A Sandy-related confession...

kcisthebombdotcom

since I'm sure we haven't had enough Sandy posts in the past few days.

I was watching the news yesterday and watched a couple with a small child be rescued because they didn't want to evacuate. I think that CPS should step in and take their child away because clearly they're not competent enough to be parents. Stuff like that makes me sososo angry. They could have easily killed their child as well as rescue workers over their stupidity--thank god someone came to rescue them when they did.

kcisthebombdotcom

Are you sure? We had mandatory evacuations in RI and we weren't even in the direct path of the storm. It was all over the news that it was going to get bad.

tarebear9891

In a perfect world everyone could evacuate when told.

It is not a perfect world. I agree it should be investigated as to why they didn't but there are many possibilities one being that maybe they didn't have the means, like money or transportation, to evacuate.

kcisthebombdotcom

tarebear9891:

In a perfect world everyone could evacuate when told. It is not a perfect world. I agree it should be investigated as to why they didn't but there are many possibilities one being that maybe they didn't have the means, like money or transportation, to evacuate.

The dad directly said on the news "Oh, I guess I should have listened when they said evacuate".

grr_aargh

Hold the phone. 

 

Aren't you a small government Conservative lady?

 

A bootstraps person?

 

I think those parents should get some dammmmmned waders and pull themselves up by their wader straps and make whatever choices they want with their kids and the rescuers should probably just wave hello as they fly over them in their small business financed plane, dropping fliers that say "RESCUES!  $1K!  Cash only!" 

Wine O Mite

Yes, because weather people are never wrong.

Oh and as ashley said, sometimes people have no where else to go. 

scoutkate

I mean, being faced with an evacuation is a pretty overwhelming experience.

Maybe they had no family to go.

Maybe they had no money to get a hotel room.

Maybe they weren't aware of local shelter options.

Maybe they had pets at home, didn't know what to do with them, and were unwilling to leave them.

Regardless, I'm sure they were distraught and overwhelmed and didn't know what to do and therefore just did nothing.  I don't think they deserve to lose their kids for that. 

kcisthebombdotcom

GhostMonkey:

KC_13:

tarebear9891:

In a perfect world everyone could evacuate when told. It is not a perfect world. I agree it should be investigated as to why they didn't but there are many possibilities one being that maybe they didn't have the means, like money or transportation, to evacuate.

The dad directly said on the news "Oh, I guess I should have listened when they said evacuate".

That doesn't mean it was a mandatory evacuation- it could have been a voluntary. But of course you know everything and no one should be allowed to have their children. What was I thinking?

I don't care if it's mandatory or voluntary--if you have small children and they say there's a big, dangerous storm coming you go.

Storm shelters were available all around NYC and are only at 4% capacity so there was plenty of places for people to go.

jcsumm0

GhostMonkey:

Stardust225:

Sometimes evacuation isn't possible. 

Ghostmonkey--

Does your monkey in you're siggy hit that man in the head? Gawd I bet it was funny. 

I like to think so.

 

I'm a dirty lurker, and I saw that call out thread on TTGP the other day and my first thought was, "she really needs to get that stick back out."

 

As for the evac, yes it seems dumb to me that you would stay when told to evacuate, but I wouldn't automatically assume you need your kids taken away. 

grr_aargh

KC_13:

GhostMonkey:

KC_13:

tarebear9891:

In a perfect world everyone could evacuate when told. It is not a perfect world. I agree it should be investigated as to why they didn't but there are many possibilities one being that maybe they didn't have the means, like money or transportation, to evacuate.

The dad directly said on the news "Oh, I guess I should have listened when they said evacuate".

That doesn't mean it was a mandatory evacuation- it could have been a voluntary. But of course you know everything and no one should be allowed to have their children. What was I thinking?

I don't care if it's mandatory or voluntary--if you have small children and they say there's a big, dangerous storm coming you go.

Storm shelters were available all around NYC and are only at 4% capacity so there was plenty of places for people to go.

I agree.

And I would side-eye hard core if someone made that choice in the face of this information.

I just don't necessarily believe CPS should be involved.  

kcisthebombdotcom

grr_aargh:

KC_13:

GhostMonkey:

KC_13:

tarebear9891:

In a perfect world everyone could evacuate when told. It is not a perfect world. I agree it should be investigated as to why they didn't but there are many possibilities one being that maybe they didn't have the means, like money or transportation, to evacuate.

The dad directly said on the news "Oh, I guess I should have listened when they said evacuate".

That doesn't mean it was a mandatory evacuation- it could have been a voluntary. But of course you know everything and no one should be allowed to have their children. What was I thinking?

I don't care if it's mandatory or voluntary--if you have small children and they say there's a big, dangerous storm coming you go.

Storm shelters were available all around NYC and are only at 4% capacity so there was plenty of places for people to go.

I agree.

And I would side-eye hard core if someone made that choice in the face of this information.

I just don't necessarily believe CPS should be involved.  

Why not? I think if people are making decisions that could have risked their children's lives they're probably not providing adequate care overall. I certainly think it's something worthy of investigating.

grr_aargh

Stardust225:

I think that CPS has more important things to do.

CPS is a system in place to protect children who are consistently subject to poor parenting decisions.

This is a single crappy decision and we, as parents, make single crappy decisions every day. It was bad - a VERY BAD CHOICE - IMO, so please don't think I'm defending the parent.  They made a bad choice.  It is not proof of consecutive bad decisions that amount to an overall record of poor parenting.  

Having seen good parents chewed up in the CPS system, I try hard to remember that it's there for a reason - and I absolutely don't want it overburdened with reports of individual bad decisions.

 

LuckyDad

I wish this country had a well funded, perfectly oiled foster system that could care for all the kids with mediocre to bad parents. But unfortunately the Foster System has plenty of flaws to it. There are some wonderful, wonderful people working for and within the system, but from everything I've read unfortunately many kids who go through the system don't have a Puppies and Rainbows experience.

So I agree with your anger, but unfortunately it's not very pragmatic to just take the kids away.

kcisthebombdotcom

grr_aargh:

Stardust225:

I think that CPS has more important things to do.

CPS is a system in place to protect children who are consistently subject to poor parenting decisions.

This is a single crappy decision and we, as parents, make single crappy decisions every day. It was bad - a VERY BAD CHOICE - IMO, so please don't think I'm defending the parent.  They made a bad choice.  It is not proof of consecutive bad decisions that amount to an overall record of poor parenting.  

Having seen good parents chewed up in the CPS system, I try hard to remember that it's there for a reason - and I absolutely don't want it overburdened with reports of individual bad decisions.

 

I get where you're going with this, but I don't agree. Over the summer I saw a small child about 2 years old left alone in a car. I went in the store not thinking too much of it since the mom might have just ran in to grab a newspaper or something and was coming right out. I grabbed a few things, came out about 5 minutes later and the child was still in the car unattended. I called the police.

Should that parent not be investigated because it might have been just one bad decision?

I agree we all make a bad choice from time to time. Stuff like leaving your kid in the car alone for a period of time or leaving your kid in the path of a hurricane are big enough parenting fails worthy of investigation imo.

kcisthebombdotcom

LoisLane23:

KC_13:

grr_aargh:

KC_13:

GhostMonkey:

KC_13:

tarebear9891:

In a perfect world everyone could evacuate when told. It is not a perfect world. I agree it should be investigated as to why they didn't but there are many possibilities one being that maybe they didn't have the means, like money or transportation, to evacuate.

The dad directly said on the news "Oh, I guess I should have listened when they said evacuate".

That doesn't mean it was a mandatory evacuation- it could have been a voluntary. But of course you know everything and no one should be allowed to have their children. What was I thinking?

I don't care if it's mandatory or voluntary--if you have small children and they say there's a big, dangerous storm coming you go.

Storm shelters were available all around NYC and are only at 4% capacity so there was plenty of places for people to go.

I agree.

And I would side-eye hard core if someone made that choice in the face of this information.

I just don't necessarily believe CPS should be involved.  

Why not? I think if people are making decisions that could have risked their children's lives they're probably not providing adequate care overall. I certainly think it's something worthy of investigating.

Your kids are at risk every day when you suck the life out of them. CPS worthy?

I'm guessing throwing rocks means you're pretty insecure in the way you parent and is a reflection on you, not me.

Manateearmz

Should CPS get called everytime someone makes a bad decision? If a camera crew caught my worst parenting fail I'm sure it would look very poorly on me.

The parents made a very bad choice. You don't know what lead them to make that decision when they were told to evacuate, whether it be mandatory or voluntary.

Before you sit up and talk about taking children away from their parents maybe you should consider all of the situations that lead up to that brief moment that you saw.

FezzesAreCool

They made poor life decisions. 

grr_aargh

KC_13:

LoisLane23:

KC_13:

grr_aargh:

KC_13:

GhostMonkey:

KC_13:

tarebear9891:

In a perfect world everyone could evacuate when told. It is not a perfect world. I agree it should be investigated as to why they didn't but there are many possibilities one being that maybe they didn't have the means, like money or transportation, to evacuate.

The dad directly said on the news "Oh, I guess I should have listened when they said evacuate".

That doesn't mean it was a mandatory evacuation- it could have been a voluntary. But of course you know everything and no one should be allowed to have their children. What was I thinking?

I don't care if it's mandatory or voluntary--if you have small children and they say there's a big, dangerous storm coming you go.

Storm shelters were available all around NYC and are only at 4% capacity so there was plenty of places for people to go.

I agree.

And I would side-eye hard core if someone made that choice in the face of this information.

I just don't necessarily believe CPS should be involved.  

Why not? I think if people are making decisions that could have risked their children's lives they're probably not providing adequate care overall. I certainly think it's something worthy of investigating.

Your kids are at risk every day when you suck the life out of them. CPS worthy?

I'm guessing throwing rocks means you're pretty insecure in the way you parent and is a reflection on you, not me.

Did you just sticks and stones her?

 

Awesome.

You never answered my Waders-straps post.  I'm very disappointed.  

kcisthebombdotcom

BostonKisses2:

grr_aargh:

Stardust225:

I think that CPS has more important things to do.

CPS is a system in place to protect children who are consistently subject to poor parenting decisions.

This is a single crappy decision and we, as parents, make single crappy decisions every day. It was bad - a VERY BAD CHOICE - IMO, so please don't think I'm defending the parent.  They made a bad choice.  It is not proof of consecutive bad decisions that amount to an overall record of poor parenting.  

Having seen good parents chewed up in the CPS system, I try hard to remember that it's there for a reason - and I absolutely don't want it overburdened with reports of individual bad decisions.

 

I'm with grr on this one.

Was it a poor choice not to evacuate?  Maybe.  We don't know why they chose not to do so, and they probably figured they could ride the storm out.  It's asinine to assume that 1 bad decision like this means they're making other crappy choices for their child and CPS needs to get involved. 

So when people publicly do things to their children like a mom punching her child in the grocery store because he's acting out or a mom leaving their kid in the car on a summer day--none of these kinds of situations are worth investigating and we should all assume it was just one bad decision?

If you think those kinds of situations should be investigated, what's the difference between that and those in mandatory evac zones not evacuating with small children in their care?

FezzesAreCool

Wait.

Did you used to work at a CPS-like organization, KC? 

FezzesAreCool

KC_13:

So when people publicly do things to their children like a mom punching her child in the grocery store because he's acting out or a mom leaving their kid in the car on a summer day--none of these kinds of situations are worth investigating and we should all assume it was just one bad decision?

If you think those kinds of situations should be investigated, what's the difference between that and those in mandatory evac zones not evacuating with small children in their care?

Did you actually read the thread, KC?  Because this has been answered. 

There may be reasons they didn't evacuate.

There is never a reason to punch a child or leaving a child in a car on a hot summer day. 

grr_aargh

KC_13:

BostonKisses2:

grr_aargh:

Stardust225:

I think that CPS has more important things to do.

CPS is a system in place to protect children who are consistently subject to poor parenting decisions.

This is a single crappy decision and we, as parents, make single crappy decisions every day. It was bad - a VERY BAD CHOICE - IMO, so please don't think I'm defending the parent.  They made a bad choice.  It is not proof of consecutive bad decisions that amount to an overall record of poor parenting.  

Having seen good parents chewed up in the CPS system, I try hard to remember that it's there for a reason - and I absolutely don't want it overburdened with reports of individual bad decisions.

 

I'm with grr on this one.

Was it a poor choice not to evacuate?  Maybe.  We don't know why they chose not to do so, and they probably figured they could ride the storm out.  It's asinine to assume that 1 bad decision like this means they're making other crappy choices for their child and CPS needs to get involved. 

So when people publicly do things to their children like a mom punching her child in the grocery store because he's acting out or a mom leaving their kid in the car on a summer day--none of these kinds of situations are worth investigating and we should all assume it was just one bad decision?

If you think those kinds of situations should be investigated, what's the difference between that and those in mandatory evac zones not evacuating with small children in their care?

Yes yes, that's exactly what she means.

Oh god, lady.  There is a clear and present danger and illegality in leaving your kids in the car on a summer day or punching your baby in the face.

You are *assuming* these people are being rescued from a mandatory evac zone.  Some are.  Some are being rescued from non-mandatory evac zones.  Some tried to evac but couldn't for a variety of reasons.  Others still tried to evac but were told they weren't allowed to.   You're making some very big leaps - as much as I disagree with not evacuating - to create an analogy that compares PUNCHING YOUR KID IN THE FACE with not evacuating during a storm. 

FezzesAreCool

Look guys!

KC's being obtuse.

That NEVER happens.   

grr_aargh

FezzesAreCool:

Look guys!

KC's being obtuse.

That NEVER happens.   

It makes me want to not evacuate during a dangerous storm her.  

FezzesAreCool

I don't even know what that means, grr, but I'm laughing anyway. 

grr_aargh

FezzesAreCool:

I don't even know what that means, grr, but I'm laughing anyway. 

I was using her analogy to make a joke.  She said not evacuating during a storm was like punching a kid in the face.

 

Get it?  Get it?

 

Look, I'm sick, everybody's puking, and I can't keep warm. You can't expect my humor to make sense.  

FezzesAreCool

grr_aargh:

FezzesAreCool:

I don't even know what that means, grr, but I'm laughing anyway. 

I was using her analogy to make a joke.  She said not evacuating during a storm was like punching a kid in the face.

 

Get it?  Get it?

 

Look, I'm sick, everybody's puking, and I can't keep warm. You can't expect my humor to make sense.  

OHHH. 

It's still funny. 

kcisthebombdotcom

grr_aargh:

KC_13:

BostonKisses2:

grr_aargh:

Stardust225:

I think that CPS has more important things to do.

CPS is a system in place to protect children who are consistently subject to poor parenting decisions.

This is a single crappy decision and we, as parents, make single crappy decisions every day. It was bad - a VERY BAD CHOICE - IMO, so please don't think I'm defending the parent.  They made a bad choice.  It is not proof of consecutive bad decisions that amount to an overall record of poor parenting.  

Having seen good parents chewed up in the CPS system, I try hard to remember that it's there for a reason - and I absolutely don't want it overburdened with reports of individual bad decisions.

 

I'm with grr on this one.

Was it a poor choice not to evacuate?  Maybe.  We don't know why they chose not to do so, and they probably figured they could ride the storm out.  It's asinine to assume that 1 bad decision like this means they're making other crappy choices for their child and CPS needs to get involved. 

So when people publicly do things to their children like a mom punching her child in the grocery store because he's acting out or a mom leaving their kid in the car on a summer day--none of these kinds of situations are worth investigating and we should all assume it was just one bad decision?

If you think those kinds of situations should be investigated, what's the difference between that and those in mandatory evac zones not evacuating with small children in their care?

Yes yes, that's exactly what she means.

Oh god, lady.  There is a clear and present danger and illegality in leaving your kids in the car on a summer day or punching your baby in the face.

You are *assuming* these people are being rescued from a mandatory evac zone.  Some are.  Some are being rescued from non-mandatory evac zones.  Some tried to evac but couldn't for a variety of reasons.  Others still tried to evac but were told they weren't allowed to.   You're making some very big leaps - as much as I disagree with not evacuating - to create an analogy that compares PUNCHING YOUR KID IN THE FACE with not evacuating during a storm. 

The person confessed on national television after being rescued that he should have listened when told to evac. The coverage was early on in the day in a low lying area of Manhattan well before the worst of the storm even hit. It clearly was someone ignoring evacuation requests--not just someone who unexpectedly got hit by the storm.

I think that is a clear and present danger and imo should be illegal and investigated.

[Deleted User]

Anybody know the number of NYers that don't have a car?  I was under the impression it was a LOT of them. 

kcisthebombdotcom

sofamonkey:

Anybody know the number of NYers that don't have a car?  I was under the impression it was a LOT of them. 

There were enough shelters in walking distance and public transportation didn't close until the day of the storm. They also had a pretty good heads up of the storm's path--it wasn't like Katrina where they had little time to evac.

kcisthebombdotcom

BostonKisses2:

Can we get a link to this exact story/video?

If I remembered what channel it was on, I'd tell you. I was flipping between all the major news stations all day yesterday.

[Deleted User]

GhostMonkey:

KC_13:

sofamonkey:

Anybody know the number of NYers that don't have a car?  I was under the impression it was a LOT of them. 

There were enough shelters in walking distance and public transportation didn't close until the day of the storm. They also had a pretty good heads up of the storm's path--it wasn't like Katrina where they had little time to evac.

So wait- you wanted them to walk to a shelter in the exact same area as their home, because apaprently that place 3-4 blocks away was super immune to hurricane effects?

 

Well, duh.  Everyone knows that walking 3 or 4 blocks makes things not happen.  How could you be so obtuse GM??? 

bumpuser2505903

I have never responded in one of these threads, but felt the need to this time. KC - I'm not a hater, in fact, sometimes you have a point. But your reasoning on this is just off.

If I saw two children in a hot car or saw a mother punch their child I would call the police. I don't see how these incidents are even comparable to someone who chooses not to evacuate. Sure, you can disagree with their choice to stay (it wasn't smart, IMO) but that's similar to saying you'd call CPS if you saw someone feeding their child fries since there is a danger of obesity and that could lead to disease and death in adulthood.

I don't know about CPS in your state, but in mine (AZ), it's all sorts of messed up and I can pretty much guarantee this type of call would be nothing compared to the real issues of abuse and neglect that should take priority.

 

kcisthebombdotcom

GhostMonkey:

KC_13:

sofamonkey:

Anybody know the number of NYers that don't have a car?  I was under the impression it was a LOT of them. 

There were enough shelters in walking distance and public transportation didn't close until the day of the storm. They also had a pretty good heads up of the storm's path--it wasn't like Katrina where they had little time to evac.

So wait- you wanted them to walk to a shelter in the exact same area as their home, because apaprently that place 3-4 blocks away was super immune to hurricane effects?

 

A few miles can make a HUGE difference. Less than 2 miles from my house the road went underwater yet we didn't get a drop of water in my basement. A large building is also more protected from winds than a small house. Come on, you can't be this stupid.

grr_aargh

GhostMonkey:

So once upon a time there was a dam near our house. It had been put in place to keep our yard from flooding and did a wonderful job.

Then one year it rained. And rained and rained and rained and the damn dam gave way. Less than 100 yards from our house was a gush of water. But our basement was dry.

So, should I have turned my parents in to CPS?

 

Of course.  They should've made better life choices.  

mammcg88

FezzesAreCool:

Look guys!

KC's being obtuse.

That NEVER happens.   

Definitely a first. 

synchrosally

I'm shocked, just shocked by this post!
/sarcasm clearly

Wufroggy79

tarebear9891:

In a perfect world everyone could evacuate when told. It is not a perfect world. I agree it should be investigated as to why they didn't but there are many possibilities one being that maybe they didn't have the means, like money or transportation, to evacuate.

This.  I'm not sure that anyone really thought the damage would be what is has turned out to be. 

Wufroggy79

Andplusalso, you never fail to be a twat.

grr_aargh

anna karenina:

I was not about to evacuate with two kids, a cat, a guinea pig and a parrot. I understand if you have to report me. 

I tried, but they told me that as a Russian novel character, you're utterly exempt from such American judgments on parenting.

I tried to ask what they meant but they told me they had better things to do and hung up.  

delg23

People don't evacuate because the media over hypes storms that are nothing. And I do not believe that they are just taking precautions. They want ratings. So they are the boy who cried wolf. Secondly evacuating is a HUGE undertaking. Especially if you have pets who are not allowed in shelters or hotels. I evacuated for Hurrican Floyd and I was stuck in bumper to bumper traffic for 12 hours. If I had a sturdy house and the storm was not in a hurricane category I probably wouldn't evacuate either. And people said that about people in New Orleans, which for many of them money to evacuate was also a factor.