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Judge blocks part of AZ immigration law
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Re: Judge blocks part of AZ immigration law
While I agree there is a problem, this issue is more than just an illegal immigration one. What is the state of Arizona doing about healthcare companies and hospitals etc who are charging WAY TOO MUCH for health services, which leads to exhorbitant deficits? Its easy to say "these are the people we're treating, they are the reason for the deficit" when its more than that.
OMG, I looooooove when people C&P and then try to pass it off as their own deep thoughts.
I was thinking the same thing....so lame
I edited this because i realized what i said was completely wrong. I did not mean to sound like that and I do realize there are Legal immigrants. Dumb me... sorry for offending people!
Praytell, what would give an officer a "resonable suspicion" of illegal immigration status? Their skin color? The fact that their car smells like a burrito? There are 3+ passengers in the car? They are pulling lawn equipment in a trailer? They have a Mexican flag hanging from their mirror? Honestly, I cannot think of a single 'reasonable suspicion' one would have that would NOT involve racial or ethnic profiling. That is the problem I have with this law.
I'm offended by your use of the phrase "colored people"
I admittedly posted a VERY bad example/scenario.
The part I bolded is the reasonable suspicion...If they can't produce license, registration or insurance information that appears credible or can't produce it at all, that's the reasonable suspicion.
Is anyone spending time with their babies??? Or just arguing on the bump?
LOL!
The difference is that ANYONE can be suspect of drugs and alcohol, while only Hispanics would be under suspicion for being illegal. The basis for asking for proof of citizenship would be race, therefore it is seen by some as racial profiling.
I really was not saying it like this.
I'm very sorry. And shame on my ancestors if they were like those illegals. Please accept big apologies. I'm from the sticks and can be very politically incorrect at times.
No, the bump version is I feel sorry for your LO and your husband.
The spending time with your babies comment here was completely gratuitous.
It's already illegal to drive without a license or proof of insurance, so I don't see why the extra law is necessary.
Look ladies, I don't have a horse in this race. I don't live in a border state but I do live in an area near several meat packing companies. This area is gaining a heavy illegal immigrant population.
What gets me worked up is when people throw around the racial profiling term. My DH is a cop. Yes, there are a few bad apples that seem to give them all a bad name. But my husband is a decent, hard working, ethical man and cop. He would never pull someone over strictly based on the color of their skin or nationality. Has he been accused of racial profiling - yes. Was he cleared, not only by the agency but by a court of law - yes. The two times he was accused of it were by people who were only trying to get out of tickets and one time the lawyer actually proved that the accuser had used this tactic twice before with other cops.
Speaking back to this law, most of the cops that I know would only do this if there was a serious violation of the law - armed robbery, battery, etc. I know there are some out there who would for lesser violations but I think the paperwork alone on something like this would deter law enforcement from doing it for lesser crimes.
Okay - but in all honesty, how do you think your ancestors came here? And what does that mean - "like those illegals?"
I just laughed so hard a little pee came out!!!
Those numbers you cut and paste are meaningless if you do not also include the TOTAL amount of uncompensated and undercompensated care absorbed by those respective hospitals.
Roughly $104 million is spent on those who are not of legal status by Parkland Hospital in Dallas. By itself, it sounds like a large number until you realize that Parkland spends $523.4 Million a year in total for uncompensated and undercompensated care. The $523.5 million that is incurred by those here legally is a much BIGGER issue than the $104 million for those who are not of legal status.
No - read what I posted earlier. One of the reasons the judge issued a preliminary injunction was because she interpreted the law to require police officers to check immigration status at every arrest - it wouldn't be optional. Arizona argued this wasn't the case but in a paragraph that would make the heart of a professor of statutory interpretation skip a beat, she stated that the law was written to mandate such a check at every arrest (not every time charges are filed, every arrest) - which was a huge burden on police officers and the state.
she said that, not me.
Around here some terms are not considered derrogatory or offensive, so I did not realize that until I was flamed for it.
How is not having a license or registration on you reasonable suspicion of being an illegal? There are PLENTY of degenerate American Citizens out there right now driving on suspended licenses, or driving vehicles that aren't registered. By your accounts, if they got pulled over and couldn't produce a license or registration, then the cop would reasonably suspect them of being illegal and ask them for proof of citizenship? No way.
The cop would only suspect illegal status if the driver was BROWN or BLACK and couldn't produce the required license or registration.
That is why its considered profiling.
I was merely replying to this example. If you read my posts a few down from here, I don't think the intention of this law was to inquire for petty things like minor traffic violations. I believe it was intended for more serious crimes. Would some cops use it for minor violations? Yes. But I doubt most would. Maybe that's just my crazy thinking though.
I know MW used the phrase first. I'm more concerned with your particular verbage in that last post. "Shame on my ancestors if they were like those illegals."
I can guarantee your ancestors were likely "illegal," at least some of them, so does that mean shame on them?
Ok, I understand this. However, I'm oretty sure that if you are arrested for a serious crime now they check your immigration status no? Aren't they already doing this?
I hear what you're saying but a citation and an arrest are two different things.
Immigration status is not usually part of any arrest inquiry done by police. Status may come up during plea bargaining in front of a judge (certain crimes can make one deportable and the accused need to know all of the potential ramifications to pleading guilty) and by prison officials once incarceration is deemed necessary.
Yes, but what you are saying is something very different too - you are saying that you think cops would only do this for "big" crimes, right? (am I interpreting you correctly?) My point is, the way the law is written, they don't have a choice. If there is an arrest - regardless of what the arrest is for - they have to check immigration status and determine if the person is here legally or is a citizen. (at least under the current interpretation of the law.)
What time will you be back? I have another lively debate dying to be posted but I really want to work around your schedule:)
Thanks for the info, I wasn't aware of the particulars. It kinda sounds like its being done now, for serious crimes, which is part of the reason this AZ law was enacted in the first place right? To find a way to combat the increase in crime....
Well noted.
Tho how was I supposed to know without ever being told so, which I have today obviously on here? I have friends that are black and I dated a guy for two years that was Indian (middle eastern). DH has Native American and African American in his blood lines. But I have never been flamed, ever, about my use of words... until today. Which I feel horrible about. I've learned, now please lets move on...
ICE can be called in at any time by anybody (seriously, you can call on your neighbor if you want). Whether they have the resources to be able to respond is a different matter. Checking immigration status, as pp have stated, can be quite cumbersome for local police so that it takes resources that local departments often do not have especially for petty criminals. ICE generally focuses on major criminals (as I'm sure we would all agree is a good thing), so checking the immigration status of speeders and the like would probably not accomplish much anyway.
Don't you watch television? You obviously get on the internet. I can't believe you didn't know not to say that. You don't live in a bubble.
I live in border state. Do you have any idea how hard it is to keep those Rhode Islanders out?? I didn't think so.
::jumps in line to motorboat Neon's boobies::
I didn't want to flame you but again you have offended with your defense of I'm not a racist, my best friend is black.
In the case of the African American blood line in your husband's family, they most likely did not come to here, apply to be a citizen and were granted citizenship (in a rosy "Welcome to America" kind of way).
The initial attitude of "we came here and did it legally" was what was very shallow and narrow minded IMO. Add to that the fact that your husband has AA blood lines makes me not understand your position even more. And "I have black friends" is NEVER a good defense when you have used a term that is/can be construed as derogatory towards African Americans.
I'm in California, Los Angeles to be exact and I completely agree with Mer. I'm also a decendent of both Hispanic and Portuguese immigrants. Yes, my Portuguese ancestors had to come to mexico and cross over into El Paso, light skinned and green eyed. How the hell do you think they got here?
A better system needs to be put in place and it's not for the police to do. I also wanted to note that I have several neighbors and friends who are undocumented
. Majority of them work their ass of for the "american dream" and don't get into trouble, pay taxes (under a fake SSN), some brought from a young age and are waiting on the process.