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kcrouse06
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Don't agree...
kcrouse06
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with Obama.
He has taken away bonuses for re-ups. He lowered the pay increase percentage by almost half of what it was last year and previous years. He has said horrible things about the military in the past and every military member I personally know dislikes him and his thinking.
I realize this is probably going to be hugely commented on or hugely ignored. I never mean to start drama, but I saw a post from a couple of days ago that someone posted a quote Obama said about military spouses. That's the one nice thing I've heard him say about the military, and I expect it will be the last.
I do not care for him at all, and I won't ever care for him or his thinking. I do not care for the things he has done for this country, and feel he is doing the USA a real disservice by trying this universal health care crap. Canada and France have that, and people who are actually really sick, are waiting to be seen by a doctor for several months. The health care he is trying and is pushing on America is not going to be good at all.
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Re: Don't agree...
Not sure if it's possible for me to disagree more with everything in that post. That's all I have to say on that, though.
I will add, that I hate always feeling ostracized for being a die-hard liberal in the military world, though. It gets pretty lonely sometimes. (Not that you've done that in any way, I've just had some AWFUL experiences with other wives saying things to me for being liberal)
*Walking away from thread*
I already hate myself for not walking away like I said I would. However, if he hates the military so much, how do you explain all that he is doing to bolster the programs the military SO badly needs? For example:
- For military family support: $8.8 billion in funding (a 3%
increase). This money is allocated to counseling and support of both
active-duty and reserve-component families.
- Defense Department medical program: $30.9 bilion (5.8%
increase). ?$669 million would be devoted to treatment for
traumatic brain injury and other mental health issues, while $250
million would go to fund continued research on mental health issues
among service members.? according to the Military Times article.
- Military child care service availability: $1.36 billion. This
number is up $87 million over the 2010 budget. Funding will go
towards maintaining the high level of care and youth activity programs.
- Counseling and assistance services: $1.9 billion to expand
availability, up $37 million from the previous year.
- Spouse career and education programs: $84 million to programs,
tuition assistance and internship programs. This is up $12
million from 2010.
I for one, would much rather have some of DH's bonus go to these programs than our pocket, but maybe that's just me.OP, it appears you are extremely ignorant. Nothing you said is an Obama issue. We don't need reenlistment bonuses because people are reenlisting without them. The raise we got this year is directly in line with inflation.
Go read a book or do some Googling.
That would explain why my unit no longer gets ammo for ranges. We are down to one day at the range per year. We have to use paintball guns or no weapons at all for training excercises. BTW, I have to bring my own paintball gun and paintball ammo for those excercises.
I'm not a fan of his politics, but that's the beautiful thing about this country. I have the freedom to agree or disagree. I'm not going to go so far as to say I hate him. He's my boss and my H's boss. I respect the position he holds, his willingness to help our families and that he is trying to do what he believes is the right thing.
So, you would rather there not be treatment for TBI?
I'm sorry but I disagree with your post.
Universal health care is also in many other countries besides France and Canada. And people who are sick do not wait months and months for care.
Obama is your husband's boss.
There are still reenlistment bonuses. They were not taken away across the board.
Please do research before you put ignorant, untrue statements on the internet about our President and your husband's Commander in Chief.
Did I type that? I don't believe I did. I have a very good friend who is currently in treatment at the TBI center in Tampa. He is making amazing improvements because of the treatment he receives there. I am beyond greatfull for that.
However, I would rather be able to properly train my soldiers than allow so many spouses free college. I would rather know that my soldiers have the best training available to them when I take them into a war zone with me than improve the quality of the gym on post. I would rather know that my unit and my H's unit have the best equiptment out there before the crap starts flying around us than know that you got a brand new CDC when you already got one 4 years ago.
Ignoring whatever facts the OP is using to support her argument, a soldier can dislike the president. I don't always like my boss but that doesn't make me a bad employee or effect my performance. Soldiers are allowed to have political opinions opposite to their boss, they just need to remember that the President is still the Commander in Chief and follow his directive while on duty.
The government pays for your healthcare and your husband's healthcare. Just FYI. I can't understand why anybody familiar with military healthcare would object to universal healthcare. Privatized healthcare is ridiculous. I would much rather have my healthcare mandated by the government whose primary concern is the people, than an insurance company whose only concern is profit. France and Canada and the many many other countries with universal healthcare have much better healthcare than that which is available in this country.
I know. I didn't say she couldn't. I'm pointing out the fact that he is her husband's boss. I thought that since she is so ignorant that this little fact needed to be pointed out to her. In no way does the bold sentence say she can't or her husband can't have an opinion.
I still don't see the relevance though.
How is what the OP said not an Obama issue? It is his proposals. The raise for 2010 was given by Congress. Obama recommended a lower rate and Congress bumped it up to 3.4%. For 2011, Obama is proposing 1.4% for military raises. That is to match civilian federal employees. Maybe that is okay with you but to me it is unfair. Civilian federal employees do not deploy they do not go to war and the military should get a better raise than the civilian federal employees.
Why is she ignorant? Not agreeing with his politics doesn't make someone ignorant.
Ok, I don't like Obama either, but Alot of the issues that are popping up now, is not really his fault..
https://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37028501/ns/politics-washington_post
read that article and take a look at whats really happening..
The Coast Guard already been hit hard by budget cuts, but that's not Obama's fault, that's the fact the higher ups decided they want to spend money on things not needed and ignore the fact that the older boats are falling apart...(anyway Not touching that anymore)
But that article goes into the budget cuts the DoD is going to go through..
You may think private healthcare is ridiculous, I think government run healthcare is ridiculous. The government bankrupted social security and medicare but they are magically going to make healthcare work. It isn't logical.
Yes, other countries do have healthcare. England is one of them. Some friends of ours lost their son because the medicine/treatment he needed was not available in England because it was deemed to expensive by the government. He died before he could get to this country and get the treatment. Want to ask them how much they like government healthcare?
Making statements that are untrue makes you either ignorant of the truth or a liar.
IMHO she posted this for drama.
Ummm re-up bonuses have been gone for a while unless you're in a cricital MOS, Mission Essential Unitor have a special skill identifier. The pay increase is lower than normal b/c of the economy. I don't blame him one bit, we're lucky to get a raise at all TBH.
BTW it was me that posted the quote from Obama. I've never heard him trash talk the military.
I consider myself to be a moderate conservative. Do I think budget cuts are needed? Hell yes! They need to cut spending in every department, including the military. I'd rather see my husband get the best body armor than a 5%-7% pay raise. I'd gladly give up an increase in the GI bill if that meant the soldiers and sailors were given more training and well maintained equipment.
I may be incorrect, but I don't think Obama voted as a Senator to go to war. With that being said, I don't think he's cutting the military spending because he doesn't like or support service members, it just needs to be done with the trillion dollar defiect we're facing. The higher ups in the military need to realize they don't have an unlimited cash flow anymore and start redirecting the money to where it is needed most (body armor, equipment) and take it away from the perks of military life (a nice gym on post, etc). There needs to be belt tightening across the board and the Obama administration needs to enforce this and start micromanaging department budgets a bit more.
I'm not an active duty spouse but I think service members should be required to pay a small percentage of their health care like the majority of the nation does. Maybe 1-2% or make it a sliding scale based on rank and cap it at 5%.
If you are going to make such broad statements I would love to see some legitimate sources.
I would also LOVE to see the direct quotes from Obama "talking trash about the military." Could you provide those for us???
And FYI, Defense Secretary Gates made a speech on May 8th asking for cuts in the defense departments spending. From his speech:
"In each instance we must ask: First, is this respectful of the American taxpayer at a time of economic and fiscal duress?" he said. "And second, is this activity or arrangement the best use of limited dollars, given the pressing needs to take care of our people, win the wars we are in, and invest in the capabilities necessary to deal with the most likely and lethal future threats?"
https://www.army.mil/-news/2010/05/10/38816-gates-calls-for-significant-cuts-in-defense-overhead/
"It is not a great mystery what needs to change. What it takes is the political will and willingness, as Eisenhower possessed, to make hard choices - choices that will displease powerful people both inside the Pentagon and out."
Um. Actually, bonuses for re-enlisting are gone because every branch in the military is overmanned. They don't *need* to pay someone more money to sign when they can get them in for free. They're not giving 90k bonuses to grunts because the field is manned 110%. They don't need any incentives to join or stay.
Every president, including Republicans, proposes a lower raise then congress votes for a higher one. It happens every year.
"So if you decide to date the guy from Applebees instead will your new SN be "mypearlshisapron?" Your new sig can be "putting the ho in nachos.""- DNBeach12
Okay...I'll throw in my two cents:
There will always be something wrong and something right with EVERY President...but he is one man. Let's go back to 8th grade government lessons. There is this thing called 'checks and balances'. That is where we have many pieces of government that check on each other and make sure things are done "right" (haha). The bottom line is that we do not have a dictatorship...one person cannot change everything.
Please don't misread this as me being a fan of Obama, I am not but I will not voice the reasons here as this thread already has enough steam.
Stan is a lucky nestie!
And for every story you want to throw out about one example of a tragedy in government run health care, there's at least one, if not more, with private insurance.
Also, I don't know about you guys, but when I refer to SO's CO, I call him Colonel So and So. Not simply his last name. And I refer to the President as such, and did with the last President too.
*dances*
I am only going to comment about the universal health care..
The current plan I don't agree with.. but I am mostly mad at everyone who was against it and change it from what Obama original wanted.
I don't think you, OP have to worry about anything because the current plan is still putting insurance companies in power and is in nowhere in comparison to the health care plans in France and Canada. It isn't a single-payer health care.. which is really a shame because that is what I believe is really better for our country.
From your comments.. it doesn't seem you really know much about the health care plan. It is one of the topics I have been following and know both sides of for the past three years. If you could be more specific in why you are against the healthcare plans in Canada/France and have valid reasons to support our current health care system.. I would like to know them. As for right now.. I don't see how you could be against a system you don't really know much about.
"He lowered the pay increase percentage by almost half of what it was last year and previous years."
Actually his recommendation was in-line with increase recommendations from previous years. Once the president makes the recommendation, Congress has the authority to increase that number and chose to do just that five out of the past six years. This year, they chose to not add on to the recommended increase. Obama did not lower the number.
I could just envision the OP stomping her foot and crossing her arms when I am read this statement.
I realize the bonuses weren't taken away completely, but he wants them to be gone. I know he is DH's boss...but that doesn't mean he or I have to like him or his politics.
I'm not putting ignorant untrue statements about him on the internet.
Where did I say you had to like him?
Please post evidence of him saying negative things about the military.
Please read PP and you will see where what you said was untrue.
Obama is not the reason bonuses are gone. The reason bonuses are gone is because the military is overmanned. Bonuses are intended to be just that, a bonus, an incentive to join. They don't need those incentives when people are lining up to join and re-enlist.
"So if you decide to date the guy from Applebees instead will your new SN be "mypearlshisapron?" Your new sig can be "putting the ho in nachos.""- DNBeach12
Obama =/= Congress
That seems to be a point of confusion in this thread.
You mean, things like you shouldn't be allowed to be in the military if you're a Democrat? Yup, we've heard that one. DH is a Navy officer and I refer to him as the most liberal person in the military.
Ok then I'll ask once again, can you provide quotes from a legitimate source where President Obama is "he has said horrible things about the military."
I hadn't planned on getting in this post, but I was wondering this too. I'd love to see some legit quotes where President Obama said horrible things.
Operations in Iraq and Afghanistan and the war on terrorism have reduced the pace of military transformation and have revealed our lack of preparation for defensive and stability operations. This Administration has overextended our military.
Barack Obama
There are patriots who opposed the war in Iraq and there are patriots who supported the war in Iraq. We are one people, all of us pledging allegiance to the stars and stripes, all of us defending the United States of America.
Barack Obama
We cannot continue to rely only on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we've set. We've got to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded.
Barack Obama
This budget tells our veterans that if they want increased funding for the VA they'll have to pay for it themselves.
Barack Obama
To ensure prosperity here at home and peace abroad, we all share the belief we have to maintain the strongest military on the planet.
Barack Obama
December 2008.
These are all the quotes that I can find from President Obama concerning the military.
I wish the OP would post what she's referring to.
Some of these quotes are little bits and pieces from speeches and when read alone can be taken totally out of context.