s/o circumcision--clicky

huskymomma94

To go along with the circumcision post below....[Poll]

cmb820

Circumcision has been a strong tool in HIV/AIDS prevention, according to research in the past few years.

Also, I once dated a guy who wasn't and well, eww. haha!

wheelsonthebus

cmb820:

Circumcision has been a strong tool in HIV/AIDS prevention, according to research in the past few years.

Also, I once dated a guy who wasn't and well, eww. haha!

You know, condoms also prevent AIDS.

And let's try to keep this conversation civil. Your comments about intact men being gross are ignorant and offensive. You should be ashamed of yourself.

redheadinlove

wheelsonthebus:

cmb820:

Circumcision has been a strong tool in HIV/AIDS prevention, according to research in the past few years.

Also, I once dated a guy who wasn't and well, eww. haha!

You know, condoms also prevent AIDS.

And let's try to keep this conversation civil. Your comments about intact men being gross are ignorant and offensive. You should be ashamed of yourself.

This. My FI is intact and there's nothing gross about his 'manhood' that isn't gross about a cut guys. 

jmgcoggins

wheelsonthebus:

cmb820:

Circumcision has been a strong tool in HIV/AIDS prevention, according to research in the past few years.

Also, I once dated a guy who wasn't and well, eww. haha!

You know, condoms also prevent AIDS.

And let's try to keep this conversation civil. Your comments about intact men being gross are ignorant and offensive. You should be ashamed of yourself.

It was just her thought about them. I'm a nurse and I too think they are disgusting. Of course, I've also seen them when they've been infected, have a foul odor, and the foreskin literally started growing to the head of the penis because they didn't feel the need to clean properly. I've seen this on children as well as adults. While condoms do prevent HIV/AIDS, most guys tend to say "but it feels so much better without them".... and that's what scares the bejesus out of me. 

I circ'd my son, but I also will never push my views on someone else (not saying you or PP did) just wanted that out there. It's a hot topic and no one will ever agree

charmschool

cmb820:

Circumcision has been a strong tool in HIV/AIDS prevention, according to research in the past few years.

Also, I once dated a guy who wasn't and well, eww. haha!

What exactly is "ew" about uncircumcised men? I'm really actually curious. 

My husband is not circumcised and neither were about half of the guys I dated before I got married. The difference is really not a big deal at all. One group was not more hygienic than the other, so I don't buy that cleanliness nonsense.  

ClaireOtoms

wheelsonthebus:

And let's try to keep this conversation civil. Your comments about intact men being gross are ignorant and offensive. You should be ashamed of yourself.

Absolutely.   

wheelsonthebus

jmgcoggins:

wheelsonthebus:

cmb820:

Circumcision has been a strong tool in HIV/AIDS prevention, according to research in the past few years.

Also, I once dated a guy who wasn't and well, eww. haha!

You know, condoms also prevent AIDS.

And let's try to keep this conversation civil. Your comments about intact men being gross are ignorant and offensive. You should be ashamed of yourself.

It was just her thought about them. I'm a nurse and I too think they are disgusting. Of course, I've also seen them when they've been infected, have a foul odor, and the foreskin literally started growing to the head of the penis because they didn't feel the need to clean properly. I've seen this on children as well as adults. While condoms do prevent HIV/AIDS, most guys tend to say "but it feels so much better without them".... and that's what scares the bejesus out of me. 

I circ'd my son, but I also will never push my views on someone else (not saying you or PP did) just wanted that out there. It's a hot topic and no one will ever agree

Poor hygiene is poor hygiene. Teach your child to take a shower and clean themselves and there are no issues.

ECUGirl2004

All of the research about HIV/AIDS prevention has been done in Africa, on adult men of consenting age. I work at one of the institutes where this research is being done, and it has not changed my opinion. I do not live in Africa, nor do I intend to (though it is a possibility, I suppose). In the US, we are highly educated on HIV/AIDS and on using condoms. It is not a stigma here, like it is in African countries.

rikkilynnette

I am kind of interested in seeing what the results are. I have two boys from a previous marriage and I had them both circumcised because their dad was and I didn't want them to think that they were different. The procedure for my youngest was heart wrenching and horrible. Not that they didn't do a good job, but the hospital that I delivered at didn't perform the procedure so my baby was three weeks old and had to go 8 hours without eating and then as if that wasn't bad enough I could him him crying during the procedure itself. And the healing time was a lot longer than it was for my first. My husband now is uncircumcised and doesn't think that we should circumcise our baby if we do have a boy. I'm torn because I have two that are, but a husband who is not. I guess that I really start to think about it more after we find out what we are having....Come on Christmas day so that I can know =0)

ClaireOtoms

jmgcoggins:

It was just her thought about them. I'm a nurse and I too think they are disgusting. Of course, I've also seen them when they've been infected, have a foul odor, and the foreskin literally started growing to the head of the penis because they didn't feel the need to clean properly. I've seen this on children as well as adults. While condoms do prevent HIV/AIDS, most guys tend to say "but it feels so much better without them".... and that's what scares the bejesus out of me. 

I circ'd my son, but I also will never push my views on someone else (not saying you or PP did) just wanted that out there. It's a hot topic and no one will ever agree

Saying "eeew" isn't really sharing a mature, well-verbalized opinion; it's reverting to childish behavior to condescend about a different choice. 

I'm with wheels on your argument - learn to shower.  And choosing not to wear condoms is a much more irresponsible choice than any choice about circumcision.   

 

charmschool

I don't understand the HIV/AIDS argument. Getting circumcised does not make a person immune to AIDS. It may (MAY) make it less likely to be transmitted. But I don't get women saying that they are circumcising their sons because it will make them less likely to contract HIV/AIDS. How many HIV positive men in the United States do you think are circumcised? I would say a lot of them, if not most of them. Contracting the disease has nothing to do with foreskin. It is contracted through risky sexual behavior. I will be teaching my son not to engage in risky sexual behavior and not relying on a procedure done as an infant to protect him from HIV/AIDS or any other sexually transmitted diseases.

redheadinlove

My biggest thing is uncut guys are NATURAL. They are exactly the way God made them, exactly as they're MEANT to be. No man should be made to feel ashamed of the way they are naturally. We ask not to be judged for having small or big boobs, flat or or a big butt, curly hair or straight hair, or the color of our skin. So why do uncut guys get judged for having what they're born with?

That's just backwards and hypocritical.

Also, bad hygeine causes infections in the penis. Not an uncut penis. Actually, an properly cared for uncut penis will be less prone to infections because foreskin keeps the penis a self cleaning organ. Just like a vagina.

I don't care if others circumcise their boys or not, but don't slander uncut men.   

ErinR2012

redheadinlove:

My biggest thing is uncut guys are NATURAL. They are exactly the way God made them, exactly as they're MEANT to be. No man should be made to feel ashamed of the way they are naturally. We ask not to be judged for having small or big boobs, flat or or a big butt, curly hair or straight hair, or the color of our skin. So why do uncut guys get judged for having what they're born with?

I don't care if others circumcise their boys or not, but don't slander uncut men.   

This exactly! 

cmb820

Wow, one really can't have a dissenting opinion around here without getting the crap flamed out of them, huh?

I only saw that one uncircumcised one and well, it wasn't for me. I've obviously never seen your husband's or whomever else's so no need to take my opinion personally. I was trying to be lighthearted about the matter but apparently, that means I should be ashamed of myself (which I am not). 

I only brought up the HIV/AIDS thing as a point towards a medical benefit. Obviously we're not in Africa where such a thing would be more relevant, but in my opinion, disease prevention, especially one as serious as HIV/AIDS is never irrelevant, you know? 

I mean, I thought the purpose of the poll and this board in general is to share opinions? I guess I was wrong.

cmb820

Also, I never "slandered" uncut men. I have an opinion about the ONE that I've encountered in my life. Everyone else's penises is of no consequence to me.

And FWIW, if you want to throw around a legal term like "slander", at least use it properly, please. 

Middlesnpoddles

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Middlesnpoddles

I am indifferent on the issue, so I left the decision up to DH.  He says we will DEFINITELY  circ.

the struggle and hustle

When I had my son 12 years ago, I did not get him circumcised for a variety of reasons.  Now that he is 12, involved in sports, gym class etc., he has felt like the odd man out.  He notices that he is different and has asked why, etc.  He has heard remarks in the locker room.  He wanted to see about getting it done now and so we have an appointment with a urologist in January to find out all aspects of the procedure at this stage in his life.

This has made me really think about this baby and what our final decision will be.  Most likely, we will have him done, rather than go through it later in life.

I see both sides of the argument but I think those that make childish comments about the look of it are ridiculous.  Fine you don't like it, saying "ew gross" is a little childish.  Saying that is not your preference is just as easy.  It is comments like this that have contributed to my 12 year old son being self-conscious about his body. 

cwie828

I am absolutely shocked at the number of yes votes considering how many people were up in arms about it yesterday in the conversation. I wonder how much of it is the anonymity of the vote. Interesting!

As for me, I do believe that AIDS/HIV/HPV prevention is an important reason. Obviously these things can all be spread with circumsized males too. And, call me immature if you want...but I do find it more aesthetically pleasing.

farelenore

cmb820:

Wow, one really can't have a dissenting opinion around here without getting the crap flamed out of them, huh?

I only saw that one uncircumcised one and well, it wasn't for me. I've obviously never seen your husband's or whomever else's so no need to take my opinion personally. I was trying to be lighthearted about the matter but apparently, that means I should be ashamed of myself (which I am not). 

 

Hehe, I basically said the exact same thing yesterday and got reamed a new one and called "immature" and lectured that I needed to grow up if I was going to be a mother because I made a comment that someone didn't agree with!  

I can't imagine why someone cares if I or anyone else doesn't like the appearance of an uncut penis.  You'd think I personally insulted everyone's DH, father, brother, etc.  Give me a break, please.

charmschool

the struggle and hustle:

When I had my son 12 years ago, I did not get him circumcised for a variety of reasons.  Now that he is 12, involved in sports, gym class etc., he has felt like the odd man out.  He notices that he is different and has asked why, etc.  He has heard remarks in the locker room.  He wanted to see about getting it done now and so we have an appointment with a urologist in January to find out all aspects of the procedure at this stage in his life.

This has made me really think about this baby and what our final decision will be.  Most likely, we will have him done, rather than go through it later in life.

I see both sides of the argument but I think those that make childish comments about the look of it are ridiculous.  Fine you don't like it, saying "ew gross" is a little childish.  Saying that is not your preference is just as easy.  It is comments like this that have contributed to my 12 year old son being self-conscious about his body. 

Thank you! THIS is the reason it bothers me when people say an uncircumcised penis is "gross" or things to that effect. It's not because I feel like they are saying that my own husband's body is gross, or anything like that. They don't know them so how could they know? It's just that I think that attitude is causing a lot of problems. Whether you want to circumcise or not (I have my opinions but I honestly don't care what other people do) we should be trying to promote the idea that both circumcised and uncircumcised penises are normal and okay. 

Under.the.Rose

I've always been of the opinion that the stats have been kind of thrown off when circumcision became non-publicly funded in Canada (and I assume other countries with public health care, especially in Europe) and had to be done privately. I don't think they're able to track the number of circ's performed as accurately as in the past.

aggiemomma

cwie828:

I am absolutely shocked at the number of yes votes considering how many people were up in arms about it yesterday in the conversation. I wonder how much of it is the anonymity of the vote. Interesting!

I think it's interesting too.  

Maybe those that plan to aren't as vocal about the issue because they don't feel the need to defend their choice as much? In the social/community circle I run in, those that don't  circumsize their sons are in the minority and tend to be very vocal and defensive about their choice. I have felt somewhat the same way about the response to using a Midwife, when our community thinks its weird and unnecessary, and that I'm being irresponsible to not plan a birth in a hospital. 

If it turns out that this peanut is a boy, we will circumsize him for family & religious reasons, which I'm sometimes slightly grateful for so we won't be in a position to have to battle against popular opinion in that issue too.  

hollyish

I will not, and did not with our 2 year old but it was something we really struggled with.  Our pediatrician's practice does not even offer as an option it at birth and neither did the hospital I delivered at. If we wanted to do it would have had to wait until 3 months and meet with a urologist. 

KDR1979

I think this is a really personal topic-with no wrong or right answer. DH wants to do it b/c he is. I guess it is easier if father and son are the "same."

wheelsonthebus

aggiemomma:

cwie828:

I am absolutely shocked at the number of yes votes considering how many people were up in arms about it yesterday in the conversation. I wonder how much of it is the anonymity of the vote. Interesting!

I think it's interesting too.  

Maybe those that plan to aren't as vocal about the issue because they don't feel the need to defend their choice as much? In the social/community circle I run in, those that don't  circumsize their sons are in the minority and tend to be very vocal and defensive about their choice. I have felt somewhat the same way about the response to using a Midwife, when our community thinks its weird and unnecessary, and that I'm being irresponsible to not plan a birth in a hospital. 

If it turns out that this peanut is a boy, we will circumsize him for family & religious reasons, which I'm sometimes slightly grateful for so we won't be in a position to have to battle against popular opinion in that issue too.  

I find the threads on circ to always be on the side of pro-circ. I've actually never seen one that was more anti-circ until last night's thread. I think people just don't feel as comfortable voicing an opinion if the posts are in the other opinion. I know I don't.

omgstfu

wheelsonthebus:

cmb820:

Circumcision has been a strong tool in HIV/AIDS prevention, according to research in the past few years.

Also, I once dated a guy who wasn't and well, eww. haha!

You know, condoms also prevent AIDS.

And let's try to keep this conversation civil. Your comments about intact men being gross are ignorant and offensive. You should be ashamed of yourself.

Wow.  If anyone is not keeping this conversation civil, it is you. So she doesn't find them attractive and finds them gross. How is that offensive?  And it is not ignorant.  She has obviously seen one and it is not her cup of tea.   

I also don't find them attractive, but that's not why we're going to do it if need be. I asked DH, and he immediately said that we would be getting a son circumcised.     

hopefulmom81

farelenore:

cmb820:

Wow, one really can't have a dissenting opinion around here without getting the crap flamed out of them, huh?

I only saw that one uncircumcised one and well, it wasn't for me. I've obviously never seen your husband's or whomever else's so no need to take my opinion personally. I was trying to be lighthearted about the matter but apparently, that means I should be ashamed of myself (which I am not). 

 

Hehe, I basically said the exact same thing yesterday and got reamed a new one and called "immature" and lectured that I needed to grow up if I was going to be a mother because I made a comment that someone didn't agree with!  

I can't imagine why someone cares if I or anyone else doesn't like the appearance of an uncut penis.  You'd think I personally insulted everyone's DH, father, brother, etc.  Give me a break, please.

So, I guess I am confused.  If you are seeing a man's penis and have a feeling about it, I am assuming it is in a sexual way, and don't all penises look the same hard?  I don't stare at my DH's flaccid circumcised penis and feel like "wow, that is the best looking thing I have ever seen".  They are penises.  Who cares that much what they look like flaccid?

PunkRockPrincess1313

hopefulmom81:

 They are penises.  Who cares that much what they look like flaccid?

That.....made me laugh! It is so true. I am so just like..wow..its a penis. haha