Reasons not to circumcise your son

coltsfan_jen · July 2010

ames17:
Jillygirl78:
RivieraMaya05:
Honey please.
Just educating so no one regrets their decision.
I think we are all capable of educating ourselves.

This... Don't try to force your opinion down people's throats. Anyone can go to google and find information supporting all different kinds of opinions and beliefs.

BTW- my DH is circumcised and their is no problem in the sex department. That whole part of the article you copied and pasted is ridiculous.

monkeyqueen · July 2010

Ready2006:
Jillygirl78:

RivieraMaya05:
Honey please.

Just educating so no one regrets their decision.

Then why don't you also educate us on the recent peer-reviewed literature that discussed the benefits of circumcision from the epidemiological perspective in regards to STD transmission?

No? Not biased or full of loaded words enough for you?

Riiight.

There are good arguments either way, which is exactly why medical societies don't recommend either way--because there is indecision even within their own ranks. This is a personal decision for a family to make after researching proper sources--their pediatrician, reputable websites, etc. Not The Bump or some crazy on it.

Thank you! This is the most accurate post in this thread!! The benefits and risks are so evenly balanced, that circumcision is not recommended (or pushed) by health care professionals.....

This is one choice I feel strongly that it is truly "to each their own."

FrALaum · July 2010

brown_bride07:

Completely not an educated point but you should also think about what will happen when your uncircumcised son meets a little girlfriend. If my DH had not been- I probably would have screamed...sorry I know this point doesn't amount to much but in the midwest 93% of male babies are...and studies show women don't know how to handle uncircumcised men because its such a "foreign look".

GL with whatever your choice is. It is your choice.

Seriously, you have got to be kidding me?!? I just about died laughing when I read this.

stephanieroyer · July 2010

Jillygirl78:
Yules:
brown_bride07:

Completely not an educated point but you should also think about what will happen when your uncircumcised son meets a little girlfriend. If my DH had not been- I probably would have screamed...sorry I know this point doesn't amount to much but in the midwest 93% of male babies are...and studies show women don't know how to handle uncircumcised men because its such a "foreign look".

GL with whatever your choice is. It is your choice.

Oh my - how do I handle this foreign-looking object?! I think I should scream for help! If my son meets a a broad who's dumb enough to be afraid of something he was born with, then they probably don't belong together in the 1st place.

Very good point. I was madly in love with him until I realized he was still intact and now it's over.

PS-You shouldn't know if he's still intact or not until the honeymoon night!

honeymoon night? doesnt your siggie say "boyfriend and i are ttc" when did you and your "boyfriend" go on your honeymoon?

coltsfan_jen · July 2010

Juriva:

OP, I think your stance is pretty clear based on your sig, and that's good enough for me, so kudos on your convictions. If that's what you feel is right for you, great. But just because someone is going to circumcise their son does not make them a bad person or a bad parent and your little endeavor to "educate" people is nothing more than a thinly veiled attempt to shame them into your way of thinking.

The same goes for all this:

Natural birth vs. Medically assisted; Breastfeeding vs. Formulafeeding; Soothing vs. CIO; Circumcised vs. Uncircumcised

WOW.. Just read the siggy after you pointed it out.

OP, How about you take your scare tactics somewhere else. No need to come over here and open up a can of worms.

missymo · July 2010

Ready2006:
Jillygirl78:

RivieraMaya05:
Honey please.

Just educating so no one regrets their decision.

Then why don't you also educate us on the recent peer-reviewed literature that discussed the benefits of circumcision from the epidemiological perspective in regards to STD transmission?

No? Not biased or full of loaded words enough for you?

Riiight.

There are good arguments either way, which is exactly why medical societies don't recommend either way--because there is indecision even within their own ranks. This is a personal decision for a family to make after researching proper sources--their pediatrician, reputable websites, etc. Not The Bump or some crazy on it.

WOW! Calling someone crazy because they are not going to circ...wtf? If you don't agree with the opinions she has you are free to refute them - as you did. But I would say she is no more "crazy" then you. And I also think that The Bump is the PERFECT place for this discussion. Good Lord.

LauLauCC08 · July 2010

It is strange to me that this is such a big issue. We will circumcise our son, for cosmetic reasons, but also for non-cosmetic reasons such as cleanliness and reduced risk of UTI's. It is my personal opinion that an un-circumcised penis is rather hideous looking but that is just my opinion. To each their own!

Ready2006 · July 2010

missymo:
Ready2006:
Jillygirl78:

RivieraMaya05:
Honey please.

Just educating so no one regrets their decision.

Then why don't you also educate us on the recent peer-reviewed literature that discussed the benefits of circumcision from the epidemiological perspective in regards to STD transmission?

No? Not biased or full of loaded words enough for you?

Riiight.

There are good arguments either way, which is exactly why medical societies don't recommend either way--because there is indecision even within their own ranks. This is a personal decision for a family to make after researching proper sources--their pediatrician, reputable websites, etc. Not The Bump or some crazy on it.

WOW! Calling someone crazy because they are not going to circ...wtf? If you don't agree with the opinions she has you are free to refute them - as you did. But I would say she is no more "crazy" then you. And I also think that The Bump is the PERFECT place for this discussion. Good Lord.

Erm....reading comprehension skillz? You needz them.

I'm not calling her crazy because of her opinion. I'm calling her crazy BECAUSE SHE'S CRAZY. Read my posts in this thread. There are good arguments either way and it's a personal choice, and I (nor anyone else) has the right to be all high and mighty on a personal subject. She has no actual investment in this issue and she is lecturing women who are ACTUALLY faced with this decision for their babies that are ACTUALLY conceived and coming soon, and that can be stressful for some without quackery like OP is spouting off.

Not to mention, look at her number of posts. $100 says she's an AE anyways, just here to make us all pissy.

Juriva · July 2010

missymo:
Ready2006:
Jillygirl78:
Just educating so no one regrets their decision.

Then why don't you also educate us on the recent peer-reviewed literature that discussed the benefits of circumcision from the epidemiological perspective in regards to STD transmission?

No? Not biased or full of loaded words enough for you?

Riiight.

There are good arguments either way, which is exactly why medical societies don't recommend either way--because there is indecision even within their own ranks. This is a personal decision for a family to make after researching proper sources--their pediatrician, reputable websites, etc. Not The Bump or some crazy on it.

WOW! Calling someone crazy because they are not going to circ...wtf? If you don't agree with the opinions she has you are free to refute them - as you did. But I would say she is no more "crazy" then you. And I also think that The Bump is the PERFECT place for this discussion. Good Lord.

I don't think Ready was calling her a crazy because the OP is choosing not to circumcise. I think she was being called a crazy because of the way she decided to push her opinion.

Ready2006 · July 2010

Juriva:
missymo:
Ready2006:
Jillygirl78:
Just educating so no one regrets their decision.

Then why don't you also educate us on the recent peer-reviewed literature that discussed the benefits of circumcision from the epidemiological perspective in regards to STD transmission?

No? Not biased or full of loaded words enough for you?

Riiight.

There are good arguments either way, which is exactly why medical societies don't recommend either way--because there is indecision even within their own ranks. This is a personal decision for a family to make after researching proper sources--their pediatrician, reputable websites, etc. Not The Bump or some crazy on it.

WOW! Calling someone crazy because they are not going to circ...wtf? If you don't agree with the opinions she has you are free to refute them - as you did. But I would say she is no more "crazy" then you. And I also think that The Bump is the PERFECT place for this discussion. Good Lord.

I don't think Ready was calling her a crazy because the OP is choosing not to circumcise. I think she was being called a crazy because of the way she decided to push her opinion.

Exactly. Thank you.

McKenna04 · July 2010

This is obviously from a site that is biased.. if you want to post something compelling, try convincing us with a medical journal or something that at least sounds like its not a joke.

Yules · July 2010

LauLauCC08:
It is strange to me that this is such a big issue. We will circumcise our son, for cosmetic reasons, but also for non-cosmetic reasons such as cleanliness and reduced risk of UTI's. It is my personal opinion that an un-circumcised penis is rather hideous looking but that is just my opinion. To each their own!

I wonder what would happen to little girls if all men convinced themselves that our labia is rather hideous looking...and who needs those silly-looking hoods on our clits?! I mean they serve no more purpose then the foreskin and get torn during labor anyway ... right?

McKenna04 · July 2010

Honestly?? This is the website you used to try and convince us.. If I were a professor and you were a student writing a paper on this issue and I saw your sources.. you would get a big fat F. haha

https://infant-toddler-health.suite101.com/article.cfm/reasons_not_to_circumcise_your_baby

PubStar09 · July 2010

Get over yourself, OP.

caramia582 · July 2010

Jillygirl78:

angelnumber8:
You are not even pregnant. You shouldn't be pushing your opinions on anyone. We all research and decide what is right for our families. And formula is not poison.

I'm sorry you feel that I'm pushing opinions on anyone. I simply cut and paste information and put it on a board. And what does being pregnant have to do with anything?

And explain what these ingredients are please:
Baby Formula label, want a scare?

"Enzymatically hydrolyzed reduced minerals, whey protein concentrate, palm olein, soy, coconut, high-oleic safflower oils, lactose, maltodextrin, patoassium citrate, calcium phosphate, calcium chloride, salt, potassium chloride, magnesium chloride, ferrous sulfate, zinc sulfate, copper sulfate, manganese sulfate, potassium iodide, soy lecithin, mono and diglycerides, inositol, choline bitartrate
sodium ascorbate, alpha tocophyeryl acetate, naicinamide, calcum pantothenate, riboflavin, pyridoxine hydrochloride, thiamine mononitrate, folic acid, phylloquinone, biotin, vitamin D3, vitamin B12, t

Most of those ingredients are vitamins and minerals and are synthetic versions of what's already in breastmilk.

Faaar from poison. Just because an ingredient has a long name does not mean it's harmful!!

melzer14 · July 2010

stephanieroyer:
Jillygirl78:
Yules:
brown_bride07:

Completely not an educated point but you should also think about what will happen when your uncircumcised son meets a little girlfriend. If my DH had not been- I probably would have screamed...sorry I know this point doesn't amount to much but in the midwest 93% of male babies are...and studies show women don't know how to handle uncircumcised men because its such a "foreign look".

GL with whatever your choice is. It is your choice.

Oh my - how do I handle this foreign-looking object?! I think I should scream for help! If my son meets a a broad who's dumb enough to be afraid of something he was born with, then they probably don't belong together in the 1st place.

Very good point. I was madly in love with him until I realized he was still intact and now it's over.

PS-You shouldn't know if he's still intact or not until the honeymoon night!

honeymoon night? doesnt your siggie say "boyfriend and i are ttc" when did you and your "boyfriend" go on your honeymoon?

Yes Yes Yes

I was thinking the same thing....

drewiekc · July 2010

melzer14:
stephanieroyer:
Jillygirl78:
Yules:
brown_bride07:

Completely not an educated point but you should also think about what will happen when your uncircumcised son meets a little girlfriend. If my DH had not been- I probably would have screamed...sorry I know this point doesn't amount to much but in the midwest 93% of male babies are...and studies show women don't know how to handle uncircumcised men because its such a "foreign look".

GL with whatever your choice is. It is your choice.

Oh my - how do I handle this foreign-looking object?! I think I should scream for help! If my son meets a a broad who's dumb enough to be afraid of something he was born with, then they probably don't belong together in the 1st place.

Very good point. I was madly in love with him until I realized he was still intact and now it's over.

PS-You shouldn't know if he's still intact or not until the honeymoon night!

honeymoon night? doesnt your siggie say "boyfriend and i are ttc" when did you and your "boyfriend" go on your honeymoon?

I was thinking the same thing....

I was wondering why it took so long for someone to pick up on this!

Meh, probably just someone with multiple AEs who got them all confused.

PubStar09 · July 2010

Oh sweet jesus. She's not even KU. OP- go back to the TTC boards and try your trolling there.

Now I'm thinking this is complete MUD to get the board all worked up.

Ready2006 · July 2010

PubStar09:
Oh sweet jesus. She's not even KU. OP- go back to the TTC boards and try your trolling there.
Now I'm thinking this is complete MUD to get the board all worked up.

Ditto. Yes

Anonymi · July 2010

I've mostly just been lurking here cause I have way too much free time right now but I actually have taken college course on human sexuality taught by teachers that are still actively involved in the medical field and one of my teachers outright said, "Circumcision these days is mostly a personal decision because there are pros and cons for both circumcising and not circumcising." After hearing this in my class, I just decided that my husband can make the choice on whether our child is circumcised or not because I'm fairly neutral on the issue since I could see the benefits of going either way and it would probably matter more to my husband. But I do agree with a person above that you need to give some religious tolerance because while jews aren't getting circumcisions while still in the hospital, they do have their religious tradition to make their son clean to circumcise their son at 8 days old.

HBaylies · July 2010

I agree with everything in the origonal article post, however, people are so quick to pass judgements over anything and everything that I choose not to share my views on it unless asked. We will definitely not have the procedure done on our son.

starrkitten89 · July 2010

I just love how the siggy says FF=bottled poison.Those 'long words"in the ingredient list are mostly minerals...

amykins1283 · July 2010

Yules:
brown_bride07:
Completely not an educated point but you should also think about what will happen when your uncircumcised son meets a little girlfriend. If my DH had not been- I probably would have screamed...sorry I know this point doesn't amount to much but in the midwest 93% of male babies are...and studies show women don't know how to handle uncircumcised men because its such a "foreign look".

GL with whatever your choice is. It is your choice.
Oh my - how do I handle this foreign-looking object?! I think I should scream for help! If my son meets a a broad who's dumb enough to be afraid of something he was born with, then they probably don't belong together in the 1st place.

This.

Popping in from 0-3 because we got linked!

My DH isn't circumcised and obviously I did not run screaming from the room the first time I saw it. Frankly, it doesn't look that different from a circumcised penis to me, unless it's flaccid. Just has an extra little bit. Whatever. Our son isn't circumcised and we are happy with that decision! DH has always been clean and has never had an STD or a UTI or any of those other things.

Choosing whether or not to circumcise is a deeply personal choice. Don't let anyone tell you what you should or should not do. Make the decision that is best for your family. To the OP: if that means someone wants to have their baby circumcised then it's none of your business.

shimmerchik · July 2010

Ok, I am having a girl so I'm not thinking about the original topic here.

But I am quite bothered by the whole formula feeding = poison comment.

NOT EVERYONE CAN PHYSICALLY BREASTFEED! I had to have surgery that left me unable to do it, I have NO DUCTS. How dare someone hint that I would be "poisoning" my child because I am not physically able to breastfeed! It's all fine and dandy if you would like to comment on how you want to breastfeed your child...but to call formula poison??? That's just ignorant.

Seriously. Shame on OP. If you were in my shoes and were unable to breastfeed, would you stop TTC because you don't want to "poison" your child? So sad...

KelsoXOXO · July 2010

amykins1283:
Yules:
brown_bride07:
Completely not an educated point but you should also think about what will happen when your uncircumcised son meets a little girlfriend. If my DH had not been- I probably would have screamed...sorry I know this point doesn't amount to much but in the midwest 93% of male babies are...and studies show women don't know how to handle uncircumcised men because its such a "foreign look".
GL with whatever your choice is. It is your choice.
Oh my - how do I handle this foreign-looking object?! I think I should scream for help! If my son meets a a broad who's dumb enough to be afraid of something he was born with, then they probably don't belong together in the 1st place.
This.
Popping in from 0-3 because we got linked!
My DH isn't circumcised and obviously I did not run screaming from the room the first time I saw it. Frankly, it doesn't look that different from a circumcised penis to me, unless it's flaccid. Just has an extra little bit. Whatever. Our son isn't circumcised and we are happy with that decision! DH has always been clean and has never had an STD or a UTI or any of those other things.
Choosing whether or not to circumcise is a deeply personal choice. Don't let anyone tell you what you should or should not do. Make the decision that is best for your family. To the OP: if that means someone wants to have their baby circumcised then it's none of your business.

This. Your intention of "educating" people isn't gonna change their minds on a decision they've already made. "Oh...someone from TheBump said our decision to circumsize is wrong, we probably shouldn't do it!"....no that's not how things work. Good try though! And like many have said, formula is NOT poison. Let's see what you're saying if you ended up not producing enough breast milk..

lildevil968 · July 2010

OP- Your not even a Mother yet, so how do you know if BFing will work out for you? Your body could be like mine, and not produce a drop, then that poison in a can (in your words) would be necessary. I seriously fear for your child if you are truely pregnant!

Ivana_Stolichnaya · July 2010

Go back to your cave...don't make me have to hose you down.

paramedicmommy · July 2010

Just wanted to let you know that my son was circumsized and right now he is sleeping very contently on my chest after I just got done breastfeeding him! And for someone to so ignorantly point out all of these disadvantages for some families it is as simple as a religious decision. You should be more careful about the way you comment. And also even though I am an EBF I think your poison in a can comment is VERY immature. Some women cannot breastfeed for various reasons. You should not dog those who can't EBF like that. Formula fed babies go to Harvard too. I hope you do not teach your LO to be as narrow minded as you have portraited yourself to be.

FishNchips1 · July 2010

yeah who didn't know the troll would stirr up so much controversay... ( sp? )

::slowly backs out of post::

Jillygirl78 · July 2010

WHO SAID I DIDNT HAVE CHILDREN???

Jillygirl78 · July 2010

watch a video of a baby being circumcised and tell me that's natural. a baby who was safe in your womb for 9-10 months is strapped down to a hard piece of plastic, in a cold room, and no one is there to sooth him. Oh and here are studies explaining the long lasting effects.AND I WAS STATING MY OPINION. Researchers Demonstrate Traumatic Effects of CircumcisionA team of Canadian researchers produced new evidence that circumcision has long-lasting traumatic effects. An article published in the international medical journal The Lancet reported the effect of infant circumcision on pain response during subsequent routine vaccination. The researchers tested 87 infants at 4 months or 6 months of age. The boys who had been circumcised were more sensitive to pain than the uncircumcised boys. Differences between groups were significant regarding facial action, crying time, and assessments of pain.The authors believe that "neonatal circumcision may induce long-lasting changes in infant pain behavior because of alterations in the infant?s central neural processing of painful stimuli." They also write that "the long-term consequences of surgery done without anaesthesia are likely to include post-traumatic stress as well as pain. It is therefore possible that the greater vaccination response in the infants circumcised without anaesthesia may represent an infant analogue of a post-traumatic stress disorder triggered by a traumatic and painful event and re-experienced under similar circumstances of pain during vaccination."Taddio, A. et al., "Effect of Neonatal Circumcision on Pain Response during Subsequent Routine Vaccination," The Lancet 349 (1997): 599?603. Circumcision Study Halted Due to TraumaResearchers found circumcision so traumatic that they ended the study early rather than subject any more infants to the operation without anesthesia. Those infants circumcised without anesthesia experienced not only severe pain, but also an increased risk of choking and difficulty breathing. The findings were published in the Journal of the American Medical Association. Up to 96% of infants in some areas of the United States receive no anesthesia during circumcision. No anesthetic currently in use for circumcisions is effective during the most painful parts of the procedure.Lander, J. et al., "Comparison of Ring Block, Dorsal Penile Nerve Block, and Topical Anesthesia for Neonatal Circumcision," JAMA 278 (1997): 2157?2162. Circumcised Penis Requires More Care in Young BoysThe circumcised penis requires more care than the natural penis during the first three years of life, according to a report in the British Journal of Urology. The clinical findings of an American pediatrician showed that circumcised boys were significantly more likely to have skin adhesions, trapped debris, irritated urinary opening, and inflammation of the glans (head of the penis) than were boys with a foreskin. Furthermore, because there are large variations of appearance in circumcised boys, circumcision for cosmetic reasons should be discouraged.Van Howe, R., "Variability in Penile Appearance and Penile Findings: A Prospective Study," BJU 80 (1997): 776?782. Poll of Circumcised Men Reveals HarmA poll of circumcised men published in the British Journal of Urology describes adverse outcomes on men?s health and well-being. Findings showed wide-ranging physical, sexual, and psychological consequences. Some respondents reported prominent scarring and excessive skin loss. Sexual consequences included progressive loss of sensitivity and sexual dysfunction. Emotional distress followed the realization that they were missing a functioning part of their penis. Low-self esteem, resentment, avoidance of intimacy, and depression were also noted.Hammond, T., "A Preliminary Poll of Men Circumcised in Infancy or Childhood," BJU 83 (1999): suppl. 1: 85?92 Psychological Effects of Circumcision StudiedAn article titled "The Psychological Impact of Circumcision" reports that circumcision results in behavioral changes in infants and long-term unrecognized psychological effects on men. The piece reviews the medical literature on infants? responses to circumcision and concludes, "there is strong evidence that circumcision is overwhelmingly painful and traumatic." The article notes that infants exhibit behavioral changes after circumcision, and some men have strong feelings of anger, shame, distrust, and grief about having been circumcised. In addition, circumcision has been shown to disrupt the mother-infant bond, and some mothers report significant distress after allowing their son to be circumcised. Psychological factors perpetuate circumcision. According to the author, "defending circumcision requires minimizing or dismissing the harm and producing overstated medical claims about protection from future harm. The ongoing denial requires the acceptance of false beliefs and misunderstanding of facts. These psychological factors affect professionals, members of religious groups, and parents involved in the practice."Expressions from circumcised men are generally lacking because most circumcised men do not understand what circumcision is, emotional repression keeps feelings from awareness, or men may be aware of these feelings but afraid of disclosure.

coltsfan_jen · July 2010

Jillygirl78:
WHO SAID I DIDNT HAVE CHILDREN???

I just pulled up your bio, your interest=shopping your job=queen. Go back to being a queen and let this conversation die.

Jillygirl78 · July 2010

FishNchips1:
yeah who didn't know the troll would stirr up so much controversay... ( sp? )
::slowly backs out of post::

I know! It's great!

Jillygirl78 · July 2010

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sunny120 · July 2010

Juriva:

Just out of curiosity, why is it that people get so up in arms about the way that other people will parent their children? Why do people feel the need to proselytize about how one decision over another will inevitably kill your child?

OP, I think your stance is pretty clear based on your sig, and that's good enough for me, so kudos on your convictions. If that's what you feel is right for you, great. But just because someone is going to circumcise their son does not make them a bad person or a bad parent and your little endeavor to "educate" people is nothing more than a thinly veiled attempt to shame them into your way of thinking.

The same goes for all this:

Natural birth vs. Medically assisted; Breastfeeding vs. Formulafeeding; Soothing vs. CIO; Circumcised vs. Uncircumcised

etc etc etc etc etc etc

For fvck's sake, people. Your opinion is your opinion and I know you would demand respect for it. Others are entitled to do what they like, as well, without the fear of being badgered or shamed about it. I truly believe this is why La Leche League has such a bad reputation - the tendency to tell mothers who can't breastfeed that they are bad people. Same difference. According to this woman if you decide to have your son circumcised you're a bad person.

And what if the family is Jewish? Are you also intolerant of religion?

/endrant //resume badmood.exe

This is exactly what I was thinking. It's nobody's business...you do what you want, let me do what I want. Babies have survived a long time despite BF vs. FF, circ vs intact, etc. It's fine if you have your own views, but don't criticize others if they don't agree.

tiggergirl0325 · July 2010

Jillygirl78:
watch a video of a baby being circumcised and tell me that's natural. a baby who was safe in your womb for 9-10 months is strapped down to a hard piece of plastic, in a cold room, and no one is there to sooth him.

And then you can look to see how OLD that video is!! My DH was able to accompany my son. He was NOT strapped down and had a parent there to comfort him the whole time. AND there was not much need because he barely made a peep during the whole thing! (he did however pee on the pediatrician LOL)

Most of the horror stories and videos out there are horridly outdated and don't reflect how things are today.

jesssanchez · July 2010

everyone in mine and dh's family are circumsized, and i let dh make the decision because he is a man and knows the pros and cons..so we are doing it 2 weeks after the birth..i respect everyone's opinions, not one person is right or wrong..its a personal/family decision

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