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Jolaine83
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My OU: get your torches ready
Jolaine83
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I think reverse racism is as big of a problem as old fashioned racism.
I used to be one of those people that was so afraid of being seen as racist that I would refer to someone by the color of their shirt rather than their race. i.e., The employee at the service desk with the purple shirt instead of the black employee at the service desk.
Yet I've been accused of being racist for confusing the names of two black male coworkers I barely knew (the guys thought it was funny, it was a female employee who threatened to kick my a$$ if I did it again - I was 16, she was 21.) I've been cut out of programs because I'm as exotic as swiss cheese. And I've been called racial slurs by classmates of others races because I was an easy target.
Historic bit of insight for this situation: you know the Germans, the ones who followed Hitler into one of the worst examples of racism in world history? They were victims of intolerance for hundreds of years, their country was divided up over and over again and they were left with no sense of national identity and no pride. Hitler empowered them and they decided to "fight back". And we all know which side will forever be remembered as "evil".
I'm sorry if you've been a victim of racism, but if you are fighting back with the same attitude, you are part of the problem. Love who you are, accept others for who they are and hope that others follow your example.
*off my soap box* - this was inspired by the post about FB below
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Re: My OU: get your torches ready
I completely agree with you, OP.
Also, I don't believe in "reverse racism" racist is racist no matter the skin color of the person making the comment.
My only problem with this is that its crap to call it REVERSE RACISM. Whats reverse about it? Racism is racism, period.
Good point. It's sad I had to clarify.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5P6UU6m3cqk
ya'll crack me up
... I'm sorry but I can't even torch cuckoo
I'm not saying its not a problem, but you are crazy if you think its as common and as bad as "traditional" racism.
Definitely not as common. And considering the history of "traditional" racism, not as bad either. Still just as wrong though.
Okay, my son loved that but was there a point? You want us to know that you are laughing at us? Why not give us constructive insight, instead? I'm assuming you are looking at this from a different POV if it's that funny to you.
I never said it wasn't. But the OP said its just as big of a problem. Thats crazy.
wasn't arguing with you, I was agreeing! lol. man, we differ in opinion so much we just assume it now!
I never said it was as common. I just said it's as much a part of the problem. I imagine it's more common in other places than Iowa. Yet, I've still had experiences with it. I still think racism is a big problem too, but reversal racism is unable to be talked about in the same way as normal racism which just perpetuates the problem.
Ladies, you don't have to agree with me, but I figured I'd put it out there. I had judging no matter where it's aimed.
I honestly didn't associate you with someone I always disagree with so I promise I didn't think that. I just misread what you wrote. I apologize.
I don't mean to be rude ... but honestly, that was my first reaction ... I really appologize for coming across in an ugly way ... but I just ... wow ... I have taught multicultural counseling courses at a large university for some time to undergraduate and masters psychology students ... I recently left my position as a tenure track faculty member and now a SAHM. I just ... yeah ...
Again, sorry for coming across that way ... it was coming from a place of "wow" ... but that's it ... carry on ...
Where did I say it was as common? Any why does uncommon = not part of the problem?
Guess I'm just crazy then...wanting people to be treated fairly for who they are, no matter their skin color. Oh, and even crazier for realizing that it goes both ways. Call the loony bin!
You said its "as big of a problem." I never said its not part of the problem. But you said its AS BIG of a problem. If you mispoke, and simply meant it is also a problem, then thats a different story.
And stop being so melodramatic. (your last paragraph)
Okay, no biggie. The video was cute though! I'm saving it to try to get DS out of tantrums. I'm hoping the sound of another baby giggling with work.
But I am honestly interested in your opinion. You come from a different POV. I didn't post this to start a war, just a discussion. If I'm wrong somewhere, point it out! You might convince me otherwise.
The "empowered" was meant with sarcasm. They felt empowered and didn't realize they were being indoctrinated. They'd been under the power of others for so many years that they followed him without much of a fight and believed every lie he told them.
Thank you.
Other than that, I see where you are coming from OP.
As big of a problem =/= as common.
And I figured if you thought I was crazy, I'd live up to it. It was tongue in cheek. I'm not exactly foaming at the mouth here. If I was, then you'd have good reason to call.
I have experienced this "reverse" racism. If a black person says a something derogatory toward me simply because I am white, that it racism. It doesn't just go white-to-black (or anything else, just speaking from my personal experiences). But for some reason it is socially acceptable in this form, but if I were to retaliate (I am not racist, just saying) I would be called out immediately.
As for the whole Hitler scenario you said, not sure I totally get that perspective.
what the heck do you think "as big of a problem" means? It doesn't mean "as bad," which is how you seem to be using it. It does, in fact, go towards prevelence.
I can't speak for mitchelltheojua, but I can see why she laughed. I mean, I kinda, sorta get where you're trying to come from, but it just seems ridiculous to consider what you're describing as on the same level with systematic oppression, abuse, degradation and just flat-out evil directed towards people just because of who they can't even help being. If for no other reason than "reverse racism" is just too doggone new to be compared to the centuries of the traditional kind.
But I'm not mad, I get what you're saying. Wrong is wrong. But I see why it gets a chuckle from folks like mitchell and myself.
You are defending Hitler and complaining of how white people are victims of racism in the same post?
I really have no words.
If your point is that racism is wrong and that people of all races can be racist - well okay, that's true.
But I also agree completely with MW - you ca experience discrimination or prejudice but for you to cry that this is just as much of a problem as "real" racism......eh, I don't agree with that. It's not.
Also, really, can you explain the Hitler reference? I understand the origins of Nazism and World War II but I'm not sure that it relates to your point.
True, but then I heard a very wise person say (unfortunately, can't remember who) that ignoring a persons race was as silly as ignoring a handicapped person wheelchair.
Not saying that race = that wheel chair, but that they are both things that are there and shouldn't be ignored. They are European, African, Asian, Mexican, etc. It's part of who they are. The trick is to not judge them for that but to recognize it and realize that it's merely part of their identity, not the whole of it.
And I would say the white person behind the service desk if they were a minority and thus an easy way to quickly identify the person. Nobody should be afraid of what color they are or what color anyone else is. It's a fact, not a judgment forced upon them. (The only exception is in cases where you call a latino a hispanic, etc. - then you are assuming their heirtage.)
To your bolded point - I don't think there is anything wrong with using an identifying feature of a person. I think it's OK to say "the black employee at the desk" when you are differentiating between that employee and the three other, for instance, white employees behind the same desk. If you are using it as an indetifyer when one is not needed (if the employee is the only one at the desk) then I definitely give it a side eye.
My take is that the incidence, severity, and consequence of discrimination against white people is so infinitesimally small in comparison to the incidence, severity and consequences of discrimination against black people as to hardly be worth mentioning. Seriously. Black people are more likely to experience discrimination mutliple times in a single day, whereas a white person can probably count on one hand (or even finger) the number of times they have been discriminated against in a lifetime.
But I am sure that 10 people are going to come out of the woodwork and tell me how they have suffered at the hands of affirmative action, etc. And my UO is that I don't buy it.
I am a runner, knitter, scientist, DE-IVF veteran, and stage III colon cancer survivor.
No one is saying pretend they aren't X. You are missing the point.
So if you were to meet my husband, you'd think of him as that "one legged guy?"
Read it again. I was not defending Hitler. Dear God. I was saying that he took advantage of a minority and turned them into a racist majority. And few remember they were ever a minority to begin with.
this is one of the most obnoxious post's I have ever seen...congratulations
Great points. The only thing I would point out is that the definition you provided for racism isn't the same for everyone. Meaning, some people define racism as treating someone in a derogatory manner simply because of the color of their skin, or hating them for the same reason. In that sense, what she's saying is valid.
In your definition, which is also very valid and used by many, her post loses its teeth because, as you said, she comes from a historically priviledged position as a white woman.
If I didn't know him and didn't get to know him, I'd probably remember that physical trait that stands out. But I think the point is that you are supposed to see beyond the physical. If I got to know him, I'd be a lot more likely to remember him by personality traits instead of by physical traits.
That's my point in response to that specific post. Pretending the physical doesn't exist is illogical. It's all about realizing the physical is not the important part of the person.
No, I don't think you're being fair. I didn't read her post as defending HItler at all.
right. But again you are missing the point. NO ONE is saying tha tyou should pretend the physical doesn't exist.
That was a lot more eloquent than how I said it, but basically, this.
I am not suggesting that one should ignore another's race. I just think that there are times when it is pointed out unnecessarily. Another example was when a friend of mine was describing a nightmare she had in which "a black dude was pounding on the window of the car trying to get in to kill her." Had the man in the dream been white, she would have just said, "a man was trying to kill her", not "some white dude was banging on the window of the car."
I still don't understand what Hitler has to do with this, especially b/c that's not what you said to begin with....you said something to the effect of "and we all know who will forever be remembered as 'evil.'" Yup, they will be forever remembered as evil. Why were the quotes necessary? The implication in your statement was that they SHOULDN'T be remembered as evil.......
Also, in your scenario - who are the Germans and who are the Jews? Do you think black people in America are going to rise up and oppress white people? That's a serious question - b/c that's kind of the only thing I can gather from the Hitler/Germany references.
I guess my definition of racism is different. But does that mean that if I'm treated differently because I'm white, it's not racist because I'm white?
I'm not putting this out there to say woe is me. I wouldn't have even provided examples, but I thought it would help illustrate what I was saying. I definitely don't equate my experiences with the atrocities others have had to endure.
And she would be respecting him because she is acknowledging his handicap, but not judging him...according to her argument.
I think I kinda agree with this, but not fully. I don't think it means it can't be mentioned because it wasn't "as bad" as what black people have endured. They should not be compared, no. I agree with that. But it doesn't mean it can't be a point of discussion and upset people, of any color.