New Shiloh picture...

StarryNight39

what do you think? I'm all for self expression, but it seems like this is a bit much. 

 https://www.usmagazine.com/stylebeauty/news/shiloh-wears-boys-swim-trunks-201068   

 

 

xbrooklyngrl

They are f*cking idiots. How's that for self expression?

Pretty soon Shiloh will be Chaz Bono.

Seriously, they need to get a grip.

Dougsgirl4ever

So she is the one in the boy swim trunks & no shirt. 

MayorMcCheese000

xbrooklyngrl:

They are f*cking idiots. How's that for self expression?

Pretty soon Shiloh will be Chaz Bono.

Seriously, they need to get a grip.

I was JUST going to type I think they have a future Chaz Bono on their hands! lol

 

springmom

I've never had a girl who wanted to dress as a boy, but I think if DD picked a boy suit, I'd put her in a rash guard shirt, too.

cooker71

If she WANTS to dress like a boy, etc. that's one thing. If they're PUSHING it on her to be "different" and "hip" and "cool," that's completely another.

Not sure what's the case here.

juniper19

Who cares?

They are teaching her to be comfortable in her own skin.  And let's not kid ourselves.  She runs in different social circles than most of us, along with different social rules, where it is a lot easier to be different.

I sure hope she doesn't end up like Chaz Bono.  Imagine the pain of his confusion all those years.  If Shiloh turns out to be transgendered she's very lucky to have parents that are embracing her for who she is at such an early age, saving her tremendous heartache.

JenninMA

So, if a parent allows her daughter to wear swim trunks the kid is likely to be transgendered??

Who cares what she wears while swimming? A four-year-old girl doesn't have breasts that need to be covered up by a bikini top. And letting a child chose her clothes won't "turn" her gay or straight.

juniper19

cooker71:

If she WANTS to dress like a boy, etc. that's one thing. If they're PUSHING it on her to be "different" and "hip" and "cool," that's completely another.

Not sure what's the case here.

Angelina has said that she chooses it, and Zahara is a girly-girl in all the photos, so it is hard to believe they are pushing it.

~Kat~

Yeah. IMO, it's fine to let your daughter dress in boy's clothes if she wants to, but the topless thing bothers me. I can't imagine that they are not encouraging the boyish behavior in some way.

Kapalua

It's like they took the fact that she's not a girly girl and are going to the extreme with it.  She has plenty of time in her little life to make gender decisions.  Not saying they should put her in a tutu...but they could find a happy medium. 

docmay25

I am all for letting your child express themsleves and not making things a battle that don't need to be...but Ithink it is getting too far.

She is 4 years old and I understand she is far from developing years shouldn't her parents be teaching her that you cover your "private areas"?  And for a girl, that means you wear a shirt out in public.

docmay25

I am all for letting your child express themsleves and not making things a battle that don't need to be...but Ithink it is getting too far.

She is 4 years old and I understand she is far from developing years  but shouldn't her parents be teaching her that you cover your "private areas"?  And for a girl, that means you wear a shirt out in public.

luckyluvr

My kids wear what I buy for them. I'm educated in women's studies w/ a degree in sociology, so I've studied all about gender roles, etc. You know what...my daughter is still going to be wearing girls' clothing! There's being comfortable in your own skin, but not at 4 years old.

summerbrideDC

juniper19:

Who cares?

They are teaching her to be comfortable in her own skin.  And let's not kid ourselves.  She runs in different social circles than most of us, along with different social rules, where it is a lot easier to be different.

I sure hope she doesn't end up like Chaz Bono.  Imagine the pain of his confusion all those years.  If Shiloh turns out to be transgendered she's very lucky to have parents that are embracing her for who she is at such an early age, saving her tremendous heartache.

This. 100%.  But this comes from a mom who lets her son dress up in princess dresses and wear his hair below his shoulders.  Because he expresses a desire to do so.  I have NO idea to what extent, if any, my kid's interest in dressing like a girl or pretending at times that he is a girl, will go.  But I'm not going to shame him out of it, either.  

It makes me sad that people are judging this 4 year old girl b/c she wants to dress like a boy. 

 

summerbrideDC

luckyluvr:

My kids wear what I buy for them. I'm educated in women's studies w/ a degree in sociology, so I've studied all about gender roles, etc. You know what...my daughter is still going to be wearing girls' clothing! There's being comfortable in your own skin, but not at 4 years old.

So...you really don't believe your kid should have a say in how she dresses? Because she's 4?  Awesome.  

JenninMA

luckyluvr:

My kids wear what I buy for them. I'm educated in women's studies w/ a degree in sociology, so I've studied all about gender roles, etc. You know what...my daughter is still going to be wearing girls' clothing! There's being comfortable in your own skin, but not at 4 years old.

 So, when is it acceptable to be comfortable in your own skin? 95?

4Speedy

docmay25:

I am all for letting your child express themsleves and not making things a battle that don't need to be...but Ithink it is getting too far.

She is 4 years old and I understand she is far from developing years shouldn't her parents be teaching her that you cover your "private areas"?  And for a girl, that means you wear a shirt out in public.

 

It doesn't look to me like she was out in public.  With the landscaping so close to the edge of the pool, that looks more like a private backyard than a public pool. 

peekaboo716

springmom:

I've never had a girl who wanted to dress as a boy, but I think if DD picked a boy suit, I'd put her in a rash guard shirt, too.

Me too.

heyitsme

4Speedy:

It doesn't look to me like she was out in public.  With the landscaping so close to the edge of the pool, that looks more like a private backyard than a public pool. 

Agreed. It looks like a private yard or something, not a public pool or beach.

emilykristene2006

The paparazzi climb walls and hide behind bushes to get their pictures. Why is everyone assuming this was right out in the open somewhere public?

I think I would rather put the blame on the paparazzi or People for publishing the photo in the first place.

ETA- actually, not People, but Us magazine.

Expecting0207

peekaboo716:

springmom:

I've never had a girl who wanted to dress as a boy, but I think if DD picked a boy suit, I'd put her in a rash guard shirt, too.

Me too.

Me as well.   I think at 4 her chest should be covered, but I always put my girls in the shirts for sun protection anyway.

docmay25

have you read some of the comments at the bottom of the picture?  Those people are the real crazy ones.  One person said that brad and Angelina are "training the little beauty to be Gay"  training??  People are so clueless.

xbrooklyngrl

Ok, yes its great they let their kids express themselves and be who they want to be. FINE. I just think they do have a lot to do with it, I really do.

As for what you said SBDC, allowing your child to br creative, be his own person, etc is great. I'm really not knocking anyone for that and I am definitely not judging the child. I just really do believe they push this.

Angelina is fullof sh*t. I think she totally molds them to who she wants them to be.

summerbrideDC

docmay25:

have you read some of the comments at the bottom of the picture?  Those people are the real crazy ones.  One person said that brad and Angelina are "training the little beauty to be Gay"  training??  People are so clueless.

Sadly, although not in the same words, there are people here who have said just about the same thing.  

A-baybride

I don't care if she wants to look and dress like a boy at any age.  But I have to wonder if she's discovered this is a way to get attention.  Her parents have a bazillion kids all under the age of... 6 or so? Plus they are both busy with their careers. Not a lot of parent time to go around.

mlm1128

If some a-hole with a telscopic lens was sitting around my house taking pics of private family situations I am sure there would be plenty to pick apart.  How is this any different than my dd walking around in her underwear and no shirt once she's home at night?  I'm pretty sure the Joile-Pitts aren't hanging out at the local swim club with the regular folks. I would guess this is their own backyard.

And really, what if she DOES grow up to be another Chaz Bono?  If that's who she is, then that's who she is.  At least she has parents that will accept that and not make into some evil thing.

praline

It's puzzling.  But I'm no child psychologist...maybe if your child is showing a very strong preference to be the other gender it is healthy to let them explore that.  What do you really know about it?  (I'm am asking genuinely...do you know about the process people who are transgender go through, when it emerges, what to do about it?)

They should have access to the best medical care and the best mental health care and maybe they've been advised to let her do this.  Or maybe they are kooks.  I don't know enough to say.

Amanda&Chris

xbrooklyngrl:

Angelina is fullof sh*t. I think she totally molds them to who she wants them to be.

I tend to think this as well.  I also agree with cooker that it's hard to know what the case is here.  If she truly identifies more with her older brothers then fine, there's no harm in her dressing like a boy.  But I also do think Angelina creates "personas" for her kids and leads them toward it.  Remember Maddox's mohawk at 5ish?  I know they run in different social circles than the rest of us, but how did he even know about mohawks to ask for one at 5 years old?

I'm also in the camp that would have her wear a rashguard or something on top.  I had a backyard pool when we lived in CA and I wouldn't have let Lila go out there topless because it's not how she should dress for the pool even if it is our own backyard.

 

praline

Oh and I think people are positing the possibility of her being transgendered (just conjecture of course) because it isn't just the swim trunks...it's the hair, every time she's photographed she's dressed 'like a boy,' etc....

mlm1128

I can tell you this from personal experience.  If the kid is gay, she and everyone around probably does already know it. Or if she is transgendered for that matter.  I have a cousin who is gay.  We have known it since he was 3...it is sometimes pretty evident right from the start.

xbrooklyngrl

Amanda&Chris:

xbrooklyngrl:

Angelina is fullof sh*t. I think she totally molds them to who she wants them to be.

I tend to think this as well.  I also agree with cooker that it's hard to know what the case is here.  If she truly identifies more with her older brothers then fine, there's no harm in her dressing like a boy.  But I also do think Angelina creates "personas" for her kids and leads them toward it.  Remember Maddox's mohawk at 5ish?  I know they run in different social circles than the rest of us, but how did he even know about mohawks to ask for one at 5 years old?

thank you, you said thay way better than I did. And yes, I was just about to post about the mohawk too.

BubblyToes

mlm1128:

If some a-hole with a telscopic lens was sitting around my house taking pics of private family situations I am sure there would be plenty to pick apart.  How is this any different than my dd walking around in her underwear and no shirt once she's home at night?  I'm pretty sure the Joile-Pitts aren't hanging out at the local swim club with the regular folks. I would guess this is their own backyard.

And really, what if she DOES grow up to be another Chaz Bono?  If that's who she is, then that's who she is.  At least she has parents that will accept that and not make into some evil thing.

This, word for word.

I'm sure the photogs would have a field day with dinnertime at our house.  My kid eats in his undies, because he makes such a mess, I don't want him destroying his clothes.  LOL

emilykristene2006

I did not realize so many people felt it was okay to judge a child for being who they want to be. And we wonder why so many people have low self esteem or feel ashamed to truly be themselves?

And to say that Jolie guides her kids to be who she wants them to be? Some buy their kids expensive clothes and extravagant dresses, push them to ivy league schools, force them to play sports. Everyone guides their children in one direction or another. Do you really think Jolie is telling Shiloh she needs to wear these shorts or she cannot leave the house? Maybe she is guiding them to be self expressive, comfortable in their own skin and happy?

My mom let me dress how I wanted. Most of the time it was in boy clothes. Who cares?

EMT

I don't see the big deal. DD's preschool friend had her 4th b-day last weekend. The invite was spiderman. When we showed up, she was running up and down the waterslide in an outfit just like Shiloh's (spiderman swim trunks and no top). She has an older brother that she looks up to and has no interest in princesses or "girl stuff." BFD.

As long as it's the kids agenda and not the parents, I couldn't care less.

praline

I agree that it's fine for Shiloh to wear boy clothes and I am all for letting children express themselves...but if my DD wanted to wear boy clothes all the time (and Shiloh isn't in just jeans and a t-shirt when you see her pictured...she's wearing ties, boyish hats, the realllly short hair) it would be hard for me.  I completely want to accept my children if they are gay or transgendered but it wouldn't be easy!  (the transgendered especially).

For those who say they'd dress their boy in girl clothes all the time without a second doubt....I don't believe you. 

Maybe Shiloh really really looks up to her older brothers.

gracendantho26

My friends 5 year old DD will only wear boy clothes and has been this way for a few years now. She wears a backwards baseball hat, boy sports shorts, and super hero T-shirts (like Spiderman)...and wears boys shoes. It is completely by her DD's preference and my friend does not push her at all she just lets her DD choose. She also has a 7 year old DD who is super girly.

camrude

EMT:

As long as it's the kids agenda and not the parents, I couldn't care less.

This.

 

joseysbride

camrude:

EMT:

As long as it's the kids agenda and not the parents, I couldn't care less.

This.

 

This is how I feel.  Although, I am not a fan of AJ at all, so when I see this photo I sort of cringe.  However, had it been Violet Affleck, I may have had a different reaction because I think Jennifer Garner is awesome, so...I guess it goes back to the original quote from EMT for me.  I question AJ's motives on many things.  I'm not so sure a 3 year old would ask for a hair cut like that either (I don't know for sure how long her hair has been short, but it's been awhile).

veloelle

A-baybride:

I don't care if she wants to look and dress like a boy at any age.  But I have to wonder if she's discovered this is a way to get attention.  Her parents have a bazillion kids all under the age of... 6 or so? Plus they are both busy with their careers. Not a lot of parent time to go around.

 

So Long Astoria

Eh, she's what....three?

Who cares...either she'll grow out of it, or she really wanted to be a boy. Either way, I don't think supressing it does anyone any good.