Who has the labradoodles iv seen in pics? FK?

danlexi04

I'm looking into a chocolate colored labradoodle and I have no idea where to start. Any info would be great.

Mrs_Liberto

I hope you mean you're looking into one at a rescue or humane society.

GBCK

*raising eyebrow*

Labrador-poodle mixes?

The ONLY appropriate place to get a mixed-breed dog is a shelter/rescue.

Because thereare NO good breeders of mixed-breed dogs--the person 'producing' such dogs is either 1) a BYB or 2) a puppymiller.

Reccomended reading for anyone looking into a 'popular' mix breed:

https://www.canismajor.com/dog/poodogs.html

https://home.comcast.net/~NoPuppyMillsVA/Poo-dogs___Designer_Mutts/poo-dogs___designer_mutts.html

 

Can I ask why this mix is what you're looking for?

 

weelass24

GBCK:

Because thereare NO good breeders of mixed-breed dogs--the person 'producing' such dogs is either 1) a BYB or 2) a puppymiller.

I don't want to start a whole war, but I think this statement is a bit broad.  I am sure somewhere there is a resonsible breeder.  It may be the majority, but not every single breeder of mixed breed dogs is a puppymiller or a BYB with no regard to safety or health standards.

 

weelass24

Also, she was asking for help, not people to jump all over her about her choice in dog.

GBCK

weelass24:

GBCK:

Because thereare NO good breeders of mixed-breed dogs--the person 'producing' such dogs is either 1) a BYB or 2) a puppymiller.

I don't want to start a whole war, but I think this statement is a bit broad.  I am sure somewhere there is a resonsible breeder.  It may be the majority, but not every single breeder of mixed breed dogs is a puppymiller or a BYB with no regard to safety or health standards.

 

I will say there *are* a few (a very very very very very very few) peole who are working toward breed standards--the original Austrailina labradoodles come to mind.

But the chances of someone find those, what,  5 people in all of the US is absurdly small.

And the problem being, w/ these dogs, there ARE no standards to breed to.

So I think I stand by that.  I have YET to see a mixed-breed-dog-breeder who didn't fit into those 2 categories.  

Mrs_Liberto

weelass24:

GBCK:

Because thereare NO good breeders of mixed-breed dogs--the person 'producing' such dogs is either 1) a BYB or 2) a puppymiller.

I don't want to start a whole war, but I think this statement is a bit broad.  I am sure somewhere there is a resonsible breeder.  It may be the majority, but not every single breeder of mixed breed dogs is a puppymiller or a BYB with no regard to safety or health standards.

 

GBCK is correct, though. In crossed breeds, there is no way to guarantee which breed traits you will get. Responsible breeders won't take that risk. There is NO way to guarantee safety or health standards in a crossed breed. Period. End of story. You just don't know what you're going to get.

https://www.puppyprimer.com/designer-dogs.html

Dani, if you are considering a poodle cross at all, check out doodlerescuecollective.com.

Mrs_Liberto

cmoosey:

weelass24:

GBCK:

Because thereare NO good breeders of mixed-breed dogs--the person 'producing' such dogs is either 1) a BYB or 2) a puppymiller.

I don't want to start a whole war, but I think this statement is a bit broad.  I am sure somewhere there is a resonsible breeder.  It may be the majority, but not every single breeder of mixed breed dogs is a puppymiller or a BYB with no regard to safety or health standards.

 

I agree.  Not everyone breeds dogs as their business.  Sometimes they have these mix dogs that have pups.  My mom just got a mixed breed like this, from a local family that just happened to have pups.  

You are comparing apples and oranges. A person whose dog accidentally has mixed breed puppies (which is a whole different can of worms but equally stupid) is a completely different ballgame than someone who intentionally breeds their dog with the intent to make a profit. 

GBCK

cmoosey:

weelass24:

GBCK:

Because thereare NO good breeders of mixed-breed dogs--the person 'producing' such dogs is either 1) a BYB or 2) a puppymiller.

I don't want to start a whole war, but I think this statement is a bit broad.  I am sure somewhere there is a resonsible breeder.  It may be the majority, but not every single breeder of mixed breed dogs is a puppymiller or a BYB with no regard to safety or health standards.

 

I agree.  Not everyone breeds dogs as their business.  Sometimes they have these mix dogs that have pups.  My mom just got a mixed breed like this, from a local family that just happened to have pups.  

Well, then it was an 'oops' litter, I assume?  (because people SHOULDN"T be breeding if it's not a business/they're not showing/etc)

that's a differnt level of ARRRGH for people who do anything w/ rescue.

weelass24

I totally understand that most BYB breeders are not remotely concered about the dogs.  I do.  But to say that no breeders are is too absolute.  I am a huge advocate of shutting down those breeders and puppy mills.  I think it is disgusting and everyone of those people should rot for how they treat animals.

I think you can be against that and be for responible breeding at the same time.  And if someone who knows nothing about that stuff comes on here and asks for help, to explain things in a clear manner, without slamming her with information about how awful it is to buy a mixed breed, is far more efficitive.

That is all I am saying. 

danlexi04

Holy crap! I didn't mean to start a dog war. I didn't say I'm going out to buy one today, I'm just looking into the breed. I would love to be able to adopt or rescue but it would have to be a puppy. But like I just said that seems to have been ignored the first time around, I'm just looking into it. It could be years before we get another dog or not at all. I just have questions.

GBCK

I don't htink there was 'slamming'.

I linkeed good info.

I stated fact--which I still stand by as fact.

WaitingOnTwoPinkLines

savannah_girl:

weelass24:

GBCK:

Because thereare NO good breeders of mixed-breed dogs--the person 'producing' such dogs is either 1) a BYB or 2) a puppymiller.

I don't want to start a whole war, but I think this statement is a bit broad.  I am sure somewhere there is a resonsible breeder.  It may be the majority, but not every single breeder of mixed breed dogs is a puppymiller or a BYB with no regard to safety or health standards.

 

I agree. My parents used to be breeders. We breed shih-tzus and shih-tzu-yourkies mix. They went to go homes, with the agreement if the families didn't/could keep them, they came back to us.  Our dogs were very well taken care off. The last "puppy" that we kept just died... at the happy age of 16.

My aunt is a breeders for labs. We are thinking about breeding our lab puppy (when she is closer to 3). Don't assume every breeder is bad or a puppymill problem.

The only good breeders are breeders that breed for the breed, not to make money. True breeders, that aren't BYB, put tons of money into their breeding stock for genetic tests, proper healthcare, diet, monitoring, etc. They don't breed a dog unless it is a shining example of the breed, with the health profile to match. They usually barely break even from the sale of pups.

Just because one of your puppies lived to be 16 doesn't mean squat. There are exceptions to every "rule". Were the parents tested for genetic diseases such as progressive retinal atrophy? Shih Tzu/Yorkie mixes are not bred to further the breed towards a breed standard, they are bred to make money. I cringe every time I see people buy mixed breed dogs for egregious sums of money. Or "teacup" Chihuahuas for twice the price of a "normal" Chihuahua - considering they are all the same. And the trend towards 2lb dogs? Don't even get me started.

 Why are you going to breed your Lab? Is she a champion? Have you ever shown her (or are you planning on it)? Has she ever competed in a field trial (or will she)?What makes her a shining example of a Lab (better than the eleventy-billion other Labs out there)? I'm guessing you like her, and you'd like to have one of her puppies. To me, that is not an acceptable reason to breed; it's right up there with "I want my children to see the miracle of life" - buy a freaking movie. You are also putting her at risk for a myriad of diseases/conditions, most preventable by being spayed at an early age. Not to mention, when she pops out 10 puppies, 10 more dogs in the shelter will die because of lost homes. Oh, and are you going to give them their first vaccines yourself? Or are you going to be a responsible breeder and take them to a vet? 

I'm going to stop now, because I feel like I'm probably getting out-of-hand with this. But it's something I'm passionate about. I see the consequences of "breeders" every day, and it sickens me.

OP - PLEASE, don't buy a "Labradoodle" from a breeder. Rescue one, find one in the shelter, check PetFinder.com. There are so many dogs that need homes. & do your research (as I see you are trying to do - sorry for hijacking). They can be good dogs, but aren't for everyone - just like every breed or mixed breed. 

WaitingOnTwoPinkLines

danlexi04:

Holy crap! I didn't mean to start a dog war. I didn't say I'm going out to buy one today, I'm just looking into the breed. I would love to be able to adopt or rescue but it would have to be a puppy. But like I just said that seems to have been ignored the first time around, I'm just looking into it. It could be years before we get another dog or not at all. I just have questions.

Why would it have to be a puppy?

Adult dogs are just as good, and in some situations better than, puppies. They are usually done with the chewing stage, they are often already house trained, and their personalities are already developed and evident.

 It's good that you are looking into things, and you've been given good information, with links. Good luck in your search (I mean that). 

greenclown

Can I ask why it has to be a puppy? One great thing about adults is a lot of their personalities are already known, plus they're generally easier, IMO.

GBCK

I will say, the giving advice before asked?

BOTB is known for that.

I mean, for crying out loud, if someone came here and taled about CIO for a 3 month old, they'd get advice, asked for or not.

And people who are all "asqueee, I might be PG" are told to read TCOYF and to POAS all the damn time.

 

THis is an issue that DIRECTLY relates to the lives (and deaths) of 100s to 1000's of dogs every year.  I don't feel bad about *soapboxing* a bit about it. 

I wasn't trying to start a 'war', that's why I gave some basic facts and then linked to good sites that would explain the issue.

 

It's swell that some dogs live to 16...I had a poorly-bred-sheltie growing up that we got from a rescue, she was put down at 18.  That doesn't mean the world needs more poorly bred shelties or that it was a good thing she was bred.  (and My dog is a mixed-breed rescue--that I got at 8 weeks old from the HS.  I've nothing against mixed breed dogs.  Or puppies.  But honestly?  the person who allowed my dog to be bred was a moron who should be kicked in the head and then the groin.  )

danlexi04

WaitingOnTwoPinkLines:

danlexi04:

Holy crap! I didn't mean to start a dog war. I didn't say I'm going out to buy one today, I'm just looking into the breed. I would love to be able to adopt or rescue but it would have to be a puppy. But like I just said that seems to have been ignored the first time around, I'm just looking into it. It could be years before we get another dog or not at all. I just have questions.

Why would it have to be a puppy?

Adult dogs are just as good, and in some situations better than, puppies. They are usually done with the chewing stage, they are often already house trained, and their personalities are already developed and evident.

 It's good that you are looking into things, and you've been given good information, with links. Good luck in your search (I mean that). 

I'm not going into this blind. Growing up we adopted dogs and I been around dogs all of my life, mutts and show worthy breeds. It needs to be a puppy because I'm afraid of an adult dogs past. Often their past is unknown and therefor they could have been abused etc causing unknown behavioral issues. Yes any dog can have those issues without a traumatic past but I have personally experienced it and it left a bad taste in my mouth. Again, I'd prefer to adopt or rescue but my op was really just to ask questions about the breed to someone that has them, not to start a breed vs rescue debate. I asked a fairly broad question about it. I didn't say I'm leaving in 10 to buy a dog from the pet store because the puppy looked cute. I understand why people feel strongly about dogs but this got out of hand fast over nothing but a simple question.

boxermama24

weelass24:

I totally understand that most BYB breeders are not remotely concered about the dogs.  I do.  But to say that no breeders are is too absolute.  I am a huge advocate of shutting down those breeders and puppy mills.  I think it is disgusting and everyone of those people should rot for how they treat animals.

I think you can be against that and be for responible breeding at the same time.  And if someone who knows nothing about that stuff comes on here and asks for help, to explain things in a clear manner, without slamming her with information about how awful it is to buy a mixed breed, is far more efficitive.

That is all I am saying. 

I completely agree with this, Wee. 

Any time you are wanting to truly reach someone about touchy issues, jumping their backs is not the way to get them to listen or respect your viewpoint.  If you are truly passionate about something, but friendly and respectful about approaching the issue or the person could be completely turned off by it and disregard your potentially pertinent information.

I work in rescue.  I volunteer, foster, and now train troubled rescue dogs.  I see daily dogs that are returned by their owners, dogs in shelters waiting to die that have to be saved and some that can't be saved, and even owners who checked out to be A-OK decide after a few weeks, they no longer want the dog and wish to return them back to the rescue because they had zero commitment all along.  

It is important to know and research a breed, to be dedicated to whatever may come with a dog you choose (rescue or otherwise) because it is the stupid, uneducated people who lack commitment that cause our shelters to be busting at the seems and my rescue group to be full and unable to accept more at this time.

With all that said, I completely support reputable breeders because without them, breed standards wouldn't exist and the breeds we know and love would dwindle away and eventually not exist as well.  There will always be breeders and there will always be shelters.  It's just the way it is always going to be, so educate yourself and be committed to your decision so that you don't add to the problem.

And don't automatically suggest the Humane Society either.  Local humane societies are wonderful, but the Humane Society of the United States is completely unethical and the average person doesn't know the difference because the names are so similar.  www.humanewatch.org

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boxermama24

greenclown:

Can I ask why it has to be a puppy? One great thing about adults is a lot of their personalities are already known, plus they're generally easier, IMO.

This is not always true, unfortunately.  Some adult dogs have less puppy tendencies, which is very nice, but others have a lot of ingrained issues that are very hard to break - not good with kids, dog aggression, fear of men, not cat-friendly, separation anxiety, and a slue of others that are much easier to correct with a puppy than they are a dog over 2 years old.  Out of the 25+ dogs in my rescue group that are adults (most of them are), probably 20 of them had difficult issues that need the absolute perfect owner to come along to take that particular dog, who won't get fed up and want to return them out of frustration.

CarrieLiz

danlexi04:

I'm looking into a chocolate colored labradoodle and I have no idea where to start. Any info would be great.

Yes, it's FK.  And you don't have to explain yourself to any of us. 

WaitingOnTwoPinkLines

savannah_girl:

GBCK:

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The only good breeders are breeders that breed for the breed, not to make money. True breeders, that aren't BYB, put tons of money into their breeding stock for genetic tests, proper healthcare, diet, monitoring, etc. They don't breed a dog unless it is a shining example of the breed, with the health profile to match. They usually barely break even from the sale of pups.

Just because one of your puppies lived to be 16 doesn't mean squat. There are exceptions to every "rule". Were the parents tested for genetic diseases such as progressive retinal atrophy? Shih Tzu/Yorkie mixes are not bred to further the breed towards a breed standard, they are bred to make money. I cringe every time I see people buy mixed breed dogs for egregious sums of money. Or "teacup" Chihuahuas for twice the price of a "normal" Chihuahua - considering they are all the same. And the trend towards 2lb dogs? Don't even get me started.

 Why are you going to breed your Lab? Is she a champion? Have you ever shown her (or are you planning on it)? Has she ever competed in a field trial (or will she)?What makes her a shining example of a Lab (better than the eleventy-billion other Labs out there)? I'm guessing you like her, and you'd like to have one of her puppies. To me, that is not an acceptable reason to breed; it's right up there with "I want my children to see the miracle of life" - buy a freaking movie. You are also putting her at risk for a myriad of diseases/conditions, most preventable by being spayed at an early age. Not to mention, when she pops out 10 puppies, 10 more dogs in the shelter will die because of lost homes. Oh, and are you going to give them their first vaccines yourself? Or are you going to be a responsible breeder and take them to a vet? 

My lab is not a champion (yet), I am planning on showing her. I just beleive she is to hyper for a show now. She is barely a year old, but we are working with her to be prepared for the ring. She is an incredible example of the breed. She has 37 champions in her direct line. She was a gift from my aunt, who breds and shows (in the ring and in agility) labs. I would not "sell" her puppies, but fine good homes to people who know the breed. My Vet has already asked for a puppy for her, IF we do breed.  As for the first shots, yes, I would give them, or my aunt would. I would breed her no more than twice (which my Vet suggested), if we breed her at all.

As for the shih-tzu and shih-poo breeding my parents did. The shih-tzus were also champions. We breed my brother's shih-tzu 3 times, (suggested by our vet), I never showed my dog but several of the other puppies are champions. They were all very healthy and from my understanding didn't have anything eye or ear problems that are prone to the breed. Now the Yorkie breeding. My mother had a Yorkie before that one, that died of uterine cancer, at the time, it was suggested to breed Yorkies atleast once then spay them to decrease the odds of it happening again.  So my parents did, with the same male that they breed the shih-tzu with. We kept all those puppies in the family.

To be honest, I am the one that delivered all 4 litters, and my father gave  them their first shots.

 

My mother and sister currently rescues animals. They have lots of land and time. Our animals are well groomed, feeded properly, fixed, and proper vet checks.

I personally only have two dogs, my lab and my chihuaha/pug mix. The Chug was a rescue. He was found in a box. He is a adorable and many people asked me to breed him. As a responsbile owner, I already see issues with him (eye issues, breathing/grunting problems), so I declined and had him fixed at 6 months.

I am all for rescuing, and I am against all puppy mills. Every purebreed dog my family has ever had was from responsbile breeders that we knew personally, not an add in the newspaper or a puppy show in the mall.

I had a whole response typed out, but I feel really bad that the OP got hijacked. 

OP - I really hope you are able to find what you are looking for. Please don't discount adult rescues - you might miss the best dog out there.