Charty-Chart Stalk? (anovulatory?!)

miakrita

Any stalkers out there this morning?

My conundrum:  I'm CD 18 and I got some pretty nice EWCM this morning (woooot!).  Despite my recently elevated temps, however, FF has not given me CH.  Instead, FF (in all her wisdom) says that its possible that I O'd anywhere from CD 9 to CD 17.  WTF?

I've been sick for 2 weeks now and had elevated temps due to being really sick for 5 days.  I've played around with every possible permutation of O detection method and discarding the temps.  Still no CH.  So, I'm turning to you for your input: when do you think I've O'd?

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Mrs.E.07

Possibly CD15, but you'll have to wait a few days to be sure. Do you use OPKs?

FWIW I don't see a clear temp shift in your other 2 charts. I'm not convinced you O'd the past 2 cycles, sorry. 

miakrita

Mrs.E.07:

Possibly CD15, but you'll have to wait a few days to be sure. Do you use OPKs?

FWIW I don't see a clear temp shift in your other 2 charts. I'm not convinced you O'd the past 2 cycles, sorry. 

Thanks Mrs. E.

I don't use OPKs....do you think I should start, just to make sure I'm O'ing?

As for my older charts, IKWYM by not seeing a clear temp shift.  But I've always explained it to myself thusly: the first one is whack because I didn't know you were supposed to temp at the same time every day; and the second one is whack because I was super stressed with law school finals.   But I never for once thought that I wasn't O'ing.  But that could explain alot. 

But why would FF give me CH if I wasn't O'ing?  And is it still possible to have Ovulation Pain and the fertile CM if you don't O?

musicteach78

Mrs.E.07:

Possibly CD15, but you'll have to wait a few days to be sure. Do you use OPKs?

FWIW I don't see a clear temp shift in your other 2 charts. I'm not convinced you O'd the past 2 cycles, sorry. 

that's what I thought as well. Did you try inputting some higher temps for the next few days to see what happens?

I like wondfo opks because they are relatively cheap. I know my charts would really confuse me if I wasn't able to see when I had negative opks. It at least helps me narrow a possible o date down. 

miakrita

musicteach78:

Mrs.E.07:

Possibly CD15, but you'll have to wait a few days to be sure. Do you use OPKs?

FWIW I don't see a clear temp shift in your other 2 charts. I'm not convinced you O'd the past 2 cycles, sorry. 

that's what I thought as well. Did you try inputting some higher temps for the next few days to see what happens?

I like wondfo opks because they are relatively cheap. I know my charts would really confuse me if I wasn't able to see when I had negative opks. It at least helps me narrow a possible o date down. 

Maybe I'll try OPKS next month.  My DH just really doesn't like the idea of me peeing on more things, but I think its worth it for my sanity.

I tried putting in a bunch of dummy high temps but it doesn't give me CH

musicteach78

miakrita:

musicteach78:

Mrs.E.07:

Possibly CD15, but you'll have to wait a few days to be sure. Do you use OPKs?

FWIW I don't see a clear temp shift in your other 2 charts. I'm not convinced you O'd the past 2 cycles, sorry. 

that's what I thought as well. Did you try inputting some higher temps for the next few days to see what happens?

I like wondfo opks because they are relatively cheap. I know my charts would really confuse me if I wasn't able to see when I had negative opks. It at least helps me narrow a possible o date down. 

Maybe I'll try OPKS next month.  My DH just really doesn't like the idea of me peeing on more things, but I think its worth it for my sanity.

I tried putting in a bunch of dummy high temps but it doesn't give me CH

Hopefully your next few mornings of temping go well and you can see an answer.

I actually pee on sticks at work. I've found mid-morning through mid-afternoon shows me clearer results. I teach so I sneak them into the staff bathroom, pee in the package, dip and check it back at my desk. Dh has less of a clue that way! 

buggirl72

I agree about the OPKs - especially with your wonky temps.  I find they make FW less stressful compared to the alternative of waiting to see if my temp is going to jump up.

BootsOrHearts

I'm not convinced your O'ing either. :-(

Have you talked to your doctor about it? I'd print out your charts and take them in, see what she/he says.

Yes, it's possible to have fertile CM and still not O.

km_md

I'm no expert by any means, but those few really high temps could be messing with it. You won't be able to get a coverline with those because your temps now aren't different enough to indicate a sustained rise, and O. If you were sick, that could definitely play a part in it. It might ease your mind to try some OPK's next cycle. It doesn't mean that you have to use them all of the time, but do a test over the next cycle or two and see if you can get a positive. If you get a pattern like this (which Mrs. E said she spotted already), you might want to talk to your doctor about it. Just my opinion! 

 ETA: I just looked at your previous charts and I see what Mrs.E is talking about. But you have a lot of open circles on your chart. Try to temp at exactly the same time, and that will give you a much clearer picture of what is going on, because you have some temps that are all over the place.  

mightymousy

miakrita:

Mrs.E.07:

Possibly CD15, but you'll have to wait a few days to be sure. Do you use OPKs?

FWIW I don't see a clear temp shift in your other 2 charts. I'm not convinced you O'd the past 2 cycles, sorry. 

Thanks Mrs. E.

I don't use OPKs....do you think I should start, just to make sure I'm O'ing?

As for my older charts, IKWYM by not seeing a clear temp shift.  But I've always explained it to myself thusly: the first one is whack because I didn't know you were supposed to temp at the same time every day; and the second one is whack because I was super stressed with law school finals.   But I never for once thought that I wasn't O'ing.  But that could explain alot. 

But why would FF give me CH if I wasn't O'ing?  And is it still possible to have Ovulation Pain and the fertile CM if you don't O?

FWIW I'm inclined to agree we Mrs. E. but I'm not an expert. Although taking your temp at different times can mess with your chart, I'm not sure that high stress could cause that whacky of a chart. FF gave you dotted CH because it's trying to interpret your chart but it's not convinced of your O either. Your CH would be solid if your O was more defined.

OPKs really do help better define if you've ovulated or not. It's absolutely possible to have O pain and fertile CM and not ovulated, it is even possible to have positive OPKs and then not see a temp spike indicating completed ovulation. Your body can try and gear up to O, show all the signs, but fail to drop an egg.

juliekay25

Hi, I'm no expert but it looks like you o`d around the 14th or 15th to me.  I would try the opks next month to be sure.  It is possible to have ewcm and not O.  My previous cycle was 96 days and had ewcm early but didn't O till CD 81. Feel free to look at my charts.  

I hope your temps normalize more for you. They're a huge pain in the butt sometimes.

Good luck! 

miakrita

Well, gee.   Thanks everyone for your input.  Obviously, I don't want to hear that I'm not ovulating, so I am in denial, a bit.  I don't see how I could have all the pre and post ovulation symptoms and still not ovulate.  I also don't see how I could have had 2 BFPs within 4 months and not ovulate. 

Nevertheless, I greatly appreciate all of your input.  Thanks, ladies

miakrita

mdharrison:

It's really hard to tell on your most recent chart because of all of the missing data (I get that it's because your sick).  

I'm not convinced you ovulated on your past two charts as your temps are just so erratic.  Would you consider vaginal temping to see if it makes it any less rocky?  Are you temping at the same time each day after 3 hours of sleep?  

Unfortunately, EWCM isn't a definite indicator of ovulation, much like OPKs aren't.  

I would put a call into your doctor to see if there's any monitoring they would want to do or at least to just discuss this information with them.   

 

Thanks, MD.  Vaginal temps aren't something I've thought of.  I'll try that next month

miakrita

mdharrison:

miakrita:

mdharrison:

It's really hard to tell on your most recent chart because of all of the missing data (I get that it's because your sick).  

I'm not convinced you ovulated on your past two charts as your temps are just so erratic.  Would you consider vaginal temping to see if it makes it any less rocky?  Are you temping at the same time each day after 3 hours of sleep?  

Unfortunately, EWCM isn't a definite indicator of ovulation, much like OPKs aren't.  

I would put a call into your doctor to see if there's any monitoring they would want to do or at least to just discuss this information with them.   

 

Thanks, MD.  Vaginal temps aren't something I've thought of.  I'll try that next month

It might just provide a bit more consistency as opposed to oral temping because of open/closed mouth breathing etc...  Might make for less rocky temps, but I make no guarantees! 

The open/closed mouth breathing is definitely an issue for me.  I've been noticing that I frequently fall back asleep as I am temping and wake up to the beep of the thermometer.

Thanks, love.   

Mrs.E.07

You could be O'ing and not seeing it in your temps. I don't know why FF gave you CH the past 2 cycles but it's not always right, unfortunately! Vaginal temping is a good idea, that might make the pattern or lack thereof easier to spot. 

Also, you might not ever get CH this month due to so many missing temps. If you plug some low dummy temps into early CDs, you might get CH, but unfortunately tricking FF into giving you CHs doesn't mean you O'd, lol! If only it were that easy.

 

I just want to repeat, it's possible that you're O'ing but not detecting a temp shift, I was just saying that I don't see an O in those charts. I wake up and get up several times every night and don't temp at the exact same time, and I see a clear pattern anyway, but everyone's different.

I'm sorry if I stressed you out, now I feel bad  

BootsOrHearts

If you want to make sure, ask your doctor to check your progesterone level on 7DPO (whatever your best guess of 7DPO is). The test is called a P4. That will definitely tell you whether or not you ovulated thatmonth. Super easy/cheap blood test.

miakrita

BootsOrHearts:

If you want to make sure, ask your doctor to check your progesterone level on 7DPO (whatever your best guess of 7DPO is). The test is called a P4. That will definitely tell you whether or not you ovulated thatmonth. Super easy/cheap blood test.

   good suggestion! I didn't know about said test. 

miakrita

Mrs.E.07:

You could be O'ing and not seeing it in your temps. I don't know why FF gave you CH the past 2 cycles but it's not always right, unfortunately! Vaginal temping is a good idea, that might make the pattern or lack thereof easier to spot. 

Also, you might not ever get CH this month due to so many missing temps. If you plug some low dummy temps into early CDs, you might get CH, but unfortunately tricking FF into giving you CHs doesn't mean you O'd, lol! If only it were that easy.

 

I just want to repeat, it's possible that you're O'ing but not detecting a temp shift, I was just saying that I don't see an O in those charts. I wake up and get up several times every night and don't temp at the exact same time, and I see a clear pattern anyway, but everyone's different.

I'm sorry if I stressed you out, now I feel bad  

Ah!  Please don't feel bad!  The TTCAL crazy starts setting in at this time of the month, regardless.  And honestly, if I'm not O'ing, I'd rather know about it sooner than later.  So the fact that you tipped me off to a suspicion/hunch that others seem to share is probably best in the long run.  So thanks!

buggirl72

miakrita:

BootsOrHearts:

If you want to make sure, ask your doctor to check your progesterone level on 7DPO (whatever your best guess of 7DPO is). The test is called a P4. That will definitely tell you whether or not you ovulated thatmonth. Super easy/cheap blood test.

   good suggestion! I didn't know about said test. 

Just a heads up that a lot of doctors want to do this test on CD21 because everyone O's on CD14 .  Like Boots said, it needs to be done on 7dpo.  

miakrita

buggirl72:

miakrita:

BootsOrHearts:

If you want to make sure, ask your doctor to check your progesterone level on 7DPO (whatever your best guess of 7DPO is). The test is called a P4. That will definitely tell you whether or not you ovulated thatmonth. Super easy/cheap blood test.

   good suggestion! I didn't know about said test. 

Just a heads up that a lot of doctors want to do this test on CD21 because everyone O's on CD14 .  Like Boots said, it needs to be done on 7dpo.  

Duly noted ... thanks for the heads!

katharine25

I'm going to side with md on this one, I think it's more likely your just a bad temper than not ovulating. Honestly, your charts are just ugly and illegible because those temps are all over the place. And there are a ton missing in the past 2 weeks this cycle. You do seem to have good CM patterns though, so for this cycle trust your body. The golden rule is to hump it out whenever you see fertile CM. it really does work if you're the kind of girl who gets CM

And if this cycle is a bust, Try vaginal temping, make sure your temping at the same time every morning, and Definetly add opks into the mix. wondfos are super cheap, and you can pee on them until your hearts content.

And Remember, charts don't get you pregnant, sex does. You're probably not going to see reliable crosshairs this cycle, don't stress about it too much.

miakrita

katharine25:

I'm going to side with md on this one, I think it's more likely your just a bad temper than not ovulating. Honestly, your charts are just ugly and illegible because those temps are all over the place. And there are a ton missing in the past 2 weeks this cycle. You do seem to have good CM patterns though, so for this cycle trust your body. The golden rule is to hump it out whenever you see fertile CM. it really does work if your the kind of girl who gets CM And if this cycle is a bust, Try vaginal temping, make sure your temping at the same time every morning, and Definetly add opks into the mix. wondfos are super cheap, and you can pee on them until your hearts content. And Remember, charts don't get you pregnant, sex does. You're probably not going to see reliable crosshairs this cycle, don't stress about it too much.

Yay! I missed your nose up my vajayjay.  Thanks so much for the response.   I will do my best to get better at temping and pee on more things.  

Not stressing in 3....2....1.....

twotexans

It's hard to tell with all the missing data.  I would consider using opks too, to get a better idea of what is going on.

Also, I noticed you are taking pineapple core.  That should not be used until O is confirmed.  It is supposed to aid in implantation, but should not be eaten prior to O. 

miakrita

twotexans:

It's hard to tell with all the missing data.  I would consider using opks too, to get a better idea of what is going on.

Also, I noticed you are taking pineapple core.  That should not be used until O is confirmed.  It is supposed to aid in implantation, but should not be eaten prior to O. 

Thank you for the advice  (embarrassed about still knowing so little)

twotexans

miakrita:

twotexans:

It's hard to tell with all the missing data.  I would consider using opks too, to get a better idea of what is going on.

Also, I noticed you are taking pineapple core.  That should not be used until O is confirmed.  It is supposed to aid in implantation, but should not be eaten prior to O. 

Thank you for the advice  (embarrassed about still knowing so little)

You can use it, but you need to eat it for the 5 days following O.  Take a pineapple core and cut it into 5 equal pieces.  Eat one portion each day.

TTCAL Blog- pineapple core is toward the end.