January 2012 Moms

**UO**

Somehow, my brain interpreted UO as *unusual* instead of *unpopular.*  (But really, is there much of a difference between the two terms?)

So, what is your unpopular/unusual opinion this Thursday?

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  • I can't stand little women in big trucks.  It is not hot; it is trashy.

    And destination weddings are ridiculously stupid.  For most people, it is living beyond their means.  They need to get over themselves.

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    I can't stand little women in big trucks.  It is not hot; it is trashy.

    And destination weddings are ridiculously stupid.  For most people, it is living beyond their means.  They need to get over themselves.

    For a lot of destination weddings, I agree. I got married in Vegas - partially because I knew some of my extended family wouldn't/couldn't go. Hahahaha. But it was also only Vegas - if you planned correctly, you could get a cheap flight and a cheap hotel room if your standards aren't too high. My parents even offered their timeshares to people and used their casino credits for free rooms.

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    I can't stand little women in big trucks.  It is not hot; it is trashy.

    And destination weddings are ridiculously stupid.  For most people, it is living beyond their means.  They need to get over themselves.

    For a lot of destination weddings, I agree. I got married in Vegas - partially because I knew some of my extended family wouldn't/couldn't go. Hahahaha. But it was also only Vegas - if you planned correctly, you could get a cheap flight and a cheap hotel room if your standards aren't too high. My parents even offered their timeshares to people and used their casino credits for free rooms.

    Maybe I should amend mine LOL.  We live in AZ. If people go to San Diego or Las Vegas...fine; people will often have to travel to a wedding anyway. But we have friends who wanted to get married in Hawaii; luckily, they broke off the engagement 2 weeks before the wedding (/eyeroll). 

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    I can't stand little women in big trucks.  It is not hot; it is trashy.

    And destination weddings are ridiculously stupid.  For most people, it is living beyond their means.  They need to get over themselves.

    For a lot of destination weddings, I agree. I got married in Vegas - partially because I knew some of my extended family wouldn't/couldn't go. Hahahaha. But it was also only Vegas - if you planned correctly, you could get a cheap flight and a cheap hotel room if your standards aren't too high. My parents even offered their timeshares to people and used their casino credits for free rooms.

     

    My cousin had her wedding in Sedona, AZ.  We live in Chicago.  It was the dumbest waste of money ever.  No one is into the power of the red rocks or the vortexes.....retarded.  

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  • I like it when my mom complains/is sad about not seeing DD. it shows me how much she loves us :) also she offers to pay for us to come see them! Free vacation, and time with family. (she lives in vt we are in tx so it will be a good summer getaway) 
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    I can't stand little women in big trucks.  It is not hot; it is trashy.

    And destination weddings are ridiculously stupid.  For most people, it is living beyond their means.  They need to get over themselves.

    For a lot of destination weddings, I agree. I got married in Vegas - partially because I knew some of my extended family wouldn't/couldn't go. Hahahaha. But it was also only Vegas - if you planned correctly, you could get a cheap flight and a cheap hotel room if your standards aren't too high. My parents even offered their timeshares to people and used their casino credits for free rooms.

    Maybe I should amend mine LOL.  We live in AZ. If people go to San Diego or Las Vegas...fine; people will often have to travel to a wedding anyway. But we have friends who wanted to get married in Hawaii; luckily, they broke off the engagement 2 weeks before the wedding (/eyeroll). 

    Try flying to St Thomas for a desination wedding which was canceled on Monday when we were set to fly out on Thursday! Everyone but the bride, groom and their parents went since it was already paid for and we got to enjoy everything but the ceremony. A little awkward at times being around the family/friends of the other party but we still enjoyed the vacation.

     My UO- I like being back at work. I miss my DS but I get a lot of satisfaction from my job. And it doesn't hurt they have given me another raise since I have been back!

  • I really dislike how some people seem to be of the opinion that being a martyr somehow makes you a better mom.

    Just because someone DOESN'T breast feed through mastitis or get up 10x per night or enjoy every waking moment with their LO doesn't mean they are a bad mom.

    Sometimes people need to go out for drinks with a friend instead of put LO to bed that night, or stop BFing because it makes their life miserable, or put LO in the swing/bouncer/jumperoo/whatever for a little while to eat a nice meal or watch TV or whatever. 

    Doing those things doesn't make you a bad mom.  They make you a person who is aware of her needs and who understands that putting yourself first can actually make you a better mom. It's not healthy to live every moment of your life putting someone else first. 

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  • I hate it when adults wear shirts with cartoon characters on them. (ex: Tweety Bird, Winnie the Pooh, etc). So trashy. They are probably worn by the small women in big trucks!!! LOL
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    I hate it when adults wear shirts with cartoon characters on them. (ex: Tweety Bird, Winnie the Pooh, etc). So trashy. They are probably worn by the small women in big trucks!!! LOL

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    I really dislike how some people seem to be of the opinion that being a martyr somehow makes you a better mom.

    Just because someone DOESN'T breast feed through mastitis or get up 10x per night or enjoy every waking moment with their LO doesn't mean they are a bad mom.

    Sometimes people need to go out for drinks with a friend instead of put LO to bed that night, or stop BFing because it makes their life miserable, or put LO in the swing/bouncer/jumperoo/whatever for a little while to eat a nice meal or watch TV or whatever. 

    Doing those things doesn't make you a bad mom.  They make you a person who is aware of her needs and who understands that putting yourself first can actually make you a better mom. It's not healthy to live every moment of your life putting someone else first. 

    Agreed!! (Says the woman who's baby is currently rolling around on her playmat so I can have a sandwich and go on the bump).

    Can't think my own UO this week... 

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  • I let my son take his afternoon nap on my chest. I'm a SAHM and he'll only be little for so long, so why not? He sleeps in his own bed at night, so he knows how to sleep by himself.
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    I can't stand little women in big trucks.  It is not hot; it is trashy.

    And destination weddings are ridiculously stupid.  For most people, it is living beyond their means.  They need to get over themselves.

    For a lot of destination weddings, I agree. I got married in Vegas - partially because I knew some of my extended family wouldn't/couldn't go. Hahahaha. But it was also only Vegas - if you planned correctly, you could get a cheap flight and a cheap hotel room if your standards aren't too high. My parents even offered their timeshares to people and used their casino credits for free rooms.

    Maybe I should amend mine LOL.  We live in AZ. If people go to San Diego or Las Vegas...fine; people will often have to travel to a wedding anyway. But we have friends who wanted to get married in Hawaii; luckily, they broke off the engagement 2 weeks before the wedding (/eyeroll). 

    Try flying to St Thomas for a desination wedding which was canceled on Monday when we were set to fly out on Thursday! Everyone but the bride, groom and their parents went since it was already paid for and we got to enjoy everything but the ceremony. A little awkward at times being around the family/friends of the other party but we still enjoyed the vacation.


    At least you got a vacation out of it, that sucks! It seems like all of our friends are having destination weddings. One couple was actually very sweet and understood that we couldn't come to Hawaii with a 5 week old (and I felt bad about not being able to go), but another couple seems a little put-off that we can't fly from CA to GA for their wedding next month, and we're not as close with them! I'm sorry, we just don't have an extra $1000 to drop on a weekend trip right now :-/ grr.

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    I hate it when adults wear shirts with cartoon characters on them. (ex: Tweety Bird, Winnie the Pooh, etc). So trashy. They are probably worn by the small women in big trucks!!! LOL

    This one made me LOL.  I have an aunt who wore an oversized, stained tweety sweatshirt (no hood)  to CHRISTMAS.  I just didn't get it.  She also still wears Keds.

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  • Because I'm EBF, I have to wear a bra with nursing pads all the time or I'll leak all over the place. I miss the days where I could come home from work and take off my bra before I put on my comfy house clothes. Sometimes I just want to free-boob it, but can't. Also, sometimes I want to FF instead of BF. I get so tired of pumping and nursing, even though BFing is something that I want to do for DS. I hate that when he's at daycare, I can't take a nap for more than 3 hours because I have to get up and pump.
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  • I hate the whole "my baby is on a schedule" thing. They are babies they eat, sleep, poop, and cry whenever the hell they want to.
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    I hate it when adults wear shirts with cartoon characters on them. (ex: Tweety Bird, Winnie the Pooh, etc). So trashy. They are probably worn by the small women in big trucks!!! LOL

    This one made me LOL.  I have an aunt who wore an oversized, stained tweety sweatshirt (no hood)  to CHRISTMAS.  I just didn't get it.  She also still wears Keds.

    YES! They are ALWAYS OVERSIZED! Why is that?!???? 

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    I hate the whole "my baby is on a schedule" thing. They are babies they eat, sleep, poop, and cry whenever the hell they want to.

    this a million times this

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    I hate it when adults wear shirts with cartoon characters on them. (ex: Tweety Bird, Winnie the Pooh, etc). So trashy. They are probably worn by the small women in big trucks!!! LOL

    This one made me LOL.  I have an aunt who wore an oversized, stained tweety sweatshirt (no hood)  to CHRISTMAS.  I just didn't get it.  She also still wears Keds.

    YES! They are ALWAYS OVERSIZED! Why is that?!???? 

     

    Oh boy all these trucks/cartoon posts are making me laugh so much but DS is napping on my lap so I have to hold in my laughter so he won't wake up!

     

    And speaking of weddings, I hate it when people plan their wedding over a holiday weekend like memorial day or labor day.  We only get so many days off from work and generally I don't want to waste a 3 day weekend by spending one day of it at a wedding. I'd rather take advantage and go camping or something.

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  • I haven't been invited to a destination wedding, but I'd be annoyed too.  We did our wedding at the renaissance festival, but we added everyone's tickets to the budget because I felt bad about asking my wedding guests to pay to get into the wedding.  I felt bad enough about the hotel costs everyone had to pay because of course very few people lived close to the festival.

    My UO is that I don't understand people spending a ton of money on cakes.  Sure, I can appreciate a stunning wedding cake, but why spend $5-10+ per slice on something you only get to enjoy for half an hour (except in pictures)?  Plus most wedding cakes don't even taste that good because they try to go fancy with the flavors.  And there's always leftover cake.  DH isn't a big cake person, and I didn't want all that cake sitting around.  So we were begging people to take cake leftovers home with them.

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  • I'll probably get flamed for this, but I cannot stand when people put their hands in the shape of a heart and take a picture.  Or when a husband and wife put their hands somewhere (on a pregnant belly, around baby's feet, etc.) in the shape of a heart.   It's soooo annoying.  Reminds me of gang symbols and/or Justin Bieber.  Or maybe it's the fact that my stupid sister in law thought it'd be a cute photo op when we did ds's newborn pics.  Anything that's her idea is just annoying because she's annoying.  Speaking of newborn pics, I get annoyed that everyone's newborn pics these days look the same.  Mine included.  Baby with knit cap sleeping, baby with knit cap and long tassels.  Baby sleeping with knit hat.  Baby with a headband and no hair.....  I know I know, look at my siggy....but everything just seems so overdone.  Maybe because I'm just exposed to it so much having a new lo.....
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    Speaking of newborn pics, I get annoyed that everyone's newborn pics these days look the same.  Mine included.  Baby with knit cap sleeping, baby with knit cap and long tassels.  Baby sleeping with knit hat.  Baby with a headband and no hair.....  I know I know, look at my siggy....but everything just seems so overdone.  Maybe because I'm just exposed to it so much having a new lo.....

    Haha I know what you mean!! I never wanted to get those kinds of pics done, I mean, if its cold enough that a baby has to wear a knit cap, then why the heck is the rest of their little body always naked?  Same with the headband thing on girls.  I know its supposed to be cute, but I just don't see the cute in it.  Most of the time, people photoshop the crap out of them so it doesn't even look like the actual baby, which is why they all look the same to me.   I will also admit I'm guilty of non functional props, the 3D glasses with the lenses popped out don't serve much of a purpose either, but at least its not the same old, overdone knit caps. 


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  • I BF and I have nothing against those who FF... except my cousins. I generally hate everything they do when it comes to their kids because I think they just had babies because it was the thing to do right then. So, I do kinda look down on them for formula feeding. I also think my kid is leaps and bounds cuter than all of theirs together. 
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  • Here's mine.... :) People who decide to keep having kids who can't afford them. Not just about those who have so many they need welfare to pay for them but those idiots who don't have any savings, insurance, plan for the future, etc.  Just because you think babies are cute doesn't mean you can afford or should have 10 of them.  Don't deny your child the same opportunities others have because you live on ramen and have a *** load of debt to keep having those cute babies....  Be responsible people!

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    Here's mine.... :) People who decide to keep having kids who can't afford them. Not just about those who have so many they need welfare to pay for them but those idiots who don't have any savings, insurance, plan for the future, etc.  Just because you think babies are cute doesn't mean you can afford or should have 10 of them.  Don't deny your child the same opportunities others have because you live on ramen and have a *** load of debt to keep having those cute babies....  Be responsible people!

    I know what you mean.  My friend, J,  has a daugther, E, who had a baby at 17.  E loved being a mom while the baby was little and cute but as soon as the novelity wore off she started slacking off in the parenting department and relying on J to take care of the baby.  Bad blood ensued between J and E and lots of other drama occurred.  E no longer has custody of her baby who's now 3 and is being rasied by J's parents (who have MS and mesletheomia/emphesimea) because E wouldn't let J have custody of the child. 

    Well, now E has gone and had another baby.  She was going to give the baby up for adoption but her BF couldn't go through with it once he saw the baby.  E doesn't have any means of taking care of the baby and she's already told J to be prepared to take this child as well.

    Aaaannnnddd...E just posted on FB that she's looking into becoming an egg donor for the $$$.  I know she'll never qualify because who wants the eggs of a bi-polar pot head with a seizure disorder.

    So I guess my UO for today is that I believe in manditory BC for those on welfare.  If you can't afford to take care of yourself and the child/ren you have right now then you have no business having more.

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    I can't stand little women in big trucks.  It is not hot; it is trashy.

    And destination weddings are ridiculously stupid.  For most people, it is living beyond their means.  They need to get over themselves.

    For a lot of destination weddings, I agree. I got married in Vegas - partially because I knew some of my extended family wouldn't/couldn't go. Hahahaha. But it was also only Vegas - if you planned correctly, you could get a cheap flight and a cheap hotel room if your standards aren't too high. My parents even offered their timeshares to people and used their casino credits for free rooms.

    We went to Vegas too! I had so much fun!  we didn't "take" anyone and only my parents came out but we did ours last minute. cheap flight, good deal on the hotel because it was off season, wedding package and rented dress.  We spent about $2000 wedding and honeymoon combined.

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    Here's mine.... :) People who decide to keep having kids who can't afford them. Not just about those who have so many they need welfare to pay for them but those idiots who don't have any savings, insurance, plan for the future, etc.  Just because you think babies are cute doesn't mean you can afford or should have 10 of them.  Don't deny your child the same opportunities others have because you live on ramen and have a *** load of debt to keep having those cute babies....  Be responsible people!

    I know what you mean.  My friend, J,  has a daugther, E, who had a baby at 17.  E loved being a mom while the baby was little and cute but as soon as the novelity wore off she started slacking off in the parenting department and relying on J to take care of the baby.  Bad blood ensued between J and E and lots of other drama occurred.  E no longer has custody of her baby who's now 3 and is being rasied by J's parents (who have MS and mesletheomia/emphesimea) because E wouldn't let J have custody of the child. 

    Well, now E has gone and had another baby.  She was going to give the baby up for adoption but her BF couldn't go through with it once he saw the baby.  E doesn't have any means of taking care of the baby and she's already told J to be prepared to take this child as well.

    Aaaannnnddd...E just posted on FB that she's looking into becoming an egg donor for the $$$.  I know she'll never qualify because who wants the eggs of a bi-polar pot head with a seizure disorder.

    So I guess my UO for today is that I believe in manditory BC for those on welfare.  If you can't afford to take care of yourself and the child/ren you have right now then you have no business having more.

    If only it would work that way...but you can't MAKE them take a pill every day or use a condom every time, and sterilizing them just takes away too many human rights. I vote for a stricter welfare, if any at all, because of situations like this:

    There was a lady at my work who actually asked us to schedule her less hours because the government would give her more money if we did. Are you *** kidding me? I had to explain to her that we couldn't schedule her less without hiring a new person, and we'd rather find a person that would be willing to work the full amount and basically weren't going to hire a person to fill in 10-15 hours a week. Get serious. So...she quit.

    There's another manager at my work who still live(d) with her parents and is pregnant. I totally get that accidents happen, and I'm not judging for that, but it gets to me that she gets to take a longer maternity leave than I because she doesn't have real world expenses(rent/mortgage, car payment, energy, etc.), and she's going on WIC as well. It kind of pisses me off that my H and I have to bust our asses to have all the nice things we have when I feel like sometimes others get this "get out of jail free" card. Then I wonder do I really want them to suffer? No. But maybe they should have to stress and struggle a bit more like the rest of us.



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  • This thread has me laughing today.  

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    I hate it when adults wear shirts with cartoon characters on them. (ex: Tweety Bird, Winnie the Pooh, etc). So trashy. They are probably worn by the small women in big trucks!!! LOL

    Indeed.  

    Along those lines, what is with adults who are into cartoon characters? Like, my cousin and aunt *lovelovelove* Disney or a friend of mine adores Eeyore or DH's best friend's ex-fiance's love of Marvel comics. Come on. Most of them are all 40+ (with the ex-fiance being the only exclusion).

    Or worse, why tattoo yourself with a comic? My BIL1 has Calvin from Calvin and Hobbes tattooed to arm. It is almost as bad as one of my patients who has a penis tattooed to his arm (long story). 

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    I hate when people are trying to be helpful and make more work for you or ask so many questions that it would have been easier just to do it yourself. My mil has "helped" me fold the laundry several times since ds has been born. I usually fold when she's over so I have something to do to keep my sanity because I can't stand the woman. Well the second I have to feed ds she will grab it and try to fold (mostly so she can brag to the rest of the family about how much she helps me). She asks me a million times how I like each article folded. I'm not particular about it and could careless if a tee shirt is folded in half or three times. I clearly say that it doesn't matter but she will ask me if it's "ok" after she folds each item. Ahhhh! Shut up and leave it alone. This also goes when putting away dishes. Please leave it alone because if I have to show you each cabinet then I can do it myself. I know it sounds ungrateful but I didn't ask for help and don't need it.
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    So I guess my UO for today is that I believe in manditory BC for those on welfare.  If you can't afford to take care of yourself and the child/ren you have right now then you have no business having more.

    What happens if the birth control fails? I forgot to take mine one time and look at my siggy. I'm a responsible person. Or do you think other forms of birth control should be used? If that's true what about people who morally don't think other forms of birth control are okay? Are people on welfare not allowed to have different morals just because they are in a crappy place?

    Oh my...I don't think I've ever caused drama before. I'm really just curious though 

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    So I guess my UO for today is that I believe in manditory BC for those on welfare.  If you can't afford to take care of yourself and the child/ren you have right now then you have no business having more.

    What happens if the birth control fails? I forgot to take mine one time and look at my siggy. I'm a responsible person. Or do you think other forms of birth control should be used? If that's true what about people who morally don't think other forms of birth control are okay? Are people on welfare not allowed to have different morals just because they are in a crappy place?

    Oh my...I don't think I've ever caused drama before. I'm really just curious though 

    My opinion is that they should have to get the shot. Its not permanent so as soon as you are off welfare, you can start having children. You can't help it if bc fails and you were doing everything possible but if you are on the pill and aren't responsible about it then its your problem not mine. *I do understand that there are bc failures that are not preventable so please don't flame me.* As far as morals go, you don't have to take welfare if you qualify. No one is being forced. But if you want the benefits you should expect to have to jump through a few hoops, if they are against your morals don't take the benefits.

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    My opinion is that they should have to get the shot. Its not permanent so as soon as you are off welfare, you can start having children. You can't help it if bc fails and you were doing everything possible but if you are on the pill and aren't responsible about it then its your problem not mine. *I do understand that there are bc failures that are not preventable so please don't flame me.* As far as morals go, you don't have to take welfare if you qualify. No one is being forced. But if you want the benefits you should expect to have to jump through a few hoops, if they are against your morals don't take the benefits.

    So it's ok to discriminate against religion when it comes to using our tax dollars?

    I'm sorry I don't want to make any one angry. 

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  • The last thing anyone needs is the government getting involved in our reproduction rights. 
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    The last thing anyone needs is the government getting involved in our reproduction rights. 

    Yes

    While I don't like people taking advantage of the system, this is the US and we, as citizens, have rights. That IMO is one of the things that makes this country so great.

    If the gov't started meddling in everything we did, we'd lose bits of our freedom, and that's not what I want to deal with. I like my rights how they are :) 

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  • I hate when people say there is no such thing as a stupid question, because, yes, there really are. 

    If I've told you the answer before and you proceed to ask me the same question three more times, then yes it is a stupid question.

    If you can find the answer yourself by looking it up, then yes it is a stupid question.

    Maybe it is a personality flaw, but I have had two different technicians drive me insane, both for the same reason.  I'll show them how to do something, and then they ask me every day, day in and day out, how to do that function.  Seriously. Write notes. Don't ask me stupid questions. If you are unsure of yourself, then ask one of your fellow technicians, but stop bothering me. Besides, after one or two times, you shouldn't be unsure. Oh, and you won't break something I can't fix. Sheesh.

    Or, I show them how to find the answer, and the next time, instead of looking it up where I showed them, they ask me. It is worse when I'll find the answer by looking it up in the same place where they can look it up. 

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    So I guess my UO for today is that I believe in manditory BC for those on welfare.  If you can't afford to take care of yourself and the child/ren you have right now then you have no business having more.

    What happens if the birth control fails? I forgot to take mine one time and look at my siggy. I'm a responsible person. Or do you think other forms of birth control should be used? If that's true what about people who morally don't think other forms of birth control are okay? Are people on welfare not allowed to have different morals just because they are in a crappy place?

    Oh my...I don't think I've ever caused drama before. I'm really just curious though 

    My opinion is that they should have to get the shot. Its not permanent so as soon as you are off welfare, you can start having children. You can't help it if bc fails and you were doing everything possible but if you are on the pill and aren't responsible about it then its your problem not mine. *I do understand that there are bc failures that are not preventable so please don't flame me.* As far as morals go, you don't have to take welfare if you qualify. No one is being forced. But if you want the benefits you should expect to have to jump through a few hoops, if they are against your morals don't take the benefits.

     

    So whats the income limits for mandatory bc?  How much do you know about welfare? there are different levels, and different types.. so I'd just like to know what you think a reasonable income would be to have a baby so I dont break your income restrictions with my second. 

    For that matter, if you get pregnant and then have to go on welfare because you lost your job... do we also force an abortion because they are on welfare and welfare people cant have kids? 

    To quote Bridget Jones, that sounds like something "balding upper-middle-class twits" would say.. no offence or anything but it doesn't sound like you know much about the system as is. you're making assumptions that are probably based loosely around something that you've seen once or twice. Thats assumption about everyone on the system which is kind of wrong. How did you like my assumptions about you? Not very nice now is it? Do you like being on that end, on the one being belittled and judged because of your social status? Maybe its my Vermont-up bringing ways but at least we keep that kind of presumptuous snobbery to our selves. 

    Nobody wants the goverment dictating what can go into their uterus, this is why people migrate out of china.

    Since this is not a FFFC, flame away. 

    It is an UO! We all have them, you don't have to agree. I didn't mean to attack anyone personally, its definitely an opinion. I don't pretend to know a lot about the subject and I know it wouldn't be fair to many of the people who are actually using the programs for their intended purpose.  It is frustrating to see people abuse a system which is there to help others.  It is also fun to see this board come alive, even if I have to be unpopular!
  • I'll jump in the discussion.  I'll also apologize in advance if I say something that insults anyone's morals.  If you simply disagree with me, I offer no apologies for that. Wink

    While I agree with checking up on people to make sure nobody abuses the system, those people who need the help should have access to it.  People get into sticky situations where they need government assistance.

    My pregnancy was a surprise, and my health insurance (funded by my parents) didn't even offer maternity.  I asked if I could get maternity when I moved in with my then-boyfriend, but they wouldn't offer it.  And my parents weren't willing to shell out for a separate maternity policy (I was/am unemployed).  DH and I were engaged, but even if we eloped, we would've had to wait to put me on his insurance.  So we applied for medicaid until I could get on his insurance, but medicaid was just there to pick up the copay once I could get on DH's insurance.  I'm grateful for it because we would've gone into debt with all the doctor bills and ultrasound fees without it.  Even though we'd probably still qualify for welfare since we're a family of 3 living on one income, we're living comfortably enough and don't need it to get by.  So I didn't reapply when it expired (although DS has it for the first year automatically since I had it while pregnant).

    That's just my story, but I don't think the government should have a say in how many children we have.  Some conservatives would say welfare recipients should be on birth control, but they would also say that the government shouldn't pay for abortions.  Both are invasive statements to me.  Yes, it's morally wrong to have babies just for the welfare money, but people on welfare have aspirations for their families.  Some would like to have children while others would like the chance to avoid having an unwanted baby.  Doesn't it sound 'big brother'ish to advocate allowing the government to rescind allowing the poor to choose the size of their family?

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    Ok I'll jump in on the conversation. I'm not going to flame anyone because I believe everyone is entitled to their opinion. My main issue is responsibility. Just because you want something (in this case a baby) doesn't mean you should. It is your responsibility to that child to be able to provide for him/her. If you can't then you should direct your attention in finding a way to better your situation so you can then have a child. Welfare is there to help people who fall on bad times not to support those who refuse to support themselves. My mil ended up on welfare for a short time after my fil left her to care for four children on her own. She took the help while she found another way to support her family. That is what the system was designed for. If a woman becomes pregnant accidentally fine but for for those who do it repeatively just so they can collect more money then they should have to be on bc to continue to receive aid. I'm sure it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out who needs help and who is abusing the system.
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    Also.. your opinion isn't very unpopular.. the Nazi's adopted it in the 1930's. Sterilization of the unfit/poor. While there's was permanent, and you were discussing temp sterilization but its the same beast you're flirting with. History tells us that it didn't work out well. 

    Wasn't Hitler a fan of American eugenics?  Wasn't Margaret Sanger also a proponent of negative eugenics and founder of Planned Parenthood? Oh, and so was Winston Churchill, Alexander Graham Bell, Teddy Roosevelt.  Maybe our heroes were just not able to enact their policy as well as Hitler. At least Hitler was able to do it with gusto and much success. (/sigh ... this was sarcasm in case people don't realize it.)

    I really hate when Hitler is brought up. It is like the race card.  It cancels out any point the previous person was trying to make with one broad, sweeping hand.

    Sterilizing is a very unpopular topic in today's world.  Mind you Hitler was 60+ years ago and the height of the eugenics movement was almost 100 years ago. I could be mistaken but I'm sure eugenics fell out of popularity once the atrocities of Germany (as well as America, Russia, other countries) came to light.  I really doubt any of us are willing to say we approved of Hitler killing off homosexuals, Jews/Roma, Catholics/Jehovah Witnesses, etc. And I really doubt that the pp was espousing the same doctrine. 

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  • Oh, and one more thing:

    If someone pays for something, inevitably they will want to put their hand into the lives of the people who take that something.

    For instance, healthcare. If you want Medicare, Medicaid, universal health care in the US, then be prepared to deal with the over-reaching arm of the government.  It is this argument that is basis for allowing the government to dictate what we put in our bodies in regards to the obesity epidemic. It is also why, when our employers pay for a portion of insurance, they can say they will not hire smokers and enforce, through cost, monitoring of your health and, eventually, tag you for being overweight.  

    The reason for this is simple, it is in their (the government, the employer) best interest to keep costs down.  If being overweight or smoking increases those costs, then they will do as much as they can to reduce those costs through penalizing the individual for "bad habits." 

    Likewise, if the government is going to pay for your food and housing, the more mouths you have to feed means the more they will have to spend to support you.  And the more children you have, means the more they will pay to keep those children healthy. 

    And those costs have to be paid by someone.  That someone is the 53% of Americans who pay income taxes.  (Yes, there are things like social security and sales tax but for argument sake, I'm using income taxes.)

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    I can't stand little women in big trucks.  It is not hot; it is trashy.

    And destination weddings are ridiculously stupid.  For most people, it is living beyond their means.  They need to get over themselves.

    I'm a little woman and I often drove my husband's big truck. but I can't park it. 

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