- Pregnancy
- Baby & Toddler
- Parents
- Getting Pregnant
- Baby Names
- Product Reviews
-
Registry
- Community
-
More
Want a personalized experience?
Download the free app
October 2011 Moms
~~FFFC~~
This discussion has been closed.
Re: ~~FFFC~~
When I first started traveling abroad (circa 2002), I prepared myself for all for all of the "American hating" I was bound to get along the way. Meh...only got into conversations with a few people a couple of times about it and there was always drinking involved on their end, so take that as you will. A lot of the things that people wanted to discuss ended up not being true about Americans. I know this is pointing out the bleeding obvious, but not all Americans are shielded from international issues. I think it should be pointed out that we have a very large and populated country, so our own countries issues tend to out-do international ones in say, a thirty minute evening news show. I live in a big state, California, and there are so many issues going on just here, that I even feel like national issues tend to not be highlighted as much as I'd like to see, much less international ones. Also, Americans don't travel to foreign countries as much, because they're further away and it costs us so much more. It's not like we have the a Ryanair equivelent and 20 close countries at our fingertips. So, we have that working against us too.
I lived abroad for a number of years, four of those years in Oman. Not once did I ever feel like I needed to hide being an American. We were all welcomed with open arms. Every country has it's issues, not every country or it's countrymen are liked by all others, we just happen to be the biggest and the most in the spotlight. It's just my opinon, but I really wish Americans would stop this projected self-hating.
On the flip side, there is no reason to be out of touch with the rest of the world so long as the internet is a free place for us to explore.
And you didn't post the pictures?!
I love this! Sounds like something I would do
I feel your pain too and I only have 1 kid! DH is salary as well which sucks and now he is working 12 hr days plus a commute and as of the beginning of May he is working 7am-11pm on Saturdays. I'm over it!
Ha, I've been doing this for days trying to get G laughing at Jimmy because Jazzy wanted to see it. He's been very serious about feeding the dog this week, sadly, and not as jovial as he used to.
I agree that you shouldn't feel bad.
My FFFC - I really don't even want to attempt to breastfeed this baby. We had latch issues and I pumped for 5-6 weeks before my supply dried up and I hated it. I can't imagine pumping with 2u2. I go back and forth constantly. I'll probably try in the hospital but I can't say I'll push for breastfeeding. Thankfully, DH is supportive either way.
I did post a picture and no, A doesn't laugh while feeding Shadow either. It's serious business. That dog needs to eat and they are conspiring against me, that is no laughing matter.
I did post a picture and no, A doesn't laugh while feeding Shadow either. It's serious business. That dog needs to eat and they are conspiring against me, that is no laughing matter.
Wait, whaaat? I am not anti-vax (I was the OP), I found out that someone I knwo was and I was horrified. Why do you think i am dumb?
My FFFC is that after DH and I had a nice, steamy, adult weekend away last weekend, I have been less than interested in doing the deed this week. There's just something so much more enticing about "vacation sex".
Thank you. I haven't stopped thinking about this post since I read it but haven't been able to formulate an appropriate response. Now I don't have to, since you did!
No!!! I don't think you are dumb. The Bump swallowed my edit!
Ok. Phew...was wondering what I did. Other than my blatant typo in the very sentence after I asked why you think I am dumb, I really couldn't see a reason.
Would it really blow your mind if I told you that, as much as I love my children, I actually enjoy working and having an identity in addition to my identity as "mom"? I am not saying that people who SAH do not have an identity besides "mom". it is what you make of it. But I know that if I SAH, I would not be able to separate myself from that role, ever. I know this from the times I was on maternity leave. I get very wrapped up in my children to the point where I find it almost impossible to see beyind that role: To get out and do things on my own sometimes, socialize with friends without my kids, etc. And I am not as big of a fan of who I become in that situation.
But there are women out there who are better moms BECAUSE they work outside of the home. Oh, and DH tolerates DD's crying FAR better than I do.
I told DH this morning that I feel like a single mom that SAH. From 5-7pm is pure hell in this house, it takes all of my strength to get through it without his help and today will be day 3 of me doing it alone. I think I am a strong bush but my 2 year old can make me lose my mind come 5pm....
I have never been sick from drinking and have never been hungover. I can count on one hand the number of times I've been drunk, and I also hated it. The first time I got drunk I was a crying mess, so I decided I needed to get happy drunk. Yeah, didn't like that, either. There are very few drinks I like the taste of (I think I'm overly sensitive to the taste of alcohol, 'cause I notice it in things nobody else does) and I prefer having a very slight buzz to being drunk. I haven't had any alcohol since New Year's Eve 2010 (right before getting pregnant) and I don't miss it one bit.
BFP #1: July 12, 2010 Natural M/C: July 26, 2010
BFP #2: January 30 ,2011 Born: September 29, 2011
BFP #3: January 5, 2013 Born: August 25, 2013
When exactly was this magical time when women stayed home? There have been women in the workforce (even, gasp, mothers) since there has been a workforce.
I think you have nostalgia for a past that never existed.
I don't want to sit here all day explaining the details of what will forever remain my opinion, but I will say that I believe in ONE income households. I really don't care if the stay-at-home is a man or a woman (in my family, a woman) and if they are unfortunate enough to be alone, well then they are the family's 1 income. I was saying that women insisting on going in the workforce is what changed this. Lowered income and made it increasingly hard to surrive on one income. That is just the truth, I just don't like the outcome, you and others obviously do and that's fine. I am tolerent of most opinions.
Since other people have addressed your "confession" about women in the work force, I thought I'd tackle this one. (BTW, you seem to have confused "unpopular opinions" with "confessions", but I think you might have done this on purpose to benefit from the flame-free aspect of Fridays? Sorry that didn't work out for you.)
It's not just North Americans who are blinded to what's going on in the rest of the world. (And I'm also tired of Canadians getting lumped in with Americans on this front, but that's another issue.) I'm also not sure what the fact that "the world hates Americans and they have reason to" has to do with Israel's treatment of Palestinians (who continuously blow up Israelis and have made vows that there will be no peace until "all the Jews are pushed into the sea," but again I digress). And my guess is that you could find children living in squalor in your own country, too.
But I agree with you that people need to get out there and get educated on what's going on in the world. CNN isn't going to do it for you: the media sensationalizes things and doesn't show every day life in these countries, it shows the unusual, upsetting, devastating events.
BFP #1: July 12, 2010 Natural M/C: July 26, 2010
BFP #2: January 30 ,2011 Born: September 29, 2011
BFP #3: January 5, 2013 Born: August 25, 2013
Me too!! I do drink (as I posted on another thread) about once a month, with my MoMs group when we have our monthly night out. But I didn't like the drunk feeling and make sure I never EVER get even close to that point!
It largely wasn't a matter of women insisting on going into the workforce, though. Women have always been in the workforce, and yes, married women and mothers too. Single income families have always only been possible for some people. Economic reality was what drove most married women to seek work, not just desire to work. Demanding equality in the workforce is a relatively new thing, but working women are not.
1. Originally, you said women are better at kids than men. That is not the same as believing in a one-income household. Also, WE ARE a one-income household. I am a full time student and am away from my children just as much as if I had a job. My family is happy and thriving, much like many of the other families you are dismissing because they are not like yours.
2. Single parents are not necessarily unfortunate and do not need your pity.
3. I can't stand the bullshiz you spew.
Just want to mention that I am all for equality in the workforce.
Also, it was during the war when all our great men/women went to serve and women had to take over the jobs here, but then didn't go back home when the men came home and went back to work, that really squashed the one income household, at least that's what I have read and learned in school. We always had some women in the workforce, just not so many. And the norm was a one income household. Now the norm is 2.
YES!!!!!!! Thank you. I am not always very good at expressing myself. I am a good person and don't want anybody to not work if they want, I just wish it was easier to afford to stay home
The rate of married women who worked continued to increase in the 1950s. So even in the middle class, Leave it to Beaver height of the baby boom, lots of married, middle class women with kids worked. In 1950, 30% of workers were women. And this was a time when the average age of marriage was like 19, so yeah, a shitton of those women were married.
That doesn't make sense, though. Two income families are a symptom of an economy that makes it harder for people to afford to stay home, not the cause.
Actually, after WW2 there was a huge societal push toward the traditional family model. A large number of women gave their jobs to men, went home and made babies.
My selfish desire to have a house, buy nice things for my family (and myself) as well as be able to afford nice wine and good tequila are my motivations for being a 2 income household. That is all.
Alright, I need to challenge your basic assumption here. What exactly was does the "downfall" of America entail? Is it the decline in teen pregnancy and alcohol use? The tightening of FCC regulations on content? Ever-increasing restrictions on access to abortion? Maybe the slight decline in the last decade in the number of working mothers? Or perhaps the decline in the divorce rate, or the rise of evangelical churches?
I'm confused as to how you determined that US culture is some kind of cesspool.
Gawd Pearblossom my love for you just keeps growing!!!!!
Where is that badge we discussed last week??
It may have something to do with the fact that she gets assistance and is in debt from her IVF treatments but I am just guessing.
I'm right there with you on the no research thing... never occurred to me to NOT vaccinate L... I trust my pedi.. she vaccinated me when I was a baby so I think she know's what she's doing.
My confession is that L is still no where near STTN and as much as I hate waking up every few hours, I have no desire to try any form of CIO. Call me a wuss, but I just can't sit there and listen to her wail her eyes out ... maybe one day I'll reach my "breaking point" and try it.. but no yet.
I am chalking this opinion up as an idea that has not been thought through. If women did not have a prominent role in society YOU would not have the amount of rights, care and equality that you enjoy now.
If only one part of society (i.e. men) make ALL of the rules then the left out party will be harmed and less represented. No one can advocate women's rights to health care, reproductive rights, and one million other issues that are important to women like other women. I don't want to trust that a man will know what's best for me.
Not to mention, it is important to see women in roles of power holding jobs that require intelligence and competence in order for men to truly be able to see us as equals, IMO. This doesn't mean that all women have to have these types of jobs just that SOME do (I don't want to be president but I sure hope that some woman is one day!)
I will second this, because I can't find the words right now... Wow.
I can relate. Socially I am very shy and I was really nervous to start posting. Glad we can be newbs together
A few points about what I bolded above.
1) You believe in one income households? I find this to be a strange way of saying it. I believe they exist, too. I also believe that two income households exist. What you mean is that you think they are better for the children. That is NOT the same as saying you think that women entering the workforce brought about the ruin of society. First, you need to realize that you have brought up two separate issues here, and no matter how much you try to combine them you can't. At least not in a logical way.
2) Based on some of your other responses, I think you are talking about women entering the workforce during the world wars. It wasn't so much that they "insisted" on it as it was necessary. And women entering the workforce didn't raise the cost of living, but people can (and do) survive on one income. It's when they want all the extras that a second income becomes necessary.
3) You keep talking about opinions, but this is Flame Free (yeah, right) Friday CONFESSIONS. Unpopular opinions was yesterday, which is where this belonged (emphasis on the "unpopular").
BFP #1: July 12, 2010 Natural M/C: July 26, 2010
BFP #2: January 30 ,2011 Born: September 29, 2011
BFP #3: January 5, 2013 Born: August 25, 2013
My very late FFFC: I hold online grudges. If someone posts something stupid I will remember it and judge her for it, no matter how normal she tries to act later.
I guess I am like this IRL, too (poor SO, it's like I have a mental file of every idiotic thing that he has said/done over the past decade).