Soy isoflavones

Kristen050

This is a two part question. First, what does anyone know about this or have you tried it? I read that it may act like clomid and help with earlier ovulation. There are obviously some mixed reviews but im curious to see if anyone has has any experience with it.

Second, (and feel welcome to cyber slap me with a reality check if I need it) the reason I looked it up in the first place: I'm bummed because AF just started and we're probably out for this cycle already. FF predicts my FW for this month for feb. 9-15. Well DH is out of town feb 8-15. This comes after a crazy LP last cycle that was almost 14 days instead of my usual 10.

So I was thinking i could try the soy, maybe ovulate earlier (I normally o cd 17-20) and have a chance this cycle. I have read that soy also could do thw opposite and gave some people wacky cycles where they o'd later. I figure either way would give us more of a shot than we have now. So what do you think ladies? Give it a try and if it doesn't work no big deal since we are probably out this month anyway or stop trying to mess with my body since it's just one month?

larhun3

No No No No! I wouldn't recommend taking any herbals to induce ovulation. Soy can have some nasty side effects and is it really worth the risk of potentially messing up your cycles? Taking vitamins/herbals without your dr's consent or monitoring is not recommended and I think it is stupid! Impatience/frustration because you may be out one month is not a reason to start messing with your hormones. You may ovulated earlier on your own (it happened to me) or later naturally. Also if your LP is normally 10 and it went to 14 it could be you had a wonky cycle or you could have ovulated later (not detected it) and had your normal LP. Do yourself a favor and quit googling ways to ovulated earlier/later and focus on something positive this month. Many ladies on this board have had bad timing one month and you don't see them running off to get vitamins/herbs.

Sorry if this sounds harsh but it your reasoning just blows my mind.

larhun3

GhostMonkey:

Would you take Clomid without a doctor monitoring you? (The correct answer is no.) You should not take anything that acts like Clomid without speaking with a doctor. Soy contains phytoestrogens and it can screw things up if it isn't something you need. ::waits for julianne to come in and act like its no big deal because she took it without clearing it with her doctor and she's totes preggers::

I forgot about this when I responded to OP...but I totally agree with you! 

Twinkie0612

I'm a little leary of self medicating with vitamins or supplements without consulting a doctor first.  Sometimes even "natural" products have potential side effects or interactions.

 That being said, I do know someone who took soy and it did help her ovulate earlier.  I'm not sure if she was still taking soy when she got pregnant.

Kristen050

larhun3:

No No No No! I wouldn't recommend taking any herbals to induce ovulation. Soy can have some nasty side effects and is it really worth the risk of potentially messing up your cycles? Taking vitamins/herbals without your dr's consent or monitoring is not recommended and I think it is stupid! Impatience/frustration because you may be out one month is not a reason to start messing with your hormones. You may ovulated earlier on your own (it happened to me) or later naturally. Also if your LP is normally 10 and it went to 14 it could be you had a wonky cycle or you could have ovulated later (not detected it) and had your normal LP. Do yourself a favor and quit googling ways to ovulated earlier/later and focus on something positive this month. Many ladies on this board have had bad timing one month and you don't see them running off to get vitamins/herbs.

Sorry if this sounds harsh but it your reasoning just blows my mind.

Definitely not harsh that's why I asked like I said I probably needed a reality check. It's one thing to have bad timing another to have no chance at all though. But you're right it's probably not smart to mess with cycles. I'd also like to see what happens this month and if my wonky cycle was just wonky or my new normal. I have looked at my chart thinking maybe there was some way I o'd later than FF said. I guess it's possible but it just seems very unlikely considering my chart. Thanks to all for the advice and the wake up call!

juliane2004

GhostMonkey:

Would you take Clomid without a doctor monitoring you? (The correct answer is no.) You should not take anything that acts like Clomid without speaking with a doctor. Soy contains phytoestrogens and it can screw things up if it isn't something you need.

::waits for julianne to come in and act like its no big deal because she took it without clearing it with her doctor and she's totes preggers::

Yup, I've taken it (three times). Here's my response to someone else who asked a similar question not too long ago: https://community.thenest.com/cs/ks/forums/thread/62460282.aspx

OP, I took it for the same reason as you were saying: I was O'ing CD 17-24, and wanted to O earlier.

GM, I think it's hilarious that after all this time, you still can't spell my name right.

btaylor19

GhostMonkey:

Would you take Clomid without a doctor monitoring you? (The correct answer is no.) You should not take anything that acts like Clomid without speaking with a doctor. Soy contains phytoestrogens and it can screw things up if it isn't something you need.

::waits for julianne to come in and act like its no big deal because she took it without clearing it with her doctor and she's totes preggers::

 haha!  As soon as I saw this post I knew there was going to be a great response by you and some gibberish garbage by juliane

Ashbear2

juliane2004:

GhostMonkey:

Would you take Clomid without a doctor monitoring you? (The correct answer is no.) You should not take anything that acts like Clomid without speaking with a doctor. Soy contains phytoestrogens and it can screw things up if it isn't something you need.

::waits for julianne to come in and act like its no big deal because she took it without clearing it with her doctor and she's totes preggers::

Yup, I've taken it (three times). Here's my response to someone else who asked a similar question not too long ago: https://community.thenest.com/cs/ks/forums/thread/62460282.aspx

OP, I took it for the same reason as you were saying: I was O'ing CD 17-24, and wanted to O earlier.

GM, I think it's hilarious that after all this time, you still can't spell my name right.

I tried it once- and it didnt work. I already was having wacky cycles, so it didnt phase me. The way it works is that the soy contains "antiestrogens" that trick your body into thinking it doesnt have enough. It produces more of those hormones needed to ovulate- which DOES NOT mean you will. It might make you fake out over and over.

Additionally, taking estrogen, or estrogenic supplements repeatedly is dangerous because it is essentially taking a growth hormone without any other hormones to balance it. Such things, repeated, cause cancer.

Be very careful, and research. After trying it once, I don't think it works for most people. 

larhun3

juliane2004:

GhostMonkey:

Would you take Clomid without a doctor monitoring you? (The correct answer is no.) You should not take anything that acts like Clomid without speaking with a doctor. Soy contains phytoestrogens and it can screw things up if it isn't something you need.

::waits for julianne to come in and act like its no big deal because she took it without clearing it with her doctor and she's totes preggers::

Yup, I've taken it (three times). Here's my response to someone else who asked a similar question not too long ago: https://community.thenest.com/cs/ks/forums/thread/62460282.aspx

OP, I took it for the same reason as you were saying: I was O'ing CD 17-24, and wanted to O earlier.

GM, I think it's hilarious that after all this time, you still can't spell my name right.

 

I think it's ridiculous that you keep spewing your garbage on this board. Especially since your are the same woman who went to the ER for an ultrasound to see where you were when you had one scheduled in the coming days. Do us all a favor and stop posting on this board.

juliane2004

GhostMonkey:

juliane2004:

GhostMonkey:

Would you take Clomid without a doctor monitoring you? (The correct answer is no.) You should not take anything that acts like Clomid without speaking with a doctor. Soy contains phytoestrogens and it can screw things up if it isn't something you need.

::waits for julianne to come in and act like its no big deal because she took it without clearing it with her doctor and she's totes preggers::

Yup, I've taken it (three times). Here's my response to someone else who asked a similar question not too long ago: https://community.thenest.com/cs/ks/forums/thread/62460282.aspx

OP, I took it for the same reason as you were saying: I was O'ing CD 17-24, and wanted to O earlier.

GM, I think it's hilarious that after all this time, you still can't spell my name right.

As evidenced by your blog, your name isn't even remotely close to your sn, so why do you care?

And yep. Same crap, different day. Have you seem a therapist yet? Or are you still in denial about your obsession/anxiety issues?

Because it's my middle name, so it is in my name, so I do care.

Nope.

juliane2004

GhostMonkey:

Why don't you waddle back to your BMB where they will listen to your BS because they aren't aware that you are completely full of crap yet? If the crap you spewed here wasn't actually downright dangerous, I really wouldn't care, but you are advocating women do stupid things that could physically harm them. That's pretty crappy of you.

I never told anyone to do it. I only answer the question "Did you take it and what did it do for you?"