Confused, Someone help me out here...

JlynnNorwood

My question is: Can you name your LO a junior if DH is a third?

( I will do my best ?not to confuse anyone ?=] )

DH is a third by his middle name. He doesn't want LO to be a fourth.

He wants LO to have a different middle name so that he can be a junior.

But I thought in order for LO to be a junior he had to have DH full name.

I've tried google (lol, what else is there??) and I've came up with absolutely nothing. I just want to know the proper way this is done. So If anyone has any insight please let me know.

Thanks So much appreciated!

BetchySprout

Great question. 

My dad was Edward J. N________ Jr.

His dad was Edward J. N_________ Sr.

His grandfather was also Edward J. N__________.

I never understood.  

strangebird

Let me see if I'm following this correctly--your husband shares his middle name with two relatives? Like his grandfather is John William, his father is John William II and your DH is John William III? Or do they only share their middle name?

Regardless, your LO cannot be a "junior" unless he shares his father's name exactly. If your husband is Johnathan William, then your son would have to be Johnathan William, Jr. If you changed the middle name and named him Johnathan Patrick he wouldn't be a junior.

 On a side note, there are a lot of complications that come with being a junior--I strongly recommend you don't do it. It causes a lot of grief later in life, mail getting confused, debts getting confused, official documents being "corrected." It's a mess.

nelb3

I do not know for sure, but My nephew is a 3rd and has a different middle name from his dad and his grandfather- so who knows...

If your DH wants him to have the same first name, you could just use the first name and change the middle, right? does he definitely want to keep the first name?  you could also use his FN as LO's MN...make sense?

LyndseylovesHugh

nelb3:

I do not know for sure, but My nephew is a 3rd and has a different middle name from his dad and his grandfather- so who knows...

If your DH wants him to have the same first name, you could just use the first name and change the middle, right? does he definitely want to keep the first name?  you could also use his FN as LO's MN...make sense?

Then he is not a 3rd.  In order to be a Jr., third, forth, etc you have to have the exact same name (first, middle and last).

To the OP- If your H is a third (meaning he has the same first, middle and last name as his dad and grandpa) then your DS can not technically be a JR.  He will either be a fourth or he will have his own name.

EastCoastBride

Yeah, ditto the others.  Either your son will be a 4th (identical names all the way), or he will have his own name all together.  There really is no room for a "Jr" in this situation.

And I have to "ditto" the concept of Jr's anyhow.  it can create havoc w/ credit, etc, when he gets older.

queenbone

If the MN is different then he woulnd't be a Jr or a IV, but he would be named for his father. 

And are all the generations still alive?  My understanding is that once the senior person dies then all the titles shift up.  So if his grandfather was the I and his father the II and the grandfather dies, then the father becomes the I, your DH the II and your son, if he has the identical name, becomes the III.

Mama_SAS

queenbone:

If the MN is different then he woulnd't be a Jr or a IV, but he would be named for his father. 

And are all the generations still alive?  My understanding is that once the senior person dies then all the titles shift up.  So if his grandfather was the I and his father the II and the grandfather dies, then the father becomes the I, your DH the II and your son, if he has the identical name, becomes the III.

I've never heard of this. My cousin is the VI but my great-grandpa and my great-great-grandpa aren't alive anymore.

What about Henry the VIII or Louis XVI? No one has 15 generations before them still alive. Right? (I'm not a history buff so I'm making assumptions here.)

tct1219

traditionally, you're only a jr. if you have the same full name as your father. if you have the same full name as someone else in your family [uncle, grandfather, etc.] you are a II.

of course, most people don't pay attention to that anymore but that is the way it was done in the past. i don't know if over time it has changed to accommodate different middle names but i personally would not consider someone a jr. or III if the full names were not all the same.

tct1219

queenbone:

If the MN is different then he woulnd't be a Jr or a IV, but he would be named for his father. 

And are all the generations still alive?  My understanding is that once the senior person dies then all the titles shift up.  So if his grandfather was the I and his father the II and the grandfather dies, then the father becomes the I, your DH the II and your son, if he has the identical name, becomes the III.

i've read this before as well. it must have been implemented more recently because as PP pointed out, there were many people in history with names like Henry VIII whose fathers, grandfathers, etc. were clearly not still alive. it may be different, though, with royal ancestry.

backinpgh

I'll add in a word of caution...if you're going to use the same name, make sure he IS a IV, or a Jr., or whatever the case may be. BIL and FIL have the same name, but BIL is NOT a Jr. (and they both still live in the same household) and they have the most horrible time with bills, accounts, records, etc. getting mixed up beyond belief. And since one of the two has really bad financial issues, it's been a nightmare for everyone involved. Of course this problem can still occur even with a Jr., III, IV, etc. but at least there is some differentiation.

finsternis

my husband is a jr, my dad is a jr, and my brother is a 3rd. it`s really not that big a deal later in life to have the same name. to use pp`s example, you could name your ds john patrick if your dh is john william if you want; i wouldn`t put `, jr` on the birth certificate because it`s not the same name, but you could call him j.r. or junior as a nn and it would be fine.

cranberry27

It ALL technically requires that the child have the exact same name as somebody else, whether that's a father, grandfather, or other.  Change one name and it no longer applies.

BUT, you pretty much get to call your kid whatever you want.  My husband is a 2nd (not a Jr) because his mom wanted it that way.  Traditionally being 2nd means you're named for somebody who isn't your dad.  But his mom didn't like Jr., so she put II on his birth certificate.  In the same way, I really don't think your husband is a 3rd, but they went ahead and called him that anyway.

Bottom line - if you DS has DH's first, different middle, he is named for his dad but is not a IV OR a Jr.....but you can call him that if you want.

My husband's family does not find it inconvenient in any way to have two people named the same things....it makes me insane.  When his mom shrieks their name, nobody knows who she wants.  30 years of that boggles my mind.  DH had a very hard time passing the bar because he had a debt on his CC report that was his dad's ($50 at a dr's office 15 years ago).  It was a huge pain to get rid of, and it wasn't even his.  And that is why DS is Charles (Dh's first name) (last name). 

JlynnNorwood

Thank you ladies for all the advice and help...

My DH is a third because he shares his middle name with...

1. His Grandfather's FN.

2. His Uncle's MN.

I know it's weird; and it's confusing the heck out of me! I think they just thought if you share a name with a relative than you can become a II or III. ?I don't think they realized how hectic if my DH had a son! lol

But I gathered a lot of insight and info.