoto post, Ashley. Hi pot stirrer meat kettle!

O high and mighty administer of curriculum, even Ashley's ESL kids know the word is meet.

Baaaa ha ha ha ha ha!

AGFaso · August 2010

suntoto:
Ashley, you are missing the point entirely, and that doesn't make you right. The world is what it is and you have to operate with in it. If you choose to get fired bc a disgruntled parent googles you and finds this inappropriate vent of yours, that is your choice and your loss. There is a reason why my sn is not my irl name. Also, know that when you choose to vent you invite all kinds of responses. I was shocked that a TEACHER in today's world would not even realize this! GEEEEEZE! Also calm down and reread my post, maybe then you will realize you missed my point entirely!

Funny, you seem to say this a lot. Maybe you are not as eloquent as you think you are. Seriously, you hardly ever post on TTCAL anymore unless you are flaming someone.

ETA-spelling

cherylanddoug · August 2010

This is what comes up when you google her name...I think she is safe...and her name is relatively common.

https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rlz=1R2ADRA_enUS364&q=ashley+sotomayor&cts=1281583205350&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=

cherylanddoug · August 2010

MCH77:
cherylanddoug:

suntoto:
Funny, I could say the same about your long winded oh I've got to call out suntoto post, Ashley. Hi pot stirrer meat kettle!

O high and mighty administer of curriculum, even Ashley's ESL kids know the word is meet.

**Like**

we must both facebook too much I often look for a like button under a post I enjoy!

kellbelle618 · August 2010

cherylanddoug:

suntoto:
Funny, I could say the same about your long winded oh I've got to call out suntoto post, Ashley. Hi pot stirrer meat kettle!

O high and mighty administer of curriculum, even Ashley's ESL kids know the word is meet.

Yes

kellbelle618 · August 2010

AGFaso:

suntoto:
Ashley, you are missing the point entirely, and that doesn't make you right. The world is what it is and you have to operate with in it. If you choose to get fired bc a disgruntled parent googles you and finds this inappropriate vent of yours, that is your choice and your loss. There is a reason why my sn is not my irl name. Also, know that when you choose to vent you invite all kinds of responses. I was shocked that a TEACHER in today's world would not even realize this! GEEEEEZE! Also calm down and reread my post, maybe then you will realize you missed my point entirely!

Funny, you seem to say this a lot. Maybe you are not as eloquent as you think you are. Seriously, you hardly ever post on TTCAL anymore unless you are flaming someone.

ETA-spelling

Exactly. Couldn't have said it better myself

mr14 · August 2010

I think this whole situation has been blown out of proportion!

However, I think teachers have to be REALLY careful about what they post about on places like facebook and message boards. There are so many parents that get mad at you and take someone you said and run. One of my friends just got suspended from work for something she complained about on facebook. Someone printed it out and took it to her boss. I get that cleaning up poop was not fun, but it just looks bad to post about it. Just my honest opinion. Vent to people IRL - or get a screen name that doesn't scream your real name and don't add your picture to your siggy. Then vent.

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