Ashley0616

ABMcKinney · October 2008

Your post regarding the baby sign was very rude. It's not something that people do just because it's "neat". They do it because it lessens the frustration that children feel when they cannot yet speak. It has also been proven to help children speak sooner because they do not feel the pressure to learn how to talk. Your post was ignorant and showed that this subject is not something you have done a lot of/if any research on. To be honest, most of your posts imply that you don't do a lot of research.

milfy1 · October 2008

:::coming in::

The woman quotes Sarah Palin in her siggie! What do you expect? (sarcastic giggles).

Soter1 · October 2008

thank you ABM, couldn't have said it better myself...

Summerly2 · October 2008

Cracking up. And posting only to say that I am indeed one of the nosy lurkers who opened this post Embarrassed

ashley0616 · October 2008

It did come off a bit rude, didn't it? Sorry about that, really. It's been one of those days I suppose.

As for researching, no I haven't done any. I actually am not one of those people that researches every little thing before I make a decision. I know what's best for my kid and I go with it. Like I said, signing (and a lot of other things) are great for some families, just not ours. And I'm entitled to that, and and any other, opinion.

Momma_S · October 2008

Ditto. It is not meant to replace spoken words!

iHeartJoe · October 2008

I was a bit irritated with how it came off too. But sorry you're not having such a great day, hope it gets better!

ABMcKinney · October 2008

That's not an opinion, it's ignorance. You don't know anything about it, so you don't know if it's best for your child/family. And please don't brag that you don't take the time to research things regarding your child. It makes you look like an idiot.

MrsGo4Hockeychick · October 2008

I must say that my nephew does sign, and has had a bigger vocabulary than his pedi expects since he began talking. At his 15 month appointment, he knew almost 20 words. (FWIW, the average for an 18 month baby is 5 words).

ashley0616 · October 2008

*Sigh* I don't need to do research to know certain things: that co sleeping and signing aren't for us, that I want to make my own baby food, how to feed/bathe/clothe/teach my child, or how to be a parent. I've got great references in my mother and grandmother, as well as instincts I rely on. We're doing it our way, and I reiterate, it's OK because it's what's best for my family and it does not affect you. I apologized for being short earlier, that's all I can do about that.

And as a side note, who are you to call me uneducated, ignorant, etc? You don't know me or my situation. If you can't come up with a better defense, don't resort to namecallingl. It makes you look like you have nothing better to say, and I've read your posts and know you do.

ABMcKinney · October 2008

I certainly didn't name call, but by basic definition your opinion was uneducated and ignorant. You were not just "short" earlier, you implied, very clearly, that people who chose to use sign language with their babies were delaying speech. Again, you cannot make the decision that something isn't "right" for you or your family if you do not even know what it is or what it entails. That, my dear, is the definition of ignorance.

Also, you're right. I don't technically know you or your situation, even though you post about it and AW yourself all the time.

Breezy.Lives · October 2008

Ignorance = lack of knowledge

I haven't even read your comments, Ashley, but if you admit you've done no research then ABM is right - you are, by definition, ignorant.

Here, I'm not making it up.

I don't understand how you can say you do no research and know what's best for your family. I'm a big fan of instinct - HUGE fan of instinct. But I'm not going to knock people's choices if I don't even know what choice they've made.

FWIW - I saw people knock EC pretty hard without even looking into what it actually is and what benefits it can have for a baby and child. I thought it was freaking weird when I first heard of it, but I'm actually about to read a book on it because I've seen and heard so many positive outcomes from using it.

See - I admit I was ignorant on the topic and judged because of my ignorance...

Also - can I get a link to where this shiznit went down?

MrsGo4Hockeychick · October 2008

https://community.thenestbaby.com/cs/ks/forums/thread/3594946.aspx

if that doesn't work, it's the thread titled baby signs.

CreamPuff06 · October 2008

https://community.thenestbaby.com/cs/ks/forums/thread/3594946.aspx

This might be a clickable link...

Breezy.Lives · October 2008

Thanks! I can see how she says "it came off bad," but her explanation in this thread came off worse...

ashley0616 · October 2008

I didn't intend to imply that signing delays speech development, and I apologized for the comments I made. I just said that I'd like to teach Olivia to speak and skip signing. Which, again, does not affect you or the people who do chose to teach sign. I don't need to research it to know I don't want to do it. Just like I didn't research giving birth at home before I chose not to do it, or dropping acid. The definition of ignorance is not "doing nothing without researching it thourghouly." This is a ridiculous argument and I am obviously not going to get thru to you so you win. OK? Great.

And, correction, I AW my kid, not my self. She's pretty damned cute so I brag about her as much as the next parent. Are you going to verbally attack every woman on this board who posts pictures of their kids or brags about their accomplishments? I don't think so.

ABMcKinney · October 2008

Are you kidding? This is a stupid argument, because you cannot possibly know that something is wrong for you and your family if you have no idea what it is. Again, you do/say things like this a lot and you come across as being very ignorant. I think we all want to teach our kids how to speak, but there are a good deal of us who would like for our children to be able to communicate before they are able to speak. It makes life easier on them. It amazes me that you would so casually dismiss something that could better your child and make life easier on her just because your pitiful instinct tells you "it's not right for your family". Just like you didn't research feeding a child solids before you started your 6 week old on them, and how you judge others for delaying vaccinations because you don't.

And please, don't think I am flaming you because you don't want to do baby signing. I am flaming you because you constantly judge others without knowing what's really going on.

The definition of AWing isn't simply bragging about your child. It includes doing things just for attention Wink

lvisser · October 2008

I didn't think her post was rude.

and I agree with "Sigh* I don't need to do research to know certain things: that co sleeping and signing aren't for us, that I want to make my own baby food, how to feed/bathe/clothe/teach my child, or how to be a parent."

It did NO research to know that cosleeping would not be for us. In my gut I knew it would not be. Like Ashley, I just KNOW that certain things are not for us.

ashley0616 · October 2008

There was so much wrong with that response it?s going to take me a minute to respond.

1. The idea that I don?t know what signing is, or the benefits of it. I do, thankyouverymuch, know what the benefits are. As I noted, I nannied a boy who signed before he spoke and we communicated that way and it worked for them. I realized through nannying him that it wasn?t something I wanted to do.

2. Instinct is not pitiful. It?s something that?s ingrained in us as mothers to take care of our children and do right by them. Which I am.

3. Olivia was 11 weeks old when we started putting cereal in her bottle, with the advise and monitoring of our pediatrician. She was eating too much formula, was in a high percentile for height and weight, and needed more. No matter what information about that I give out here, I always preface it with we discussed it with our pedi and came to a decision together that was right for our situation, which is an exception. Back.the.fuuck.off.that.

4. The vaccines thing, yes I?ll admit I?m passionate about that and sometimes get a little judgemental. I try not to, and I?m really trying to be better about it. That?s something I?ve spent a lot of time around and researching (yes, one thing we did research extensively). Plus I work at a pedi?s office so I see both sides a lot, and have a very firm opinion. But you?re right, that?s something I really need to work on.

5. I don?t do shiit just for attention. Not for myself. I, like many others on this board, use it as a place to vent, discuss marital and parenting issues, and talk about kids, politics, life in general. Say I?m impulsive, abrasive, and loud, (those are true statements) but don?t say I?m doing things for attentnion. Thanks.

And lvisser, thanks. Nothing else needs to be said there. )

ABMcKinney · October 2008

You are a piece of work. That is NOT what your original post implied at all. Nor the posts that have followed. I also didn't say that you didn't know what signing is- quit reading into things just for the sake of controversy. All along I have simply been pointing out that YOU said that signing wouldn't work for your family and you wanted to just go ahead and teach your DD how to talk. It was derogatory towards those who would like to give our children a chance to eliminate some frustration by teaching them to communicate.

Re: starting solids- I have asked you about that before, and you said that your PEDI recommended putting the cereal into the bottle (which is crazy- most pedi's wouldn't recommend that) BUT that you and your DH decided to just go ahead and start other foods on your own. In that post you also said that you started a little earlier than 11 weeks. When your DD develops allergies because of your uninformed decision, go ahead and send yourself a thank you card. Oh- and don't bother saying that you researched this, because you specifically told me that you decided to do this after looking at your baby book and realizing that your mother started you really early.

The way you stated "I'm not one of those people that has to research every little thing" was just ridiculous. It implied that you think that there is something wrong with those of us who actually care enough to research. Yes, I research almost every little thing that concerns my child and there is nothing wrong with that.

I wouldn't say that you are impulsive, abrasive or loud, I would just sum it all up and say that you're annoying.

lvisser · October 2008

Serisously, i could reasearch the hell out of cosleeping, or signing and still would know that its not for us.

And honestly, her saying that signing is "neat" i am sure was not meant to be rude. I would probably find that signing is "neat" too. I get that its benficial, but it really is neat too.

ashley0616 · October 2008

"Are you kidding? This is a stupid argument, because you cannot possibly know that something is wrong for you and your family if you have no idea what it is."

ABMcKinney · October 2008

You are completely missing the point, but that's okay. I kind of expected it.

ashley0616 · October 2008

Are you kidding? This is a stupid argument, because you cannot possibly know that something is wrong for you and your family if you have no idea what it is.

I'm sorry did I misread that?

And wow I NEVER said this: because you specifically told me that you decided to do this after looking at your baby book and realizing that your mother started you really early. I don't have a baby book, my mom was 17 when she had me and didn't have time, so that's a moot point.

You're wrong, flat out, about the solids thing. Since I actually lived it, I think I have intimate knowledge about when my kid started food. Our pedi is old school, one of the reasons we chose him, and he rec'd putting cereal in the bottle at 11 weeks. At 13 weeks we started the spoon because she hated her cereal bottles, 14 weeks bananas per pedi to help constipation, got the OK from there to go ahrad with the rest of the first foods. STFU about it. She's healthy, happy, allergy-free, and most importantly NOT YOUR KID. So really, what do you care what we do, when we do it, or how?

I know you'd love the last word, so go ahead and insult my parenting/intelligence/personality again...

lvisser · October 2008

She's healthy, happy, allergy-free, and most importantly NOT YOUR KID.

I just think it should be noted again.

Oh, and my baby is all of the above things as well, and we started solids at 4 months.

ABMcKinney · October 2008

lvisser, this is not your argument, and I never said anything about your child. Why would you think it necessary for you to tell me that? I don't think there is anything wrong with starting solids at 4 months- neither do most experts. Please go find something else to do.

Ashley- I'm glad your child is allergy free. FOR NOW- If you did your research you would know that children that are fed solids early are more likely to develop allergies LATER IN LIFE. This really isn't about your child in the first place- it's about your ignorance. And believe me, I don't need the last word as I know that mine is the more intelligent word.

ashley0616 · October 2008

For you lvisser: Drinks

I hate that the stupid flower is wilty, otherwise you would have gotten a flower. Freaking new emoticons are useless, even when we want to use them!

lvisser · October 2008

Touche and whatever. I kinda find it funny that YOU think you know when SHE fed her kid solids. Stick to you own kid... its what your good at.

Breezy.Lives · October 2008

I'm seriously LMAO at this entire argument.

Who knew Baby Sign was so controversial?

Ashley - have fun teaching you 6-8 month old to speak vocally. Yes LMAO

ABMcKinney · October 2008

Breezy- I've been giggling my butt off every time I read her replies. It's just an easy bait!

Visser- She TOLD me when she started feeding her kid solids. I didn't pull it out of my make-believe hat.

Ashley- Nevermind. I just don't have anything else to say that would get through your thick skull.

MrsTotty · October 2008

I can't believe I missed this ... sorry McKinney.

Sometimes it just isn't worth the arguement. I wish I could insert a 'brick wall' icon here ...

Summerly2 · October 2008

Breezy: LOL!

I'm not even going to tell you when my DS finally got around to talking. Suffice it to say, he was a late talker. Evaluated by EI and everything. He did not qualify, but was found to be on par with kids 9+ months older in terms of comprehension, he just didn't want to talk. Now? He talks my ear off Stick out tongue LOL

At any rate, my point is, there was a LOT of frustration (on both his part and ours) b/c he couldn't communicate with us for so long.

Lots of advantages to signing. And no clear disadvantages that I am aware of.

Breezy.Lives · October 2008

I only started signing "milk" to DS last week and he will already calms down when I make the sign as I unhook my bra and whatnot.

I am already at wit's end with the screaming frustration over not being able to get around the way he wants. Now he's pulling up and basically climbing things and people to get to what/where he wants.

Anything to lessen his frustration and mine right now. Anything!

How's the tooth coming, Summerly????

Temp174496125006552 · October 2008

Seriously, Breezy. Who knew Baby Signing was the new CIO? lol.

Up until this post, I had never even considered teaching Ben sign language. It just wasn't on my radar. Now, I'm contemplating it. I think it's awesome that he could possibly communicate with us earlier.

ABM~ how are you going about starting this with Robbie?

Totty, I hear you. I seriously wish there was a brick wall emoticon. It would come in handy.

Summerly2 · October 2008

Breezy: No such luck

She is doing a smidge better though. Now pretend I didn't say that b/c I don't need the jinx, k? Wink

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