there was a comment by someone about 'tickling being abuse' in that jillian michaels article (in the comments section of the actual people magazine article online, not on here) in people b/c she said something about her life being tickling & kisses.
I'm curious about thoughts on tickling. I realize that tickling can be an abuser's way of trying to get intimate in a 'fun' way and that people who work in child care or who have personal experiences with this have issues with tickling. However, I'm just wondering how people think about it when we're talking about your own children, not someone else with your children, and I don't mean like 10 year olds, but babies & toddlers.
I personally hate being tickled other than a light touch on my back or arm type of tickle. However, my kids love being tickled- I don't know this b/c they laugh, but because they ask to be tickled. Like if we tickle their belly or foot, they'll laugh & then ask us to do it again, or run away & laugh and come back and say "do it again!". My DD in particular likes to have her back tickled (not aggressive laughing kind, just run fingers lightly kind of tickle). She will specifically ask me to tickle her back or MH to tickle her feet. I have asked MH not to tickle them aggressively where they're laughing a lot b/c that is what I don't like about tickling, when you feel like you can't stop laughing/breathe. But I know he just sees it as a fun affectionate thing and there is nothing sexual or anything like that, along the lines of kisses/cuddling/hugging. I think he would be really upset if someone ever insinuated to him that this was 'abuse' or that he had any sort of inappropriate motives.
So, thoughts? I really don't want to upset anyone who has a history of sexual abuse b/c I do understand that viewpoint, but in terms of just you & your LO's other parent (as long as you don't suspect that person of having any sort of weird motives), what are your thoughts?
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Tickling is only abuse if the kid really really really doesn't like it and the adult continues tickling.
Like screaming, trying to get away, is scared that the adult will tickle kind of really doesn't like it.
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I guess I never thought of it like that. I mostly tickle DD under her neck, on her arms and thighs. DH tickles her tummy and she loves it. I've never noticed anyone else tickle her and we usually stop once the laughter dies down.
I know when I was little, my dad would tickle me and I hated it. He loved to make us squeal but at a certain point, tickling stops being fun. It wasn't like abusive tickling, he just couldn't tell when I was tired of being tickled and needed a break. So I learned to hate it altogether.
I tickle DD. She finds it hilarious. If it bothered her however or she showed signs of being upset by it, I wouldn't do it. I also don't mind if family members tickle her. If a stranger tried to it would bother me. I just don't like strangers touching my kids though.
My father tickled me relentlessly. He would not stop when I wanted him to stop. He thought it was funny and it was not. I couldn't breathe, I was out of control, I peed my pants once or twice, but because I was laughing he thought I liked it. It was not funny.
I tickle Ro frequently though. She likes it. I am very, very mindful of when enough is enough. With Ro I will tickle for a few seconds and quit. If she wants me to keep going she will ask for more or grab my hand and bring it to her belly. That is working well for us.
I've got no issues with tickling your kids if they enjoy it. DD loves it.
It's always about intent. Just like kissing your kids is a good thing - unless you have some horrible, inappropriate motive. Hugging your kids is a good thing - unless you have some horrible, inappropriate motive. KYIM?
I tickle all three of my kids. My oldest I typically get an exasperated "Mom!" from, my middle child laughs and laughs but doesn't leave when I warn something like move your feet or I'm going to tickle you. The baby gets tickled on her feet or under her chin and then she will hold the foot out to be tickled again or throw her head back to be tickled again.
I think it is dependent on the situation.
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I have no issues tickling my own LO, or if family does.
I don't think it is just about intent. My father definitely is not a sexual predator and not particularly abusive, though he is thoughtless. It was still not a good experience for me. Like I said, because I was laughing he thought it was funny, but for me at least laughing when being tickled is a reflex and I couldn't control it. Sexual abuse aside, people should be careful about tickling, because you can't always tell when your child really likes it or not.
Tickling is fun, but in small doses and should be initiated by the child.
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We had a family friend who used to pretend to try and pick our noses - now that's abuse!!!
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Thanks all- I totally agree with this (and I'm sorry that you had that experience w/ your dad) & I guess this is my fear with the tickling issue- MH does not tickle them relentlessly at all. I would immediately put a stop to it if I ever felt like my kids were trying to get away or something (which they're not since they keep asking for it). I guess when I saw that statement "tickling is abuse & I wish these sites would realized it" or whatever on there, I was like wth?! Also I know someone who had a male relative who tickled his daughter's back at a public event once, not for very long I don't think & someone there called the authorities and I believe he may have had his rights with her restricted (I think he was divorced). I don't know the whole story & she was older (8-10 maybe?) and I don't think she was protesting or anything like that but the person observing it thought it was inappropriate I guess and decided to call the police. I don't know the whole story but I guess this made me think of that & how it is so easy to have motives & actions misinterpreted with something we think of as just being affectionate.
I pretend my hand is a bee and make a buzzing noise and then quickly tickle LO on his stomache or under his arm. When I start making the buzzing noise he knows it is coming and will sometimes even do it himself. Otherwise I don't really tickle him. He is too little to let me know if it bothers him and since my DH hates being tickled I am mindful that LO could be the same way.
I don't see tickling as abuse unless it is done in a malicious manner or persists even though it is unwanted.
I'm pretty anti-tickle, myself, mostly because I hate it. The maddest I've ever been at DH is once when he held me down and tickled me and wouldn't stop. He thought that because I was laughing, I was okay with it. I did laugh because I couldn't help it--but I also felt completely helpless and victimized. I know that sounds silly, but any situation in which you are being held down and forced to endure something physically unpleasant is just not OK.
So I am very sensitive about tickling Betsy. I will only lightly tickle her back and arms, and when DH tickles her I hover and make him stop at the slightest indication that she's had enough. However, she loves it. She also love to tickle us.
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We love tickling. DS asks to be tickled and if you stop, he'll ask you to tickle him again. He also loves to tickle us. I think as long as the child enjoys it, and it's done out of love, there's no problem with it. Maybe as the child gets older you need to define what is ok, and what is not ok in case they encounter the "grooming" kind of tickling.
Also, it's sad that our society has come to this. You can't even have a tickle fight with your own kids without getting the side eye.
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Just don't tickle like Nana did and it's all good. Damn pointy fingers all up in people's ribs :-p
We tickle affectionately. The rule in our house is that always, always, ALWAYS you stop any physical contact when the person being touched says stop. Tickles are the same. You never ever tickle, wrestle, hug, tap, or anything when the person being touched says no.
If our kids said they didn't like being tickled, we wouldn't do it.
The issue isn't tickling per se, I think. The issue is touching someone when they don't want it.
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Yeah, when the kid asks you to stop, you stop. Ticlking is not abusive per se, but it can be.