There is such win and such fail in this thread. It's like a roller coaster! But what really makes the thread is CG's gif. No thread is complete without a CG gif.
Well, I can tell you I'm a 2nd time mom, and I still feel sad when a baby is left to CIO. Your argument about "just you wait 6 months" was kind of silly, since many don't believe in CIO for a 6 month old, but think it's more appropriate for 1 year old when the child has had an opportunity to develop object permanence.
I feel sad when I know a baby is CIO. Does that mean I think all the moms who do it are heartless? No. I think it has a place, and for some babies it is necessary/appropriate and for others it is not. I don't make sweeping generalizations about CIO and take it at a case by case basis. I've flamed some people for CIO, but have supported others.
There's a difference between someone feeling sad at the thought of a baby crying all alone and thinking someone is a terrible, heartless mother.
I agree that six months old is a tad young for CIO ... so I will give you that. And I don't care that many 'don't believe' in CIO at any age, I think that's silly. That's like saying I don't 'believe' in breast feeding since I don't do it myself.
Nobody said YOU made sweeping generalizations ... I'm just saying that several in this post did.
I know you were not talking about me directly. I just disagree with the need to defend CIO because someone said it made them sad. You felt that it was a good reason to, I disagree. I also find those "just you wait" comments silly.
I also don't get how you don't realize that some people "dont believe" in CIO because they think it's harmful. The BF comparison was silly in this situation. Some believe that CIO causes long term harm and is not healthy for children. Regardless of my personal feelings on it, I get why some don't believe in using it for their child and think that others who do are doing something harmful. Doesn't mean that's right or true, but I get why some "don't believe" in it.
I know you were not talking about me directly. I just disagree with the need to defend CIO because someone said it made them sad. You felt that it was a good reason to, I disagree. I also find those "just you wait" comments silly.
I also don't get how you don't realize that some people "dont believe" in CIO because they think it's harmful. The BF comparison was silly in this situation. Some believe that CIO causes long term harm and is not healthy for children. Regardless of my personal feelings on it, I get why some don't believe in using it for their child and think that others who do are doing something harmful. Doesn't mean that's right or true, but I get why some "don't believe" in it.
First off, I can defend whom or whatever I want to. It's a discussion board, therefore, I (and others) are discussing our choices. And I say, 'Just you wait' because I can't even tell you how many things I said personally, that I would NEVER do as a mother, and then ended up doing them myself when my kid turned out to not fit into a nice little box of convenience that I thought he would.
And no, BFing WAS harmful for my sanity level, and my newborns ... so your argument there is moot. Think that sounds dumb? I think your argument that CIO (when done PROPERLY) will cause long term damage. DUMB.
And I do GET that some people don't 'believe' in CIO, I just think they're ridiculous. (And when I say, 'believe' I mean as in, they don't think anyone should do it in any circumstance. I get there are people out there who CHOOSE not to use it as a sleep training technique, and that's cool, but that's not what was being said here).
I know you were not talking about me directly. I just disagree with the need to defend CIO because someone said it made them sad. You felt that it was a good reason to, I disagree. I also find those "just you wait" comments silly.
I also don't get how you don't realize that some people "dont believe" in CIO because they think it's harmful. The BF comparison was silly in this situation. Some believe that CIO causes long term harm and is not healthy for children. Regardless of my personal feelings on it, I get why some don't believe in using it for their child and think that others who do are doing something harmful. Doesn't mean that's right or true, but I get why some "don't believe" in it.
First off, I can defend whom or whatever I want to. It's a discussion board, therefore, I (and others) are discussing our choices. And I say, 'Just you wait' because I can't even tell you how many things I said personally, that I would NEVER do as a mother, and then ended up doing them myself when my kid turned out to not fit into a nice little box of convenience that I thought he would.
And no, BFing WAS harmful for my sanity level, and my newborns ... so your argument there is moot. Think that sounds dumb? I think your argument that CIO (when done PROPERLY) will cause long term damage. DUMB.
And I do GET that some people don't 'believe' in CIO, I just think they're ridiculous. (And when I say, 'believe' I mean as in, they don't think anyone should do it in any circumstance. I get there are people out there who CHOOSE not to use it as a sleep training technique, and that's cool, but that's not what was being said here).
I never said what you could/couldn't defend. I can think it's silly that you jump in on a thread where someone said CIO makes them sad with your finger wagging "just you wait!" and saying that it's normal to want to defend yourself because someone feels sad over your decision. I'm just disagreeing with you.
The argument that CIO causes long term damage is not *my* argument. I'm saying it is a valid argument and many have that belief. I can understand someone's beliefs without agreeing with them. BF was bad for me personally as well (and my kids would have starved to death from EBF, so that would have sucked). I just think you're comparing apples and oranges to try to link the 2.
I know you were not talking about me directly. I just disagree with the need to defend CIO because someone said it made them sad. You felt that it was a good reason to, I disagree. I also find those "just you wait" comments silly.
I also don't get how you don't realize that some people "dont believe" in CIO because they think it's harmful. The BF comparison was silly in this situation. Some believe that CIO causes long term harm and is not healthy for children. Regardless of my personal feelings on it, I get why some don't believe in using it for their child and think that others who do are doing something harmful. Doesn't mean that's right or true, but I get why some "don't believe" in it.
First off, I can defend whom or whatever I want to. It's a discussion board, therefore, I (and others) are discussing our choices. And I say, 'Just you wait' because I can't even tell you how many things I said personally, that I would NEVER do as a mother, and then ended up doing them myself when my kid turned out to not fit into a nice little box of convenience that I thought he would.
And no, BFing WAS harmful for my sanity level, and my newborns ... so your argument there is moot. Think that sounds dumb? I think your argument that CIO (when done PROPERLY) will cause long term damage. DUMB.
And I do GET that some people don't 'believe' in CIO, I just think they're ridiculous. (And when I say, 'believe' I mean as in, they don't think anyone should do it in any circumstance. I get there are people out there who CHOOSE not to use it as a sleep training technique, and that's cool, but that's not what was being said here).
I never said what you could/couldn't defend. I can think it's silly that you jump in on a thread where someone said CIO makes them sad with your finger wagging "just you wait!" and saying that it's normal to want to defend yourself because someone feels sad over your decision. I'm just disagreeing with you.
The argument that CIO causes long term damage is not *my* argument. I'm saying it is a valid argument and many have that belief. I can understand someone's beliefs without agreeing with them. BF was bad for me personally as well (and my kids would have starved to death from EBF, so that would have sucked). I just think you're comparing apples and oranges to try to link the 2.
I never said what you could/couldn't defend. I can think it's silly that you jump in on a thread where someone said CIO makes them sad with your finger wagging "just you wait!" and saying that it's normal to want to defend yourself because someone feels sad over your decision. I'm just disagreeing with you.
The argument that CIO causes long term damage is not *my* argument. I'm saying it is a valid argument and many have that belief. I can understand someone's beliefs without agreeing with them. BF was bad for me personally as well (and my kids would have starved to death from EBF, so that would have sucked). I just think you're comparing apples and oranges to try to link the 2.
It was more like I was giggling at them, not wagging my finger. But potaytoes, potahtoes.
And we'll have to agree to disagree on comparing mental stress from CIO not being the same as mental stress from BFing. I don't see how that's different at all.
My LO has been CIO since I started reading this thread...but it's too much fun to watch this rather than tend to my child. So...Tatum, you will have to CIO a bit longer until I'm finished reading this train wreck!
I know you were not talking about me directly. I just disagree with the need to defend CIO because someone said it made them sad. You felt that it was a good reason to, I disagree. I also find those "just you wait" comments silly.
I also don't get how you don't realize that some people "dont believe" in CIO because they think it's harmful. The BF comparison was silly in this situation. Some believe that CIO causes long term harm and is not healthy for children. Regardless of my personal feelings on it, I get why some don't believe in using it for their child and think that others who do are doing something harmful. Doesn't mean that's right or true, but I get why some "don't believe" in it.
First off, I can defend whom or whatever I want to. It's a discussion board, therefore, I (and others) are discussing our choices. And I say, 'Just you wait' because I can't even tell you how many things I said personally, that I would NEVER do as a mother, and then ended up doing them myself when my kid turned out to not fit into a nice little box of convenience that I thought he would.
And no, BFing WAS harmful for my sanity level, and my newborns ... so your argument there is moot. Think that sounds dumb? I think your argument that CIO (when done PROPERLY) will cause long term damage. DUMB.
And I do GET that some people don't 'believe' in CIO, I just think they're ridiculous. (And when I say, 'believe' I mean as in, they don't think anyone should do it in any circumstance. I get there are people out there who CHOOSE not to use it as a sleep training technique, and that's cool, but that's not what was being said here).
I never said what you could/couldn't defend. I can think it's silly that you jump in on a thread where someone said CIO makes them sad with your finger wagging "just you wait!" and saying that it's normal to want to defend yourself because someone feels sad over your decision. I'm just disagreeing with you.
The argument that CIO causes long term damage is not *my* argument. I'm saying it is a valid argument and many have that belief. I can understand someone's beliefs without agreeing with them. BF was bad for me personally as well (and my kids would have starved to death from EBF, so that would have sucked). I just think you're comparing apples and oranges to try to link the 2.
Re: I'm a judgey beyotchhoney740:aktemple:I was really starting to wonder who some of these people were. I know this is a public forum and anyone can post and all that jazz, but it seemed like new people were coming out of the wood work to "support" her. Interesting. I had no idea she had a posse. I must work on my lurking skills. I have way more posts than you so I don't know how that makes me "new" just because I don't post normally on this board, doesn't mean I don't read. Anyway, the OP was bringing up a controversial topic and to expect not to get people who disagree (and whine when you can't take it) is poor form for the bump. But that's one of the reasons I am not a frequent poster on the "bigger" boards, the same bullies who were here when we were all pregnant on the tri boards all seem alive and well. I am glad you have the internet to hide behind. Oh yeah, well I have more posts than you, so na na na boo boo. Now go back to your little FB group and talk about what big sluts and hors we all are. I think you're the biggest "hor" of all.
See what I mean KC_13, you'll never be right, and she always will.
Oh, and
LOL - I love that episode. 'Spud-nik'
And again, I never claimed that I'm always right (or that anyone has to think I am), I'm only claiming that I'm allowed to have an opinion and voice it.
I never said what you could/couldn't defend. I can think it's silly that you jump in on a thread where someone said CIO makes them sad with your finger wagging "just you wait!" and saying that it's normal to want to defend yourself because someone feels sad over your decision. I'm just disagreeing with you.
The argument that CIO causes long term damage is not *my* argument. I'm saying it is a valid argument and many have that belief. I can understand someone's beliefs without agreeing with them. BF was bad for me personally as well (and my kids would have starved to death from EBF, so that would have sucked). I just think you're comparing apples and oranges to try to link the 2.
It was more like I was giggling at them, not wagging my finger. But potaytoes, potahtoes.
And we'll have to agree to disagree on comparing mental stress from CIO not being the same as mental stress from BFing. I don't see how that's different at all.
How does BF cause mental stress to an infant?
CIO=mental stress to an infant.
BF=mental stress to mom.
I also have no hostility towards you if you were referring to me in your previous post. Just disagreeing with what you posted in this thread.
My 6 month old went to bed last night at 9 and woke up at 6 this morning when my alarm went off (yes she still sleeps in my room)
I don't even know what ferber is.
Well, pin a rose on your nose. Last night my LO slept from 11-5:15 and I tore my clothes off, ran outside, and praised the sleep gods that he slept such a long stretch. Two nights prior he woke at 8:30, 9:30, 11, 1:30, 2:45, 4:20, 6:00, and bless his heart went back to sleep until 8. My nipples hurt.
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Re: I'm a judgey beyotch
Somehow I don't think that would go over well with the co. I work for ... lol.
The Mouse ~ 06.12.08 | The Froggy ~ 02.23.11
I know you were not talking about me directly. I just disagree with the need to defend CIO because someone said it made them sad. You felt that it was a good reason to, I disagree. I also find those "just you wait" comments silly.
I also don't get how you don't realize that some people "dont believe" in CIO because they think it's harmful. The BF comparison was silly in this situation. Some believe that CIO causes long term harm and is not healthy for children. Regardless of my personal feelings on it, I get why some don't believe in using it for their child and think that others who do are doing something harmful. Doesn't mean that's right or true, but I get why some "don't believe" in it.
I like The Wizard of Oz.... in my butt!! Bahahahahaha!
First off, I can defend whom or whatever I want to. It's a discussion board, therefore, I (and others) are discussing our choices. And I say, 'Just you wait' because I can't even tell you how many things I said personally, that I would NEVER do as a mother, and then ended up doing them myself when my kid turned out to not fit into a nice little box of convenience that I thought he would.
And no, BFing WAS harmful for my sanity level, and my newborns ... so your argument there is moot. Think that sounds dumb? I think your argument that CIO (when done PROPERLY) will cause long term damage. DUMB.
And I do GET that some people don't 'believe' in CIO, I just think they're ridiculous. (And when I say, 'believe' I mean as in, they don't think anyone should do it in any circumstance. I get there are people out there who CHOOSE not to use it as a sleep training technique, and that's cool, but that's not what was being said here).
The Mouse ~ 06.12.08 | The Froggy ~ 02.23.11
I never said what you could/couldn't defend. I can think it's silly that you jump in on a thread where someone said CIO makes them sad with your finger wagging "just you wait!" and saying that it's normal to want to defend yourself because someone feels sad over your decision. I'm just disagreeing with you.
The argument that CIO causes long term damage is not *my* argument. I'm saying it is a valid argument and many have that belief. I can understand someone's beliefs without agreeing with them. BF was bad for me personally as well (and my kids would have starved to death from EBF, so that would have sucked). I just think you're comparing apples and oranges to try to link the 2.
Give it up, Totty knows EVERYTHING.
It was more like I was giggling at them, not wagging my finger. But potaytoes, potahtoes.
And we'll have to agree to disagree on comparing mental stress from CIO not being the same as mental stress from BFing. I don't see how that's different at all.
The Mouse ~ 06.12.08 | The Froggy ~ 02.23.11
No, I really don't. But the hostility is fun, given that this has been a very civil conversation. Fun times
The Mouse ~ 06.12.08 | The Froggy ~ 02.23.11
Hostility? LOL.
See what I mean KC_13, you'll never be right, and she always will.
Oh, and
This thread is proof that it's impossible to have a discussion/ debate on here without getting into name-calling.
Maybe my initial response to this was overly passionate, but it didn't really warrant what came of it.
And thank you, Totty, for saying things much better than I did.
LOL - I love that episode. 'Spud-nik'
And again, I never claimed that I'm always right (or that anyone has to think I am), I'm only claiming that I'm allowed to have an opinion and voice it.
The Mouse ~ 06.12.08 | The Froggy ~ 02.23.11
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How does BF cause mental stress to an infant?
CIO=mental stress to an infant.
BF=mental stress to mom.
I also have no hostility towards you if you were referring to me in your previous post. Just disagreeing with what you posted in this thread.
Do I win a prize for getting the last word in?
Nope. LOL
The Mouse ~ 06.12.08 | The Froggy ~ 02.23.11
Damn you!
*shakes fist*
The Mouse ~ 06.12.08 | The Froggy ~ 02.23.11
Well, pin a rose on your nose. Last night my LO slept from 11-5:15 and I tore my clothes off, ran outside, and praised the sleep gods that he slept such a long stretch. Two nights prior he woke at 8:30, 9:30, 11, 1:30, 2:45, 4:20, 6:00, and bless his heart went back to sleep until 8. My nipples hurt.