Guys seriously, vaccines are scary!

DR&RN04 · September 2009

The shot is WAY worse, than say, polio:

Signs and symptoms, which generally last two to 10 days, include:

Fever
Sore throat
Headache
Vomiting
Fatigue
Back pain or stiffness
Neck pain or stiffness
Pain or stiffness in the arms or legs
Muscle spasms or tenderness
Meningitis

Paralytic polio
Fewer than 1 percent of people infected with poliovirus develop paralytic polio, the most serious form of the disease. Initial signs and symptoms of paralytic polio, such as fever and headache, often mimic those of nonparalytic polio. Between one and 10 days later however, signs and symptoms specific to paralytic polio appear, including:

Loss of reflexes
Severe muscle aches or spasms
Loose and floppy limbs (acute flaccid paralysis), often worse on one side of the body

The onset of paralysis may be sudden.

Classifications of paralytic polio
...

Spinal polio. This most common form of paralytic polio attacks certain nerve cells (motor neurons) in your spinal cord and may cause paralysis of the muscles that control breathing and those in your arms and legs. Sometimes the neurons are only damaged, in which case you may recover some degree of muscle function. But if the neurons are completely destroyed, the paralysis is irreversible, although you still retain your sense of feeling, unlike after many spinal cord injuries.
Bulbar polio. In this severe type of polio, the virus affects the motor neurons in your brainstem, where the centers of the cranial nerves are located. These nerves are involved in your ability to see, hear, smell, taste and swallow. They also affect the movement of muscles in your face and send signals to your heart, intestines and lungs. Bulbar polio can interfere with any of these functions but is especially likely to affect your ability to breathe, speak and swallow and can be fatal without respiratory support.
Bulbospinal polio. A combination of both bulbar and spinal paralytic polio, this form can lead to paralysis of your arms and legs and may also affect breathing, swallowing and heart function.

Post-polio syndrome
Affecting some people who have recovered from polio, post-polio syndrome is a cluster of disabling signs and symptoms that appears decades ? an average of 30 to 40 years ? after the initial illness. Common signs and symptoms include:

Progressive muscle or joint weakness and pain
General fatigue and exhaustion after minimal activity
Muscle atrophy
Breathing or swallowing problems
Sleep-related breathing disorders, such as sleep apnea
Decreased tolerance of cold temperatures

That's from the Mayo clinic, btw. But that might not be as legitimate of a resource as a mom's internet research from her kitchen.

renebean319 · September 2009

those aren't THAT bad, i'll risk it.

Confused

NDwife07 · September 2009

Honestly, I really think it's up to the parents to do their own research. I know it's a public message board and you can post what you want, but I don't believe this is the place to try to sway others.

That's not to say I don't agree with you, but still. Just my .02.

Mrs_mam · September 2009

I'll take my chances on the vaccine, in fact I did this morning and I have no worries.

kklickka · September 2009

Don't you think the chance that LO might have 2-10 days of fever, vomiting, etc. is slightly better than the potential that they might get polio and become paralyzed for life - however small that potential is? I'll take my chances.

saj&jaj · September 2009

The paralytic reactions were to the old vaccine which was a live-virus liquid by mouth and taken off the US market in the early 2000s. Now only the injected, inactivated which form is used which does not have a paralytic reaction.

jonsdeedee · September 2009

and how many people have had that side effect last years vs the number of people who died or were paralyzed each year before the vaccine?

Squishycheeks · September 2009

Unfortunately I have personally met more people who have had an adverse reaction from a vaccine than I have met that have polio.

kklickka · September 2009

fredalina:
Yes, polio is very scary, which is why you give the vaccine!

If the polio vaccine caused more polio than, say, the disease itself, we would have seen a huge increase in polio when they started giving the vaccine, not practically dropping off the face of the earth in the last 100 years like it has.

But hey, if enough people decide to skip the vax, the disease will come back with a vengeance. Good plan.

That's just logic, though. Not an internet search.

Yes

DR&RN04 · September 2009

Squishycheeks:
Unfortunately I have personally met more people who have had an adverse reaction from a vaccine than I have met that have polio.

This could be because people in this country have been vaccinated for polio, and don't ACTUALLY GET THE DISEASE ANYMORE.

Come on, think this through...

NewLerma · September 2009

Thank you for all your wisdom, you can step off your soap box now! I'm sure people who were even considering not doing vaccines read that, I personally am not one of them so I don't appreciate you coming on here trying to scare new young mothers into doing what YOU think is right.

Squishycheeks · September 2009

DR&RN04:
Squishycheeks:

Unfortunately I have personally met more people who have had an adverse reaction from a vaccine than I have met that have polio.

This could be because people in this country have been vaccinated for polio, and don't ACTUALLY GET THE DISEASE ANYMORE.

Come on, think this through...

The number of people affected by polio had been declining many years before the vaccine was ever administered.

Stellasmom · September 2009

fredalina:

Yes, polio is very scary, which is why you give the vaccine!

If the polio vaccine caused more polio than, say, the disease itself, we would have seen a huge increase in polio when they started giving the vaccine, not practically dropping off the face of the earth in the last 100 years like it has.

But hey, if enough people decide to skip the vax, the disease will come back with a vengeance. Good plan.

That's just logic, though. Not an internet search.

I think you missed her sarcasm.

kaylenpar1 · September 2009

I think it's up to us as mothers at a kitchen table to decide. Kthankssomuch.

**Gretchen** · September 2009

Squishycheeks:
Unfortunately I have personally met more people who have had an adverse reaction from a vaccine than I have met that have polio.

This is 100% NOT unfortunate. This is very fortunate. It means that the vaccine is working and we DON'T have to worry about Polio.

This is of course unless idiot parents stop vaccinating, then we'll start seeing polio again.

July_2009 · September 2009

DR&RN04:
The shot is WAY worse, than say, polio:
Signs and symptoms, which generally last two to 10 days, include:
Fever
Sore throat
Headache
Vomiting
Fatigue
Back pain or stiffness
Neck pain or stiffness
Pain or stiffness in the arms or legs
Muscle spasms or tenderness
Meningitis
Paralytic polio
Fewer than 1 percent of people infected with poliovirus developparalytic polio, the most serious form of the disease. Initial signsand symptoms of paralytic polio, such as fever and headache, oftenmimic those of nonparalytic polio. Between one and 10 days laterhowever, signs and symptoms specific to paralytic polio appear,including:
Loss of reflexes
Severe muscle aches or spasms
Loose and floppy limbs (acute flaccid paralysis), often worse on one side of the body
The onset of paralysis may be sudden.
Classifications of paralytic polio
...
Spinal polio. This most common form of paralyticpolio attacks certain nerve cells (motor neurons) in your spinal cordand may cause paralysis of the muscles that control breathing and thosein your arms and legs. Sometimes the neurons are only damaged, in whichcase you may recover some degree of muscle function. But if the neuronsare completely destroyed, the paralysis is irreversible, although youstill retain your sense of feeling, unlike after many spinal cordinjuries.
Bulbar polio. In this severe type of polio, thevirus affects the motor neurons in your brainstem, where the centers ofthe cranial nerves are located. These nerves are involved in yourability to see, hear, smell, taste and swallow. They also affect themovement of muscles in your face and send signals to your heart,intestines and lungs. Bulbar polio can interfere with any of thesefunctions but is especially likely to affect your ability to breathe,speak and swallow and can be fatal without respiratory support.
Bulbospinal polio. A combination of both bulbarand spinal paralytic polio, this form can lead to paralysis of yourarms and legs and may also affect breathing, swallowing and heartfunction.
Post-polio syndrome
Affecting some people who have recovered from polio, post-poliosyndrome is a cluster of disabling signs and symptoms that appearsdecades ? an average of 30 to 40 years ? after the initial illness.Common signs and symptoms include:
Progressive muscle or joint weakness and pain
General fatigue and exhaustion after minimal activity
Muscle atrophy
Breathing or swallowing problems
Sleep-related breathing disorders, such as sleep apnea
Decreased tolerance of cold temperatures

That's from the Mayo clinic, btw. But that might not be as legitimate of a resource as a mom's internet research from her kitchen.

Jeez...just now I was talking to my sister about Polio. I am from India and have seen this disease rear its ugly face to many there. I am going to vaccinate my LO on a standard schedule since we travel back to India every year. Period.

DR&RN04 · September 2009

NewLerma:
Thank you for all your wisdom, you can step off your soap box now! I'm sure people who were even considering not doing vaccines read that, I personally am not one of them so I don't appreciate you coming on here trying to scare new young mothers into doing what YOU think is right.

This isn't just my opinion. It's that of the American Academy of Pediatrics, CDC, World Health Organization, and countless other public health organizations.

You know just a bunch of crazies, really.

NewLerma · September 2009

Sarcastic or serious?

c_joy · September 2009

Squishycheeks:

Unfortunately I have personally met more people who have had an adverse reaction from a vaccine than I have met that have polio.

I know more people who have gotten seatbelt burn than have flown through their windshields in a car crash.

Derr...

Mrs_mam · September 2009

Squishycheeks:

Unfortunately I have personally met more people who have had an adverse reaction from a vaccine than I have met that have polio.

Were they paralyzed as a result from the vaccine they reacted to?

mrs.larry · September 2009

Squishycheeks:
Unfortunately I have personally met more people who have had an adverse reaction from a vaccine than I have met that have polio.

that's because everyone's been vaccinated for the last several decades. why do people think these diseases are so rare now?

DR&RN04 · September 2009

NewLerma:
Sarcastic or serious?

I think people who don't vaccinate at all are taking very dangerous risks with their child's health, and am 100% pro-vaccination. Does that clear things up? : )

kklickka · September 2009

c_joy:
Squishycheeks:

Unfortunately I have personally met more people who have had an adverse reaction from a vaccine than I have met that have polio.

I know more people who have gotten seatbelt burn than have flown through their windshields in a car crash.

Derr...

Bwahahahaha

Squishycheeks · September 2009

Since no one wants to acknowledge the fact that polio had been on the decline many years before the vaccine was created and administered, at least consider this:

Those in our country who are fighting against the vaccines administered to our children are driven by personal impact. They are the mothers and fathers of children who have suffered adverse reactions.

Those in our country who push vaccines are primarily motivated by money. ( I say primarily because I don't believe in conspiracy theories.) The drug companies that produce the vaccines that we give to our children pocket millions upon millions of dollars doing so.

NewLerma · September 2009

DR&RN04:
NewLerma:
Sarcastic or serious?
I think people who don't vaccinate at all are taking very dangerous risks with their child's health, and am 100% pro-vaccination. Does that clear things up? : )

Thank you, I'm not just a sleep deprived new mother I've got two others that drain my brain Wink

sprice88 · September 2009

I know someone w/ polio....I'm getting DD the vaccines. IMO-crazy not to

VAannie · September 2009

Uh, people are Confused. First is a list of side effects from immunizations, then there are descriptions and symptoms of two different types of polio. Different things. Not related.

Except that if you immunize your LO, their chances of contracting those two types of polio are greatly reduced.

cdschadenfroh · September 2009

Hmmm... maybe I'll ask my MIL what she thinks, considering she had Polio as a kid. Her left foot is bigger then her right so she has to buy 2 pairs of the same shoe in different sizes. I wonder what she would say, if she would rather have her grand daughter be vaccinated or run the risk of only having one good working leg...

ToledoDeux · September 2009

Squishycheeks:

Since no one wants to acknowledge the fact that polio had been on the decline many years before the vaccine was created and administered, at least consider this:

I'll acknowledge it when you provide a source. The only sources I could find on that are anti-vaccine sites. However, I did find this from Time Magazine (I know, not a sci journal, but a much better primary source than The Green Parent or the World Chiropractic Alliance, who parroted your claim) from 1957:

Monday, Aug. 12, 1957

Medicine: Polio Decline

Polio is declining sharply in most of the U.S. for the second year, with abundant evidence that much of the improvement is due to the Salk vaccine. Four months of the "disease year" (since the number of cases reached its annual low around April 1) have passed, and indications are that fewer than 1,900 cases will be reported for the period. This is just half the 3,800 in the same period last year, and less than one-third of the 1951-56 average tally. So far this year no area has reported a major epidemic comparable to Chicago's last year, which was raging by mid-July. Only six states report minor increases.

Most remarkable to U.S. Public Health Service officials is the decline in paralytic as compared with nonparalytic cases. At this time last year, half of all cases were listed as paralytic, one-third as nonparalytic. This year fewer than one-third are paralytic, about half nonparalytic (the rest are unspecified). The overall decline in polio might reflect in part a natural ebb of the disease, but the relative drop in paralytic cases is almost certainly attributable to vaccination.

Even so, only 20 million Americans have so far received the recommended three doses of Salk vaccine, Surgeon General Leroy Burney reported; 48 million others have had one or two shots. Though vaccine is again in brisk demand and short supply, Dr. Burney urged community health officials to plan now for mass inoculation, as soon as vaccine becomes available, of 41 million citizens under 40 who have had no shots at all.

https://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,825287,00.html

HeyyRed · September 2009

DR&RN04:
The shot is WAY worse, than say, polio:
Signs and symptoms, which generally last two to 10 days, include:
Fever
Sore throat
Headache
Vomiting
Fatigue
Back pain or stiffness
Neck pain or stiffness
Pain or stiffness in the arms or legs
Muscle spasms or tenderness
Meningitis
Paralytic polio
Fewer than 1 percent of people infected with poliovirus developparalytic polio, the most serious form of the disease. Initial signsand symptoms of paralytic polio, such as fever and headache, oftenmimic those of nonparalytic polio. Between one and 10 days laterhowever, signs and symptoms specific to paralytic polio appear,including:
Loss of reflexes
Severe muscle aches or spasms
Loose and floppy limbs (acute flaccid paralysis), often worse on one side of the body
The onset of paralysis may be sudden.
Classifications of paralytic polio
...
Spinal polio. This most common form of paralyticpolio attacks certain nerve cells (motor neurons) in your spinal cordand may cause paralysis of the muscles that control breathing and thosein your arms and legs. Sometimes the neurons are only damaged, in whichcase you may recover some degree of muscle function. But if the neuronsare completely destroyed, the paralysis is irreversible, although youstill retain your sense of feeling, unlike after many spinal cordinjuries.
Bulbar polio. In this severe type of polio, thevirus affects the motor neurons in your brainstem, where the centers ofthe cranial nerves are located. These nerves are involved in yourability to see, hear, smell, taste and swallow. They also affect themovement of muscles in your face and send signals to your heart,intestines and lungs. Bulbar polio can interfere with any of thesefunctions but is especially likely to affect your ability to breathe,speak and swallow and can be fatal without respiratory support.
Bulbospinal polio. A combination of both bulbarand spinal paralytic polio, this form can lead to paralysis of yourarms and legs and may also affect breathing, swallowing and heartfunction.
Post-polio syndrome
Affecting some people who have recovered from polio, post-poliosyndrome is a cluster of disabling signs and symptoms that appearsdecades ? an average of 30 to 40 years ? after the initial illness.Common signs and symptoms include:
Progressive muscle or joint weakness and pain
General fatigue and exhaustion after minimal activity
Muscle atrophy
Breathing or swallowing problems
Sleep-related breathing disorders, such as sleep apnea
Decreased tolerance of cold temperatures
?
That's from the Mayo clinic, btw.? But that might not be as legitimate of a resource as a mom's internet research from her kitchen.
?

The shot is worse than polio?

Child Services should strip you of your parental rights stat. ?You are clearly an idiot. ?Ban me if ?you must but I have an aunt who had polio as a child and has suffered horrible disfigurement as a result.?

ToledoDeux · September 2009

HeyyRed:
The shot is worse than polio?
Child Services should strip you of your parental rights stat. You are clearly an idiot. Ban me if you must but I have an aunt who had polio as a child and has suffered horrible disfigurement as a result.

You missed the sarcasm. As did others.

HeyyRed · September 2009

They said small pox was gone and then it returned...

VAannie · September 2009

Squishycheeks:
Since no one wants to acknowledge the fact that polio had been on the decline many years before the vaccine was created and administered, at least consider this:
Those in our country who are fighting against the vaccines administered to our children are driven by personal impact. They are the mothers and fathers of children who have suffered adverse reactions.
Those in our country who push vaccines are primarily motivated by money. ( I say primarily because I don't believe in conspiracy theories.) The drug companies that produce the vaccines that we give to our children pocket millions upon millions of dollars doing so.

People like you scare the hell out of me.

DR&RN04 · September 2009

Squishycheeks:
Since no one wants to acknowledge the fact that polio had been on the decline many years before the vaccine was created and administered, at least consider this:

Those in our country who are fighting against the vaccines administered to our children are driven by personal impact. They are the mothers and fathers of children who have suffered adverse reactions.

Those in our country who push vaccines are primarily motivated by money. ( I say primarily because I don't believe in conspiracy theories.) The drug companies that produce the vaccines that we give to our children pocket millions upon millions of dollars doing so.

I'm also personally motivated. I don't want my kid to come down with a deadly disease and will gladly take a full body rash (which she did get 2 weeks after her MMR) as opposed to, oh, I don't know, measles complications (3 weeks of high fever, ear infection, pneumonia, diarrhea, and possible blindness).

And bravo to the drug companies for investing millions upon millions of dollars to develop drugs that save children's lives. You know what they do w/ that profit? Come up with new drugs to treat illness like diabetes, multiple sclerosis, HIV, Parkinsons, cancer, and even those for which there are already vaccines. Those drug companies are so evil!

I'd love to see your source on polio declining without mass vaccination.

**Gretchen** · September 2009

HeyyRed:

The shot is worse than polio?
Child Services should strip you of your parental rights stat. You are clearly an idiot. Ban me if you must but I have an aunt who had polio as a child and has suffered horrible disfigurement as a result.

Pssst, she was being sarcastic...

I think it was actually your pal JCM in the other vaccine post who suggested that the side effects of the vaccine were worse.

Jennilynn · September 2009

ToledoDeux:

Polio is declining sharply in most of the U.S. for the second year, with abundant evidence that much of the improvement is due to the Salk vaccine.

How the heck does this prove your point????

JCM083009 · September 2009

**Gretchen**:
HeyyRed:

The shot is worse than polio?
Child Services should strip you of your parental rights stat. You are clearly an idiot. Ban me if you must but I have an aunt who had polio as a child and has suffered horrible disfigurement as a result.
Pssst, she was being sarcastic...

I think it was actually your pal JCM in the other vaccine post who suggested that the side effects of the vaccine were worse.

I absolutely did not say that at all, but thanks.

TimsMayBride · September 2009

Jennilynn:
ToledoDeux:

Polio is declining sharply in most of the U.S. for the second year, with abundant evidence that much of the improvement is due to the Salk vaccine.

How the heck does this prove your point????

this whole post is one big ball of misunderstanding, which would be rather enjoyable if it weren't over such a serious topic

ToledoDeux · September 2009

TimsMayBride:
Jennilynn:
ToledoDeux:

Polio is declining sharply in most of the U.S. for the second year, with abundant evidence that much of the improvement is due to the Salk vaccine.

How the heck does this prove your point????

this whole post is one big ball of misunderstanding, which would be rather enjoyable if it weren't over such a serious topic

Uh, no. I am pro vaccine and one of the few who actually understood the point of the OP - and I am dumbfounded by both of your posts. I think perhaps you are misunderstanding me.

**Gretchen** · September 2009

JCM083009:
**Gretchen**:
HeyyRed:

The shot is worse than polio?
Child Services should strip you of your parental rights stat. You are clearly an idiot. Ban me if you must but I have an aunt who had polio as a child and has suffered horrible disfigurement as a result.
Pssst, she was being sarcastic...

I think it was actually your pal JCM in the other vaccine post who suggested that the side effects of the vaccine were worse.
I absolutely did not say that at all, but thanks.

Sorry, I honestly misread this line of yours: "i wouldn't be not vaccinating if i believed there was more risk not to" in the other post. The way I read this is that you believe that there is more risk in vaccinating then in not vaccinating.

Maybe I need a nap.

txbabs111 · September 2009

HeyyRed:
DR&RN04:
The shot is WAY worse, than say, polio:
Signs and symptoms, which generally last two to 10 days, include:
Fever
Sore throat
Headache
Vomiting
Fatigue
Back pain or stiffness
Neck pain or stiffness
Pain or stiffness in the arms or legs
Muscle spasms or tenderness
Meningitis
Paralytic polio
Fewer than 1 percent of people infected with poliovirus developparalytic polio, the most serious form of the disease. Initial signsand symptoms of paralytic polio, such as fever and headache, oftenmimic those of nonparalytic polio. Between one and 10 days laterhowever, signs and symptoms specific to paralytic polio appear,including:
Loss of reflexes
Severe muscle aches or spasms
Loose and floppy limbs (acute flaccid paralysis), often worse on one side of the body
The onset of paralysis may be sudden.
Classifications of paralytic polio
...
Spinal polio. This most common form of paralyticpolio attacks certain nerve cells (motor neurons) in your spinal cordand may cause paralysis of the muscles that control breathing and thosein your arms and legs. Sometimes the neurons are only damaged, in whichcase you may recover some degree of muscle function. But if the neuronsare completely destroyed, the paralysis is irreversible, although youstill retain your sense of feeling, unlike after many spinal cordinjuries.
Bulbar polio. In this severe type of polio, thevirus affects the motor neurons in your brainstem, where the centers ofthe cranial nerves are located. These nerves are involved in yourability to see, hear, smell, taste and swallow. They also affect themovement of muscles in your face and send signals to your heart,intestines and lungs. Bulbar polio can interfere with any of thesefunctions but is especially likely to affect your ability to breathe,speak and swallow and can be fatal without respiratory support.
Bulbospinal polio. A combination of both bulbarand spinal paralytic polio, this form can lead to paralysis of yourarms and legs and may also affect breathing, swallowing and heartfunction.
Post-polio syndrome
Affecting some people who have recovered from polio, post-poliosyndrome is a cluster of disabling signs and symptoms that appearsdecades ? an average of 30 to 40 years ? after the initial illness.Common signs and symptoms include:
Progressive muscle or joint weakness and pain
General fatigue and exhaustion after minimal activity
Muscle atrophy
Breathing or swallowing problems
Sleep-related breathing disorders, such as sleep apnea
Decreased tolerance of cold temperatures

That's from the Mayo clinic, btw. But that might not be as legitimate of a resource as a mom's internet research from her kitchen.

The shot is worse than polio?
Child Services should strip you of your parental rights stat. You are clearly an idiot. Ban me if you must but I have an aunt who had polio as a child and has suffered horrible disfigurement as a result.

Read the replies before you go calling CPS on people. She was being sarcastic!

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