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? about testing without RPL

From all of the treatments that I have had, I have only had one confirmed pregnancy and miscarriage.  Since I'm not experiencing RPL, my RE is not encouraging additional testing (plus in Canada you have to beg them to do anything that the province pays for). 

My question is, has anyone gone ahead with the whole list of testing even without RPL?  Or am I now being ridiculous in asking for unnecessary testing?

ETA: I had an HSG two year ago that showed clear tubes and then I had a hysteroscopy last August.  Is it worth it to do another HSG? 

 
me 33/DH 36
ttc since 10/2008; d/x: mild MFI, stageII endo
~~PAIF/SAIF Welcome~~
11 IUI’s = 1 m/c (7w4d)
IVF#1 January 2012 BFN, FET #1 April 2012 BFN
Surprise BFP October 2012 m/c (7w), Surprise BFP April 2013 m/c (6w4d)
IVF #2: July 2013, ET 1 embryo 7/18, beta 1 @ 14dp3dt - 757, beta 2 @ 16dp3dt - 1762
U/S 1 @ 6w4d = 1 little frogger with HB of 118, U/S 2 @ 7w3d measuring right on track with HB of 160
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Re: ? about testing without RPL

  • How many transfers have you had total?  Repeat failure of IVF can also be a reason to pursue more testing. 
    TTC #1 Since 4/2010, Cycle 30
    Positive for HLA-B27, I'm a mutant :p
    Testing - Me ok, gluten issue? DH - borderline count, low motility
    4/28/11 IUI#1 = BFP!(5/25), EDD 2/2/12 - m/c 5w3d
    7/3, 7/31, 9/25 - IUI#2-4=BFN
    IVF#1 - 1 blast = BFP!! (12/30), EDD 9/9/12, confirmed c/p 4w2d
    FET#1 3/2/12 - 2 blasts =BFP!! EDD 11/18/12, us#1 = twins! Confirmed m/c 5w6d
    4/20-surprise BFP and another c/p 4w2d
    FET#2 7/16/12 - 2 blasts = BFN
    FET#3 8/20/12 - 1 blast - BFP!! Beta #1-2=177, 354
    1st u/s 5w6d, one beautiful little HB :), 2nd u/s 146bpm
    baby girl born 5/10/13

    TTC#2 since 12/17/2014, Cycle 8
    Repeat Testing...FSH=12, AMH=3.8, AFC=28. 
    IUI#5 5/10/15- c/p?
    IVF#2 8/19/15 - cancelled due to cysts
    IVF#2 take two 10/2015 - 5 blasts frozen
    FET#4 12/11/2015 - BFN - 4 blasts remaining
    FET#5 2/18/16 - BFP!!!  Beta1-3, 126, 250, 745!!

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  • BzeetyDBzeetyD member

    I had the RPL panel run after our 2nd loss. My clinic assured me that it was more likely lightening striking twice, but I felt I couldn't continue costly treatments without knowing. Also I didn't want to go through a loss again (not that a RPL panel will stop a loss, but if there was a cause, then we could try to prevent it.)

    I was happy that they ran it. And our results were all negative. So it was lightening striking twice. I hope.

    I'm going to ask our RE about doing a test for DNA fragmentation at our WTF tomorrow. We'll see what she thinks.

    Good luck.

    BzeetyD = 38, Mr. BzeetyD = 44 together 12/02 married 9/08
    TTC #1 since 1/10
    DX: Unexplained/??? MFI issues

    Our lil' lost sparks:
    5w3d loss 7/30/10 - EDD March 2011
    8w loss 4/15/11 - EDD November 2011
    8w3d loss 8/2/12 - EDD March 2013
    4w c/p loss 10/29/12 - EDD July 2013

    Long story: trying on our own + testing testing testing with 6 rounds of Clomid, more testing, injectables + TI, laparoscopy - one tube blocked, 2 IUIs with Follistim...BFNs.
    RPL testing all normal, Karyotyping normal

    Moving on to IVF.

    IVF #1 April 2012 = BFN, IVF #2 June 2012 = BFP. U/S 7/23 = saw heartbeat but measuring behind. Follow up U/S on 7/30 - no heartbeat. D&C 8/2. Trisomy 12. IVF #3 Oct 2012 = Chemical Pregnancy

    Phone consult with CCRM on 12/12/12 - ODWU 1/4/13 - both tubes clear(!) - AFC 24, AMH 3.2, FSH 9.6, LH 5.4, E2 25. DH has high frag rate but improved!
    IVF #4 March 2013 CCRM. EP protocol w/ Menopur, Gonal-F & Dexamethasone. ER 3/29 & IMSI, PICSI. 43R 13M 10F 6blasts bio'd. CCS testing reveals 3 normals!!!
    FET 5/31/13 of 1 4AA blast - thawed and expanded. 4dp5dt BFP.
    Beta 9dp5dt = 181, 11dp5dt = 427. 1st u/s showed a healthy heartbeat! EDD 2/16/14

    After 4 years of hoping and heartbreak, our sweet little bean was born on 2/19/14
    We are so in love with her.

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  • imageGregermis:
    How many transfers have you had total?  Repeat failure of IVF can also be a reason to pursue more testing. 

    I have only had two transfers and they were recent.  My only positive was from my very first IUI about two years ago. 

     
    me 33/DH 36
    ttc since 10/2008; d/x: mild MFI, stageII endo
    ~~PAIF/SAIF Welcome~~
    11 IUI’s = 1 m/c (7w4d)
    IVF#1 January 2012 BFN, FET #1 April 2012 BFN
    Surprise BFP October 2012 m/c (7w), Surprise BFP April 2013 m/c (6w4d)
    IVF #2: July 2013, ET 1 embryo 7/18, beta 1 @ 14dp3dt - 757, beta 2 @ 16dp3dt - 1762
    U/S 1 @ 6w4d = 1 little frogger with HB of 118, U/S 2 @ 7w3d measuring right on track with HB of 160
    Stick Frogger Stick! Please!!!!!!!!!!!!!   It's a Girl, EDD April 7, 2014

    BabyFruit Ticker

  • I would push for RPL and immune testing if possible.

    GL cutie.

    I feel like when you have to go to these "extremes" to get pregnant all this testing should be done up front, it's just b/w.  I feel like b/w is cheaper than repeated cycles and losses.

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    Courage doesn't always roar. Sometimes courage is the little voice at the end of the day that says I'll try again tomorrow. ~Mary Anne Radmacher (thank you beadinglady)

    It's been a long journey. TTC since 9/06. multiple IUI's and IVF's and 4 m/c's. IVF#3 = BFP, twins, induced at 34w6d due to baby b passing away (no explanation). Delivered on 35w1d, Baby A - baby girl, and Baby B - baby boy, our little angel.
    MTHFR A1298C & C677T, Immune Issues and Factor II
  • imageBeeBee08:

    imageGregermis:
    How many transfers have you had total?  Repeat failure of IVF can also be a reason to pursue more testing. 

    I have only had two transfers and they were recent.  My only positive was from my very first IUI about two years ago. 

    Thanks for the reminder.  I would think 1 loss + two failed transfers is enough to warrant a further look.  Most of what I have read in terms of repeat IVF failure is auto immune, though.  And my RE is stubborn about even considering it, let alone testing for anything. 

    One thing that might be worth looking into if you haven't is being tested for celiac's.  Women going through IF are 100x more likely to test positive than the general population.  (it's asymptomatic)  But the general gist/idea is that you aren't absorbing enough nutrients from food and vitamins so your linning isn't very nourshing to the developing embryo.  I'm still waiting to hear on my results for that one.

    TTC #1 Since 4/2010, Cycle 30
    Positive for HLA-B27, I'm a mutant :p
    Testing - Me ok, gluten issue? DH - borderline count, low motility
    4/28/11 IUI#1 = BFP!(5/25), EDD 2/2/12 - m/c 5w3d
    7/3, 7/31, 9/25 - IUI#2-4=BFN
    IVF#1 - 1 blast = BFP!! (12/30), EDD 9/9/12, confirmed c/p 4w2d
    FET#1 3/2/12 - 2 blasts =BFP!! EDD 11/18/12, us#1 = twins! Confirmed m/c 5w6d
    4/20-surprise BFP and another c/p 4w2d
    FET#2 7/16/12 - 2 blasts = BFN
    FET#3 8/20/12 - 1 blast - BFP!! Beta #1-2=177, 354
    1st u/s 5w6d, one beautiful little HB :), 2nd u/s 146bpm
    baby girl born 5/10/13

    TTC#2 since 12/17/2014, Cycle 8
    Repeat Testing...FSH=12, AMH=3.8, AFC=28. 
    IUI#5 5/10/15- c/p?
    IVF#2 8/19/15 - cancelled due to cysts
    IVF#2 take two 10/2015 - 5 blasts frozen
    FET#4 12/11/2015 - BFN - 4 blasts remaining
    FET#5 2/18/16 - BFP!!!  Beta1-3, 126, 250, 745!!

    Image and video hosting by TinyPicLilypie Angel and Memorial tickers

    Tons of love and ((hugs)) to my IF sister NMscubagirl


  • reb259reb259 member
    When i cycled with Houston ivf, he ran rpl tests on me without me without me even asking. Have you thought about getting a second opinion next time you are in Houston? Just being creative, maybe a clinic here can do the testing for you.
    I am AMA and all tests on H came back normal
    3 failed IVF with OE and 2 failed frozen DE cycles
    Last fresh hail mary DE cycle starting Feb 2013
    PAIF/SAIF always welcome
  • imageGregermis:
    imageBeeBee08:

    imageGregermis:
    How many transfers have you had total?  Repeat failure of IVF can also be a reason to pursue more testing. 

    I have only had two transfers and they were recent.  My only positive was from my very first IUI about two years ago. 

    Thanks for the reminder.  I would think 1 loss + two failed transfers is enough to warrant a further look.  Most of what I have read in terms of repeat IVF failure is auto immune, though.  And my RE is stubborn about even considering it, let alone testing for anything. 

    One thing that might be worth looking into if you haven't is being tested for celiac's.  Women going through IF are 100x more likely to test positive than the general population.  (it's asymptomatic)  But the general gist/idea is that you aren't absorbing enough nutrients from food and vitamins so your linning isn't very nourshing to the developing embryo.  I'm still waiting to hear on my results for that one.

    Yes, celiac's is one thing I had tested right off the bat when I started seeing a naturopath about three years ago.  Good Luck with your results!  I hope you get the result you would like to see from that test!

     
    me 33/DH 36
    ttc since 10/2008; d/x: mild MFI, stageII endo
    ~~PAIF/SAIF Welcome~~
    11 IUI’s = 1 m/c (7w4d)
    IVF#1 January 2012 BFN, FET #1 April 2012 BFN
    Surprise BFP October 2012 m/c (7w), Surprise BFP April 2013 m/c (6w4d)
    IVF #2: July 2013, ET 1 embryo 7/18, beta 1 @ 14dp3dt - 757, beta 2 @ 16dp3dt - 1762
    U/S 1 @ 6w4d = 1 little frogger with HB of 118, U/S 2 @ 7w3d measuring right on track with HB of 160
    Stick Frogger Stick! Please!!!!!!!!!!!!!   It's a Girl, EDD April 7, 2014

    BabyFruit Ticker

  • imagetheworms:

    I feel like when you have to go to these "extremes" to get pregnant all this testing should be done up front, it's just b/w.  I feel like b/w is cheaper than repeated cycles and losses.

    I totally agree and that's why I can't figure out why they don't just do it!

     
    me 33/DH 36
    ttc since 10/2008; d/x: mild MFI, stageII endo
    ~~PAIF/SAIF Welcome~~
    11 IUI’s = 1 m/c (7w4d)
    IVF#1 January 2012 BFN, FET #1 April 2012 BFN
    Surprise BFP October 2012 m/c (7w), Surprise BFP April 2013 m/c (6w4d)
    IVF #2: July 2013, ET 1 embryo 7/18, beta 1 @ 14dp3dt - 757, beta 2 @ 16dp3dt - 1762
    U/S 1 @ 6w4d = 1 little frogger with HB of 118, U/S 2 @ 7w3d measuring right on track with HB of 160
    Stick Frogger Stick! Please!!!!!!!!!!!!!   It's a Girl, EDD April 7, 2014

    BabyFruit Ticker

  • imageBzeetyD:

    I had the RPL panel run after our 2nd loss. My clinic assured me that it was more likely lightening striking twice, but I felt I couldn't continue costly treatments without knowing. Also I didn't want to go through a loss again (not that a RPL panel will stop a loss, but if there was a cause, then we could try to prevent it.)

    I was happy that they ran it. And our results were all negative. So it was lightening striking twice. I hope.

    I'm going to ask our RE about doing a test for DNA fragmentation at our WTF tomorrow. We'll see what she thinks.

    Good luck.

    This is what we did. Everything came back normal, but if I was going to invest the money in IVF I wanted to know there wasn't something that we could fix, that could prevent it from working.

    TTC since 5/2010
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    IUI #1 (w/clomid)-9/5/11-BFN ; IUI #2 (w/clomid)-10/5/11 - BFP - 11/1/12-No sac seen; 11/2/11 and 11/9/11-Methotrexate 
    IVF #1- ER 2/2; ET 2/5;-Two 8 cell embryos transfered = BFFN
    Surprise BFP - 5/7/12
    U/S on 6/8/12 - H/B at 128 BPM; U/S on 6/14/12 @ 9wks-No H/B-D&C on 6/17/12
    IVF 2.0- ER 10/17; ET 10/20-One 12 cell, one 10 cell and one 8 cell embryo transfered
    BFP!   11/16/12 U/S- Two nuggets with perfect heartbeats! EDD 7/10/13

     

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  • My RE requires some of the RPL tests and additional immune tests prior to IVF regardless of loss or not.  

    After I lost the twins I had the full work up, which found a few more things but are treated the same way as the things we already knew about. (Lovenox and BA)

    If you can get them to do it, I would for sure.  If it can help prevent a loss or help with implantation which immune issues impair, I totally think it is worth it.

    TTC since 07/2009
    Me: PCOS, Blood/Immune Issues DH: Low all 3
    Jun.- Sep. 2010 IUI#1-#3 = BFN
    Oct. 2010 = IVF #1 = B/G Twins (passed away Feb. 2011)
    May 2011 = Myomectomy and trans-abdominal cerclage (TAC)
    Sep. 2011 = Surprise BFP = C/P
    Feb. 2012 = sFET #1 = BFN
    Feb.2012 = Hail Mary IUI #4 = BFN
    April/May 2012 = FET #2 w/our last two embies = BFP (Please let this be it!)
    Beta #1 8dp5/6dt = 234 Beta #2 10dp5/6dt = 695 Beta #3 12dp5/6dt = 1796 Beta #4 17dp5/6dt = 17,888 U/S #1 May 17, 2012 = Twins
    Baby B's heart stop beating at 9 weeks 5 days
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  • I now have a requisition for a full RPL work up and another HSG.  I don't know what it will reveal, but I feel happy.

     
    me 33/DH 36
    ttc since 10/2008; d/x: mild MFI, stageII endo
    ~~PAIF/SAIF Welcome~~
    11 IUI’s = 1 m/c (7w4d)
    IVF#1 January 2012 BFN, FET #1 April 2012 BFN
    Surprise BFP October 2012 m/c (7w), Surprise BFP April 2013 m/c (6w4d)
    IVF #2: July 2013, ET 1 embryo 7/18, beta 1 @ 14dp3dt - 757, beta 2 @ 16dp3dt - 1762
    U/S 1 @ 6w4d = 1 little frogger with HB of 118, U/S 2 @ 7w3d measuring right on track with HB of 160
    Stick Frogger Stick! Please!!!!!!!!!!!!!   It's a Girl, EDD April 7, 2014

    BabyFruit Ticker

  • imageBeeBee08:
    I now have a requisition for a full RPL work up and another HSG.  I don't know what it will reveal, but I feel happy.

    Yay! Good luck on the tests B. 

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