Make an Informed Vaccine Decision

staceyfriz

I want to share the title of a book a friend of mine passed on to me that changed my whole thinking on vaccines. After reading this an researching further into the vaccine issue in peer-reviewed journal articles, I've decided that the risks of vaccines outweigh the benefits. I highly reccomend everyone read this book: Make An Informed Vaccine Decision - For the Health of Your Child by Mayer Eisenstein, MD, JD, MPH.

madhatter2003

Really. 

Have you seen someone that had Polio? It's not pretty, if they lived through it.  

Pertussis is another one I wouldn't want my infant to catch.

You made the decision about all vaccines, you did more research than all the CDC has done over the years?

 

eminbmore

Hollywood214

Oh boy...Is it to early for popcorn? LOL

BabyMamaErin

uhh.. this won't end well....

amanda1128

My informed decision is that I don't want my child to suffer through something that could otherwise have been prevented.

dmogmo

Oh good lord.  Really? The risks of horrible, preventable diseases are worse then vaccines? Really? You're a moron.

Stephiehun

Then I hope you are going to live in a bubble so you never encounter other people who could be affected by your ignorance and selfishness.

eminbmore

amanda1128:

My informed decision is that I don't want my child to suffer through something that could otherwise have been prevented.

What really annoys me (and believe me, annoy is not a strong enough word here) is that my informed decision is to protect my child - but by idiots like this refusing vaccines, my child is put more at risk... even if s/he is fully vaccinated.  Vaccines work in part through herd immunity, and the more people out there who choose not to vaccinate, the higher the risk my child has of contracting something like Polio, Measles, etc.  Scary

susieandmarty

good luck finding a doctor who wont obligate them or a school that wont require them.  My husband and i plan to be responsible parents, we will be vaccinating our daughter

crystal959

eminbmore:

What really annoys me (and believe me, annoy is not a strong enough word here) is that my informed decision is to protect my child - but by idiots like this refusing vaccines, my child is put more at risk... even if s/he is fully vaccinated.  Vaccines work in part through herd immunity, and the more people out there who choose not to vaccinate, the higher the risk my child has of contracting something like Polio, Measles, etc.  Scary

This is how I feel, too. Well put.

angiek1

Here is my take. I am all about making informed decisions, but an informed decision is one when you've considered arguments from both sides of the fence. While the book may portray arguments that are pro vaccines, the perspective is skued.   You also need to read books that are pro vaccines. You need to hear both arguments from both perspectives, not both arguments from one perspective.  

Yellow_Daisy

I hope you made this "informed" decision based off more than one book of propaganda.  Unfortunately for people like me, with such suppressed immune systems that I can't get some of the vaccines, you are putting my life at risk with your ignorance and selfishness.  So on behalf of all the people who depend on herd immunity thanks a lot.

catherine225

Did anyone see the Law and Order SVU that they just did about the mom who didn't vaccinate her child, and then a baby (too young for vaccinations) caught a disease at the playground and died?

 

It was a really ridiculous episode with an obvious bias, but it still makes you think about what NOT vaccinating will do to our country/world. Also, I wonder what happens when the child goes to school. I'm a teacher and I thought that vaccinations are still required for entry. Am I wrong?

 

 

amanda1128

What really annoys me (and believe me, annoy is not a strong enough word here) is that my informed decision is to protect my child - but by idiots like this refusing vaccines, my child is put more at risk... even if s/he is fully vaccinated.  Vaccines work in part through herd immunity, and the more people out there who choose not to vaccinate, the higher the risk my child has of contracting something like Polio, Measles, etc.  Scary  

 

 

I agree. My kids will be vaccinated, and so will any family members that plan on being a regular part of their life. I don't think it should be an option, especially when it involves other people's health.

crystal959

catherine225:

Did anyone see the Law and Order SVU that they just did about the mom who didn't vaccinate her child, and then a baby (too young for vaccinations) caught a disease at the playground and died?

 

It was a really ridiculous episode with an obvious bias, but it still makes you think about what NOT vaccinating will do to our country/world. Also, I wonder what happens when the child goes to school. I'm a teacher and I thought that vaccinations are still required for entry. Am I wrong?

 

 

I thought of this IMMEDIATELY! I didn't know what show it was exactly so I didn't mention it. 

You can say that you didn't vaccinate for religious reasons, I think that's how most people get around it.

fadushi

cadegani:

eminbmore:

What really annoys me (and believe me, annoy is not a strong enough word here) is that my informed decision is to protect my child - but by idiots like this refusing vaccines, my child is put more at risk... even if s/he is fully vaccinated.  Vaccines work in part through herd immunity, and the more people out there who choose not to vaccinate, the higher the risk my child has of contracting something like Polio, Measles, etc.  Scary

This is how I feel, too. Well put.

Me too!

Yellow_Daisy

catherine225:

 Also, I wonder what happens when the child goes to school. I'm a teacher and I thought that vaccinations are still required for entry. Am I wrong?

 

Technically in many states people can opt out of vaccines for religious and other reasons.  I wasn't able to have all the vaccines that were required because of my health problems (they would have killed me or at the very least I would have ended up hospitalized) so I had medical exemptions. 

Pearly609

I completely understand both sides.  As of now, my SO and I are going to vaccines based on what the pp's have stated, but I did have reservations because of what my sister believes she went through.  Her son was climbing all the growth milestones until he turned a year and had a vaccine.  It was like a light switch went off in his head and everything stopped working, I mean EVERYTHING! He started having seizures, several a day.  He couldn't walk, function, hold a *ing cup that he held the month before.  We went through hell watching this and then two years later, the doctors had to do brain surgery on him to stop the seizures. He was only 3 for god's sake.  He is now 6 and can walk, hasn't had any seizures, still can not speak but we are working with schools, his diet and tons of love and prayer.

I'm torn after seeing what my sister went through.  WE, not the HIGHLY EDUCATED DOCTORS, found out what was going on with him.  And this was all by us searching the internet.  When we did our research and presented it to the doctors, they looked as confused as some of you and said they needed to do more research.  Get the fu*k outta here!  You need to do more what.  My sister has gone through this while going through a divorce.  I'm going to stop now because this is way to personal for me as I love my nephew to death.  But I will continue to research and pray for our children. 

LnR70707

an informed vaccine decision = vaccinating your child. Only the poorly or misinformed choose otherwise.

KelliO924

Oh good lord.  Vaccines eradicate disease...this is a fact.  I'm not even going to waste time by trying to reason with you with facts and logic, b/c it won't work.  The least you can do is not spout this crap to other people...oh wait, maybe you are saving all the children one post at a time.

Phlenin

Hollywood214:

Oh boy...Is it to early for popcorn? LOL

Lol! It's not too early as long as you share! 

andrea_J_02

Hollywood214:

Oh boy...Is it to early for popcorn? LOL

 

hahahaha

kate05

With 5 posts, I hope you are just MUD or a nut.  In case you are not, you read 1 and that is what you are using as justification to not vaccinate your child?  Do you even know who Dr. Eisenstein is?  He has said such "enlightening" things as, ?every doctor now essentially in this country has done something as heinous as the Nazis did, unknowingly? - regarding vaccines and that he had never seen a case of autism in an unvaccinated child in his practice.  You actually buy into this?  Please tell me you did more research than one book.  And by research, I mean reading actual scientific studies and not the musings of various doctors and former Playboy Playmates  I will say a little prayer that your baby does not die of something that could have been prevented.  Please keep your child far away from mine.

iris427

Mayer Eisenstein is a nutcase. 

miller4285

My information tells me that there is a reason that common, devastating illness (some commonplace even just 40 years ago) are almost eradicated because of...wait for it....vaccines. People are now no longer scared of these "old"diseases, and don't want to vaccinate.

That, my friends, is how epidemics make a comeback! if you aren't scared of any of these "old" diseases...talk to grandma (or even dad!) 

 What makes me mad is that, while I am not at risk if an unvaxed child gets one of these "rare' illnesses and comes in contact with me...my unborn child is. 

Epiphany27

eminbmore:

amanda1128:

My informed decision is that I don't want my child to suffer through something that could otherwise have been prevented.

What really annoys me (and believe me, annoy is not a strong enough word here) is that my informed decision is to protect my child - but by idiots like this refusing vaccines, my child is put more at risk... even if s/he is fully vaccinated.? Vaccines work in part through herd immunity, and the more people out there who choose not to vaccinate, the higher the risk my child has of contracting something like Polio, Measles, etc.? Scary

For. Real.

momtoRaegan041008

BabyMamaErin:

uhh.. this won't end well....

I agree

NurseLaLa

eminbmore:

amanda1128:

My informed decision is that I don't want my child to suffer through something that could otherwise have been prevented.

What really annoys me (and believe me, annoy is not a strong enough word here) is that my informed decision is to protect my child - but by idiots like this refusing vaccines, my child is put more at risk... even if s/he is fully vaccinated.  Vaccines work in part through herd immunity, and the more people out there who choose not to vaccinate, the higher the risk my child has of contracting something like Polio, Measles, etc.  Scary

 Ding! 

What annoys me the most is how socially irresponsible it is to NOT vaccinate a healthy individual. It puts high risk individuals at an even higher risk.

The side effects from the diseases (that are still out there, just waiting for some poor unvaccinated sap) are MUCH worse and are much more likely to occur are far worse than the very minuscule  possibility of a reaction to a vaccine. 

Your child has twice as likely a chance to get encephalitis from a preventable disease than they are to get a rare severe reaction to a vaccine.

Everyone I know is vaccinated and not a single person has a tale to tell outside from one person needing Benadryl for a potential allergic reaction.  

amanda1128

NurseMom1:

eminbmore:

amanda1128:

My informed decision is that I don't want my child to suffer through something that could otherwise have been prevented.

What really annoys me (and believe me, annoy is not a strong enough word here) is that my informed decision is to protect my child - but by idiots like this refusing vaccines, my child is put more at risk... even if s/he is fully vaccinated.  Vaccines work in part through herd immunity, and the more people out there who choose not to vaccinate, the higher the risk my child has of contracting something like Polio, Measles, etc.  Scary

 Ding! 

What annoys me the most is how socially irresponsible it is to NOT vaccinate a healthy individual. It puts high risk individuals at an even higher risk.

The side effects from the diseases (that are still out there, just waiting for some poor unvaccinated sap) are MUCH worse and are much more likely to occur are far worse than the very minuscule  possibility of a reaction to a vaccine. 

Your child has twice as likely a chance to get encephalitis from a preventable disease than they are to get a rare severe reaction to a vaccine.

Everyone I know is vaccinated and not a single person has a tale to tell outside from one person needing Benadryl for a potential allergic reaction.  

 

 

I'm confused why I am quoted like I'm an idiot. I am 100% pro vaccine. The point of my post was that I will vaccinate my child rather than risk them getting something that could have been prevented with a vaccine. 

NurseLaLa

amanda1128:

NurseMom1:

eminbmore:

amanda1128:

My informed decision is that I don't want my child to suffer through something that could otherwise have been prevented.

What really annoys me (and believe me, annoy is not a strong enough word here) is that my informed decision is to protect my child - but by idiots like this refusing vaccines, my child is put more at risk... even if s/he is fully vaccinated.  Vaccines work in part through herd immunity, and the more people out there who choose not to vaccinate, the higher the risk my child has of contracting something like Polio, Measles, etc.  Scary

 Ding! 

What annoys me the most is how socially irresponsible it is to NOT vaccinate a healthy individual. It puts high risk individuals at an even higher risk.

The side effects from the diseases (that are still out there, just waiting for some poor unvaccinated sap) are MUCH worse and are much more likely to occur are far worse than the very minuscule  possibility of a reaction to a vaccine. 

Your child has twice as likely a chance to get encephalitis from a preventable disease than they are to get a rare severe reaction to a vaccine.

Everyone I know is vaccinated and not a single person has a tale to tell outside from one person needing Benadryl for a potential allergic reaction.  

 

 

I'm confused why I am quoted like I'm an idiot. I am 100% pro vaccine. The point of my post was that I will vaccinate my child rather than risk them getting something that could have been prevented with a vaccine. 

 

Oooo, sorry. We were agreeing with you and just elaborating ono your opinion there. Darn Internet! Makes it so easy to misinterpret.   

amanda1128

NurseMom1:

amanda1128:

NurseMom1:

eminbmore:

amanda1128:

My informed decision is that I don't want my child to suffer through something that could otherwise have been prevented.

What really annoys me (and believe me, annoy is not a strong enough word here) is that my informed decision is to protect my child - but by idiots like this refusing vaccines, my child is put more at risk... even if s/he is fully vaccinated.  Vaccines work in part through herd immunity, and the more people out there who choose not to vaccinate, the higher the risk my child has of contracting something like Polio, Measles, etc.  Scary

 Ding! 

What annoys me the most is how socially irresponsible it is to NOT vaccinate a healthy individual. It puts high risk individuals at an even higher risk.

The side effects from the diseases (that are still out there, just waiting for some poor unvaccinated sap) are MUCH worse and are much more likely to occur are far worse than the very minuscule  possibility of a reaction to a vaccine. 

Your child has twice as likely a chance to get encephalitis from a preventable disease than they are to get a rare severe reaction to a vaccine.

Everyone I know is vaccinated and not a single person has a tale to tell outside from one person needing Benadryl for a potential allergic reaction.  

 

 

I'm confused why I am quoted like I'm an idiot. I am 100% pro vaccine. The point of my post was that I will vaccinate my child rather than risk them getting something that could have been prevented with a vaccine. 

 

Oooo, sorry. We were agreeing with you and just elaborating ono your opinion there. Darn Internet! Makes it so easy to misinterpret.   

 

Okay, thats good. I just wanted to make sure I didn't say it wrong and look dumb.

Scout05

Explain to me, OP, how reading one book written with an obvious bias = an "informed" decision? Methinks you are confused on the definition of the word "informed."

liv97

We've only done a couple vaccines on our 14mo old daughter.  I agree that most people don't do the research and consider whether the full load of vaccines at the recommended time is a good idea, but this isn't the audience for that.  Most of the mamas here are incredibly mainstream.

miller4285

liv97:

We've only done a couple vaccines on our 14mo old daughter.  I agree that most people don't do the research and consider whether the full load of vaccines at the recommended time is a good idea, but this isn't the audience for that.  Most of the mamas here are incredibly mainstream.

But you vaccinate. I can't arugue for or against full load at recommended times (though my personal research finds nothing wrong with it)...

But not vaxing at all IS more of a risk to the child and the people around that child if they contract something. 

Jordan1234

5 posts?  I call MUD.

staticgirl77

amanda1128:

My informed decision is that I don't want my child to suffer through something that could otherwise have been prevented.

This.

SarahPLiz

mullenem:

liv97:

We've only done a couple vaccines on our 14mo old daughter.  I agree that most people don't do the research and consider whether the full load of vaccines at the recommended time is a good idea, but this isn't the audience for that.  Most of the mamas here are incredibly mainstream.

a delayed vaccination schedule is miles away from not vaccinating at all...

This. I see nothing wrong with a delayed schedule as long as it all gets done. My friends daughter can't be vaccinated yet because they think she is allergic to eggs but is really to young to get a definitive test. She worries every day that she will catch things she hasn't yet been vaccinated for, and once they figure out her allergy, you can bet she'll do what she can to protect her daughter.  

damabo80

That book sounds like a true non biased approach to vaccination (along with the OP of this thread).

Don't drink the Kool-Aid, kids.

iris427

Scout05:

Explain to me, OP, how reading one book written with an obvious bias = an "informed" decision? Methinks you are confused on the definition of the word "informed."

She's using The Bump definition of "informed," which means "anyone who reads the same BS I read and agrees with me."

staceyfriz

Wow, an "idiot" and a "moron" might have a difficult time responding to such defensive and childish replies, but I'll try my best. The book was just a starting off point. From there, I looked into medical journals and the CDC and FDA's Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS). Rather than just accepting the ever-expanding vaccine regime without even questioning 1) the prevalence and danger of the diseases/illnesses/infections the vaccines protect against, 2) what the vaccines contain, 3) how effective the vaccines are, and 4) the possible adverse reactions from vaccines I chose to educate myself. I don't understand how someone can call a book they have never read propaganda. The book is backed up by numerous studies in well-respected medical journals, such as The Lancet, The American Journal of Epidemiology, Neurology, The New England Journal of Medicine, The Journal of the American Medical Association, etc. I do intend to read a "pro-vaccine" book for a balanced look at the issue, but where I stand at the moment I feel pretty certain in my decision.

Here are a small handful of journal articles to look into (you can usually find abstracts or the full article on-line). I'd also encourage you to check out a report by the Committee on Government Reform, US House of Representatives, titled Conflicts of Interest in Vaccine Policy Making at https://www.whale.to/v/staff.html.

Thimerosal in childhood vaccines, neurodevelopment disorders, and heart disease in the United States. - The Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons

Is infant immunization a risk factor for childhood asthma or allergy? - Epidemiology

Neurological complications of Pertussis immunization. - British Medical Journal

Encephalitis after Hepatitis B vaccination. Recurrent disseminated encephalitis or MS? - Neurology

Guillain-Barre syndrome and influenza vaccination in the US Army, 1980-1988. - American Journal of Epidemiology

Neo-natal tetanus despite protective serum antitoxin concentration. - The Journal of the American Medical Association

A controlled trial of a two-component acellular, a five-component acellular, and a whole-cell Pertussis vaccine. - The New England Journal of Medicine

Neurological disorders following live measles-virus vaccination - The Journal of the American Medical Association

Sustained transmission of mumps in a highly vaccinated population: Assessment of primary vaccine failure and waning vaccine-induced immunity. - The Journal of Infectious Diseases