Vaccines

SageBeginnings

outnumbered:

SageBeginnings:

erinwhitney1979:

 

Our son (last born) had a bad reaction to his MMR and had a minor stroke. His eye is now wonky from it and will probably have surgery to repair it.. which carries its own risks... he might never have gotten measles, mumps, or rubella.. but he DOES have astigmatism, and he WILL PROBABLY now need to go under the knife. That sealed the deal for us and we will never vaccinate again.

 

This is exactly why people should vaccinate.  You cannot vaccinate so you are counting on herd immunity to protect your son.  If increasing numbers of children are not vaccinated your son is at risk of debilitating diseases.   

Wow. Really? I wouldn't want anyone to risk stroke for MY child. Just as I wouldn't want my child to risk stroke for THEIR child. At the end of the day, you must weigh the benefits and risks for your OWN FAMILY and choose what is best for you. Not for the family next door, not for the kid across the street... For YOUR child. If I could do it all again, we wouldn't vaccinate period. I always thought 'not my kid, not those risks', but guess what? Life is RISKY. So, choose those that you think are more risky, more permanently altering, and more possible to happen... then make your choice.

wifeofadam

kesrya:

Sharon21:

You have got to be kidding with this ridiculous reasoning. The reason that there is an outbreak of pertussis is due to people who choose not to vaccinate and those children passing the disease around which allowed it to mutate so now no one is protected. You said "I couldn't live with myself if I felt I contributed to the mutation of a serious but treatable illness into something that becomes untreatable and highly fatal." But that is EXACTLY what you did by choosing not to vaccinate your child. Oh and I am sure parents who have lost their child to pertussis would be glad to know that all they needed to do to protect their child was to keep a cleaner house. This has got to be the most moronic sh!t I have ever read on here.

Hmmm, looks like you didn't do your research on the mutation of pertussis - since it mutated in the 1990s during rates of vaccination coverage of DPT that met the current theorized herd immunity threshold.  It was about the same that the accellular vaccine was introduced due to the serious and significant issues with the whole cell vaccine, but the pharmaceutical industry has ignored these findings because it would mean that they would have to (pay for) and research a vaccine that would successfully address the new strand.  Good thing the CDC did its research, though, and held a conference in October of last year to declare that an investigation into the mutation was to take place, given the rising incidents in areas around the world with high vaccine coverage.  Interestingly, the county health departments that reported confirmed cases in California are showing that over half of those who have pertussis were fully immunized.  I find it hard to comprehend how, when the majority of people affected by the outbreak have been fully immunized, you can then blame its mutation on the minority.

What is more likely occurring, and you can do a search on PubMed for peer-reviewed studies that are looking at this possibility, is that the pertussis vaccination is known to have the lowest efficacy of all the vaccinations available.  People vaccinated against it are more likely to have an undiagnosed, sub-clinical presentation of the disease that goes untreated because their serum antibody levels are too low to successfully prevent infection but high enough to prevent symptoms that are severe enough for the individual to seek medical treatment (as would be the case in a fully non-immune patient).  So these people experiencing subclinical levels of the disease are not being properly quarantined and interacting with the public, spreading the disease -- the mutated disease since the original virus is being unsuccessfully attacked by weakened antibodies and therefore has the chance to mutate to more successfully triumph over the antibodies. 

The same thing happens when you take a weak course of antibiotics -- it weakens the bacteria but doesn't kill it.  Symptoms go away, but the bacteria remains in the body in a latent state, learning how to create a biofilm that protects it from future antibiotic attacks.  This is why disease like Lyme's are so hard to successfully kill.  Viruses and bacteria have the ability to adapt, and they adapt to specific stressors - like an ineffective vaccine.  Pertussis was discovered in the early 1900s, yet did not mutate until the late 1980s in the presence of a vaccination.  If unvaccinated persons were the cause of the mutation, why did it not mutate prior to the widespread availability of vaccines?

But you're probably not interested in pondering these questions, because I'm too much of a moron for studying the history of the disease and its epidemiology for you to give any mind to.

This is very interesting info.  Thanks for sharing.

CaliSailor

I recommend looking at the Q&A Modified Vaccination Schedule on this website for more information. Also I personally like the Vaccination Safety Manual by Neil Z. Miller.