A craiglist nazi on car seats - LONG

elevendiamonds · March 2009

So I posted a wanted ad for a used toddler car seat for forward facing for my 13 month old. (for my DH's car - to be used to drop Zoe off in the morning at daycare - 4 blocks away)

This is one of the responses:

Hi there,

I noticed your wanted ad on Craigslist, and just wanted to pass on some information I found while researching car seats for my own kids. I noticed you said you wanted your daughter, who is 13 months, to be in a forward facing car seat. The purpose of a convertible car seat is to keep the child rear facing once they have outgrown their infant seat, until they reach the maximum weight limit for rear facing, and then use the seat forward facing.

It is recommended by Child Passenger Safety Technicians as well as the American Academy of Pediatrics to keep children rear-facing to 30-35lbs and at least two years of age. A lot of people aren't aware of that, because all we are told are the laws, 1 and 20lbs to forward face, but those laws were made several years ago when there were no seats on the Canadian market that rear-faced to higher weight limits. In Sweden, they actually rear face their children until 4-5 years old, and they have the lowest children's traffic fatality rate in the world.

Anyways, here are some links that might be informative for you:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2DVfqFhseo

https://www.cpsafety.com/articles/StayRearFacing.aspx

https://www.carseat.org/Technical/tech_update.htm#rearfacFF

Best of luck to you and your daughter.

Then I replied (I don't know why I bothered):

Thanks. I have all that information. My daughter is very long and her legs are too long to be rear-facing still. Her feet (in the rear-facing position) are flat up against the back of the seat. That is extremely dangerous as well.

To which she replied:

I understand your concern about her legs. That is actually a very common misconception. In fact, there has never been a documented case of leg injury in a rear facing child. Statistically, leg injuries are far more common in a forward facing child. However, the risk of neck injury, including internal decapitation (the child's head becoming separated from their spine but still attached by the skin) is 500% greater in a forward facing child under age 2 than in a rear facing child the same age. I actually know someone who's child was forward facing at 18 months and was in a low speed collision. He has permanent spinal injuries that would not have occured if he were rear facing. Legs can be fixed, spinal cords cannot.

I'm attaching a document that I really urge you to look at before turning your daughter forward facing. From one parent to another, I don't want anyone to have to learn this the hard way. The attachment

What I should have done was responded to her first response with "Do you have a car seat for sale?"

I knew there were the breast-feeding nazi types. I wasn't thinking there was also car seat nazi's!

juietbride · March 2009

WOW! I had no idea that you would get so much unsolicited information on craiglist.

Toni1019 · March 2009

Ughhhhhh Stuff like that bugs me too!

citygirl_ · March 2009

elevendiamonds:

So I posted a wanted ad for a used toddler car seat for forward facing for my 13 month old. (for my DH's car - to be used to drop Zoe off in the morning at daycare - 4 blocks away)

This is one of the responses:

Hi there,

I noticed your wanted ad on Craigslist, and just wanted to pass on some information I found while researching car seats for my own kids. I noticed you said you wanted your daughter, who is 13 months, to be in a forward facing car seat. The purpose of a convertible car seat is to keep the child rear facing once they have outgrown their infant seat, until they reach the maximum weight limit for rear facing, and then use the seat forward facing.

It is recommended by Child Passenger Safety Technicians as well as the American Academy of Pediatrics to keep children rear-facing to 30-35lbs and at least two years of age. A lot of people aren't aware of that, because all we are told are the laws, 1 and 20lbs to forward face, but those laws were made several years ago when there were no seats on the Canadian market that rear-faced to higher weight limits. In Sweden, they actually rear face their children until 4-5 years old, and they have the lowest children's traffic fatality rate in the world.

Anyways, here are some links that might be informative for you:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2DVfqFhseo

https://www.cpsafety.com/articles/StayRearFacing.aspx

https://www.carseat.org/Technical/tech_update.htm#rearfacFF

Best of luck to you and your daughter.

Then I replied (I don't know why I bothered):

Thanks. I have all that information. My daughter is very long and her legs are too long to be rear-facing still. Her feet (in the rear-facing position) are flat up against the back of the seat. That is extremely dangerous as well.

To which she replied:

I understand your concern about her legs. That is actually a very common misconception. In fact, there has never been a documented case of leg injury in a rear facing child. Statistically, leg injuries are far more common in a forward facing child. However, the risk of neck injury, including internal decapitation (the child's head becoming separated from their spine but still attached by the skin) is 500% greater in a forward facing child under age 2 than in a rear facing child the same age. I actually know someone who's child was forward facing at 18 months and was in a low speed collision. He has permanent spinal injuries that would not have occured if he were rear facing. Legs can be fixed, spinal cords cannot.

I'm attaching a document that I really urge you to look at before turning your daughter forward facing. From one parent to another, I don't want anyone to have to learn this the hard way. The attachment

What I should have done was responded to her first response with "Do you have a car seat for sale?"

I knew there were the breast-feeding nazi types. I wasn't thinking there was also car seat nazi's!

Be prepared b/c there are tons of "car seat nazis" on here. FWIW, you CAN still RF, even if your daughter's legs touch the seat... it's perfectly fine. I mean, to an extent, it is... after a certain length, I would imagine that a lot of damage can be done with a RF child, but at 13 months? Doubtful. But it's your call! Just know there are tons of people very passionate about car seat safety.

ms_mellor · March 2009

WOW!! Although we are keeping Ruari rear facing even though she's super long too, that's our choice, and I would NEVER lecture someone like that. I think that may be someone with too much time on their hands. I bet she just waits for ads on Craigslist that 'offend' her.

elevendiamonds · March 2009

juietbride:
WOW! I had no idea that you would get so much unsolicited information on craiglist.

no kidding. Not saying that the info she had isn't valuable...

candm · March 2009

Honestly, I don't think she was lecturing. I think she was very polite. Her tone implied that maybe you'd just never heard of this. She stated that she didn't know it until recently herself. If you choose not to keep your child RF'ing that's fine--it's your right. BUT she was only trying to help. Give her a break.

And for what it's worth, she's right. Your daughter's legs RF'ing are at much lower risk for injury than her neck/spinal cord is FF'ing. But again, it's completely your choice.

Collski:-) · March 2009

I was hesitant as well, however, if the car seat is properly installed, and the child is fastened correctly, the risk is much less. My pediatrician told me last week the american association of Peds say 20lbs and 1 year to forward face.

CMM05 · March 2009

How annoying!!!!

elevendiamonds · March 2009

citygirl_:
elevendiamonds:

So I posted a wanted ad for a used toddler car seat for forward facing for my 13 month old. (for my DH's car - to be used to drop Zoe off in the morning at daycare - 4 blocks away)

This is one of the responses:

Hi there,

I noticed your wanted ad on Craigslist, and just wanted to pass on some information I found while researching car seats for my own kids. I noticed you said you wanted your daughter, who is 13 months, to be in a forward facing car seat. The purpose of a convertible car seat is to keep the child rear facing once they have outgrown their infant seat, until they reach the maximum weight limit for rear facing, and then use the seat forward facing.

It is recommended by Child Passenger Safety Technicians as well as the American Academy of Pediatrics to keep children rear-facing to 30-35lbs and at least two years of age. A lot of people aren't aware of that, because all we are told are the laws, 1 and 20lbs to forward face, but those laws were made several years ago when there were no seats on the Canadian market that rear-faced to higher weight limits. In Sweden, they actually rear face their children until 4-5 years old, and they have the lowest children's traffic fatality rate in the world.

Anyways, here are some links that might be informative for you:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2DVfqFhseo

https://www.cpsafety.com/articles/StayRearFacing.aspx

https://www.carseat.org/Technical/tech_update.htm#rearfacFF

Best of luck to you and your daughter.

Then I replied (I don't know why I bothered):

Thanks. I have all that information. My daughter is very long and her legs are too long to be rear-facing still. Her feet (in the rear-facing position) are flat up against the back of the seat. That is extremely dangerous as well.

To which she replied:

I understand your concern about her legs. That is actually a very common misconception. In fact, there has never been a documented case of leg injury in a rear facing child. Statistically, leg injuries are far more common in a forward facing child. However, the risk of neck injury, including internal decapitation (the child's head becoming separated from their spine but still attached by the skin) is 500% greater in a forward facing child under age 2 than in a rear facing child the same age. I actually know someone who's child was forward facing at 18 months and was in a low speed collision. He has permanent spinal injuries that would not have occured if he were rear facing. Legs can be fixed, spinal cords cannot.

I'm attaching a document that I really urge you to look at before turning your daughter forward facing. From one parent to another, I don't want anyone to have to learn this the hard way. The attachment

What I should have done was responded to her first response with "Do you have a car seat for sale?"

I knew there were the breast-feeding nazi types. I wasn't thinking there was also car seat nazi's!

Be prepared b/c there are tons of "car seat nazis" on here. FWIW, you CAN still RF, even if your daughter's legs touch the seat... it's perfectly fine. I mean, to an extent, it is... after a certain length, I would imagine that a lot of damage can be done with a RF child, but at 13 months? Doubtful. But it's your call! Just know there are tons of people very passionate about car seat safety.

This is one of those situations where the person doesn't know the situation whatsoever. Our pedi said she was too long for rear-facing. I'm all for safety but unsolicited crap like that leaves a bad taste.

bim38106 · March 2009

I can understand the annoyance, but she's probably just really passionate and has way too much time on her hands She was polite about it and it sounds like she is just genuinely concerned for toddlers' safety because, even though you are, a lot of people aren't informed. Sounds like she was just trying to be helpful...even though it's a bit out there.. LOL

And Collski, I'm not trying to lecture, I promise But just so you know, the AAP states that's the earliest you can FF, not necessarily when you should:

HERE is the AAP website on it

It is best to ride rear-facing as long as possible. Children 1 year of age and at least 20 pounds can ride forward-facing.

Mama Jan · March 2009

LOL, it was probably some Nest mom!

bim38106 · March 2009

eleven, how tall is your DD that the pedi said that? DD's feet are flat against the seat now and I'm wondering if I'd be better off switching her to the marathon (instead of the roundabout that's in my car) because there's at least another inch or 2 of growing room for her legs in there... I've been wondering how much of a safety issue that is, even though they say kids could sit cross-legged, DD definitely doesn't!

bim38106 · March 2009

Mama Jan:
LOL, it was probably some Nest mom!

LOL no kidding. I think people are way more passionate about it on here, while IRL, people have never even heard of it!

candm · March 2009

elevendiamonds:

This is one of those situations where the person doesn't know the situation whatsoever. Our pedi said she was too long for rear-facing. I'm all for safety but unsolicited crap like that leaves a bad taste.

Again, totally your choice, but your pediatrician was wrong.

Here is the AAP's recommendation:

The right car safety seat

Infants?rear-facing

The American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) recommends that all infants should ride rear-facing starting with their first ride home from the hospital. They should remain rear-facing until they reach the highest weight or height allowed by their car safety seat?s manufacturer. At a minimum, children should ride rear-facing until they have reached at least 1 year of age and weigh at least 20 pounds.

You can find it here:

https://www.aap.org/healthtopics/carseatsafety.cfm

elevendiamonds · March 2009

bim38106:
eleven, how tall is your DD that the pedi said that? DD's feet are flat against the seat now and I'm wondering if I'd be better off switching her to the marathon (instead of the roundabout that's in my car) because there's at least another inch or 2 of growing room for her legs in there... I've been wondering how much of a safety issue that is, even though they say kids could sit cross-legged, DD definitely doesn't!

I can't remember exactly but I 'think' 78 cm? She's 90th percentile (THAT I remember) for height.

bim38106 · March 2009

elevendiamonds:
bim38106:
eleven, how tall is your DD that the pedi said that? DD's feet are flat against the seat now and I'm wondering if I'd be better off switching her to the marathon (instead of the roundabout that's in my car) because there's at least another inch or 2 of growing room for her legs in there... I've been wondering how much of a safety issue that is, even though they say kids could sit cross-legged, DD definitely doesn't!
I can't remember exactly but I 'think' 78 cm? She's 90th percentile (THAT I remember) for height.

Thanks. DD must be right around that too because she's usually 90th-ish percentile for height...

Temp174496125006552 · March 2009

MamaJan~ The first thing I thought was, "This woman is totally a nestie."

That being said, I think her intentions were good and the information that she sited is correct. I think that you felt your parenting skills were being attacked and you got defensive. Nothing wrong with that...and who knows, I may react the same way if someone told me something I was doing with my son was wrong.

FWIW, we plan on keeping Ben RF as long as possible (at least until he's 2). After doing the research, I think it's just safer. That's my choice.

elevendiamonds · March 2009

For the Britax Marathon - the car seat Zoe has:

From the Britax site:

Use rear-facing for children who weigh 2.3?13.6 kg (5?30 lbs.) and
whose height is between 45.7 and 81.3 cm (18?32 in.)

? Use forward-facing for children who weigh between 9.1 and 29.5
kg (20?65 lbs.) and whose height is between 73.7 and 124.5 cm
(29?49 in.).

At 11 months she was (I looked it up) 79 cm. Totally fine for putting forward-facing.

SuperCuteBenz · March 2009

She isn't in any danger with her feet on the back seat. There is no evidence saying it is unsafe.

The recommendation is to rear-face to the limit of the seat.

My DD is 30 inches and perfectly fine rear-facing.

SuperCuteBenz · March 2009

I am shocked no one said anything about requesting a used seat. You shouldn't use a seat if you don't know the history of it.

elevendiamonds · March 2009

SuperCuteBenz:
I am shocked no one said anything about requesting a used seat. You shouldn't use a seat if you don't know the history of it.

We wouldn't consider it if it wasn't literally for a four block radius. In a residential neighbourhood (no busy streets).

PenguinGirl06 · March 2009

elevendiamonds:
For the Britax Marathon - the car seat Zoe has:
From the Britax site:
Use rear-facing for children who weigh 2.3?13.6 kg (5?30 lbs.) and
whose height is between 45.7 and 81.3 cm (18?32 in.)

? Use forward-facing for children who weigh between 9.1 and 29.5
kg (20?65 lbs.) and whose height is between 73.7 and 124.5 cm
(29?49 in.).
At 11 months she was (I looked it up) 79 cm. Totally fine for putting forward-facing.

It's a year AND 20 pounds. ?My son is about 32" and his feet def. reach the seat, but he is just fine rear-facing. ?Britax also says the child can remain rear-facing until his/her head is within 1 inch of the top of the car seat. ?

You certainly are entitled to your personal preference, but there's no arguing that rear-facing is the safest option at this stage. ??

elevendiamonds · March 2009

PenguinGirl06:
elevendiamonds:
For the Britax Marathon - the car seat Zoe has:
From the Britax site:
Use rear-facing for children who weigh 2.3?13.6 kg (5?30 lbs.) and
whose height is between 45.7 and 81.3 cm (18?32 in.)

? Use forward-facing for children who weigh between 9.1 and 29.5
kg (20?65 lbs.) and whose height is between 73.7 and 124.5 cm
(29?49 in.).
At 11 months she was (I looked it up) 79 cm. Totally fine for putting forward-facing.
It's a year AND 20 pounds. My son is about 32" and his feet def. reach the seat, but he is just fine rear-facing. Britax also says the child can remain rear-facing until his/her head is within 1 inch of the top of the car seat.
You certainly are entitled to your personal preference, but there's no arguing that rear-facing is the safest option at this stage.

She is now 13 months (as stated in the OP). She was 12 months when we moved her FF. At 11 months she was already 79cm.

citygirl_ · March 2009

ms_mellor:
WOW!! Although we are keeping Ruari rear facing even though she's super long too, that's our choice, and I would NEVER lecture someone like that. I think that may be someone with too much time on their hands. I bet she just waits for ads on Craigslist that 'offend' her.

There are sooo many people like that on CL... My friend posted a piece of furniture that the previous ownera t her house as "shabby chic" and got a furious response, calling it "shabby sh!t" and harped on and on abotu how she shouldn't call it that, etc... cuckoo!

Rah · March 2009

Maybe if she would have said in one single sentence a quick FYI in case you were unaware of car seat safety and then at that point if you were interested you could have inquired more. She may have had good intentions but you were not asking an opinion you were asking if a car seat is for sale.

Yep, ditto pp - she's a nestie!

elevendiamonds · March 2009

Rah:
Maybe if she would have said in one single sentence a quick FYI in case you were unaware of car seat safety and then at that point if you were interested you could have inquired more. She may have had good intentions but you were not asking an opinion you were asking if a car seat is for sale.

Yep, ditto pp - she's a nestie!

YES! And LOL!!!

mattnlinz03 · March 2009

elevendiamonds:

For the Britax Marathon - the car seat Zoe has:

From the Britax site:

Use rear-facing for children who weigh 2.3?13.6 kg (5?30 lbs.) and
whose height is between 45.7 and 81.3 cm (18?32 in.)

? Use forward-facing for children who weigh between 9.1 and 29.5
kg (20?65 lbs.) and whose height is between 73.7 and 124.5 cm
(29?49 in.).

At 11 months she was (I looked it up) 79 cm. Totally fine for putting forward-facing.

We have the marathon also and DS is 31 inches tall and still RF. I just checked the user manual online and this is what it said about height.

The only reason I looked at it is because I thought there is no way that I am going to move DS FF when he reaches 32 inches tall. I would not have spent that kind of money on a seat that wouldn't be able to keep him RF for at least 18 months if not 24.

Rear-Facing Weight 5 ? 35 pounds (2.3 ? 15.9 kg.). Only use rear-facing with children: ? who weigh between 5 and 35 lbs. (2.3 ? 15.9 kg.) and ? when the top of the child?s head is 1? (2.5 cm.) or more below the top of the child seat shell (Fig. A) and ? when the harness straps are located in the nearest slots at or below the child?s shoulders (Fig A).

elevendiamonds · March 2009

mattnlinz03:
elevendiamonds:

For the Britax Marathon - the car seat Zoe has:

From the Britax site:

Use rear-facing for children who weigh 2.3?13.6 kg (5?30 lbs.) and
whose height is between 45.7 and 81.3 cm (18?32 in.)

? Use forward-facing for children who weigh between 9.1 and 29.5
kg (20?65 lbs.) and whose height is between 73.7 and 124.5 cm
(29?49 in.).

At 11 months she was (I looked it up) 79 cm. Totally fine for putting forward-facing.

We have the marathon also and DS is 31 inches tall and still RF. I just checked the user manual online and this is what it said about height.

The only reason I looked at it is because I thought there is no way that I am going to move DS FF when he reaches 32 inches tall. I would not have spent that kind of money on a seat that wouldn't be able to keep him RF for at least 18 months if not 24.

Rear-Facing
Weight 5 ? 35 pounds (2.3 ? 15.9 kg.). Only use rear-facing with children:
? who weigh between 5 and 35 lbs. (2.3 ? 15.9 kg.) and

? when the top of the child?s head is 1? (2.5 cm.)

or more below the top of the child seat shell

(Fig. A) and

? when the harness straps are located in the nearest

slots at or below the child?s shoulders (Fig A).

The specifications in Canada are different. American car seats aren't legal here.

candm · March 2009

elevendiamonds:
For the Britax Marathon - the car seat Zoe has:
From the Britax site:
Use rear-facing for children who weigh 2.3?13.6 kg (5?30 lbs.) and
whose height is between 45.7 and 81.3 cm (18?32 in.)

? Use forward-facing for children who weigh between 9.1 and 29.5
kg (20?65 lbs.) and whose height is between 73.7 and 124.5 cm
(29?49 in.).
At 11 months she was (I looked it up) 79 cm. Totally fine for putting forward-facing.

Maybe the Britax Marathons in Canada are slightly different w/different limits? B/c our Britax Marathon says:

RF'ing 5-35lbs and until top of head is w/i 1 inch of top of seat. It doesn't have any restrictions on height other than this. DD was 31 1/4 inches at 12months (taller now, but I'm not sure how tall) and she is no where near tall enough to justify turning FF'ing yet. She still has 2 should slots to go before she's there (she's in the second shoulder slot from the bottom).

elevendiamonds · March 2009

candm:
elevendiamonds:
For the Britax Marathon - the car seat Zoe has:
From the Britax site:
Use rear-facing for children who weigh 2.3?13.6 kg (5?30 lbs.) and
whose height is between 45.7 and 81.3 cm (18?32 in.)

? Use forward-facing for children who weigh between 9.1 and 29.5
kg (20?65 lbs.) and whose height is between 73.7 and 124.5 cm
(29?49 in.).
At 11 months she was (I looked it up) 79 cm. Totally fine for putting forward-facing.
Maybe the Britax Marathons in Canada are slightly different w/different limits? B/c our Britax Marathon says:
RF'ing 5-35lbs and until top of head is w/i 1 inch of top of seat. It doesn't have any restrictions on height other than this. DD was 31 1/4 inches at 12months (taller now, but I'm not sure how tall) and she is no where near tall enough to justify turning FF'ing yet. She still has 2 should slots to go before she's there (she's in the second shoulder slot from the bottom).

Must be - even the manual is different, as well as the specifications.

mattnlinz03 · March 2009

Oh sorry. Didn't see that you were in Canada.

Toni1019 · March 2009

elevendiamonds:

The specifications in Canada are different. American car seats aren't legal here.

I always wondered this. Living in Michigan and working at BRU, we see some Canadians, and before I got pregnant I worked in the Baby Gear department and I would always have them asking me if the seats were OK for Canada or not because the standards are much different. I always felt bad because I couldnt tell them, because I dont know Canadas standards. I should have asked on here, lol

jodynjames2005 · March 2009

candm:

Honestly, I don't think she was lecturing. I think she was very polite. Her tone implied that maybe you'd just never heard of this. She stated that she didn't know it until recently herself. If you choose not to keep your child RF'ing that's fine--it's your right. BUT she was only trying to help. Give her a break.

And for what it's worth, she's right. Your daughter's legs RF'ing are at much lower risk for injury than her neck/spinal cord is FF'ing. But again, it's completely your choice.

Yeah. Exactly.

The information she gave you is correct... including the 500% greater risk of decapitation AND that it isn't actually dangerous at all for her feet to touch the back of the seat. She was trying to help protect your child, and she did it quite nicely, actually.

stacey811 · March 2009

Wow! My first thought was that this person is probably a nestie because I have never heard of keeping your child rear-facing that long until I came on here. Second, it's not her job to lecture you on the dangers of turning around early. Really, she's 13 months, I can understand if she was a lot younger but jeez. I turned around my DS at 1 year because he hated it and he is a big boy! I really only drive about 2 miles to daycare every day so I don't feel I need to keep him rear facing, plus the pedi told me I could turn him around now. I don't get why people think because you do things differently than them you are wrong. You are following the laws, so who cares??

elevendiamonds · March 2009

jodynjames2005:
candm:

Honestly, I don't think she was lecturing. I think she was very polite. Her tone implied that maybe you'd just never heard of this. She stated that she didn't know it until recently herself. If you choose not to keep your child RF'ing that's fine--it's your right. BUT she was only trying to help. Give her a break.

And for what it's worth, she's right. Your daughter's legs RF'ing are at much lower risk for injury than her neck/spinal cord is FF'ing. But again, it's completely your choice.

Yeah. Exactly.

The information she gave you is correct... including the 500% greater risk of decapitation AND that it isn't actually dangerous at all for her feet to touch the back of the seat. She was trying to help protect your child, and she did it quite nicely, actually.

read the rest of the post. I think I'll take the word of the manufacturer and my pedi over the info of a complete stranger on craigslist who obviously just wants to be right.

jodynjames2005 · March 2009

I actually looked up information on Britax carseats and the ones in Canada are exactly the same carseats as the ones sold in the US, they are simply labeled differently and have bilingual manuals.

But, ok.

elevendiamonds · March 2009

jodynjames2005:
I actually looked up information on Britax carseats and the ones in Canada are exactly the same carseats as the ones sold in the US, they are simply labeled differently and have bilingual manuals.

But, ok.

the US manuals do not talk about length. The Canadian ones do. They are different standards. I don't make up the rules!

lanie26 · March 2009

Toni1019:
elevendiamonds:

The specifications in Canada are different. American car seats aren't legal here.

I always wondered this. Living in Michigan and working at BRU, we see some Canadians, and before I got pregnant I worked in the Baby Gear department and I would always have them asking me if the seats were OK for Canada or not because the standards are much different. I always felt bad because I couldnt tell them, because I dont know Canadas standards. I should have asked on here, lol

Yeah they are VERY different. You cannot legally use an american carseat here. You'd get a big fine. So you can tell people absolutely not. Unless they have the transport Canada sign on them, forget it.

There are a number of seats that US has approved that didn't pass our own standards.

MirandaHobbes · March 2009

If I saw this my first thought would be: I bet this girl is a nestie.

Toosdai · March 2009

It was probably SuperCuteBenz, she's going to have her teenager rear-facing.

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