Before I chose an RE, I went to two to see who'd I'd like to work with better. Both wanted to standard testing but one insisted on a saline sonogram or HSG prior to starting treatment (every patient they treat has one regardless of hx); the other started IUIs without it.
Is this something I should absolutely be asking for? I've talked to a few girlfriends with kids and both had successful pregnancies without this. However, none of them have dealt with infertility either.
Of course, there is no way of me knowing for sure, but I am fairly certain that my inability to conceive is due to my age/DOR as opposed to an issue with my tubes or uterus.
I've had a ton of ultrasounds and they've always been normal; but I understand that the saline sonogram is something different. I am trying to avoid doing this unless I absolutely need to due to the expense (and the pain) factor.
DOR and AMA
2/12-5/12: 4 IUI cycles = all BFN;
7/12: DE IVF # 1 (with ICSI)- 20R, 16M, 14F, 5DT of 2 blasts; 6 frosties = BFN;
Lupus anticoagulant initially high, then found to be normal on hematology consult;
Follow up testing in September all clear;
Started synthroid for "high normal" TSH;
FET # 1- late October 2012- BFP on FRER; beta # 1- 21(low), beta # 2- 48 (still low), beta # 3- 132, beta # 4- 1,293; beta # 5- 5,606; last beta- over 100,000. First u/s 11/21- heard heartbeat
12/12- Officially an OB patient!
Level 2 ultrasound at 20 weeks shows vasa previa and VCI
Referral to MFM and mandatory c section for delivery
Beautiful baby girl born at 34 weeks
Finally home after 15 day NICU stay!
Trying for sibling: FET # 2- May 2014; beta 5/31, BFN
FET #3, early July 2014; beta 7/14, BFN
DE IVF # 2- August 2014; 14R, 13M, 11F, 5dt of 2 blasts (3 AA), 5 frosties = BFN
FET #4- December 2014, yet another BFN
Dr. KK work up shows borderline uterine blood flow, elevated NK cells, and MTHFR mutation (homozygous for c677t)
Added baby aspirin, prednisone, supplements, Metanx, and intralipids
Switched to large clinic for final attempt; had endometrial receptivity testing in January; FET March 2015 = yet another BFN
Likely OAD- NBC
Re: HSG or Saline Sonogram
If your insurance company will cover the cost of the diagnostic tests, then definitely do them.
I had my HSG and SHG done in the same month and both were relatively painless. The HSG was uncomfortable but it was over very quickly.
The HSG will check for blockages in your fallopian tubes which is a must before you start fertility treatments, in my opinion. There are also studies that suggest your are more likely to conceive in the months following an HSG because the tubes are clear and the cilia are standing up on end and make it easier to move the egg along.
The Saline Ultrasound will check for polyps or tumors in your uterus that would not be seen on a regular ultrasound. The saline checks for displacement.
I had a repeat SHG today because I am starting IVF and it has been over a year since my last one. It was more uncomfortable that last time, but my anxiety levels are heightened because I am anxious to get started.
I know it is tough to think about putting off treatment for another month while you have more tests run, but in the end they are worth it. Unfortunately, there is a lot of hurry up and wait in the beginning, but once you get started on a treatment path, you will be surprised how quickly it all goes.
Best of luck to you.
IMO it's a critical test before starting any IF treatments. If you don't know if your tubes are clear you could be wasting a lot of time, money and heartache if you pursue treatment.
I had the HSG. One tube was blocked, but my RE cleared it by increasing the pressure he used to inject the dye. Not everyone is that lucky and it would have limited my treatment options if that tube had remained blocked.
DD born 12.21.09, conceived w/ injects and IUI
TTC#2 since Nov 2011
BFP 2.6.12 m/c 6w5d | BFP 5.25.12 c/p
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3 medicated IUIs, all BFN
-Taking a break from treatment-
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Is the dilemma whether to have (1) an HSG or (2) a saline sonogram? Or is the dilemma whether to (1) have HSG or saline sonogram or (2) go straight to IUI? If it is the former, I can't offer any advice as I've only had an HSG. If it is the latter, I echo the other ladies. I would think it is important to get a test to see if your tubes are clear. Otherwise, if your tubes are blocked, it seems that there wouldn't be much chance of success with an IUI, as the egg still has to make its way to the uterus.
As for the cost issue: I personally think it is worth the cost to avoid wasting money on an IUI that doesn't have a chance of working because of a blockage. Of course, there is a good chance that your tubes are clear, but (to me, at least) that would be important to know. (and I would imagine a doctor could use that information to get closer to a diagnosis). As for the pain: I was very nervous, but the actual procedure wasn't that bad. I probably made it worse because I was so anxious. If that is a concern, you could always ask your doctor for a painkiller.
I hope this is helpful! Good luck!
I did a repeat HSG on CD10 and still did a IUI on CD16 last month. You don't have to be out for an entire cycle. HSG is expensive but I talked the radiology lab into cutting the price because I paid in full out of pocket (I think they took 40% off). I'd do an HSG if I were doing IUI because you need clear tubes. For IVF, no need because you are bypassing that area.
I did a saline sonogram too but that's because they saw something on the HSG in my uterus. Turned out to be a shadow, so no treatment needed.
Good luck.
The HSG is expensive, but may be covered by insurance as a diagnostic. I think it is critical to have done prior to treatment. What's the sense in doing an IUI, if your tubes are blocked?
I've only done SHGs in preparation for IVF, so you might not need to do it prior to IUI. However, that test is not as expensive, and again may be covered by insurance as a diagnostic, so I don't see a reason not to. Everyone is different, but I think most would agree that the anxiety surrounding the tests is worse than the brief physical discomforts of either. Good luck.
Me: 36, DH: 42
Dx: DOR and MFI
DH: low count + very low motility; hormones all normal; Sperm DNA Frag. test = poor to fair; male karyotyping normal
Me: FSH 13.4 + AMH 0.26 + hypothyroidism; Scratch the hypothyrodism (?); Blood clotting and immune panel all negative; endometrial biopsy normal
IVF #1 (MDLF - Jul/Aug 2011): BFN (9R, 5M, 3F with ICSI, 3dt of 1 10-cell grade 2, no frosties)
IVF #2 (EP-antagonist - Sep/Oct 2011): BFN (6R, 4M, 3F w/ ICSI, 3dt of 1 6-cell, 1 7-cell, grade 4s, no frosties)
DE IVF #1 (shared cycle - June 2012): c/p (6R, 6F w/ICSI, 3dt 1 8-cell grade A- and 1 7-cell grade A-; no frosties)
DE IVF #2 (shared cycle with new donor - Nov/Dec/ 2012): - BFP!!!!! 12/14/12. U/S on 12/27 shows twins!!!!!
SAIFW/PAIFW
I didn't actually do either before starting treatments, but it was a well informed risk on my part. We had no reason to think we had a tubal problem (no history of STDs, no symptoms of endometriosis), and we have no insurance for anything IF related. It was cheaper to try a few IUI's, and hope for the best than to do the HSG. After 2 failed IUIs we did do the HSG, and as expected, it was fine.
We only did the saline sonogram before IVF. I don't think that's a critical test, unless you are planning on doing IVF. I think most people would agree that the HSG should be done before embarking on any expensive treatments. I was willing to gamble, but only because we didn't have insurance and I was hoping to get lucky. If we had had insurance coverage for diagnostics, I would have done whatever tests they recommended.
TTC #1 since 2009 with unexplained infertility
IUI#1-4 Jan.-Apr. 2011 = BFNs
IVF#1 Aug. 2011 = c/p, FET #1 Nov. 2011 = c/p, FET #2 April 2012 = BFP!
Beta #1 = 153, Beta #2 = 269, Beta #3 = 675
1st U/S = TWINS!! EDD 12/29/12
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DOR and AMA
2/12-5/12: 4 IUI cycles = all BFN;
7/12: DE IVF # 1 (with ICSI)- 20R, 16M, 14F, 5DT of 2 blasts; 6 frosties = BFN;
Lupus anticoagulant initially high, then found to be normal on hematology consult;
Follow up testing in September all clear;
Started synthroid for "high normal" TSH;
FET # 1- late October 2012- BFP on FRER; beta # 1- 21(low), beta # 2- 48 (still low), beta # 3- 132, beta # 4- 1,293; beta # 5- 5,606; last beta- over 100,000. First u/s 11/21- heard heartbeat
12/12- Officially an OB patient!
Level 2 ultrasound at 20 weeks shows vasa previa and VCI
Referral to MFM and mandatory c section for delivery
Beautiful baby girl born at 34 weeks
Finally home after 15 day NICU stay!
Trying for sibling: FET # 2- May 2014; beta 5/31, BFN
FET #3, early July 2014; beta 7/14, BFN
DE IVF # 2- August 2014; 14R, 13M, 11F, 5dt of 2 blasts (3 AA), 5 frosties = BFN
FET #4- December 2014, yet another BFN
Dr. KK work up shows borderline uterine blood flow, elevated NK cells, and MTHFR mutation (homozygous for c677t)
Added baby aspirin, prednisone, supplements, Metanx, and intralipids
Switched to large clinic for final attempt; had endometrial receptivity testing in January; FET March 2015 = yet another BFN
Likely OAD- NBC