This might be long - but I value the opinions of you ladies, and sometimes it is just good to get this all out!
We should have had an egg transfer last Thursday. We got a call Monday that none of my eggs made the thaw to be fertilized. We were just crushed. My doctor had said that they have about a 90% thaw rate. So we expected we might lose 1-2 (I had 6 eggs banked). We never expected to lose everything. I know he didn't expect it either. I do believe he thought this was the best option for us. But we are just not sure why he suggested we bank eggs vs. embryos.
At our WTF appointment Monday, we brought research that we found. Everything I read says that egg banking is for younger women, without partners, or women going through chemo etc. So we asked him - why would he suggest egg banking over embryos when I have a partner. Embryo freezing is more routine, has higher success rates, egg freezing is still in the early stages.
The reasoning he gave was that to freeze embryos - they have to get to day 5. My first two IVFs we transferred on day 3. He didn't think I'd have anything get to day 5. So with banking eggs - we'd have more to work with to transfer on day 3.
So we didn't really leave on a positive note. We had my records sent to another clinic - which he acknowledged. I don't think he was mad - but it felt awkward. He also said if we stayed - we could try another IVF - this time bank embryos for genetic testing (with the risk of having nothing on day 5). I am not sure how confident I feel in the lab. Maybe I just need a change.
I have a consult at Wake Forest next week. They are nationally ranked and I think number 2 for women 38-40. The doctor comes highly recommended. I am anxious to hear what he has to say.
Meanwhile - since I can't stand the waiting and doing nothing - My current RE said I could do another IUI. So I am on Femara days 5-9 (I've always done days 3-7, but we got a late start). It hasn't ever worked before - but stranger things have happened. So I figure it can't hurt.
Me:38 - TTC for 3+years - Multiple failed IUIs (w/clomid, femara,injectibles - all BFNs) IVF #1 - Jan 2012, CP -IVF#2 March 2012, CP - Went back to IUIs all summer. Multi-Cycle Egg banking for FET. Egg retrieval #1 October, 2 frosties. Retrieval#2 January 2013. 6 eggs banked - waiting to be fertilized in March, FET March! Zero eggs survived thaw process - FET Cancelled. New RE - Now banking Embryos for PGS - July ER- 3 eggs retrieved, 3 fertilized, 1 genetically normal embryo! FET - Feb. 2014, BFP - Mar. 2014, EDD 11/6/14 It's a GIRL!
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Re: Getting another opinion after a disappointing WTF
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Married June 2011 Dx: anovulatory due to prolactinoma (1.5cmx 1.5cm in 2006)
April 2012: MRI- questionable cyst 8mg by 12mm in pituitary ; referred to RE by Ob-gyn after amenorrhea x 4+ months, provera ineffective, low estrogen level
cycle 1: May 2012, clomid 50mg; cycle cancelled, thin lining, no response
cycle 2: June 2012, femara 5mg; cycle cancelled, no response
cycle 3: July 2012, femara 7.5mg; cycle cancelled (largest folli on Cd12 & cd 16: 11, lining 4)
Repeat MRI July 25,2012- Cyst unchanged, likely old infarction.
Aug. 8: met with RE, move to injectables if HSG and SA normal
Aug. 23: HSG all clear; DH- perfect
Switched to a new RE in early Sept. IVF here we come
Genetic testing reveals: Fragile X- Intermediate risk/grey zone.
IVF#1: ER 11/30: 14 retrieved, 10 mature, 7 fertilized. E2 prior to trigger 5200. Decision made to freeze 6 embryos and transfer later due to OHSS.
IVF#1.2/FET #1: estrogen injects start 1/18, FET delayed to try to thicken lining. lining 5.4mm. FET- 2/18- transferred one 3AA expanded blast. BFP 5dp5dt. Beta #1- 2/27 9dp5dt- 102.27 beta #2 3/1: 147 , beta #3 3/4: 268 told to stop meds and let nature take its course. requested 4th beta (3/6); Beta hell for 2 months.
FET # 2: endometrial scratch 5/6, added estrace vaginally and ASA to delestrogen and PIO. June 10- transferred one 4AA hatched embryo, BFP 4dp6dt, Beta 1 (9dp6dt) 187, Beta 2 (11dp6dt): 412; Beta 3 (15dp6dt ): 4452. U/S #1- one beautiful embryo with a heartbeat of 133 at 7 weeks. 8 weeks: heartbeat 156. EDD 2/26/2014: born 2-3-14 induced due to Pre-E and HELLP at 36w5d.
12/1: met with RE to discuss trying for #2
Hi, I'm new to the board, but I do have experience in medical labs so I thought I would respond.
Medical laboratory science is very much dependent on the technicians you are using, so it completely makes sense to me to seek another lab/RE just to
I think getting a second opinion is worth it. First and foremost, you need to be comfortable with your doctor and be on board with their tx plan. And the rule of freezing embryos only if they make it to day 5 is not a hard and fast rule. I realize that
June- Femara 7.5mg + Trigger + IUI = BFN August- Lap & Hysteroscopy = Blocked & Partially Blocked Tubes
September- Femara 5mg = CX - No Response on Left = BFN October- 100mg Clomid + Trigger + TI = BFN
IVF # 1: Stims 11/30 ER 12/12/12! (10R, 10M, 8F, 2T, 6 F) :: Beta #1- 176 c/p @ 4w4d
FET #1 February 26th :: Lost 4 to Thaw, Transferred 2 = BFFN
IVF # 2 Stims 5/10 ER 5/21 (15R, 13M, 13F, 2T, 7F- 6d3 & 1d5) :: Beta # 1- 15 c/p @ 4w
FET #2.2 Scheduled for September 20th
2 Thawed, 2 Transferred! Beta #1- 96, Beta #2 906! :: EDD June 10th
2015- 2 failed FET. We are done
SURPRISE! BFP 8/8/16 EDD 4/1/17
I definitely think you are making the right decision about getting another opinion on your situation - and if I were you I would consider getting a third opinion as well (even if that means doing a phone consult somewhere).
I am surp
Dx: PCOS and MFI
3 IUIs, 4 IVFs = BFFN
3rd RE: IVF #5/FET = BFP
14dp5dt=1170 16dp5dt=2573
1st u/s=TWINS!
It's a Boy and a Girl!
Born at 34w3d!
I go to Wake Reproductive - I really like them.
I have no clue why he wouldn't wait until day 5 or 6 and freeze embryos. That makes no sense. Are you doing PGD testing on all your embryos?
BFP#1 1/31/12, EDD 10/6/12 Harrison Gray born sleeping @ 18w6d. You changed our lives little guy.
BFP#2 EDD 10/29/13, C/P 2/25/13, Bye little Ish, we barely got to know you.
BFP#3 EDD 12/21/13, Baby Boots born 11/23/13 My rainbow baby!
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Thanks for the responses. You all brought up good points. I don't know why my RE doesn't freeze embryos until day 5. I will certainly ask the new dr. about the possibilities of freezing earlier (if necessary). We may do genetic testin
Me:38 - TTC for 3+years - Multiple failed IUIs (w/clomid, femara,injectibles - all BFNs) IVF #1 - Jan 2012, CP -IVF#2 March 2012, CP - Went back to IUIs all summer. Multi-Cycle Egg banking for FET. Egg retrieval #1 October, 2 frosties. Retrieval#2 January 2013. 6 eggs banked - waiting to be fertilized in March, FET March! Zero eggs survived thaw process - FET Cancelled. New RE - Now banking Embryos for PGS - July ER- 3 eggs retrieved, 3 fertilized, 1 genetically normal embryo! FET - Feb. 2014, BFP - Mar. 2014, EDD 11/6/14 It's a GIRL!
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