Soy formula for boys....

Mrs.HisOnly

So we started giving DS formula in addition to BM because he was having so many tummy issues and it seemed to have helped. We were giving him the Similac Sensitive and although it helped some he had still be doing REALLY bad at night and sometimes during the day (Crying/screaming/fussing for 4-5 hours straight). On Saturday, I went and bought him the Similac Sensitive Soy (DH has always had issues with milk so I thought maybe J inheirited it) and since then he's shown a big improvement. Now DH is saying that because of some article he read online titled "Soy making boys gay" (due to the estrogen in it) he is having mixed feelings about continuing to give him that formula.

Does anyone have any information on this that maybe they got from their pedi or from personal experience. Everything online gives mixed opinions.

TIA!

GenaAndJosh

Seriously?  Was this article written in a credible science journal?  I can tell you that my husband has been on Soy since birth, and he for sure is not gay.  The only formula that finally worked for Spencer was Soy, Similac Soy to be more exact.  Science has proven that one cannot turn gay, yet it is an aspect that one is born with.  Honestly, I am sure that your priority is to ensure that your baby is as comfortable as possible; if a child does end up being gay, I am willing to put money on the fact that it is not due to the formula he/she was given at birth. 

Be careful what you read on the internet, if you have any questions on anything related to the baby call your pedi?s office; the nurses/doctors are the best resources!

Mrs.HisOnly

I honestly have no idea WTF he read it but he's driving me up the friggin wall. I tried pulling up credible articles for him to read today and most say that there is no study that proves the hormone imbalace to be true. For now he is sticking to his arguement that it has estrogen in it and therefore will turn LO in to girly boy. UGH!

I figured maybe if I could give him some personal stories he's STFU :] cause if it's helping my kid sleep at night and he's not screaming bloody murder (like he's in pain) when he cries I'm giving it to him!

GenaAndJosh

Too funny!  Just give it to him, or tell him to come up with a better solution.  The pedi is going to tell him that if it is helping him, then give it to him.  Spencer is a very rough boy....I assure you he is not a girly boy, even at 21 months!  If the baby is sleeping and happy,why would he even question it?  Men are so silly sometimes!

VandRicky

Wow! I hadn't heard that one yet! I am a worry wart when it comes to my kids but turning gay?.. Ummm not so much! Have u talked to your pedi about him screaming? I think supplementing because you don't have enough milk or because he isn't gaining enough weight is one thing but I wouldn't do it because he is fussy or screaming. If anything giving him both breast and formula might just cause him to be more fussy. Evening fussiness is normal for all babies. When did this start? Around 3 weeks? That is when colic starts, he might just have That. There is no magical solution to colic but maybe you can ask your pediatrician? Have you tried gripe water?

EliStar

Mrs.HisOnly:

I honestly have no idea WTF he read it but he's driving me up the friggin wall. I tried pulling up credible articles for him to read today and most say that there is no study that proves the hormone imbalace to be true. For now he is sticking to his arguement that it has estrogen in it and therefore will turn LO in to girly boy. UGH!

I figured maybe if I could give him some personal stories he's STFU :] cause if it's helping my kid sleep at night and he's not screaming bloody murder (like he's in pain) when he cries I'm giving it to him!

ok... I know it's not supposed to be funny, but I literally LOLed picturing you and Alexis having this conversation because it sounds so ridiculous!! I've never read anything like that either. If Jose is happy with soy milk, you just keep on giving it to him and tell Alexis to put up or shut up! Unless he has a better solution, he needs way more than a shoddy "internet article" as ammunition! Ay Alexis... lol

Mrs.HisOnly

VandRicky:

Wow! I hadn't heard that one yet! I am a worry wart when it comes to my kids but turning gay?.. Ummm not so much! Have u talked to your pedi about him screaming? I think supplementing because you don't have enough milk or because he isn't gaining enough weight is one thing but I wouldn't do it because he is fussy or screaming. If anything giving him both breast and formula might just cause him to be more fussy. Evening fussiness is normal for all babies. When did this start? Around 3 weeks? That is when colic starts, he might just have That. There is no magical solution to colic but maybe you can ask your pediatrician? Have you tried gripe water?

V, I was pumping from the time my milk came in and giving it to him in a bottle. The whole breastfeeding thing for him was not a happy experience for him @ the hospital because I was not producing milk and he was always hungry. But whatever that's a whole other story. Anyway, he was drinking the breast milk from the bottle and before the beginning of week 2 he started the screaming and crying.  It would last from 2-7am, sometimes it would be an all day thing. He would curl his body and let out these huge screams or just stretch his body out like the nurses said he would if he had gas. It's pretty bad sometimes. So Alexis thought it was the breastmilk and wanted to put him on only formula (Similac Sensitive) for a couple for days to see if it was that. We told the pedi we were doing this and he said it was worth a shot. It did get better, he was actually starting to sleep a little better and the screaming fits went down to about 3-4 nights out of the week vs. everynight. since then he's had 2 really bad episodes where NOTHING worked. He would cry so bad he'd stop breathing for a few seconds and then start choking. I'm sure he only ever stopped out of pure exhaustion.

So I went and bought one of those bottles of the ready made and started giving it to him on Saturday and he's been sleeping MUCH better so far and just seems much happier over all. This morning he was up and "playing" for about 2 hours. It was awesome.

Mrs.HisOnly

EliStar:

Mrs.HisOnly:

I honestly have no idea WTF he read it but he's driving me up the friggin wall. I tried pulling up credible articles for him to read today and most say that there is no study that proves the hormone imbalace to be true. For now he is sticking to his arguement that it has estrogen in it and therefore will turn LO in to girly boy. UGH!

I figured maybe if I could give him some personal stories he's STFU :] cause if it's helping my kid sleep at night and he's not screaming bloody murder (like he's in pain) when he cries I'm giving it to him!

Oh honey, there is no arg

ok... I know it's not supposed to be funny, but I literally LOLed picturing you and Alexis having this conversation because it sounds so ridiculous!! I've never read anything like that either. If Jose is happy with soy milk, you just keep on giving it to him and tell Alexis to put up or shut up! Unless he has a better solution, he needs way more than a shoddy "internet article" as ammunition! Ay Alexis... lol

Oh honey, there is no conversation. I just let him go on about how he doesn't want his son to turn in to a girl -smdh

Last night while we were bathing J he started making fun of his little baby boobies. Said they were getting big because of the soy milk. Really, babe? Really?! I know he was joking but still!

I'd never heard about that theory either but if you google it there are TONS of links.

EliStar

Mrs.HisOnly:

EliStar:

Mrs.HisOnly:

I honestly have no idea WTF he read it but he's driving me up the friggin wall. I tried pulling up credible articles for him to read today and most say that there is no study that proves the hormone imbalace to be true. For now he is sticking to his arguement that it has estrogen in it and therefore will turn LO in to girly boy. UGH!

I figured maybe if I could give him some personal stories he's STFU :] cause if it's helping my kid sleep at night and he's not screaming bloody murder (like he's in pain) when he cries I'm giving it to him!

Oh honey, there is no arg

ok... I know it's not supposed to be funny, but I literally LOLed picturing you and Alexis having this conversation because it sounds so ridiculous!! I've never read anything like that either. If Jose is happy with soy milk, you just keep on giving it to him and tell Alexis to put up or shut up! Unless he has a better solution, he needs way more than a shoddy "internet article" as ammunition! Ay Alexis... lol

Oh honey, there is no conversation. I just let him go on about how he doesn't want his son to turn in to a girl -smdh

Last night while we were bathing J he started making fun of his little baby boobies. Said they were getting big because of the soy milk. Really, babe? Really?! I know he was joking but still!

I'd never heard about that theory either but if you google it there are TONS of links.

LMFAO!!!! I think our husbands were separated at birth. Once Anth gets something in his head there is NO changing his mind. Damn stubborn, they are.

I just can't picture my little nephew screaming in pain Poor baby. Thankfully the soy milk is at least helping. I'm definitely going to research this whole "soy milk = girly boy" theory.

Snshine

Two things. If the breastmilk is making him fussy (and it's not colic) then maybe something in your diet is upsetting his stomach.  To find out I would keep a very bland diet to see if anything changes.  Secondly, soy formula turning a child gay has got to be one of the craziest things I've ever heard.  Not to disrespect your DH but REALLY!?!  On a side note, both of my kids were lactose intolerant.  One handled the sensitive, the other needed the soy.  You do what you need to for your child.  If someone told me that by feeding my child the only thing they could digest would make them gay I would feed it to them in a heartbeat.  Whatever gender of person my children choose to love isn't a problem and it most certainly isn't a side effect.  Good luck.

Mrs. Aleman

Just when you think you've heard it all!!

I agree with Dawn- if you want to keep on breastfeeding I would first recollect what you are eating, it can be something too greasy for him to digest or just something you never would think would give him colic. If the soy milk is helping with the tummy and sleeping keep doing it. The last thing you both need is a cranky household.

I will make sure to kick your DH ass when I see him tonight when I pick up Mario! Soy milk making a kid gay- aye dios! How about you have him call the Pedi and see what the pedi says on his fabulous article! BTW- did Alexsis drink soy milk when he was younger or what did his mom feed him since he also had tummy issues?? Did he turn out gay- I think not...

Your doing the right thing Tine hang in there and I hope J is feeling better!!

FutureHernandez

A friend of mine told me that the research she did (there was a Harvard study) was that soy milk can increase estrogen in men; therefore, lowers sperm production and decreasing libido.  If this was the side effects on male adults, who knows what the side effect could be on young boys.  I honestly don't think it will "make them gay" but who knows if it can screw with puberty. 

CesEve99

i have never heard of such a thing. ever.

MrsJOSEnADRI

Like Yvette said, MIL has read the research on soy and it does increase the estrogen.  It won't make him gay, but Alexis probably read about soy products leading to enlarged breasts in men.  However, this depends on the amount of soy product being consumed and, like with everything, the research is mixed b/c there are many positive benefits to consuming soy.  If Jose has a milk protein allergy and does have to drink soy formula/soy milk, talk to your doc about your concerns and Alexis' concerns about soy products.  

  

ANJ410

I remember reading stuff about boys growing up to have boobs because drinking soy as babies caused them to produce too much estrogen or something like that, but not that it caused them to be gay. I don't have enough info on it to quote exactly what I read.  But who knows if that is even true. I would trust a Dr before believing a magazine article.

I'll add in though that if you decide to FF or continue suplementing with formula, I highly recommend Good Start. It is extremely easy to digest.  Adrianna has been on it since birth and she has never once had an episode of unconsolable crying, spitting up or gas.

When Nicky was a baby I started him on Enfamil Lipil and he was sooooo fussy.  I chalked it up as colic and kept feeding it to him and he wound up developing a milk allergy at 8 weeks old and had to go on the super expensive hypoallergenic stuff. When he was diagnosed with the allergy my Dr toldme that 80% of babies that have problems with lactose will also develop problems with soy.

 

MellyMelB

The funny thing is I recently heard that soy products (too much of them) had adverse affects on GIRLS! But from what I read the amount of soy you have to be eating has to be incredibly high. It was in a recent parent's magazine. I will see if I can dig up the article.

Personally, I don't think anything can turn anyone gay! Its either you are born that way or you aren't. But as the dad of a boy I guess I can understand his worry. Its a macho man thing. Men seem to develop the most interesting worries and thought processes when they become parents.

ReiszsPieces

What about switching to rice formula and avoiding the whole ridiculous debate?  I hope you figure something out soon!