What is CIO?

susanmosley · August 2009

I don't consider Ferber to be the same as CIO, and I know I am not alone in this belief.

My question: is there a physician, author, expert out there that suggests CIO, as in let the baby cry (without any check-ins) until he is asleep?

I don't know if my question is clear. Is it? And if so, who/book title?

LucyGoosey81 · August 2009

I could be wrong, but I'm under the assumption that it's not a certain person's theory/practice, but something parents do and have done. I'm not sure if I'm explaining that right. I'm tired.

susanmosley · August 2009

Makes sense to me, Lucy. But I too am tired, waiting to see what my sweet girl has planned this evening with regards to sleep.

For the record, I am not wanting to let anyone CIO, I am just wondering if that is a known, published recommendation.

LittleApple · August 2009

I always hear from the older generations that this is what they did. ?I can only assume this is what their parents did as well. (CIO)

MandBBewley · August 2009

From what I know there are some differences between Ferber and CIO. I think CIO is a more general term that you let your baby cry until they go to sleep (it could be 10 minutes or 2 hours). I believe Ferber suggests letting your baby cry for increasing amounts of time before checking on them, with an end point in mind. I don't think there is a book that is the source of the term. I did not read Babywise, I don't know if that book talks about CIO.

mavs_girl07 · August 2009

HSHHC by Weissbluth talks about full-on CIO, or extinction as he calls it.

ncbelle · August 2009

mavs_girl07:
HSHHC by Weissbluth talks about full-on CIO, or extinction as he calls it.

That term makes me want to cry - exactly is become "extinct"??

I consider Ferber CIO - yes it's a more gentle form but it's still allowing baby to cry until he gives up and falls asleep. To me any unanswered cry - whether you check or not - is CIO.

Geekchick921 · August 2009

ncbelle:

mavs_girl07:
HSHHC by Weissbluth talks about full-on CIO, or extinction as he calls it.

That term makes me want to cry - exactly is become "extinct"??

I consider Ferber CIO - yes it's a more gentle form but it's still allowing baby to cry until he gives up and falls asleep. To me any unanswered cry - whether you check or not - is CIO.

Okay... that's just dramatic.

I'm sure he means extinction in a psychology sense. I'm just going to rip the definition from wiki because it's more eloquent than I would explain it. It basically means the behavior/response will stop (become extinct) when the reinforcement is no longer given.

Extinction in psychology refers to the lowering of the probability of a response when a characteristic reinforcing stimulus is no longer presented. In classical conditioning, this refers to the decline of a conditioned response when a conditioned stimulus repeatedly occurs without the presence of the unconditioned stimulus it had been paired with. In Operant conditioning, extinction is the decline of an operant response when it is no longer reinforced in the presence of its discriminative stimulus.

ncbelle · August 2009

Geekchick921:
ncbelle:

mavs_girl07:
HSHHC by Weissbluth talks about full-on CIO, or extinction as he calls it.

That term makes me want to cry - exactly is become "extinct"??

I consider Ferber CIO - yes it's a more gentle form but it's still allowing baby to cry until he gives up and falls asleep. To me any unanswered cry - whether you check or not - is CIO.

Okay... that's just dramatic.

I'm sure he means extinction in a psychology sense. I'm just going to rip the definition from wiki because it's more eloquent than I would explain it. It basically means the behavior/response will stop (become extinct) when the reinforcement is no longer given.

Extinction in psychology refers to the lowering of the probability of a response when a characteristic reinforcing stimulus is no longer presented. In classical conditioning, this refers to the decline of a conditioned response when a conditioned stimulus repeatedly occurs without the presence of the unconditioned stimulus it had been paired with. In Operant conditioning, extinction is the decline of an operant response when it is no longer reinforced in the presence of its discriminative stimulus.

Yeah, I maintain it's a sad concept. You're conditioning your baby to stop crying (which is one of the few ways they can communicate) by not responding to them. That's why CIO isn't for me. If someone else wants to do it - fine, not my kid. It's not that I think it's child abuse or something, it's just not the way I want to handle my child's sleep.

SarahMay77 · August 2009

mavs_girl07:
HSHHC by Weissbluth talks about full-on CIO, or extinction as he calls it.

This book can be overwhelming b/c it has so much information, but I really agree with much of what he has to say. The napping situation at daycare was beyond our control, so that portion of the book was not something we could follow. When it comes to CIO vs. Ferber, each baby is different, but going in to soothe caused more crying for us. We did extinction when DD was 6 mos and 1 week old. She cried off and on for about an hour on nights 1 and 2 and then whined for 20 minutes on nights 3 and 4. Since then, she has slept wonderfully, even through teething and being sick. We ended up not needing to try CIO for naps b/c she started putting herself to sleep w/o rocking after we did CIO.

It's your decision in the end, but I like to respond to posts like this b/c I don't believe that Ferber is the more gentle option for all babies.

ETA: HSHHC talks about not using CIO if your child becomes too upset and vomits. He also uses examples of people setting crying limits of 1 hour, so he doesn't encourage parents to leave their babies unattended for hours and hours of crying. You really should read the book before starting sleep training.

susanmosley · August 2009

ncbelle:
Geekchick921:
ncbelle:

mavs_girl07:
HSHHC by Weissbluth talks about full-on CIO, or extinction as he calls it.
That term makes me want to cry - exactly is become "extinct"??
I consider Ferber CIO - yes it's a more gentle form but it's still allowing baby to cry until he gives up and falls asleep. To me any unanswered cry - whether you check or not - is CIO.
Okay... that's just dramatic.
I'm sure he means extinction in a psychology sense. I'm just going to rip the definition from wiki because it's more eloquent than I would explain it. It basically means the behavior/response will stop (become extinct) when the reinforcement is no longer given.
Extinction in psychology refers to the lowering of the probability of a response when a characteristic reinforcing stimulus is no longer presented. In classical conditioning, this refers to the decline of a conditioned response when a conditioned stimulus repeatedly occurs without the presence of the unconditioned stimulus it had been paired with. In Operant conditioning, extinction is the decline of an operant response when it is no longer reinforced in the presence of its discriminative stimulus.
Yeah, I maintain it's a sad concept. You're conditioning your baby to stop crying (which is one of the few ways they can communicate) by not responding to them. That's why CIO isn't for me. If someone else wants to do it - fine, not my kid. It's not that I think it's child abuse or something, it's just not the way I want to handle my child's sleep.

Yes, I just wanted to jump back in and comment that "extinction" is a behavioral term referring to the behavior stopping once the reinforcer is removed. And "extinction burst" is a known event when the behavior initially escalates before subsiding.

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