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dmndsr4eva
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Has anyone researched autism?
dmndsr4eva
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I know that many scientists have done studies indicating that vaccines do not cause autism. I also know that many parents are still skeptical. I personally am alarmed about having to give my son 36 vaccinations by the time he is 5. If they do not know what causes autism they can not say for certain vaccinations do not play a role. Common sense would tell you that putting that many chemicals into your system could cause health issues now or 30 years from now.
Anyhow, my son has had most of the required vaccinations. However I have been delaying the hep A, hep B, and MMR. I plan to get him these at his next appointment, but I am not happy about it.
I was curious to know if anyone has read whether unvaccinated children have been diagnosed with autism?
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Re: Has anyone researched autism?
I'm a special ed. teacher who works with children with Autism. I need to point out that the study that showed MMR caused Autism was not accurate and was completely invalidated a few years ago. Autism is scary I've worked with some students who had very severe Autism, but no one knows what causes it and most likely it has some genetic factors involved. I should also note that while I've worked with some very difficult children - it's not a death sentence - children with Autism are wonderful. I know their families struggle but all families struggle.
I would never withhold vaccines because they "might" cause a reaction in some way. My opinion (and it's an opinion) is that it is very dangerous and irresponsible to with hold (not delay) vaccines and your child is more likely to get a serious illness or spread a serious illness then get Autism.
Sorry I went off topic a bit. All in all - I will vaccinate my child on schedule and I do not believe that vaccines cause Autism.
The kid never had any vaccinations?
Are you aware of any children who have autism and did not have vaccinations? And yes I know that research was invalidated.
Well I personally can understand why I would choose not to get certain vaccinations. I am 33 years old and without vaccinations I have managed not to have contracted Hep A or Hep B. I had chickenpocks as did everyone else I know my age and they are doing just fine. Most of our parents generation had one of the MMR illnesses and they are just fine. So I personally don't see that it is so alarming that some parents might choose to delay or avoid some of these vaccinations. My son had the vaccination for rotavirus and he still contracted the virus. When the doctor told me I asked how it was possible and he said a vaccination does not guarantee immunity.
Thank God daycares won?t take your kid without vaccines records. As much as autism scares me, I don?t think withholding the vaccines is the right choice.
No, I don?t know any autistic kid that didn?t get vaccines. ..BUT..I know way more non-autistic children that got vaccinatedHave there been studies on this? Or just something parents have said? Just curious
Different how?
https://jennymccarthybodycount.com/Jenny_McCarthy_Body_Count/Home.html
There has not been a single case of autism that has been linked to vaccines, but there have been many deaths from not getting vaccines.
Instead of researching austism, maybe you should research the diseases that vaccines prevent. The idea that just because you've had chickenpox and lived and everyone else your age is not a credible argument. Did you know that chickenpox is deadly to young infants? Did you know that by vaccinating for chickenpox, that the vaccination "covers" young infants because they aren't being exposed to the actual disease? Yes, I had chickenpox and lived, but my son is still being vaccinated against it.
Have you ever research the measles or polio, etc? Did you know these diseases are not erradicated? Did you know that vaccinations help to erradicate them?
Maybe instead you should research the consequences of not vaccinating and your child contracting one of these diseases.
Actually they do. My son is 2.5 and he has not had the MMR and he is in a montessori daycare. He's been there for 9 months. I told them he was on a delayed schedule and they said ok and got a note from my doctor.
I don't know much about vaccines and their relationship to autism. I chose to have my children vaccinated because, as other posters have said, it will not only protect my children but those around them as well. My step-brother chose to not have his daughter vaccinated at all citing religious reasons (for which daycare centers will, unfortunately, allow children to attend). At the age of 4 they brought their daughter to India for 4 months while studying abroad. She has had severe illness problems since including horrible digestive problems and "allergy type" reactions to almost everything. They don't know for sure what she may have and will probably never find out because they don't go to traditional doctors, only Buddhist practitioners who practice Eastern medicine (they don't have actual MDs and don't do testing like Western MDs - its all based on meditation and spiritual healing combined with herbs). Needless to say, it scares the crap out of me that she is in public school systems and they have no idea what is wrong with her. Right now she is actually living with Buddhist Monks in the mountains of China for the next 3 years. Medical prognosis TBD...
Sorry to go off topic and I am not trying to start an all out war of right or wrong because I do believe that everyone is entitled to their own opinions, however, I wish that there was a way to know whose children are vaccinated and whose are not. I would choose to have my child removed from that school since vaccines "do not guarantee immunity". Since implementation of HIPPA laws, I will not be afforded that choice.Really? You're asking not just whether vaccines and autism are related (which clealry has been proven to be a ridiculous, idiotic, disproven belief. But you're also questioning giving your child vaccines that will protect them against extremely DEADLY diseases.
Are you kidding? People are so ignorant. Here's a webisite for you. www.cdc.gov. and if you're unsure of that one try https://www2.aap.org/immunization/ and if you still can't fathom thousands of scientists and threir published stuidies then why don't you try https://www.euro.who.int/en/what-we-do/health-topics/disease-prevention/vaccines-and-immunization.
Or maybe you should go back to reading what Jenny McCarthy and the rest of the morons believe. Because they're celebriities and all.
I highly suggest that you watch Vaccine Wars (it's on Netflix Instant Queue). It discusses a study that was conducted on autism diagnosis in vaccinated and unvaccinated children. The results were that amount of diagnosed autistic children was not affected in either group.
I'm not a big fan of giving so many shots to my daughter, but the consequences of her getting one of the preventable illness are not worth refusing to give them to her.
I guess he's had some but not all.
Hi, I'm lurking here a little early. I'd like to jump in if that's ok with you ladies.
One point that people don't think about with about vaccines is how they help protect other newborns and little ones in the community. If all the people in a community are vaccinated they can't pass a disease on to a new baby. If one child is not vaccinated they could contract something and end up fine, but their newborn sibling might not.
exactly, or the people who the vaccines don't work on.
This is super-long, sorry.
As someone who has worked in Special Ed, and Autism specifically, for over 12 years, I want to bash my head off the table. And then throw darts at pictures of Jenny McCarthy. If she were a doctor I would want her charged with malpractice and falsely educating people. But she's not a Dr. She was a Playboy model turned actress and "author." I don't typically take my medical advice from Playboy articles, so....
On my OWN to do list for Monday if booking my own son's 12 month appt and vaccines. I don't want him to have Autism. I don't want him to have the measles. Or mumps. Or rubella. Or polio. Or pertussis. So, I will do my best to prevent the ones I feel are actually preventable.
Most current research on ASD is focusing on genetics, and perhaps environmental pieces along with genetics. There are a number of families I have worked with where a cousin, parent, etc. has some degree of autism. There is a much higher chance of having a second sibling with ASD if you already have one. Boys are 4x more likely than girls to have Autism, and boys are 10x more likely to have Aspergers. Are people vaccinating their sons but not their daughters???
Why do we have such high populations of Autism in areas like Silicon Valley where highly intelligent but socially awkward "computer nerds" are marrying other similar people? Do people in this area vaccinate at a higher rate, or are these people on the spectrum and have some degree of challenges themselves?
One "case study" for you from a family I worked with for 7 years: son has severe autism; dad is "quirky" but held down a job and had a family (though needed to alternate Coke/Sprite/Coke/Sprite in the fridge door, and can't make small talk to save his life unless it is about traffic which he will tell you about for hours, and won't eat bread crust, any ice cream but vanilla, and won't try any chips other than regular, and eats the exact same lunch everyday and therefore cannot travel or go out for lunch at a restaurant, and can't shave because he finds the sensation painful...). Paternal grandmother BEYOND ritualistic (Monday is laundry day - fine, fairly typical. Even if Christmas fell on a Monday - not typical.) and anti-social. When I met her when I was only 18 my alarm bells where going off immediately. When Grandma was 86 and moved into a nursing home she was diagnosed with Aspergers. Paternal uncle also has developmental delays. Paternal aunt is a nursing professor and has no challenges. I don't believe we should live in fear of this "new" epidemic, so much as realize cases are getting more severe (generation by generation?) and we are also diagnosing individuals rather than just giving them a generic label of "retardation" and institutionalizing them like in past generations. If the son had never had Autism, maybe we would have all just ignored these "quirks" in the older generations, but there is no doubt these other family members shared many characteristics to a lesser degree.
I have worked with 7 pairs of brothers who have ASD. 3 of these families have additional siblings, mostly sisters, who don't have ASD. These families have vaccinated all of their siblings the same way. Another family I know of had triplets - one with CP, one with ASD, and one typically developing. In another family mom didn't talk until 4, eldest son had ASD, 2 daughters had delayed speech, and now youngest son is being screened for ASD. Vaccines alone cannot account for why certain individuals are more likely than others to have Autism even within the same family.
One of the families I worked with had an older son with Autism and a 1 year old daughter. The mom told me that she knew almost right away something was up with her son, but she was told she was a FTM and overreacting. Once she had a second, typically-developing child, she knew she had been right all along. She said there were so many things her second child did that the first never had (even before vaccines!) Her first never made eye contact, he only pointed out sunshines in books and pics while her daughter would point to people and animals, he resisted being held and comforted at only a few months old, he didn't play reciprocally or engage in waving and clapping with his parents, etc.
A significant number of children ASD also have developmental delays and intellectual challenges, and often even early milestones are delayed or atypical. However, it's hard to diagnose some of these things in a very young child. We know there can be such a wide variation of what is "normal" - we see that on these boards everyday. As kids get older though, there are red flags that are more obvious, and often they DO coincide with the age of certain vaccines...because they are getting vaccines every few months. It's coincidental. It's overly-simplified to blame vaccines, and I DO understand that parents and professionals are grasping at straws and desperate to place blame and find a way to be in "control" and feel like they can do something to prevent it, but the original study was irresponsible and gave false information and false hope.
The most recent studies have shown that it's most likely environmental, with a smaller amount of genetic risk. I haven't seen a study that pinpointed exactly what environmental factors cause it, but we do know that it's not as much genetic as they originally thought. There's also lots of evidence that anything foreign we put into our bodies causes some sort of risk. That includes pesticides, preservatives in food, etc.
Personally, I am not anti-vaccine. But, I do space them out b/c I don't agree with putting that many toxins into such a small body at once.
To answer your question, I have not heard of anything linking an unvaccinated child to autism.
This post makes me want to stab my eyes out with forks.
Vaccines save lives and do not cause autism. Thank god my kid goes to daycare and they require them.
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I seriously cannot comprehend this "debate."
Your post references "common sense" but you appear to have none. You know these vaccines help prevent DEADLY diseases right? What exactly is your question?
Keep your un-vaccinated kid away from mine, mmkay?
Thank you! There are many, MANY fools on these boards who delay vaccines or worse do not vaccinate their spawn. It is absolutely disgusting to me. I work in healthcare and have seen children die from pertussis. Vaccines protect against DEADLY diseases.
Thats excatly what I said, and she replied saying that her daycare accepts kids w/out their vacinnes. Mine does NOT!! Thank god.
Breastfeed infants should be getting immunity from the mother's antibodies.
Well I'm sure many of these non-fools on the board didn't breastfeed their baby. And it is scientific fact that breastfeeding helps babies fight off or recover quicker from some diseases. So let the debates continue...
Yup, you know breastfeeding definitely fights polio, pertussis and rubella! Hahahahahahahhahahhahahhahahha!!!
Bless your heart!
p.s. I did BF, you fool! I also have a fully vaccinated child.
Agree with PP. My baby was breastfed and vaccinated, thankyouverymuch. It is irresponsible to not vaccinate your children.