I don't think I understand... RE: Jr., III, etc.

JaysonandKristin

When a family has generations that pass down names, do you have to use the name in its entirety to dub a child a Junior, III, etc.?

For example, I met a woman a few days ago that has a son named Joey, IV, but his dad is Joe, III, whose father is Joseph, Jr., whose father is Jose.

I'm confused. 

So, the birth certificates in this tree looks like this:

Jose (no MN) LN

Joseph (no MN) LN, Jr.

Joe (no MN), III

Joey MN LN, IV

Perhaps I just have no idea what I'm talking about, but I thought the idea was to use an entire name throughout the generations.  Who knows about this, and can either school me or affirm what I thought I knew?

Helenahhandbasket

You are right-- in order to technically be a Jr (or III and so on) the entire name should be the same-- including middle.

However-- you can name your kid anything you want.  So if I want to name my next DC Pineapple Hosegarden VIII, I can do that.

bobcee

Were those the actual names on the birth certificates or just variations of their given names in order to clarify which was which.  I thought technically you had to have the exact given name to be considered a jr. or II, III, etc....

JaysonandKristin

I specifically asked, and these were the names on the actual birth certificates.  

For me, the move from Jose to Joseph wasn't what caught my eye... it was the transition from Joseph to Joe to Joey.  

And, I totally get that we can put whatever on the BCs.  I was just wondering if "protocol" dictated otherwise.  We have NO juniors, etc. in my family for as far back as my grandmothers can tell me.

Thanks, ladies. 

Dr.Loretta

Traditionally the names have to match to use that designation, eg Joseph John Sr, Joseph John Jr (or Joseph Edward II), Joseph John III. But there are some personal and cultural variations

salt78

Yeeeah I thought the idea was also to use the same full name (first and middle).

caittozer

It's my understanding that in order to be a Jr, III and what not the FN MN and LN should all match. My husband is Joseph Robert and his father is Joseph Ralph so my Joe is not a junior because they have different middle names. His PGF is Joseph Ralph so his dad is a junior. Side note, too many Josephs in this family and I will not be continuing the tradition despite my husband wanting to name his son Joseph.

Keri Marie

Yes, it would be the exact same name, thus the need for the Jr/I/II...

My son is Clifton Michael LN, named after G-Grandpa Clifton Mountain LN. because the MN's are different there is no need for a number. If the names were the same, my son would not me Jr. but II "the second".

ferris0906

Helenahhandbasket:

You are right-- in order to technically be a Jr (or III and so on) the entire name should be the same-- including middle.

However-- you can name your kid anything you want.  So if I want to name my next DC Pineapple Hosegarden VIII, I can do that.

AWESOME name.  If I was going to have another child, I would name steal this from you.