I'm not going to flame you, but I do think you need to our rule your DH about this. Letting a baby cry for three hours sounds like neglect to me.
How is sitting next to your child trying to soothe him without picking him up = neglect?!? Her DH suggested that they just let him CIO, but she didn't actually do it... geez.
THANKYOU! (i'm too tired to even fight back and defend myself......I'm just looking for some new advice/technique that I have yet to try but I think I've tried it all)
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Has your doctor explored the possibility of reflux? The screaming, arching the back thing sounds like it could be reflux, which Mylicon and Tylenol wouldn't help with. It could also explain why he's fine during the day (usually sitting up) and is crying when he lays down. I had a friend whose son didn't STTN until he was a few years old because of silent reflux. When they finally figured it out and gave him medicine, he STTN with no problems.
I'm not going to flame you, but I do think you need to our rule your DH about this. Letting a baby cry for three hours sounds like neglect to me.
How is sitting next to your child trying to soothe him without picking him up = neglect?!? Her DH suggested that they just let him CIO, but she didn't actually do it... geez.
THANKYOU! (i'm too tired to even fight back and defend myself......I'm just looking for some new advice/technique that I have yet to try but I think I've tried it all)
I think most of us understand. Just ignore those with low reading comprehension skills. (((hugs))) again.
First, give this to your DH from me for not helping out
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Every baby is different. Everyone has great advice for what worked with their child, but you have your own unique baby. The priority here is YOU and baby getting some rest. You're a working mom, you need sleep, so forget all advice about the "right" things to do and do whatever it freaking takes. Yeah, people tell you not to pick up your baby in the night because it creates bad habits. But you know what's a bad habit? Crying for 3 hours!
YOU need to do whatver you got to do to get some rest. Take him to bed with you if it gets you some sleep. Pick him up and rock him back to sleep if you can. I hope you can get some rest and I am sorry your little one is going through this and your DH is being an assclown.
Have you looked into reflex? My DS was like that and was diagnosed with reflex at 8 weeks old. He then started STTN when we got him medicated, up until 4 months, when he would scream his head off and not go to sleep. He was waking up at least 4 - 5 times/night. We recently got his medicine adjusted and now he is (knock on wood) going back to STTN or at least only waking up 1 - 2 x per night (which I can handle!).
I'd try co-sleeping in your case though. If DH is against it than maybe DH can hit the couch.
I second the co-sleeping!! We don't do it anymore but it really helped when we did. It could be colic from what I understand it happens around the same time everyday or night, but usually in the evening or night and they are very hard to console. I would also look into reflux, laying flat will cause a flare up.
Has he always slept in his crib or is this new in the last month?
Has your doctor explored the possibility of reflux? The screaming, arching the back thing sounds like it could be reflux, which Mylicon and Tylenol wouldn't help with. It could also explain why he's fine during the day (usually sitting up) and is crying when he lays down. I had a friend whose son didn't STTN until he was a few years old because of silent reflux. When they finally figured it out and gave him medicine, he STTN with no problems.
this. my dd was doing the same screaming/arching back thing, but it took the pedi three visits to diagnose reflux b/c she never spit up. the only reason they even caught it was when she was laying on her back on the table, the doctor heard her gulping. does he make a gulping noise when he's laying down?
if you can't get right into the pedi to check this, or don't want to, you could try the following:
elevate the side of his crib his head is on, keep him upright for at least 15 minutes after eating.
if these things help, it might be reflux.
good luck, i hope it gets better for you! i know how heartbreaking it is to listen to your LO scream like that!!!
Has your doctor explored the possibility of reflux? The screaming, arching the back thing sounds like it could be reflux, which Mylicon and Tylenol wouldn't help with. It could also explain why he's fine during the day (usually sitting up) and is crying when he lays down. I had a friend whose son didn't STTN until he was a few years old because of silent reflux. When they finally figured it out and gave him medicine, he STTN with no problems.
But he has no problems when he naps during the day...he is actually an excellent napper. Does that make sense?
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Has your doctor explored the possibility of reflux? The screaming, arching the back thing sounds like it could be reflux, which Mylicon and Tylenol wouldn't help with. It could also explain why he's fine during the day (usually sitting up) and is crying when he lays down. I had a friend whose son didn't STTN until he was a few years old because of silent reflux. When they finally figured it out and gave him medicine, he STTN with no problems.
But he has no problems when he naps during the day...he is actually an excellent napper. Does that make sense?
it may be timing of the bottles, if it is reflux. do you put him down for the night right after his bottle? i know for my dd that sets it off and she's miserable all night. if you're not feeding him right before naps but you are right before bed, it could explain it.
I'd try co-sleeping in your case though. If DH is against it than maybe DH can hit the couch.
I second the co-sleeping!! We don't do it anymore but it really helped when we did. It could be colic from what I understand it happens around the same time everyday or night, but usually in the evening or night and they are very hard to console. I would also look into reflux, laying flat will cause a flare up.
Has he always slept in his crib or is this new in the last month?
He has been in his crib since 6 weeks.........he STTN from 6-12 weeks. And again, I am doubting reflux because he is a really good napper.
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it may be timing of the bottles, if it is reflux. do you put him down for the night right after his bottle? i know for my dd that sets it off and she's miserable all night. if you're not feeding him right before naps but you are right before bed, it could explain it.
I guess this could be possible then.........during the Day his routine (when he is with me) is the EASY routine.....so he eats AFTER he naps. But I do BF him right before bed.
How could the pedi diagnose this?
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it may be timing of the bottles, if it is reflux. do you put him down for the night right after his bottle? i know for my dd that sets it off and she's miserable all night. if you're not feeding him right before naps but you are right before bed, it could explain it.
I guess this could be possible then.........during the Day his routine (when he is with me) is the EASY routine.....so he eats AFTER he naps. But I do BF him right before bed.
How could the pedi diagnose this?
i'm not sure how the pedi would diagnose, if he's not having the normal spitup symptom. we were just lucky she was gulping laying flat on her back when my dd was diagnosed. maybe try keeping him up for 20 minutes or so after feeding him and elevating one side of his crib. if this helps even a little, let the pedi know you did it and they may diagnose or at least try medication. we are using zantac and it has been a godsend.
it may be timing of the bottles, if it is reflux. do you put him down for the night right after his bottle? i know for my dd that sets it off and she's miserable all night. if you're not feeding him right before naps but you are right before bed, it could explain it.
I guess this could be possible then.........during the Day his routine (when he is with me) is the EASY routine.....so he eats AFTER he naps. But I do BF him right before bed.
How could the pedi diagnose this?
i have to run, but if you have any questions about our ordeal or just want to talk about it, feel free to pm me or email me at kminor81 at hotmail.
Yup, if he's eating after he naps, then he wouldn't necessarily have problems with reflux during the day. If he BFs right before bed, and you lay him down and he screams, I would definitely consider reflux. I actually have problems with heartburn, and I have a rule where I can't lay down for 30 minutes after eating or drinking, or else I get heartburn. It's the same exact thing with babies.
Yup, if he's eating after he naps, then he wouldn't necessarily have problems with reflux during the day. If he BFs right before bed, and you lay him down and he screams, I would definitely consider reflux. I actually have problems with heartburn, and I have a rule where I can't lay down for 30 minutes after eating or drinking, or else I get heartburn. It's the same exact thing with babies.
Does it make a difference that he goes down the first time VERY easy (typically is still awake and puts himself to sleep) but then wake 1-2 hours later and then about every 1-2 hours throughout the night after that.
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I am going to jump in and suggest reflux as well. My son had violent reflux until 6 months and then it began tapering off. Elevating the mattress helps, keeping them upright at least 30 min helps, sometimes having gentle warm pressure on their tummies helps. There were a few nights that DS and I slept in the lazy boy chair with him in the Moby wrap because it was the only way to get him calm and sleeping. We finally got him on Prevacid and it made a world of difference. I also really closely watched what I ate while breastfeeding to try and help him - avoiding or reducing acidy foods can make a big difference. This is a great website that has a lot of commonly asked questions and ideas for not only diagnosing reflux but treating it.
I'm not sure what the weather is like near you, but when DS gets really worked up and fights going to sleep, DH or I take him outside and bounce him or even take him for a walk. I don't know what it is, but he loves being outside and usually falls asleep very quickly. I know how frustrating it is not getting any sleep and working full time. I hope you can find something that works!
I hope you dont think this is flaming, because it is not my intent... but that is not how either cio or pu/pd works. IF he is inconsolable, he will NEVER self soothe. he might pass out from sheer exhaustion, but he will not learn to soothe. It just doesn't work that way.
How have you been doing pu/pd? Is he normally inconsolable?
ETA: As a Mom of a severe reflux baby, I actually think this it is unlikely. Not only is the nap theory relevant, if his reflus was severe enough to make him cry for 3 hours without being able to soothe him, it would not present only at night. The odds are just against it. I would still tell your pedi to rule it out, but it doesn't make sense. If the pain is so severe at one time a day, it would present even a tiny bit at other times!
I wonder if he is just scared to be in his crib? I know you said he has been in his crib a long time, but perhaps he is associating something negative and needs to be made to feel secure and safe in his room again?
I hope you dont think this is flaming, because it is not my intent... but that is not how either cio or pu/pd works. IF he is inconsolable, he will NEVER self soothe. he might pass out from sheer exhaustion, but he will not learn to soothe. It just doesn't work that way.
How have you been doing pu/pd? Is he normally inconsolable?
ETA: As a Mom of a severe reflux baby, I actually think this it is unlikely. Not only is the nap theory relevant, if his reflus was severe enough to make him cry for 3 hours without being able to soothe him, it would not present only at night. The odds are just against it. I would still tell your pedi to rule it out, but it doesn't make sense. If the pain is so severe at one time a day, it would present even a tiny bit at other times!
I wonder if he is just scared to be in his crib? I know you said he has been in his crib a long time, but perhaps he is associating something negative and needs to be made to feel secure and safe in his room again?
Hang in there...
I know that is not how PUPD typically works........I have been doing PUPD exactly by the book but last night I just figured I would try something else by TRYING to soothe him without picking him up because DH was pressuring me so much to CIO but I couldnt do exactly that.
I dont see what negative association he would have with his crib. And like I said, he goes down initially VERY easily.........but wakes consistantly throughout the middle of the night.
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I'm not going to flame you, but I do think you need to our rule your DH about this. Letting a baby cry for three hours sounds like neglect to me.
How is sitting next to your child trying to soothe him without picking him up = neglect?!? Her DH suggested that they just let him CIO, but she didn't actually do it... geez.
THANKYOU! (i'm too tired to even fight back and defend myself......I'm just looking for some new advice/technique that I have yet to try but I think I've tried it all)
Hey, Jersey Girls gotta stand up for eachother. Hang in there....
I can completely empathize with your frustration. DS does this, too. The only thing I can do to calm him and get him to go back to sleep is to feed him. maybe he just needs the comfort of breastfeeding?
Does he sleep on the way home from daycare if he's going? I read htat you don't get home until a bit later. Maybe try pushing his bedtime back a little because it seems like he's treating his bedtime like a nap.
Does your DH hang out with my DH? They must be part of this secret CIO club because they sound so familar! What you need is a plan. I found that PU/PD didn't work with my 5 month old. It actually made it worse by going in there. Also, how's the napping and feeding during the day? We got to a point at 5.5 mo where DC would start waking up 3 times during the night instead of 1 and decided to do CIO. But we got all of our ducks in a row in advance by making sure DS was getting all his food/calories during the day, napping well during the day. We also came up with a time plan - meaning we'd only go in after 1 hour. The first night I had DH go in every 15 minutes and we did that for 1.5 hour. The second night DH didn't go in at all and it last 15 minutes. Because you've introduced the paci that might be pissing him off even more because he's sucking for food and not getting it. You could try what the Baby Whisperer suggests in deminishing the ounces in the feedings in the middle of the night. Most importantly, give DH a plan so you guys are on the same page. He's probably just tired too and not thinking clearly.
Re: Someone please explain to me.......
THANKYOU! (i'm too tired to even fight back and defend myself......I'm just looking for some new advice/technique that I have yet to try but I think I've tried it all)
I think most of us understand. Just ignore those with low reading comprehension skills. (((hugs))) again.
First, give this to your DH from me for not helping out
<SMACK>
Every baby is different. Everyone has great advice for what worked with their child, but you have your own unique baby. The priority here is YOU and baby getting some rest. You're a working mom, you need sleep, so forget all advice about the "right" things to do and do whatever it freaking takes. Yeah, people tell you not to pick up your baby in the night because it creates bad habits. But you know what's a bad habit? Crying for 3 hours!
YOU need to do whatver you got to do to get some rest. Take him to bed with you if it gets you some sleep. Pick him up and rock him back to sleep if you can. I hope you can get some rest and I am sorry your little one is going through this and your DH is being an assclown.
DMoney will be a kickass big sister
I second the co-sleeping!! We don't do it anymore but it really helped when we did. It could be colic from what I understand it happens around the same time everyday or night, but usually in the evening or night and they are very hard to console. I would also look into reflux, laying flat will cause a flare up.
Has he always slept in his crib or is this new in the last month?
this. my dd was doing the same screaming/arching back thing, but it took the pedi three visits to diagnose reflux b/c she never spit up. the only reason they even caught it was when she was laying on her back on the table, the doctor heard her gulping. does he make a gulping noise when he's laying down?
if you can't get right into the pedi to check this, or don't want to, you could try the following:
elevate the side of his crib his head is on, keep him upright for at least 15 minutes after eating.
if these things help, it might be reflux.
good luck, i hope it gets better for you! i know how heartbreaking it is to listen to your LO scream like that!!!
But he has no problems when he naps during the day...he is actually an excellent napper. Does that make sense?
it may be timing of the bottles, if it is reflux. do you put him down for the night right after his bottle? i know for my dd that sets it off and she's miserable all night. if you're not feeding him right before naps but you are right before bed, it could explain it.
He has been in his crib since 6 weeks.........he STTN from 6-12 weeks. And again, I am doubting reflux because he is a really good napper.
I guess this could be possible then.........during the Day his routine (when he is with me) is the EASY routine.....so he eats AFTER he naps. But I do BF him right before bed.
How could the pedi diagnose this?
i'm not sure how the pedi would diagnose, if he's not having the normal spitup symptom. we were just lucky she was gulping laying flat on her back when my dd was diagnosed. maybe try keeping him up for 20 minutes or so after feeding him and elevating one side of his crib. if this helps even a little, let the pedi know you did it and they may diagnose or at least try medication. we are using zantac and it has been a godsend.
i have to run, but if you have any questions about our ordeal or just want to talk about it, feel free to pm me or email me at kminor81 at hotmail.
Yup, if he's eating after he naps, then he wouldn't necessarily have problems with reflux during the day. If he BFs right before bed, and you lay him down and he screams, I would definitely consider reflux. I actually have problems with heartburn, and I have a rule where I can't lay down for 30 minutes after eating or drinking, or else I get heartburn. It's the same exact thing with babies.
Does it make a difference that he goes down the first time VERY easy (typically is still awake and puts himself to sleep) but then wake 1-2 hours later and then about every 1-2 hours throughout the night after that.
I am going to jump in and suggest reflux as well. My son had violent reflux until 6 months and then it began tapering off. Elevating the mattress helps, keeping them upright at least 30 min helps, sometimes having gentle warm pressure on their tummies helps. There were a few nights that DS and I slept in the lazy boy chair with him in the Moby wrap because it was the only way to get him calm and sleeping. We finally got him on Prevacid and it made a world of difference. I also really closely watched what I ate while breastfeeding to try and help him - avoiding or reducing acidy foods can make a big difference. This is a great website that has a lot of commonly asked questions and ideas for not only diagnosing reflux but treating it.
https://infantrefluxdisease.com/infant_acid_reflux/
I'm not sure what the weather is like near you, but when DS gets really worked up and fights going to sleep, DH or I take him outside and bounce him or even take him for a walk. I don't know what it is, but he loves being outside and usually falls asleep very quickly. I know how frustrating it is not getting any sleep and working full time. I hope you can find something that works!
I hope you dont think this is flaming, because it is not my intent... but that is not how either cio or pu/pd works. IF he is inconsolable, he will NEVER self soothe. he might pass out from sheer exhaustion, but he will not learn to soothe. It just doesn't work that way.
How have you been doing pu/pd? Is he normally inconsolable?
ETA: As a Mom of a severe reflux baby, I actually think this it is unlikely. Not only is the nap theory relevant, if his reflus was severe enough to make him cry for 3 hours without being able to soothe him, it would not present only at night. The odds are just against it. I would still tell your pedi to rule it out, but it doesn't make sense. If the pain is so severe at one time a day, it would present even a tiny bit at other times!
I wonder if he is just scared to be in his crib? I know you said he has been in his crib a long time, but perhaps he is associating something negative and needs to be made to feel secure and safe in his room again?
Hang in there...
I know that is not how PUPD typically works........I have been doing PUPD exactly by the book but last night I just figured I would try something else by TRYING to soothe him without picking him up because DH was pressuring me so much to CIO but I couldnt do exactly that.
I dont see what negative association he would have with his crib. And like I said, he goes down initially VERY easily.........but wakes consistantly throughout the middle of the night.
Hey, Jersey Girls gotta stand up for eachother. Hang in there....
Does your DH hang out with my DH? They must be part of this secret CIO club because they sound so familar! What you need is a plan. I found that PU/PD didn't work with my 5 month old. It actually made it worse by going in there. Also, how's the napping and feeding during the day? We got to a point at 5.5 mo where DC would start waking up 3 times during the night instead of 1 and decided to do CIO. But we got all of our ducks in a row in advance by making sure DS was getting all his food/calories during the day, napping well during the day. We also came up with a time plan - meaning we'd only go in after 1 hour. The first night I had DH go in every 15 minutes and we did that for 1.5 hour. The second night DH didn't go in at all and it last 15 minutes. Because you've introduced the paci that might be pissing him off even more because he's sucking for food and not getting it. You could try what the Baby Whisperer suggests in deminishing the ounces in the feedings in the middle of the night. Most importantly, give DH a plan so you guys are on the same page. He's probably just tired too and not thinking clearly.