If I have missed any updates please let me know J
Question of the day: If money weren?t an issue, would you consider being a SAHW?
Nestie(s) of the day: juliannat ? everything is crossed for you J
Good luck to: KISSIES ? beta today
harley12 ? ET today
steveandkim2 ? ET tomorrow
Congrats to: (I?m hoping this spot its flooded w/ bfp?s over the coming weeks ? so many lovely ladies cycling right now!)
Hugs to: thirdrailmiche ? wishing you lots of luck on your adoption journey
aj5oh00, laurens1122, & c0debabe
Betweencycles:
Afineellen: IVF #2-cancelled; FET #1, BFN
aj5oh00: IVF #1 ? BFN, IVF #2 ? BFN
Ali212: IVF #1 -BFN, IVF #2 - BFN, IVF #3 - BFN, IVF #4 ?January
Amers8301: IVF #1 ? BFN
anangelbug: IVF #1- BFN?
aplus816: IVF #1 -all frozen due to OHSS ET, FET #1 ? BFN, IVF #2 ? m/c
austxgirl: IVF #1 -cancelled due to PGS issues, IVF #1.5 ? m/c
badonk: IVF #1 ? cancelled
BBlindy: FET #1 - m/c; IVF#2 - BFN; FET #2 - m/c
beachbum1: IVF #1 ? BFN
beachgal0114: IVF #1 ? BFN
BEANCOUNTR76: IVF#1 - m/c; IVF #2 - m/c twins, FET #1 ?BFN
betheveh: IVF #1 ? c/p
BlissEverAfter: IVF#1 - m/c?
brody8336: IVF #1 -BFN, FET #1 ? c/p
BunnyintheYard: IVF #1 ? c/p, IVF #2 ? BFN
caden: IVF#1 - BFN; IVF #2- c/p, IVF #3 ? Jan
Caityr: IVF#1 -m/c; IVF#2 - c/p
catery18: IVF #1-2 ? BFN, IVF #3-4 ? c/p
ccbanana: IVF #1 ?m/c, IVF #2 ? BFN
c0debabe: IVF #1 ? m/c
DinaLINY: IVF #1 ?BFN
Dragonfly1226: IVF#1 ? m/c, IVF #2 ? May
DrVWife: IVF#1 ? BFN, IVF #2 - August
Echloe: IVF#1 - 2ndtri loss, FET #1 - BFN, FET #2 - m/c, FET #3 ? BFN, IVF #2 ? BFN, Lupron Depot prior to FET #4
Family hopes: IVF #1 - May
flutterby918: IVF#1 cancelled at ET, IVF #2 cancelled before ET, FET #1 ? c/p
FutureMsReeder: IVF#1 - July 10
GoBlue1979: IVF #1 ?BFN
grazy: IVF #1? ER 1/16 ? all frozen OHSS
hillaree: IVF #1 ? BFN, IVF #2 - May
iwannababy2010: IVF#1 ? BFN; IVF #2 ? m/c
JackieMac824: IVF#1 ? m/c
jannasmith: IVF #1 ? ET cancelled due to OHSS
*jenjen*: IVF #1w/PGD - cancelled; IVF #1.5 w/PGD - BFN; IVF #2 - m/c, FET #1 ? BFN
jhleap: IVF #1 ?BFN
Jlynn3: IVF #1 ? BFN
JM1977: IVF#1 ?BFN, IVF #2 ? cancelled; moving on to DE?
Justsayjo: IVF #2 - BFN; IVF #3 - BFN; considering known DE
k827: IVF #1 - m/c; FET - June, IVF #2 ? BFN?
kakunaa: IVF #1 - June
Kellymsb: IVF #1 - BFN; FET#1 - blighted ovum; FET #2 - m/c; IVF #2 - BFN?
Kiki11: IVF #1 -BFN; IVF #2 - c/p; IVF#3 - c/p; FET#1 -m/c, IVF #4 ? m/c
KissyfaceKate: IVF #2 -e/p, FET - BFN, IVF #3- April?
koyn: IVF #1 - BFN; IVF#2 - no eggs; ?
Laurajeff: IVF #1, c/p
laurens1122: IVF #1? m/c
Lara09: IVF #1 ? BFN
Love&Hope: IVF#1 - Nov/Dec
lunatwo: IVF #1 ? BFN, IVF #2 ? c/p
LuvBugKel: IVF #1 -BFN; considering FET; currently on a break
maksym05: IVF #1 - soon
mamabear7: IVF #1 -no embryos to transfer, IVF #2 ? BFN, IVF #3 - May
MarriedaSportsNut:IVF #2 - BFN, IVF#3 coming up
marrie2himonly: IVF#1 - m/c, IVF #2 ? March/April??
mellj03: IVF #1 -cancelled; IVF#2 - canceled; IVF #3 ? BFN
missred75: IVF #1 ?cancelled
MrsChrisA: IVF #1 - BFN; on a break
MrsKario: IVF #1 -BFN; IVF #2 - m/c at 8 weeks
MrsOjoButtons: IVF #1- August/September 2009
MrsTeacherTrooper: IVF #1 ? BFN
Nancybill: IVF #1 -ER 2/27, froze all embryos due to OHSS (as of 3/5)
NursieNurse: IVF #1? BFN
NYC1216: IVF #1 ? m/c
psychmusetls: IUI converted to IVF #1 - m/c; FET #1 - BFN, IVF #2 ? BFN
rachel06: IVF #1 ?m/c, FET #1 ? c/p
Saverchic: IVF #1 - soon?
schoolsoutbride: IVF #1-BFN?sheila1108: IVF #1 in August
shoebox4: IVF #1 - OHSS ET cancelled. FET in 2-3months?
SunMoon&Stars: IVF #1w/DE ? BFN
tab2710: IVF #1 -ET canceled; IVF#2 - BFN, IVF #3 ? BFN
svp1537: IVF # -BFN, IVF #2 - BFN, IVF #3 ? BFN, IVF #4 ? to IUI ? BFN, IVF #5 w/ DE May
taraandkyle06: IVF#1 ? soon
waitwhat: IVF #1 ?Dec
wewannababy: IVF #1 ? BFN
Beyond IVF
*Willis* - IVF #1 ? BFN, Pursuing Adoption
angel13 ? IVF #1 -BFN, IVF #2 ? BFN, Moving to Domestic Adoption
lovemymonkey: Pursuing International Adoption from Korea ?Home study complete!
PrincessShay80: Moving to Domestic Adoption
thirdrailmiche: IVF #1 ? BFN, Moving to Adoption
On BCPs/Lupron now:
2006july15bride: IVF #1 ? on BCP
4510heather: IVF #1 ? on BCP
amaksym05: IVF #1 ? on BCP
cbeney: IVF #1 ? on BCP
chaucer: IVF #1 ?BFN, IVF #2 ? on BCP
cherylk: IVF#1 ? on Lupron
colbie77: IVF # 1 -c/p, FET #1 ? BFN, IVF #2 ? on Lupron
Hoosiergurl: IVF #1 ? on BCP
Imanurse03: IVF #1- c/p, FET #1 - m/c, IVF #2 ? cancelled, IVF #2.1 ? on BCP
lnross: IVF #1 ? on Lupron
Kelinand Kevin: IVF #1 ? on BCP
melnmick: IVF #1 ?on BCP
miamicubajam: IVF #1 ? on BCP
miesl: IVF #1 w/PGD? BFN, IVF #2 ? on BCP
MontyMrs: IVF #1 -c/p; FET #1 - m/c; IVF #2 - m/c, FET #2- BFN, IVF #3 ? BFN, IVF #4 ? on BCP
newsbaby: IVF #1 ? BFN, IVF #2 ? no ET, FET #1-2 ? BFN, IVF #3 ? BFN, IVF #4 ? on Lupron
nikinikinine: IVF#1 ? blighted ovum, IVF #2 ? on Lupron
njohnson1972: IVF#1 ? BFN, IVF #2 ? on Lupron
sulfababy: IVF #1 -ET cancelled, FET #1 ? BFN, IVF #2 ? on BCP
sweetky_06: IVF #1 ? on BCP
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Preparing for FET cycle:
ams8099: IVF #1 ? c/p, FET #1 ? on Estrogen
BigHairQueen: IVF#1 ? ectopic, FET #1 ? 4/22
chosner82: IVF #1 -BFN; FET #1 - soon
katerena: FET #1 -BFN; FET #2 ? August
Mrs.P7/15/06: IVF #1 ? BFN, FET #1 ? cancelled, FET #1.2 ? BFN, FET #2 ? on Estrace
PoeticJustice: IVF#1 ? BFN, FET #1 ? on BCP
PrincessBride26: IVF #1 - BFN; FET #1 - BFN; FET #2 - once AF shows
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Stimming Now/OnEstrogen:
07may07: IVF #1 ? on stims
ChiTownBridget: IVF#1 ? c/p, IVF #2 - on stims
gidge: IVF #1 ? ET cancelled - no embryos, IVF #2 ? on stims
hollymichael: IVF#1 ? BFN, IVF #2 ? converting to IUI
Marielle0430: IVF #1 ? on stims
mrs.cam: IVF #1 ?on stims
musubigirl: IVF #1 ? on stims
NICOLE032: IVF #1 ? on stims
roselln2: IVF #1 ? BFN, IVF #2 w/ DS- on Estrace
Ready for ER/ET:
harley12: IVF #1 -c/p, FET #1 - c/p, IVF #2 - BFN, IVF#3 -BFN, IVF #4 ? BFN, FET #2 ? 4/21
juliannat: IVF #6 -BFN; IVF #7 w/ DE ? ER 4/21 or 22
steveandkim2: IVF #1 ? ER 4/16, ET 4/21
In the 2WW:
deputysgirl: IVF #1 ? ER 4/7, ET 4/13
KISSIES: IVF #1 ? beta 4/20
MrsAMR: IVF #1 - BFN; IVF#2, FET #1 - cancelled; IVF #2.5 -no eggs; FET #1.5 - BFN; IVF #3 -BFN, IVF #4 - BFN, IVF #5 ? ER 4/10, ET 4/13
MrsVoz: IVF #1& 2 cancelled due to low response, IVF #3 ? beta 4/26
patchen30: IVF #1 ? ER 4/14, ET 4/19
theworms: IVF #1 -cancelled due to unsuccessful mTESE; w/new RE - dsIUI ? BFN, IVF #1.5 ? ER 4/11, ET 4/16
wiscgirl95: IVF #1? BFN, FET #1 ? 4/17
February 2010 BFPs:
BermudaBride07: IVF#1 ? BFP!!
bmagsgirl: IVF #1- BFN, FET #1 ? BFP!!
Chels0504: IVF #1 ? BFP!!
DMD1029: IVF #1 -BFN, IVF #2 - m/c, IVF #3 ? BFP!!
hopeful34: IVF #1 -BFN, FET #1 BFP!! ? TWINS!!
iluvadam: IVF #1 ? BFP!! ? TWINS!!
islandlife: IVF #1- BFN, FET #1 ? BFP!!
itsmyangel: IVF #1? BFP!!
njdcgirl: IVF #1 -c/p; IVF #2 - BFN, IVF #3 ? BFP!!
PolarBerry: IVF #1? BFP!!
SweetBijou: IVF #1? BFP!!
veronicacorningstone:IVF#1 ? BFP!! ? TWINS!!
WifeOfARedHead: IVF #1 - BFN, IVF #2 ? BFP!! ? TWINS!!
March 2010 BFPs:
Babsie7: IVF #1 ? BFP!! ? TRIPLETS!!
BridetoBe2008PA: IVF #1 ? BFP!!
cocojack10: IVF #1? BFP!!
DoodleBuddy: IVF #1 ? BFP!!
GenRN45: IVF #1 ?BFN, IVF #2 ? BFP!!
GymDogFran: IVF#1, none fertilized; IVF #2 cancelled no response, IVF#3 - BFN, DE/FET ? BFP!!
jds0521: IVF #1 ? BFP!!
Kingme: IVF #1 ? BFP!!
m&m2006: IVF #2- m/c; IVF #3 - BFN, IVF #4 - BFN; IVF#5 cancelled; IVF #5.5, 5 frozen; FET -BFN, IVF #6 ? BFN, IVF #7 ? BFP!!
mbjmaybebaby: IVF #3, 4 frozen embies for FET after chemo ? BFP!!
Mrs.Johns: IVF #1 -cancelled before ET, IVF #2 ? BFP!!
Omega20: IVF #1 ?BFN, IVF #2 ? BFP!! ? TWINS!!
Shelly-Bean: IVF #1- BFN, FET #1 ? BFN, IVF #2 ? BFP!! ? TWINS!!
April 2010 BFPs:
altee9: IVF #1 ? cancelled, IVF #1.2 ? BFP!! ? TWINS!!
Cat703: IVF #1 -BFN, IVF #2 ? BFN, FET ? BFP!!
Jenniemarie111: IVF#1 ? BFP!!
jennim1984: IVF #1? BFN, IVF #2 ? BFP!!
mrs.cb: IVF #1 ? BFN, FET #1 ? BFP!! ? TWINS!!
Re: ~*~IVF Check-in 4.20.10~*~
Good luck to all my cycling ladies!
Update: In the second week of the 2ww. Beta is on Monday. Argh!
QOTD: Absolutely!
IVF #1-4=BFN IVF #5=BFP! U/S on 5/3 revealed TWINS!
GL ladies! I hope there are tons of BFP announcements coming up!
I have a follie check in a bit but should be triggering tonight. We've had some drama with the uro and that is causing some (ok - a crap ton) stress. I just hope we have some usable sperm for Thurs. (I really, really don't like our uro - let me know if I post too much crap about what a twatwaffle he is, I can try to stop). I'm worried that it will be too old or they'll all die off between now and ER day.
QOTD: I would totally be a SAHW (or work part time) if we could swing it. I think I'd get involved in a lot of stuff. And stay home to cuddle with my fur babies
QOTD: I am a SAHW...mostly due to the Navy and our IVF schedule. I really enjoy it but there are times that I miss working...I try to keep busy with other stuff and make plans with friends. I am also solely responsible for keeping our house clean and organized. (DH does the yardwork though!) Thankfully his income from the Navy does afford us this option!
PPV to all my IVF ladies!
QOTD: I'm not sure if I'd be happy being a full-time SAHW. I could definitely deal with working part-time, but I think I'd get bored if it was full-time. I would consider being a SAHM, at least through the early years, but even then, I think I'd always like to work at least a day or so a week.
Update: AF showed today, so I'm going in for b/w and u/s tomorrow and then will start stims tomorrow night. If all goes according to plan, ER will be around 5/3!
Can I join the group?
I'll be moving onto IVF #4 hopefully in May, just waiting on AMH number to determine protocol.
QOTD: I am a SAHW as of now, laid off in 2008, and still unemployed! ;( not gonna lie - I love it.
Good luck to everyone this week!!
QOTD: I would stay at home. Partly because I feel old (could be all of these darn hormone meds) and because I feel like I have done quite a bit career wise already. I don't think I would look back and regret not having a successful business career. I would actually prefer to work part time or do more volunteer work. I just want more time for myself, more time for trips and my family. Darn these hormones!!
QOTD- I do enjoy my job but I would so love to have the free time to organize my house, care for my yard, cook, etc. What I'd really love is to have the freedom to take only jobs I wanted because of the creativity, not the money. I'm a freelance TV editor.
Update - Still BCPing away, takes forever! Lupron starts Friday
Julianatt, GOOD LUCK!!!!
QOTD: if we could afford it, I would be a SAHW without a question.
Update: 2nd u/s is thursday. Hoping smudge continues to grow strong.
Hugs and GL to all who need them.
"Smudge's Story - How to Grow a Dandelion" will return soon!
The Dandelion Archive
"If dandelions were hard to grow, they would be most welcome on any lawn."
Update: I am now on stims!
QOTD: Probably not - I would go crazy. My DH is the domestic one.
Good luck to everyone this week!
QQTD: YES!!!!!!! I would love to stay at home or just even work part time.
Update: I did my trigger last night and ER is on 4/21.
I wish everyone what they need whether it's good luck, hugs, congrats, or ppvs!!!!!
PCOS diagnosis~can't remember how many years ago
Several cycles of Clomid with OBGYn ~BFNs
11-09 Initial Consult with RE
12-09 Changed to a different RE
1-2010 CCT-BFN
2-2010 Rest Cycle, Waiting for AF..where are yOU?
3.5.2010 RE found a cyst....Rest another month
3.12.10 AF
3.13.10 Cyst still there....on BCP until next month
4.10.10 Starting Lupron/Gonal-F/Luveris
April 2010 IVF #1 ~ BFP
5.5.10 Beta #1~150
5.7.19 Beta #2~300
5.19.10 1st u/s 2 sacs~~
5.25.10 2nd u/s 2 heartbeats~twins
EDD 1.12.11
Delivered on 11.28.10 due to HELLP syndrome at 33w 4days
myblog
Hello all!!
Update: My FET is Thursday. I am excited and nervous and anxious and scared...you get the idea!
QOTD: I could be a SAHW if I wanted to, but DH and I run a business and I enjoy working with him everyday!
Good luck with your beta KISSES and PPV to all the ladies with upcoming ETs!
Update - AF is here! I go in on May 7th for blood work, and if everything looks good I can start Lupron on May 8th! I can't believe I am actually exited for IVF #2
QOTD - I think so. DH and I still talk about the possibility. We would have to move, but we talk about the possibility of moving to the midwest near dh's family. I love the idea of being a SAHM, but in practice I'm not sure if I would miss my job. I think I might.
Unexplained Infertility
After two Clomid cycles, three injectable IUI cycles, two IVFs, two miscarriages, and one lap surgery, IVF #2 has brought us our little boy!
TTC #2
After months of being postponed or cancelled, FET #1.3 (Natural FET) brought us twin girls!
Can I be added to the list?
1st IVF, day 7 of stims.
Question of the day: If money weren't an issue, would you consider being a SAHW?
For the most part I am a SAHW. I do the bookkeeping for my own company, but other then that I stay at home. Most days I love being home, especially at this time of year. Winter get a little long and I do miss the camaraderie of working. If the right position becomes available and TTC fails, I will go back to work. Although I doubt I will ever work in my chosen field again.
Dx MFI, AMA, Endo, AMH .16
Lap 10/09 Removed endometrioma, stage IV endo and adhesions
Lap 2/10 Endometrioma cysts & adhesions returned.
Ivf #1 4/10 Antagonist, ET Cancelled.
IVF #2 2/11 A/ACP+E2V C/P
IVF #3 6/11 Letrozole/Antagonist BFN
IVF #4 11/11 Low stim Antagonist BFN
Lap 3/12 Lap & Selective HSG
Many cycles of Letrozole and LP HCG w/TI and LDN
IVF #5 8/12 Low stim BFN
IUI #1 10/12 BFN br> S&PAIFW
Good luck to everyone right now! There are tons of us cycling together and I really really hope we all get some great news!
Update: Next lining check is Friday- I am starting to feel better about things. Thanks to people reminding me that where I am at now is the best I have ever been thanks girls!
QOTD: SAHM -yes! SAHW- nope. I like being busy
Good Luck julianat!!!
QOTD: Absolutely.
Update: I have a phone consult with CCRM this afternoon. Hopefully they can help me decide whether I should remove my tubes or not.
Question of the day: If money weren?t an issue, would you consider being a SAHW?
Absolutely! But I'd want to volunteer whenever possible.
Update on me: Called today to see if we can start IVF #2 with next cycle. I'm hoping to start BCPs in the next couple of weeks and then have ER/ET in June.... we'll see!
Thanks Jlynn! Good luck and hugs all around!
TTC since August 2008
IVF#1: BFFN; IVF#2: BFN; FET with new RE: BFN
IVF#3: ER 1/15; ET 1/20; Beta#1 1/29: 339!
Twins girls born via c/s at 37w/3d!!
"Let it go, this too shall pass."
I'm so excited to be cycling with so many awesome ladies! You've all been great to me this past week and I"m so thankful!
Update-ET tomorrow...just hoping the embies make it! The RE says they're doing great, but I'm going to worry until they are back in me where they belong!
Since I took this week off to"rest," I'm bored out of my mind. I would definitely be a SAHM, but don't think I would enjoy being a SAHW.
QOTD: I don't think I could do it. I'd consider part-time or a career change, but not SAHW.
UPDATE: All 3 frozen embryos survived the thaw and were transferred on 4/17. Beta is 4/26. Eeek!
Good luck to everyone this week!!!
I'm sorry I haven't been around much, it's been extremely hectic at work. Which leads into....
QOTD: Would I be a SAHW? Ha, that thought heavily crossed my mind this morning when I was franctically rushing around trying to clean the house up before work. It would be so much easier to get everything done if I didn't work. Still, as much as I like to think I'd enjoy it, the times when I've been between jobs have been nice at first, but then I quickly get bored. I think I need the routine of work and the interaction. Plus I enjoy my job (even though I'm stressed about it right now).
QOTD: yes. i commute 2hrs to work and am so sick of it. so yes!
Good luck to all the cycling ladies~pulling for you all!
GL and hugs to all who need them!
I'm on day 4 of stimming. I have my first u/s tomorrow.
QOTD: I don't think I would be a SAHW. I wouldn't know what to do with myself. Plus, I like my job.
#1 12R, 7M, 5F - 2- 3dt BFN - 1 totsicle became our DD.
TTC#2 since 1/12
IVF #2 - 10R, 6M, 5F - 1 5dt of a morula= BFN none to freeze.
IVF #3 (blegh) Long Lupron Protocol
ER 8/23 12R, 7M, 2F - 2 beautiful 3d 8/26
+HPT 9/3 beta #1 9/10= 78.5 #2 9/12 = 136 #3 9/14 319 #4 9/17 890 #5 9/21 2119
Little B is where he needs to be. HB 9/24. no HB 10/3. Missed m/c @ 8w. D&C 10/5
IVF #4 - Antagonist Protocol
ER - 17R, 14M, 9F - 1 beautiful blast 12/13 (Our anniversary), 3 more FROZEN!! WOO HOO!
+HPT 12/17 beta #1 12/27 = 1654 (um hells to the yeah), beta #2 12/31 = 6994, 1st u/s= 1/8 (fingers firmly crossed) = HB 125. You rock little one.
Please, Please Stick. Mommy, Daddy and Big Sis love you so much.
Our Totsicle is getting so big!
My blog: Making Me Mom
QOTD: Yes, I would love being a SAHM.
UPDATE: 1st u/s tomorrow, we are very nervous
Hugs: to anyone who needs them
Question of the day: When we move to MI in June, I will be unemployed and since its a small town and my teaching license doesn't work there, I may be a SAHW for awhile. I'll let you know what i think of it
Financially, I won't be able to do it too long but it may be fun for awhile while I get settled in.
juliannat ? good luck!
Good luck to: KISSIES ? beta today
harley12 ? ET today
steveandkim2 ? ET tomorrow
Hugs to all of the girls who have had a rough week, I am so sorry!
Update: officially off BCP, trial transfer is complete, baseline is Thursday. If all goes well, stims start Friday
Hey girls :)No real update, just checking in since I haven't been here in a while.
DH has his (repeat) SA on 4-30. The first one, if you did not see my post ranting about it, was an unmitigated disaster.
Update: Beta results positive but much lower then they want them. It was 35.4 they said they like to see at least 100 at 12dpt. So second beta will be thursday. I didn't do general post because I didn't want to offend others that were upset about newbies posting their beta results from prior post. Thanks for the T&P!
QOTW: I'd love to be SAHM, unfortunately that will never happen, but not SAHW I think I'd spend too much money shopping if I had all that time off! )
Good Luck to everyone and hugs to those who need it!
Sorry - coming in a day late on this one - AWFUL migrane last night
Question of the day: If money weren?t an issue, would you consider being a SAHW? I'm not sure. There are days (like yesterday) when I would leave at the drop of a dime. And then other days I love what I do. I think "maybe" I would and do something part-time like be an aide or something??
Nestie(s) of the day: juliannat ? everything is crossed for you J
Good luck to: KISSIES ? beta today
harley12 ? ET today
steveandkim2 ? ET tomorrow
HUGS TO ALL WHO NEED THEM!
12/08 DX - irregular cycles - unexplained IF
2/09 - 4/09 - Clomid, TI
5/09 - 12/09 - 4 IUI
3/10 - 7/10 - 2 IVF
11/10 - Frozen Transfer
3/11 - Dx Insulin Resistant & Hypoglycemic - treating w/ Metformin & diet
Hi girlies!
I'm still technically between cycles but my lap is next week, then as soon as AF comes I should be starting BCPs around May 1. I am so excited to get going with IVF #3! Break cycles are the worst... I feel so unproductive.
Anyway, congrats to JennieMarie and ALL of the April BFPs!! I love seeing all of the good news. Big huge hugs to those who need them right now.
Now for the QOTD... I think ideally I would have a part-time job doing something I really love. I don't think full-time SAHM is really for me, but it would be nice to have a balance somehow with money coming in but lots of time with our LO