Dismal Fert Report- UPDATE

reb259

I called the clinic and she said to call back at 1:30 but so far it looks like of the 7 they thawed only 4 made it and of the 4 only 3 have fertilized.  Seriously????  I do better with my OE's.

I asked if they would still do a 5dt and she said probably not with that few.  I have had a 3dt with ALL my cycles and they have NEVER worked.  I know many have had a 3dt and found success but I have not.  Do I push for a 5dt and roll the dice we will have nothing to transfer?  I am soooo freaking over this!!  Why even bother at this point.  I am not even sad as much as I am just flat out angry.

UPDATE:

RE called and said we have three growing.  He mentioned that typically frozen eggs are a little slower to grow in the beginning.  He made my choice easy by telling me upfront we will do a 5dt...YAY!!!  He said by day 5 we will have a very idea of which are the best and we will put 2 back.

C'mon embies!!!

Mayan2011

A fert rate of 3/4 is not bad!  The thaw rate, yeah, not great.  I am so sorry sweets.  Does your clinic use vitrification?

I was dead set on a 5dt with IVF 3, but I also knew that our clinic could do it.  If your clinic doesn't do them at all, or rarely, I would be careful with this decision.  Pushing them to do something they might not be properly equipped and/or trained to do may not be the best decision. 

All that said - I REALLY hope you have 3 rockstars growing away.

Grow, embies grow!

xo

lynn0926

Is this your DE cycle? What are their grading? Did you use a frozen egg bank? I am sending tons of growing vibes hun! If this is your DE cycle and they are very good grading maybe push to a 5dt, but if they are fair grading I would do a 3dt. The best place for them after all is in your ute! Grow embies grow!

reb259

Mayan2011:

A fert rate of 3/4 is not bad!  The thaw rate, yeah, not great.  I am so sorry sweets.  Does your clinic use vitrification?

I was dead set on a 5dt with IVF 3, but I also knew that our clinic could do it.  If your clinic doesn't do them at all, or rarely, I would be careful with this decision.  Pushing them to do something they might not be properly equipped and/or trained to do may not be the best decision. 

All that said - I REALLY hope you have 3 rockstars growing away.

Grow, embies grow!

xo

Yes, from what I understand they do 5dt so I am not too concerned about that.  Yes they also use vitrification.  How many did you have last cycle?

reb259

lynn0926:

Is this your DE cycle? What are their grading? Did you use a frozen egg bank? I am sending tons of growing vibes hun! If this is your DE cycle and they are very good grading maybe push to a 5dt, but if they are fair grading I would do a 3dt. The best place for them after all is in your ute! Grow embies grow!

Yes, this is my hail mary frozen DE cycle.  Don't know grading yet and I am not sure if this clinic even gives that...the nurse told me to call back at 1:30 as the info she was looking at has still not been signed off on.  She did say that there is a note that says 4 have already been discarded.

Delta04

Oh Reb, I am so sorry that the you didn't get the numbers you were looking for but I agree with Mayan, 3/4 isn't bad - although I know that doesn't make you feel much better.  I assume this was a frozen donor egg cycle?  I'm praying that those 3 are awesome quality rock stars that will lead to your BFP!

 

Edwina.McDunnough

Ditto Mayan and HUGE HUGE HUGS !!! Three rockstar embryos beat a dozen poor quality ones. I know you know that, but it's really true, and with DE cycles all bets are off. Having hope for you even if you don't.

Mayan2011

reb259:

Mayan2011:

A fert rate of 3/4 is not bad!  The thaw rate, yeah, not great.  I am so sorry sweets.  Does your clinic use vitrification?

I was dead set on a 5dt with IVF 3, but I also knew that our clinic could do it.  If your clinic doesn't do them at all, or rarely, I would be careful with this decision.  Pushing them to do something they might not be properly equipped and/or trained to do may not be the best decision. 

All that said - I REALLY hope you have 3 rockstars growing away.

Grow, embies grow!

xo

Yes, from what I understand they do 5dt so I am not too concerned about that.  Yes they also use vitrification.  How many did you have last cycle?

We had 8 still growing on day 3, but with that said, I made the decision that my RE wouldn't see me until 5dpER no matter what the results were on day 3 - she was completely on board with this.  I don't believe in the philosophy that the best place for them is in your ute.  Your uterus is not where they would be at that point in conception if we could get KTFU 'normally' and this may have negative impacts on some of the more sensitive embryos (i.e., in your ute they are exposed to enzymes and carbohydrates that they wouldn't be in your fallopian tube).  The philosphy that I believe - if they can't make it in the dish, they won't make it in your ute.  I also didn't want to have to wait 2 wks to find out it didn't work and then blame myself.  I know this is a very personal decision and you will likely get many responses from both sides of the fence.

I am sorry you even have to think about this.

xo

reb259

Mayan2011:

reb259:

Mayan2011:

A fert rate of 3/4 is not bad!  The thaw rate, yeah, not great.  I am so sorry sweets.  Does your clinic use vitrification?

I was dead set on a 5dt with IVF 3, but I also knew that our clinic could do it.  If your clinic doesn't do them at all, or rarely, I would be careful with this decision.  Pushing them to do something they might not be properly equipped and/or trained to do may not be the best decision. 

All that said - I REALLY hope you have 3 rockstars growing away.

Grow, embies grow!

xo

Yes, from what I understand they do 5dt so I am not too concerned about that.  Yes they also use vitrification.  How many did you have last cycle?

We had 8 still growing on day 3, but with that said, I made the decision that my RE wouldn't see me until 5dpER no matter what the results were on day 3 - she was completely on board with this.  I don't believe in the philosophy that the best place for them is your ute.  Your uterus is not where they would be at that point in conception if we could get KTFU 'normally' and this may have negative impacts on some of the more sensitive embryos (i.e., in your ute they are exposed to enzymes and carbohydrates that they wouldn't be in your fallopian tube).  The philosphy that I believe - if they can't make it in the dish, they won't make it in your ute.  I also didn't want to have to wait 2 wks to find out it didn't work and then blame myself.  I know this is a very personal decision and you will likely get many responses from both sides of the fence.

I am sorry you even have to think about this.

xo

I agree with you...especially since a 3 day has never worked for me.  I feel like since this is it we may as well go for it.  I really believe if we have nothing at 5 days it would not have worked anyway.

Thanks!!

theworms

Edwina.McDunnough:

Ditto Mayan and HUGE HUGE HUGS !!! Three rockstar embryos beat a dozen poor quality ones. I know you know that, but it's really true, and with DE cycles all bets are off. Having hope for you even if you don't.

triple ditto!

grow embies GROW!!!!

eta - so glad you are feeling better and you're going to 5dt

 

koyn

YGPM

Grow embies grow! 

Mrs.McIrish

Oh Reb!  I am praying for you and your embies. They have to make it. Just keep saying "I think I can, I think I can".  Remember that these eggs are from a young chickie and are so much better than our nasty eggs.  Quality over quantity. I know how hard it is to be positive after so much sh!t etc and I would be freaking too. They just HAVE to be be better than our eggs. Hang in there!!

No help on the 3dt/5dt as I never made it past 2dt.  I am of the belief that if they are good, they are good and they will survive in the dish...

reb259

Thanks ladies!!  I realize I am overreacting a bit and I have to put things in perspective and thanks to Koyn I have.  It is what it is and I will work with what we have.  I will push my RE to do a 5 dt and hope we have something to transfer.  It is out of my hands at this point.

Thanks again for all your support, as you can see I needed to be talked off the ledge!!

cookie_queen

I'm sorry the fert report wasn't what you hoped for. I hope those 3 are rockstars!

amaksym05

theworms:

Edwina.McDunnough:

Ditto Mayan and HUGE HUGE HUGS !!! Three rockstar embryos beat a dozen poor quality ones. I know you know that, but it's really true, and with DE cycles all bets are off. Having hope for you even if you don't.

triple ditto!

grow embies GROW!!!!

I agree! ((HUGS))

mtlaurel

I'm so sorry more eggs didn't survive the thaw, but a 75% fertilization rate is good! And, don't even try to compare to your own cycles (though, I know it's easier said than done) because it's just not the same with DE. I hope they are fantastic quality embryos. Good luck deciding on the 3 or 5dt. Grow embies!

vanessagorc

Huge hugs. I would push for the give day.  I've neer gotten preg on a three day.  My re and I decided we would rather risk having nothing.  If they don't make it to day five, they won't make it at all.  More hugs.  

illinigal

Hugs.  Sending lots of t&ps for your embies.  I hope they grow and thrive.

ellenchris0506

Ugh!  Believe me, I feel your frustration.  I hope with everything crossed that you have 3 super embryos!

JM1977

Edwina.McDunnough:

Ditto Mayan and HUGE HUGE HUGS !!! Three rockstar embryos beat a dozen poor quality ones. I know you know that, but it's really true, and with DE cycles all bets are off. Having hope for you even if you don't.

All of this!  I know how hard it is to stay hopeful, but you've got 3 embryos and a plan!  Hang in there!!!

Faith722

I'm so sorry it wasn't better news.  I'll be praying for your 3 rockstars!

farmerlynda

amaksym05:

theworms:

Edwina.McDunnough:

Ditto Mayan and HUGE HUGE HUGS !!! Three rockstar embryos beat a dozen poor quality ones. I know you know that, but it's really true, and with DE cycles all bets are off. Having hope for you even if you don't.

triple ditto!

grow embies GROW!!!!

I agree! ((HUGS))

Adding another vote!  (((hugs))) and hope sent your way.

Edwina.McDunnough

Hurrah for a fiver and hoping for at least two (if not three) beautiful blasts !!!!!

mdluv21

Sorry for the disappointment but I hope you three thrive and you have great blasts ready on day 5!

nancyjane5150

Hang in there sweetie! I am keeping my fingers crossed that your embies grow!!! I agree with many of the girls that posted quality over quantity!!

genmalone

Oh Reb, I'm so sorry that several didn't make the thaw.  I know you are disappointed but I'm praying that the 3 remaining embies are rockstars.  I'm glad our Dr is on the same page with you on the 5 DT. 

I'll be thinking about you and praying for you, DH and those embies!  And I'll be stalking this board for your updates!

jillychris

Sorry for the initial not so great report, but so glad your udpate from your RE shows that things are looking good. GL with your trio!!!

softbalangel

Glad you are going to have a 5dt.

Sending you lots of luck!

lynn0926

reb259:

Thanks ladies!!  I realize I am overreacting a bit and I have to put things in perspective and thanks to Koyn I have.  It is what it is and I will work with what we have.  I will push my RE to do a 5 dt and hope we have something to transfer.  It is out of my hands at this point.

Thanks again for all your support, as you can see I needed to be talked off the ledge!!

You are not overreacting at all. This is a very big deal! DE is supposed to work and we bank on that. You have put so much time, money, and heart into this. Really hoping for these embies to keep growing strong! 

njohnson1972

Just want to let you know I am cheering on your 3 embies!!

I personally prefer 5dt (though I only did it once), because I hate the agony of doing a 3dt, going through the 2ww and having it fail.  I also believe if they are going to make in the dish just as well as your uterus.

DH on the other hand doesn't like taking the risk that they might all poop out before ET and feels like we didn't give them a chance by putting them back in after 3 days.

It is a tough decision.

But the one thing you do having going for you is that your donor is proven and does have younger, hopefully better quality eggs!!

reb259

njohnson1972:

Just want to let you know I am cheering on your 3 embies!!

I personally prefer 5dt (though I only did it once), because I hate the agony of doing a 3dt, going through the 2ww and having it fail.  I also believe if they are going to make in the dish just as well as your uterus.

DH on the other hand doesn't like taking the risk that they might all poop out before ET and feels like we didn't give them a chance by putting them back in after 3 days.

It is a tough decision.

But the one thing you do having going for you is that your donor is proven and does have younger, hopefully better quality eggs!!

OMG...look at Jack!!  He is so stinkin' cute...

mm29

Hooray for your 5dt!  Grow strong embies!!!  GL and lots of PPV's

Mrs.Voz

Come on, Lil Embies!!!  Keep growin!!!

STL34

((HUGS))  Grow embies, grow!!  Three is more than enough to work.  Sending T&Ps your way!

Mayan2011

Love the update - the optimism is back in your post and I am also sooo glad that your RE's thinking is right in-line with yours!

JM1977

Wonderful update!  It's definitely a whole new ballgame with donor eggs.  Wishing you all the best!

MBfromBMC

I hope you're three embies are rockstars!

naybird

Sorry for the dissappointment, but I'm hoping you get 3 very beautiful blasts!!!!   Good luck darlin!!!!!