UO!!

poppyseed1017

LiliDragon:

bigbootyjudi:

I'm out.White people can most definitely be discriminated against and if that hasn't been your experience, then lucky you.But don't come on here and tell me it doesn't happen when you've never been cornered into a hallway and had the shitt beat out of you by 4 girls just because you were a "rich, white girl from the 'burbs."nbsp;Oh and I should mention that out of the 5 people involved in that fight, I was the only one that was suspended...for 3 days.Also, that was my second day of school, I was an all A student, and had never been in trouble in my life beforehand.So, ya know, I guess because I'm white I wasn't racially profiled, discriminated against, then bullied in a severe fashion....I was just in the wrong hallway at the wrong time. ETA: I should mention that all girls involved, as well as both principals, and the school counselor were AA, if that matters.

BBJ, I love you and that's why I'm telling you that I think your situation may have tainted your opinion here. Racism is rampant in the justice system. Period. Full stop. That's a fact that is statistically supported. Racial profiling is rampant. The fact that you were beaten up in school because you were white is awful, but it is a non sequitur.

Exactly.

 

BBJ, what you experienced is called bullying.  There's a difference.

 

rp-chicago-mom

bigbootyjudi:

I'm out.

White people can most definitely be discriminated against and if that hasn't been your experience, then lucky you.

But don't come on here and tell me it doesn't happen when you've never been cornered into a hallway and had the shitt beat out of you by 4 girls just because you were a "rich, white girl from the 'burbs." 

Oh and I should mention that out of the 5 people involved in that fight, I was the only one that was suspended...for 3 days.

Also, that was my second day of school, I was an all A student, and had never been in trouble in my life beforehand.

So, ya know, I guess because I'm white I wasn't racially profiled, discriminated against, then bullied in a severe fashion....I was just in the wrong hallway at the wrong time.

ETA: I should mention that all girls involved, as well as both principals, and the school counselor were AA, if that matters.

Just in case you misunderstood anything I said, I thoroughly believe that happens. I know enough teachers in the Chicago Public Schools to know that happens. Racism and prejudice can happen to anyone about anything. It has little to do with TM because it isn't the same situation. Neither of us will ever know what it's like to be racially profiled as a black man because neither of us are black males. It's a different prejudice with different implications and that's why I was saying it's a moot point. Not because I doubt that happened to you but because it doesn't change how I see this other instance. 

Cheerilee

AggieDaner:

Baker_Bride:

Cheerilee:

AggieDaner:

Holy hell, it's like in taking crazy pills. WHO is saying that he should have magically been convicted of murder? Nobody is arguing that! This turned into a shitstorm because people started saying that white people have it just as bad as minorities, etc, NOT because anyone thinks the jury fcked up the verdict!

This is exactly how I read the thread. The race piece plays a part in 'if TM was white, the verdict would have been different.'

I am more from the camp that if he were white, he would still be alive.  

This is what I read, too. Not that the verdict would change, but that trayvon never would have been stalked in the first place.

I like a lot of the people I'm disagreeing with here, I just don't like their opinions.

I actually think if he was white and suspicious looking [ie. looking the part of a band of boys breaking into houses in the neighborhood], GZ would have reacted the same way. Therein lies my opinion in this matter.

Also, what happened to BBJ was because of race. It wasn't simply bullying. If she'd been AA in a primarily white school and it happened then, would it only be bullying?

Edit: The second part is in response to another comment, not Aggie's!

amaite

Scout2005:

What happened to BBJ is awful.It's totally, 100 irrelevant to this discussion. No one is arguing that there is racism among all the races. There is not however systemic, institutionalized prejudice in every crevice of our society against white people.To compare isolated instances to the larger fabric of racism in America is just...I don't know what else to say.nbsp; Trying to use it as a backdoor excuse for the actions of Zimmerman defies my understanding.nbsp;

This.

Bbj, it sounds like you were able to go to a different school the following year and get away from it. That's not how it works with systemic racism.

gollywollypog

Scout2005:

What happened to BBJ is awful.

It's totally, 100% irrelevant to this discussion. No one is arguing that there is racism among all the races. There is not however systemic, institutionalized prejudice in every crevice of our society against white people.

To compare isolated instances to the larger fabric of racism in America is just...I don't know what else to say. 

Trying to use it as a backdoor excuse for the actions of Zimmerman defies my understanding. 

  Scout, you make everything that comes out of my mouth (and everything I put together inside my head) sound like Gomer Pyle. 

ILY.

Rhomonk

Scout2005:

OMFG

Sending you one of these:

 

melmarie26

Chocolate, bacon, avocado, cream cheese icing, in any combination really make me want to fall in love and get married all over again.

I love Cuban cuisine !!! I'm from central Florida and we had some amazing authentic Cuban restaurants !!! A proper Cuban breakfast is to die for....

This whole thread made me lose an hour of life I'll never get back. I can't help but, to have lost a bit of respect for a few of you. I'm sorry. Truth.

Truth is, there is so much more to discrimination than just race. There is elder discrimination, teen discrimination, teen mother prejudices and ethnic discrimination.

I'm just saying, that this whole GZ trial was a dog and pony show. Elected officials even stated that he was arrested initially due public pressures. I in no way think the investigation, trial and lack of conviction was handled properly.

Biitching about this stuff solves nothing. Demonstrate to your children love and empathy for everyone, everywhere, in every situation. They learn from you. They become what you surround them with, eventually.

Nothing changes if nothing changes.

hooslisa

ks3pink:

Scout2005:

What TM did or did not do in the past is irrelevant, and the fact that it's being brought up here as some roundabout victim blaming is f'ucking infuriating.Unbelievable folks. Seriously.And BBJ, being called "stuck up" is a far cry from the Nword. And frankly, I doubt you daily feared for your life because someone said your daddy bought you a purse. Every 17 year old AA man in this country is right to be terrified for their safety right now.nbsp;It's not even apples and oranges. It's apples and carburetors.nbsp; Not even in the same category.

:slow clap: Believe it or not I completely agree with you on this issue.

 

holy sh!t.  i felt a tremor in the universe and came back to inspect.  i'm hiding under my desk for the foreseeable future.

hooslisa

Scout2005:

Lisa, I saw you. Join me in a Summer Ale?

 

cheers!