OMG... Lazy? A crutch?

swirliepop · August 2009

Ha ha ha ha - just you wait until you have a toddler. WAIT until you go grocery shopping and it LITERALLY takes over an hour to run in for barely enough items to hit the express checkout. WAIT until you need to go Target and your kid turns a corner and you try not to have a full panic attack cause you don't know which isle he went down. Just WAIT. A kid with a leash not a dog on a leash. You aren't training them... (a crutch, really?!) The sheer energy to get through a simple trip to the store, or absolute fear when they are out of sight for a split second and you WILL change your mind.

Your husband / mother / sister won't always be there for you, and managing a toddler alone can sometimes force you to just stay home. But when that's not possible, things like a leash are a godsend.

And for those who will raise "well-behaved" kids, double ha-ha. Toddlers don't understand reasoning or consequences. They are like animals. So even your best attempt won't keep them from bolting when the desire strikes. Unless of course, you plan to keep them in a cage.

gkatieh · August 2009

madhatter2003 · August 2009

but 2 year olds are such good listeners Stick out tongue

klande3 · August 2009

yes... I agree with the "well-behaved kid" thing! there is nothing wrong with a leash! I lease students all the time!!

B!tchBeckman · August 2009

::Stands up and starts slow clap::

Ciarrai · August 2009

LittleMamaB · August 2009

swirliepop:
Ha ha ha ha - just you wait until you have a toddler. WAIT until you go grocery shopping and it LITERALLY takes over an hour to run in for barely enough items to hit the express checkout. WAIT until you need to go Target and your kid turns a corner and you try not to have a full panic attack cause you don't know which isle he went down. Just WAIT. A kid with a leash not a dog on a leash. You aren't training them... (a crutch, really?!) The sheer energy to get through a simple trip to the store, or absolute fear when they are out of sight for a split second and you WILL change your mind.
Your husband / mother / sister won't always be there for you, and managing a toddler alone can sometimes force you to just stay home. But when that's not possible, things like a leash are a godsend.
And for those who will raise "well-behaved" kids, double ha-ha. Toddlers don't understand reasoning or consequences. They are like animals. So even your best attempt won't keep them from bolting when the desire strikes. Unless of course, you plan to keep them in a cage.

I'm secret wishing little terrors on them.

I love that people act like toddlers are reasonable. Ahh, that's good stuff.

susanlovestexas · August 2009

swirliepop:

Ha ha ha ha - just you wait until you have a toddler. WAIT until you go grocery shopping and it LITERALLY takes over an hour to run in for barely enough items to hit the express checkout. WAIT until you need to go Target and your kid turns a corner and you try not to have a full panic attack cause you don't know which isle he went down. Just WAIT. A kid with a leash not a dog on a leash. You aren't training them... (a crutch, really?!) The sheer energy to get through a simple trip to the store, or absolute fear when they are out of sight for a split second and you WILL change your mind.

Your husband / mother / sister won't always be there for you, and managing a toddler alone can sometimes force you to just stay home. But when that's not possible, things like a leash are a godsend.

And for those who will raise "well-behaved" kids, double ha-ha. Toddlers don't understand reasoning or consequences. They are like animals. So even your best attempt won't keep them from bolting when the desire strikes. Unless of course, you plan to keep them in a cage.

Wow. I did not respond to the other post. Leashes are NOT for me or my child, but I can't care less if other people want to use them. I see both sides of the issue. Fine by me. I would never be cocky enough to say I am raising a "well behaved" child, but my daughter does very much understand reasoning and consequences, and she has since she was 2 years old. She is absolutely NOT at all like an "animal"!

She has had her share of break downs in public places and yes, going to the store with her takes much longer than without. I agree with that. But we have never had a need for a leash and now at age 4 she knows what type of behavior is expected from her in public, even in big crowds like the fair or the zoo. I would hope we can all expect a little more from our kids than to write it off as "they are like animals" and use that as an excuse.

ellemoney:) · August 2009

Honestly, I always have the thought of the parent being lazy when I see a toddler on a leash, BUT that's b/c of the examples I see.?

That's probably the same reason that others hate leashes too. ??

I won't use one. I have a toddler.. a very demanding wants to walk around and be independent toddler, but I'm still not going to use one. ?It's not a big deal.

It's the same as FF/BF and every other debate.. there are always two sides.?

getnmarried910 · August 2009

Yes Yes Yes

They should also try having a toddler and an infant...or very soon, as is my case, two toddlers and an infant with a husband who works crazy hours so I am often on my own. Try pushing a cart or stroller and chasing a toddler or two when they get that sudden urge. My kids are pretty well-behaved and are discipled (as I think someone mentioned in one of the posts) but toddlers are not little adults and cannot be expected to behave as such. Even the most well-behaved toddlers get those urges sometimes! It's part of the age. They need age appropriate expectations. And child appropriate. Not all kids are alike.

Dvnah · August 2009

Yes Yes Yes this is our first but i'm being realistic. there will be a time when we have #2 and #3 (God willing) that i'll be out by myself and i KNOW that i'll need as much help as possible.

i've also had first hand experience with this. it was several years ago but i took a set of twins to the zoo. i had my hand on both of them but the second i let one go she ran off. i picked up the other one and ran - thank god a nice couple saw what happened and they distracted her until i go there.

gkatieh · August 2009

For me it's not so much whether your kid is well behaved or not.

You're in an airport or Disney World and you're holding your kids hand and someone rushing by brushes past you right between you, the kid gets pushed away, you get pushed away, someone grabs the kid, and it's over.

userdeleted · August 2009

swirliepop:
Toddlers don't understand reasoning or consequences. They are like animals.

I agree with you, and this made me LOL.

They're ANIMALS I tell you!!! RUN FOR YOUR LIVES!!!!!!!!!!!!!

applejuiceyness · August 2009

My mom had eight kids to look after while shopping. She didn't need a leash for us. We had the fear of mom in us if we missed behaved or ran off. Cages weren't needed, leashes weren't needed... my mom had enough control. I hope to have that control so I won't need any "crutches".

swirliepop · August 2009

susanlovestexas:
swirliepop:

Ha ha ha ha - just you wait until you have a toddler. WAIT until you go grocery shopping and it LITERALLY takes over an hour to run in for barely enough items to hit the express checkout. WAIT until you need to go Target and your kid turns a corner and you try not to have a full panic attack cause you don't know which isle he went down. Just WAIT. A kid with a leash not a dog on a leash. You aren't training them... (a crutch, really?!) The sheer energy to get through a simple trip to the store, or absolute fear when they are out of sight for a split second and you WILL change your mind.
Your husband / mother / sister won't always be there for you, and managing a toddler alone can sometimes force you to just stay home. But when that's not possible, things like a leash are a godsend.
And for those who will raise "well-behaved" kids, double ha-ha. Toddlers don't understand reasoning or consequences. They are like animals. So even your best attempt won't keep them from bolting when the desire strikes. Unless of course, you plan to keep them in a cage.

Wow. I did not respond to the other post. Leashes are NOT for me or my child, but I can't care less if other people want to use them. I see both sides of the issue. Fine by me. I would never be cocky enough to say I am raising a "well behaved" child, but my daughter does very much understand reasoning and consequences, and she has since she was 2 years old. She is absolutely NOT at all like an "animal"!
She has had her share of break downs in public places and yes, going to the store with her takes much longer than without. I agree with that. But we have never had a need for a leash and now at age 4 she knows what type of behavior is expected from her in public, even in big crowds like the fair or the zoo. I would hope we can all expect a little more from our kids than to write it off as "they are like animals" and use that as an excuse.

That's awesome - I have a boy and maybe there's a big difference between the disposition of boys vs. girls at this age, or maybe my kid is the only "animal" out there. You say she's had her share of breakdowns in public places - which is my point. They are unpredictable, just like animals (I didn't mean that they growl and lick!) however "training" a dog on a leash and using a leash to keep your kid near when you are in a crowded mall or amusement park are just not the same thing. I wish my son understood reasoning and consequences like your daughter. I don't know, maybe I'm alone, I put him on time out about 1,000 times a week for doing the same thing wrong.

There are NO excuses here. I'm simply saying that there were some replies in that post from women who aren't even moms yet talking lazy / crutch which is crazy.

FWIW - I don't have a leash nor have I ever used one.

gkatieh · August 2009

applejuiceyness:
My mom had eight kids to look after while shopping. She didn't need a leash for us. We had the fear of mom in us if we missed behaved or ran off. Cages weren't needed, leashes weren't needed... my mom had enough control. I hope to have that control so I won't need any "crutches".

Well she's lucky y'all were never kidnapped

swirliepop · August 2009

gkatieh:
applejuiceyness:
My mom had eight kids to look after while shopping. She didn't need a leash for us. We had the fear of mom in us if we missed behaved or ran off. Cages weren't needed, leashes weren't needed... my mom had enough control. I hope to have that control so I won't need any "crutches".
Well she's lucky y'all were never kidnapped

And clearly not all 8 could have been toddlers (the animals in question here). So she did have a leash. She had 3 or 4 kids to help corral the others, and probably at least one in the cart.

applejuiceyness · August 2009

gkatieh:
applejuiceyness:
My mom had eight kids to look after while shopping. She didn't need a leash for us. We had the fear of mom in us if we missed behaved or ran off. Cages weren't needed, leashes weren't needed... my mom had enough control. I hope to have that control so I won't need any "crutches".
Well she's lucky y'all were never kidnapped

Seriously? Any kid can be kidnapped even with a parent who takes the most precaution.

gkatieh · August 2009

swirliepop:
susanlovestexas:
swirliepop:

Ha ha ha ha - just you wait until you have a toddler. WAIT until you go grocery shopping and it LITERALLY takes over an hour to run in for barely enough items to hit the express checkout. WAIT until you need to go Target and your kid turns a corner and you try not to have a full panic attack cause you don't know which isle he went down. Just WAIT. A kid with a leash not a dog on a leash. You aren't training them... (a crutch, really?!) The sheer energy to get through a simple trip to the store, or absolute fear when they are out of sight for a split second and you WILL change your mind.
Your husband / mother / sister won't always be there for you, and managing a toddler alone can sometimes force you to just stay home. But when that's not possible, things like a leash are a godsend.
And for those who will raise "well-behaved" kids, double ha-ha. Toddlers don't understand reasoning or consequences. They are like animals. So even your best attempt won't keep them from bolting when the desire strikes. Unless of course, you plan to keep them in a cage.

Wow. I did not respond to the other post. Leashes are NOT for me or my child, but I can't care less if other people want to use them. I see both sides of the issue. Fine by me. I would never be cocky enough to say I am raising a "well behaved" child, but my daughter does very much understand reasoning and consequences, and she has since she was 2 years old. She is absolutely NOT at all like an "animal"!
She has had her share of break downs in public places and yes, going to the store with her takes much longer than without. I agree with that. But we have never had a need for a leash and now at age 4 she knows what type of behavior is expected from her in public, even in big crowds like the fair or the zoo. I would hope we can all expect a little more from our kids than to write it off as "they are like animals" and use that as an excuse.

That's awesome - I have a boy and maybe there's a big difference between the disposition of boys vs. girls at this age, or maybe my kid is the only "animal" out there. You say she's had her share of breakdowns in public places - which is my point. They are unpredictable, just like animals (I didn't mean that they growl and lick!) however "training" a dog on a leash and using a leash to keep your kid near when you are in a crowded mall or amusement park are just not the same thing. I wish my son understood reasoning and consequences like your daughter. I don't know, maybe I'm alone, I put him on time out about 1,000 times a week for doing the same thing wrong.
There are NO excuses here. I'm simply saying that there were some replies in that post from women who aren't even moms yet talking lazy / crutch which is crazy.
FWIW - I don't have a leash nor have I ever used one.

My nieces are terrors sometimes. I had to scare the older one out of walking away. May be that's what you have to do with some kids?! Idk... All kids are different, and I think Susan is LUCKY to have such a well behaved toddler. That's very very rare. It's due to her personality, not just the discipline she receives (that is NOT to be taken wrongly. It sounds snotty now that I read it, I'm sorry. She has a great personality, congrats for that! It's not supposed to sound mean!). I also never said I was going to use a leash, but like y'all see it obvious, I'm totally for them. I just know how absolutely unpredictable toddlers are and can be and I know how sick and scary the world it out there.

B!tchBeckman · August 2009

swirliepop:
gkatieh:

applejuiceyness:
My mom had eight kids to look after while shopping. She didn't need a leash for us. We had the fear of mom in us if we missed behaved or ran off. Cages weren't needed, leashes weren't needed... my mom had enough control. I hope to have that control so I won't need any "crutches".

Well she's lucky y'all were never kidnapped

And clearly not all 8 could have been toddlers (the animals in question here). So she did have a leash. She had 3 or 4 kids to help corral the others, and probably at least one in the cart.

meaning no offense to the OP here but this statement makes your mom sound like a controlling b!tch. not to disrespect or anything but it sounds like the kids were more afraid of her than anything.

gkatieh · August 2009

applejuiceyness:
gkatieh:
applejuiceyness:
My mom had eight kids to look after while shopping. She didn't need a leash for us. We had the fear of mom in us if we missed behaved or ran off. Cages weren't needed, leashes weren't needed... my mom had enough control. I hope to have that control so I won't need any "crutches".
Well she's lucky y'all were never kidnapped
Seriously? Any kid can be kidnapped even with a parent who takes the most precaution.

Exactly. That is my point. Thanks for reiterating it!

Hulahoop1234 · August 2009

susanlovestexas:
swirliepop:

Ha ha ha ha - just you wait until you have a toddler. WAIT until you go grocery shopping and it LITERALLY takes over an hour to run in for barely enough items to hit the express checkout. WAIT until you need to go Target and your kid turns a corner and you try not to have a full panic attack cause you don't know which isle he went down. Just WAIT. A kid with a leash not a dog on a leash. You aren't training them... (a crutch, really?!) The sheer energy to get through a simple trip to the store, or absolute fear when they are out of sight for a split second and you WILL change your mind.
Your husband / mother / sister won't always be there for you, and managing a toddler alone can sometimes force you to just stay home. But when that's not possible, things like a leash are a godsend.
And for those who will raise "well-behaved" kids, double ha-ha. Toddlers don't understand reasoning or consequences. They are like animals. So even your best attempt won't keep them from bolting when the desire strikes. Unless of course, you plan to keep them in a cage.

Wow. I did not respond to the other post. Leashes are NOT for me or my child, but I can't care less if other people want to use them. I see both sides of the issue. Fine by me. I would never be cocky enough to say I am raising a "well behaved" child, but my daughter does very much understand reasoning and consequences, and she has since she was 2 years old. She is absolutely NOT at all like an "animal"!
She has had her share of break downs in public places and yes, going to the store with her takes much longer than without. I agree with that. But we have never had a need for a leash and now at age 4 she knows what type of behavior is expected from her in public, even in big crowds like the fair or the zoo. I would hope we can all expect a little more from our kids than to write it off as "they are like animals" and use that as an excuse.

I would have to agree. As I mentioned in the previous post, I have absolutely no problem with parents who use leashes in combination with good parenting.

I do disagree about the "animal" reference to toddlers. Most psychologists will tell you that (in general) reasoning is not the most effective tool for MOST 2-3 year olds. However, there are loads of great disciplinary technique alternatives out there. On a side note, I guess most of the books I have available to me are filled with lots of psychobabble that is boring to the average person, but there is some good info in there. If anyone is interested I can suggest a few good references.

We all know that even the most well behaved toddler we have ever met will have their moments (and probably many, many of them). I don't necessarily think that is a reason to laugh at the idea of toddler discipline as a whole though. Not to say that the OP meant this in particular, but it sounds like some out there kind of allude to this idea.

gkatieh · August 2009

I think we all agree it shouldn't be used in place of dislipline but an extra precaution in safety and teaching a child boundaries as well as independence and giving ourselves piece of mind.

And that all the girls totally against it have no kids and no idea

B!tchBeckman · August 2009

gkatieh:

I think we all agree it shouldn't be used in place of dislipline but an extra precaution in safety and teaching a child boundaries as well as independence and giving ourselves piece of mind.

And that all the girls totally against it have no kids and no idea

Yes

LittleMamaB · August 2009

"We all know that even the most well behaved toddler we have ever met will have their moments (and probably many, many of them). I don't necessarily think that is a reason to laugh at the idea of toddler discipline as a whole though. Not to say that the OP meant this in particular, but it sounds like some out there kind of allude to this idea. "

No, some of just realize that no matter how much you discipline your toddler they are still going to do what they want to do sometimes. My child is disciplined. My child still has a long way to go.

I just think the idea of people judging before they even have children (like a TON of people in the OP) is laughable, at best. I don't care where you (a general "you") have worked or how much you've babysat, or how many kids your sister's friend has...you have no idea what it is like until you are there. Until you are actually a parent of a kid you can't give back. The one's who think they do are HI-larious.

gkatieh · August 2009

LittleMamaB:
"We all know that even the most well behaved toddler we have ever met will have their moments (and probably many, many of them). I don't necessarily think that is a reason to laugh at the idea of toddler discipline as a whole though. Not to say that the OP meant this in particular, but it sounds like some out there kind of allude to this idea. "
No, some of just realize that no matter how much you discipline your toddler they are still going to do what they want to do sometimes. My child is disciplined. My child still has a long way to go.
I just think the idea of people judging before they even have children (like a TON of people in the OP) is laughable, at best. I don't care where you (a general "you") have worked or how much you've babysat, or how many kids your sister's friend has...you have no idea what it is like until you are there. Until you are actually a parent of a kid you can't give back. The one's who think they do are HI-larious.

I'm one of those girls, and through that experience, I have LEARNED not to expect ANYTHING and that a kid is a kid and has a mind of their own. I'm with y'all, but not all of us aunts are dense

swirliepop · August 2009

Hulahoop1234:
susanlovestexas:
swirliepop:

Ha ha ha ha - just you wait until you have a toddler. WAIT until you go grocery shopping and it LITERALLY takes over an hour to run in for barely enough items to hit the express checkout. WAIT until you need to go Target and your kid turns a corner and you try not to have a full panic attack cause you don't know which isle he went down. Just WAIT. A kid with a leash not a dog on a leash. You aren't training them... (a crutch, really?!) The sheer energy to get through a simple trip to the store, or absolute fear when they are out of sight for a split second and you WILL change your mind.
Your husband / mother / sister won't always be there for you, and managing a toddler alone can sometimes force you to just stay home. But when that's not possible, things like a leash are a godsend.
And for those who will raise "well-behaved" kids, double ha-ha. Toddlers don't understand reasoning or consequences. They are like animals. So even your best attempt won't keep them from bolting when the desire strikes. Unless of course, you plan to keep them in a cage.

Wow. I did not respond to the other post. Leashes are NOT for me or my child, but I can't care less if other people want to use them. I see both sides of the issue. Fine by me. I would never be cocky enough to say I am raising a "well behaved" child, but my daughter does very much understand reasoning and consequences, and she has since she was 2 years old. She is absolutely NOT at all like an "animal"!
She has had her share of break downs in public places and yes, going to the store with her takes much longer than without. I agree with that. But we have never had a need for a leash and now at age 4 she knows what type of behavior is expected from her in public, even in big crowds like the fair or the zoo. I would hope we can all expect a little more from our kids than to write it off as "they are like animals" and use that as an excuse.

I would have to agree. As I mentioned in the previous post, I have absolutely no problem with parents who use leashes in combination with good parenting.
I do disagree about the "animal" reference to toddlers. Most psychologists will tell you that (in general) reasoning is not the most effective tool for MOST 2-3 year olds. However, there are loads of great disciplinary technique alternatives out there. On a side note, I guess most of the books I have available to me are filled with lots of psychobabble that is boring to the average person, but there is some good info in there. If anyone is available I can suggest a few good references.
We all know that even the most well behaved toddler we have ever met will have their moments (and probably many, many of them). I don't necessarily think that is a reason to laugh at the idea of toddler discipline as a whole though. Not to say that the OP meant this in particular, but it sounds like some out there kind of allude to this idea.

I did not intend to imply that discipline and reasoning are not important - not at all. In fact I've been reading the Love & Logic books to help with this. I am definitely not a psychologist but I do believe in discipline. I try to "reason" with my son ALL the time - it's not that he doesn't comprehend reasoning, it's that he doesn't respond to it. He's got a mind of his own...

fIowerchild · August 2009

We don't use a leash, but these all-knowing non-Moms crack me up. Toddlers are crazy, unreasonable little monsters!

katee2184 · August 2009

B!tchBeckman:
::Stands up and starts slow clap::

LOL!

::joins slow clap:: ...

Hulahoop1234 · August 2009

LittleMamaB:
"We all know that even the most well behaved toddler we have ever metwill have their moments (and probably many, many of them). I don'tnecessarily think that is a reason to laugh at the idea of toddlerdiscipline as a whole though. Not to say that the OP meant this inparticular, but it sounds like some out there kind of allude to thisidea. "
No, some of just realize that no matter how much you discipline your toddler they are still going to do what they want to do sometimes. My child is disciplined. My child still has a long way to go.
I just think the idea of people judging before they even have children (like a TON of people in the OP) is laughable, at best. I don't care where you (a general "you") have worked or how much you've babysat, or how many kids your sister's friend has...you have no idea what it is like until you are there. Until you are actually a parent of a kid you can't give back. The one's who think they do are HI-larious.

Exactly what I was trying to say. What I meant about those that laugh about the idea of toddler discipline is that - for example - I know two moms who will tell you that trying to discipline a toddler is a complete waste of time and laughable. I just don't agree with that frame of mind. But like I said, obviously no matter how well behaved your child is or how successfully and consistantly you discipline, they are still toddlers and will have their days, urges, etc.

We're on the same page, I think

purlgurl · August 2009

As a mother of a very strong-willed, independent 2.5 year old, I would NEVER use a leash on my child. I have put her kicking and screaming into a shopping cart and said a little prayer of thanksgiving that they have seat belts so she can't climb out, but leashing a kid is just wrong to me.

I have dealt with my share of temper tantrums and attempts to run the other way, but I chalk it up to parenthood. And for those likening toddlers to animals because they don't understand reasoning and consequences, I disagree. Toddlers can and do understand consequences, it is just most of them are not taught consequences. A lot of parents make threats, then don't follow through.

getnmarried910 · August 2009

Hulahoop1234:
LittleMamaB:

"We all know that even the most well behaved toddler we have ever metwill have their moments (and probably many, many of them). I don'tnecessarily think that is a reason to laugh at the idea of toddlerdiscipline as a whole though. Not to say that the OP meant this inparticular, but it sounds like some out there kind of allude to thisidea. "

No, some of just realize that no matter how much you discipline your toddler they are still going to do what they want to do sometimes. My child is disciplined. My child still has a long way to go.

I just think the idea of people judging before they even have children (like a TON of people in the OP) is laughable, at best. I don't care where you (a general "you") have worked or how much you've babysat, or how many kids your sister's friend has...you have no idea what it is like until you are there. Until you are actually a parent of a kid you can't give back. The one's who think they do are HI-larious.

Exactly what I was trying to say. What I meant about those that laugh about the idea of toddler discipline is that - for example - I know two moms who will tell you that trying to discipline a toddler is a complete waste of time and laughable. I just don't agree with that frame of mind. But like I said, obviously no matter how well behaved your child is or how successfully and consistantly you discipline, they are still toddlers and will have their days, urges, etc.

We're on the same page, I think

Tey really think disciplining a toddler is a waste of time? Where do they think they learn? While toddlers aren't going to respond to discipline every time, and they definitely have a mind of their own, those moms are going to be sorry when they have teenagers they can't discipline because they didn't start young! I'm a firm believer in discipline (and following through) at an early age. It may take a long long time for the toddler to "get it," but in the long run, it will make disciplining later easier because it was started early on.

gkatieh · August 2009

purlgurl:
As a mother of a very strong-willed, independent 2.5 year old, I would NEVER use a leash on my child. I have put her kicking and screaming into a shopping cart and said a little prayer of thanksgiving that they have seat belts so she can't climb out, but leashing a kid is just wrong to me.

I have dealt with my share of temper tantrums and attempts to run the other way, but I chalk it up to parenthood. And for those likening toddlers to animals because they don't understand reasoning and consequences, I disagree. Toddlers can and do understand consequences, it is just most of them are not taught consequences. A lot of parents make threats, then don't follow through.

And a lot of people don't read all the posts. She explained what she meant by toddlers being animals.

getnmarried910 · August 2009

purlgurl:

As a mother of a very strong-willed, independent 2.5 year old, I would NEVER use a leash on my child. I have put her kicking and screaming into a shopping cart and said a little prayer of thanksgiving that they have seat belts so she can't climb out, but leashing a kid is just wrong to me.

I have dealt with my share of temper tantrums and attempts to run the other way, but I chalk it up to parenthood. And for those likening toddlers to animals because they don't understand reasoning and consequences, I disagree. Toddlers can and do understand consequences, it is just most of them are not taught consequences. A lot of parents make threats, then don't follow through.

I don't agree with the animal comparisons either.

Hulahoop1234 · August 2009

getnmarried910:
Hulahoop1234:
LittleMamaB:

"We all know that even the most well behaved toddler we have ever metwill have their moments (and probably many, many of them). I don'tnecessarily think that is a reason to laugh at the idea of toddlerdiscipline as a whole though. Not to say that the OP meant this inparticular, but it sounds like some out there kind of allude to thisidea. "
No, some of just realize that no matter how much you discipline your toddler they are still going to do what they want to do sometimes. My child is disciplined. My child still has a long way to go.
I just think the idea of people judging before they even have children (like a TON of people in the OP) is laughable, at best. I don't care where you (a general "you") have worked or how much you've babysat, or how many kids your sister's friend has...you have no idea what it is like until you are there. Until you are actually a parent of a kid you can't give back. The one's who think they do are HI-larious.
Exactly what I was trying to say. What I meant about those that laugh about the idea of toddler discipline is that - for example - I know two moms who will tell you that trying to discipline a toddler is a complete waste of time and laughable. I just don't agree with that frame of mind. But like I said, obviously no matter how well behaved your child is or how successfully and consistantly you discipline, they are still toddlers and will have their days, urges, etc.
We're on the same page, I think
Tey really think disciplining a toddler is a waste of time? Where do they think they learn? While toddlers aren't going to respond to discipline every time, and they definitely have a mind of their own, those moms are going to be sorry when they have teenagers they can't discipline because they didn't start young! I'm a firm believer in discipline (and following through) at an early age. It may take a long long time for the toddler to "get it," but in the long run, it will make disciplining later easier because it was started early on.

Amen

In my experience there are a lot of parents (like those that moms I mentioned) that aren't aware of all the great disciplinary techniques out there that can and do work for toddlers, and also aren't interested in increasing their knowledge. Obviously every kid is different and some things work better for some kids than others. And again, obviously even a well disciplined toddler will still have their issues, because they are toddlers. Everyone will make their own choices though and you can't force someone to try something out no matter what your background, training, etc. (unfortunately, LOL). It has to be the parents' decision, and one that they are serious about.

gkatieh · August 2009

purlgurl:
As a mother of a very strong-willed, independent 2.5 year old, I would NEVER use a leash on my child. I have put her kicking and screaming into a shopping cart and said a little prayer of thanksgiving that they have seat belts so she can't climb out, but leashing a kid is just wrong to me.

I have dealt with my share of temper tantrums and attempts to run the other way, but I chalk it up to parenthood. And for those likening toddlers to animals because they don't understand reasoning and consequences, I disagree. Toddlers can and do understand consequences, it is just most of them are not taught consequences. A lot of parents make threats, then don't follow through.

What's the difference? Some people use the leashes as safety measures and some dissuse them. Seatbelts are used for safety, not dislipline.

Why can't I spell today?! lol

purlgurl · August 2009

If oyu can't figure out why it is acceptable to use a seat belt in a shopping cart and not a child leash then I feel sorry for you. My guess is you know why there is a difference you just like internet debates and are picking apart my post to try and belittle me.

My post my opinion.

gkatieh · August 2009

purlgurl:
If oyu can't figure out why it is acceptable to use a seat belt in a shopping cart and not a child leash then I feel sorry for you. My guess is you know why there is a difference you just like internet debates and are picking apart my post to try and belittle me.

My post my opinion.

I'm making the point that people use their leashes because their kids are being "bad" and people like you think that is wrong. But you will strap your kid down in the buggy when she is being bad and you think it's better or different? I never said anything was wrong with it and I would do the exact same thing, but they are the same.

I don't like internet debates but it angers me that people "belittle" people for having an open mind. I didn't start this post so don't be rude with me. Don't be rude with her either, her post her opinion, but don't be so judgemental when you're making the same decisions in a different fashion.

loribeth620 · August 2009

I don't know...kid leashes make me cringe. Oh yeah, and laugh my a$$ off too. I raised a child as a teen mom (gasp!) and did not once use a leash.

To each their own.

LittleMamaB · August 2009

purlgurl:
If oyu can't figure out why it is acceptable to use a seat belt in a shopping cart and not a child leash then I feel sorry for you. My guess is you know why there is a difference you just like internet debates and are picking apart my post to try and belittle me.

My post my opinion.

I would LOVE for you to explain the difference. I really don't see the difference...both are restraining a child in order to keep them safe. As is a stroller. And if you can't see that, then "I feel sorry for you"...lol. Not really, I just love to mock people that say dumbshit like that.

JaredandKatie · August 2009

loribeth620:

I don't know...kid leashes make me cringe. Oh yeah, and laugh my a$$ off too. I raised a child as a teen mom (gasp!) and did not once use a leash.

To each their own.

Yes My mom had three of us rascals under the age of 4 and never used a leash. I'm sure at times she was chasing us around but she managed to keep things under control and keep us with her. I don't think it's bad that people use leashes...I just don't think they're always necessary. I have seen them misused and think that's terrible. To each their own...

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