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Can I start a possibly controversial conversation?
So they have they have all these studies out now stating that the all the shots and everything babies get when they are infants what they believe to increase health issues such as autism. So now some parents arn't getting their babies shots until they get older right before they HAVE to have them to get into school. I am just wondering on what every's stance is...
DH doesn't want to get her shots until she gets a little older but I don't really know how I feel about it. I guess I need to really research it more but just kind of curious what everyone else though.
I am sure this is going to be one of those topics where people are going to feel strong one way or another, not trying to start drama just curious.
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Re: Can I start a possibly controversial conversation?
DD1 born 5/24/10.
Missed M/C at 14 wks Feb 2012.
DD2 born 5/14/13.
Missed M/C at 9 wks July 2015.
when it comes to shots i believe it should be whatever the parents deside. Its recommended for obvious reasons but none the less every shot that is given has a risk. thats why the risks are always mentioned. I got it done to my little girl with no issues but there is that small chance of it effecting other children in a neg. way.
I understand that some people have religious reasons for not vaccinating & I respect that. What I don't understand is why people would knowingly put their children at risk for deadly diseases that these vacines put at bay 100 years ago. IMO the "studies" that show the links between these vaccinations and Autism are inconclusive at best.
Thanks for the controversial subjest, this should be interesting!
Let the Debate begin!
You'll get a better reaction if you remove the "vaccines cause autism." They've been proven over an over again not to cause autism and the one major study that "proved" vaccines cause autism was pulled because of faulty research.
ETA for clarity.
It's not autism that concerns me. As a matter of fact they've recently recalled that study. What concerns me is the fact that little ones get SO many more shots now than they did when I was little and some of them... not for any real good reason.
For example, Hep A... the reasearch I've done says if a healthy child contracts it the illness is typically a mild stomache bug, and once contracted they recover w/ future immunity. People who receive the vax can still contract Hep A... so that's not full proof.
Hep B... I don't have it, and don't see my infant in a situation where they'll be having unprotected sex or using used needles. That's another I could take or leave at birth.
Chicken Pox... this we will not get until DS and twins are going to school. I'd really rather them get the pox on their own that way they are fully immune as adults. There is controversy as to if that vax provides the same protection.
There are so many shots we give children that they don't need for school and aren't really protecting them from things that are even around now. So many are questionable in their effectiveness as well. I could actually go on but I think it's important that everyone do their own research and come to conclusions that are comfortable to them.
(To clarify, DS is almost fully vaxed... he hasn't received chicken pox, MMR, or Hep A) We are skipping Hep A as of now and chicken pox he'll get when he goes to school since he won't be in a day care setting before that. MMR we are getting next week. We are just running late on the 18 mth WBV. He did get Hep B even though I thought it was rediculous to get already.
This!
there is no medical link to autism and vaccines, this has been proven over and over.
my children will be vaccinated but we may do a delayed vaccination schedule, just meaning you spread out the vaccinations over more time. i haven't done enough research yet to make a decision.
I agree with this and will likely do the same - will not do large number of different shots at once, will want them spaced out. My mom is a MA (basically the fake "nurse" at the Dr. office - rooms patients, does shots and assists with some procedures, etc.) She has done a ton of research on vaccines b/c my step-dad's family doesn't vaccinate for religious purposes and she is very much against that. We also live the the Pacific NW which has a higher prevalence of Autism than the rest of the nation - based on everything she has researched she highly recommends spacing the shots out and not letting your Dr. bully you into doing them all at once.
This.
no, there aren't. there was one peer-reviewed study in the 90s in the lancet, which has since been retracted because the doctor was completely unethical in his methods.
please don't fall for the hype.
i don't usually cite dailykos, but this article is very well written and the citations are excellent.
"The doctor who sparked the scare over the safety of the MMR vaccine for children, Andrew Wakefield, acted "dishonestly and irresponsibly" with his research and had "callous disregard" for the children involved in his study according to the UK's General Medical Council.
About a decade ago, Wakefield published a study of autistic children developing symptoms shortly after being vaccinated with the MMR vaccine, and linked this with irritated intestinal tracts. This study was heavily criticized, and eventually most of the authors retracted the conclusion that autism was associated with vaccinations. Moreover, there are allegations Wakefield faked his data, and had serious conflicts of interest.
By the time most of this came to light, it was too late, and the modern anti-vaccination movement was born. In its wake are sick children."
https://www.dailykos.com/story/2010/1/30/832251/-Anti-Vaccine-Doctor-Acted-Unethically
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I haven't read all the replies - so, this could be a repost - but, they just came out with a study that disproves the autism links...on CNN...
Hep B is fecal-oral (not blood-borne like Hep C), so the concern is that children will have traces of feces on their hands (hands in diapers, etc) and then put their contaminated hands in their mouths. I agree that it's not totally necessary, as we didn't get that vaccine as children, but I wanted to clear up the transmission method of the disease.
THIS!!!!
We are doing selective and delayed.
I am vaccine injured. my last childhood vaccination nearly killed me (dT) resulting in a medical flight and within days my mitochondrial disease was completely set off starting frequent hospitalizations. since then, I have spent a total of over 2.5 years in the hospital dealing with failure of multiple organs.
I'm considering it a public service to do selective and delayed. There is a HIGH genetic risk that this could happen to my child. Knowing this, I think I'd be an idiot of a parent for risking that my child deal with the same risk as me. The result? YOUR TAX DOLLARS would end up providing her with life-long care...
My friends son had a bad reaction to Hep B at birth that also has mitochondrial disease - he stopped breathing for 40 minutes and has autism, mental retardation and is cortically blind. Of course his life-long care is being provided by tax dollars now...
Mitochondrial Disease is typically fatal in childhood - about 80% of kids with childhood onset due by age 20 (I've been lucky). A lot of us have had vaccine reactions due to having a metabolic disease - in some cases, both parents were NOT carriers meaning the disease was spontaneous in that individual - something environmental likely set it off... Mitochondrial Dysfunction is also found in 7-20% of autistic kids which may explain why a select handful of kids regress after vaccines or other chemical exposure. They damage the mitochondria (oxidative stress) and mitochondrial dysfunction can play out as the underlying cause of MANY diseases - autism, alzheimers, parkinsons, ALS, diabetes, huntingtons, and other neurodegenerative diseases.
I'm not stopping with vaccine issues. I'm being cautious of food and other environmental triggers that pose similar risk. Whats the point of not vaccinating because of "mercury in vaccines" when you turn around and feed your kid HFCS crap - studies have shown up to 30% of High Fructose Corn Syrup also contains mercury...
Also, my partner's upper arm has a huge scar from a reaction between having 2 vaccines in one day. The live viruses in them caused a severe reaction leaving the skin looking "melted." I think vaccines need to be spaced out better.
I think people forget that like any pharmaceuticals that vaccines ARE a drug. And any drug poses risks for drug reactions or even fatal reactions... I've had several life threatening and RARE reactions to other pharmaceuticals. A friend of mine died after taking Wellbutrin to quit smoking. It caused a seizure, and that seizure killed her. Wellbutrin was taken off the market in 1986 because of high-rate of this side effect, but the FDA deemed that the drug benefited more people then it harmed, and released it back onto the market WITH more warnings.
With any pharmaceutical, there are benefits and there are risks and the benefits vs the riske need to be weighed. It's a personal decision only YOU can make!!!
I think being informed about these risks are key to make a decision right for YOUR family!!!
Some people will be higher risk for reactions than others, and at the same time others are immune-compromised and would be higher risk for serious complications (including death) if there was an outbreak of some of these diseases. I think consumers should be aware of the "benefits" and the risks of any drug or vaccine and should have a right to an informed choice.
I do recommend reading Dr Sears book: The Vaccine Book: Making the Right Decision for Your Child for more (reliable) info on benefits & risks of various vaccines and the diseases they are for...
Sears, coauthor of several books in the Sears Parenting series, addresses one of today's most controversial and worrisome questions. Sears' goal is "to give you a balanced look at pros and cons of vaccination so that you can make an educated decision." Sears does not advocate for or rail against vaccination, stating it doesn't have to be an all or nothing decision-there are choices. The first 12 chapters discuss each vaccination in the childhood series, providing explanation of the relative disease, how the vaccine is made and points to assess a child's at-risk level when considering if the vaccine is necessary. Sears does offer guidance for those who are indecisive, offering his opinion based on clinical experience and 13 years of research taken from product inserts, pediatric reference books, articles and databases. Additional chapters illuminate more controversial aspects of the debate, such as how vaccine safety is researched and what the findings are, side effects and how to minimize them, common myths and questions. As always, Sears' tone puts readers at ease as he clearly explains medical terms and elucidates debates.
I will jump in on my own post ---
First thank you ladies I have actually learned a lot, I didn't know they 'recalled' the study about autism.
The other thing about Hep B. When my mom was born she had a really bad hip, by the time she was 5 she had already had two hip replacements. She ended up getting Hep B through some of the blood during one of the surgeries. I know this is totaly random and they are a lot more carefull with stuff like that now but just thought I would share.
I knew that we are going to get some vax. but I think we are going to end up just doing the delayed schedule.
This and that "research" is crap. The original authors have recanted. Do some more research instead of just listening to what "everyone" is saying.
https://www.researchautism.net/newsitem.ikml?ra=3951
I think it's irresponsible to expose your child and others to diseases that could be prevented.
I took this when I was a teenager for mood swings and depression (my mom called them my happy pills - nice right?) and it really messed with my thyroid and made me really sick. The doc never related it to my thyroid and just started me on thyroid meds. (I was 14). I eventually stopped taking the wellbutrin and felt WAY better and my thyroid levels got better but I still took the meds up until about a year ago when I wanted to see what my levels were like with out and it they were just barely in the normal range. Now that I am PG my TSH levels are better than they have ever been. That wellbutrin is the devil! If I only would have known. I can't relate it 100% that it caused some of my thryod problems but my TSH levels were normal before I started taking it.
I took this when I was a teenager for mood swings and depression (my mom called them my happy pills - nice right?) and it really messed with my thyroid and made me really sick. The doc never related it to my thyroid and just started me on thyroid meds. (I was 14). I eventually stopped taking the wellbutrin and felt WAY better and my thyroid levels got better but I still took the meds up until about a year ago when I wanted to see what my levels were like with out and it they were just barely in the normal range. Now that I am PG my TSH levels are better than they have ever been. That wellbutrin is the devil! If I only would have known. I can't relate it 100% that it caused some of my thryod problems but my TSH levels were normal before I started taking it.
"I think people forget that like any pharmaceuticals that vaccines ARE a drug. And any drug poses risks for drug reactions or even fatal reactions... I've had several life threatening and RARE reactions to other pharmaceuticals. A friend of mine died after taking Wellbutrin to quit smoking. It caused a seizure, and that seizure killed her. Wellbutrin was taken off the market in 1986 because of high-rate of this side effect, but the FDA deemed that the drug benefited more people then it harmed, and released it back onto the market WITH more warnings"
I took Wellbutrin for almost 9 years and had no problems...I only went off because I wanted to TTC...
I'm only doing the ones I did as a kid.
MMR, Polio, and Tetanus.
All the other ones are superfluous in my opinion.
Incorrect!!!
Vaccines did NOT wipe out many of these diseases - check stats on them since the 1800s and pay attention to exactly WHEN vaccines were introduced. They nearly always were introduced when diseases were dying out on their own. here's a few charts - I had these exact charts in my text book for Health Sociology.
Also, some diseases have been "creatively renamed." Take Polio for instance. Instead of referring to strains of Polio as "polio" we have alternatives... chronic fatigue syndrome/ME, aseptic meningitis, Guillaine Barre Syndrome (which has actually been a associated WITH vaccines), and others. We are hiding what was once all lumped as polio under other labels so people go on believing that polio has been wiped out... also, people can contract Polio FROM the vaccine. There have been multiple cases of this - including a guy that goes to my rehab hospital that contracted it from changing his daughters diaper after she was vaccinated and excreted the virus in her diaper... Yes, he won in vaccine court as have several others.
Kids have had all vaccines on a delayed schedule, including the chicken pox (god I would never want her to get them as bad as I did) and Hep B.
I'm late to this post but the medical journal Lancet that initially publish the seminal study on the finding that vaccines cause autism just recently rescinded the study because it has been discredited and the author found to have acted unethically and dishonestly.
Everyone else that claims vaccines cause autism is talking out of their ass and uses this now discredited study as their foundation.
*delurks*
The autism study was disproven. Well, it didn't really have any proof anyway, Jenny McCarthy just created a lot of hype = freaked out parents.
Like a pp, I consider it a public duty. I don't want my child to get sick with a preventable disease just because someone else thinks that a vaccine might (strange example I saw on first tri) lower the IQ by 3 points.
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earthycrunchymama, you are making some good points, but i don't think you're adequately addressing the risk this choice poses to others. right now, there is an outbreak in new jersey of mumps, that came from england, a country with a lot of fear of vaccines (and the country where the lancet study was originally published). choosing not to get a vaccine might be good in the short term for some children, but it also puts everyone else's child at risk if they do get sick.
"By 15 months old, Flint's daughter, Julieanna Metcalf, was walking, exploring and even saying her first few words. Then one day in the bath, while fighting what seemed like an ordinary stomach bug, Julieanna became so weak and floppy that she couldn't hold up her head...
Flint rushed the baby to the hospital, where she was diagnosed with meningitis, a swelling of the lining of the brain, caused by a severe case of Hib, or Haemophilus influenzae type b. Julieanna was one of five children in Minnesota hospitalized with Hib in January 2008, the state's biggest outbreak since 1992.
Three of the other Minnesota children hospitalized for Hib were unvaccinated, including one who died, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
Experts worry that such outbreaks ? along with mumps outbreaks on the East Coast and more than two dozen measles outbreaks around the country in 2008 ? represent cracks in the country's protection against terrifying childhood diseases that were once virtually eradicated...
That worries moms such as Flint, who learned that her daughter has a rare immune deficiency only after she contracted Hib. Because Julieanna doesn't respond to vaccines, she depends on other parents to keep germs out of circulation by vaccinating their kids, a phenomenon called "herd immunity.""
https://www.usatoday.com/news/health/2010-01-06-childhoodvaccines06_CV_N.htm
it is of course, your choice to vaccinate or not, but your choice might have consequences for all the people around you. my mother's cousin is developmentally disabled because his mother caught rubella during her pregnancy. that disease is relatively mild for most kids, but it used to make pregnant women live in fear.
https://www.marchofdimes.com/professionals/14332_1225.asp
You're kidding me! What business is it of theirs? ESPECIALLY since PA allows religious or philosophical exemptions? Sorry, as I've said, we're almost completely on track and will give all the truly required ones eventually - but this just FLOORS me!
I take it now. And I took it for about 4 years starting in 2003. When it was re-released they adjusted (lowered) the dosing. So, they didn't just release it without making changes. The instances of seizure have been greatly reduced.